are we going to be active at trade week?

[retaliater]

will there be any trades? who is likely to be traded and for what type of player?

do you think we will be sounding out which former wa players might be looking to come home???? like we did with chick and stenglien
it all depends on where we finish on the ladder, but my tip is that staker and seaby will be offered around

[Judd*1]

we should
see what we can get for seaby and maybe some of the senior players

[karl0s]

i hope so

[Gunnar Longshanks]

We won't be active.

We never are.

[Cuzz09]

We won't be active.

We never are.

Agreed.

[Black Thunder]

We won't be active.

We never are.
agreed. we may do one or two trades (at most) but no more... and still quite likely we'll do none.

and if were active i don't think we should be initiating any trades. its clear in the past that the team looking to do the trading is the team that gets the worst deal.

trading seaby is a very very dangerous tactic. we should at least have given will sullivan (or a 2008 draftee) a year on the list 10 or so games and see what they can offer before that.

[Cuzz09]

Trade our priority pick (whatever no. it is) for Daniel Wells :thumbsu:

[Masten2McKinley]

i rekon they will try trade seabs and graham and maybe staker/rosa but i dont think so becasue the clkub rate them highley as do i

[Scotland]

I reckon there might be one or two bargains at this years trade week.

That being said, unless Kerr, Cox or Glass intends to grease up the club and aim for penetration, we won't be active.

[TurboHead]

Issues are - we need to free up at least 3 spots on the list. So if we trade we would mostly want just draft picks - and they would need to be high enough to use (considering we will possibly get 3 picks in the top 22).

So - who would we likely trade who would go for a pick better than 22?

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Trade our priority pick (whatever no. it is) for Daniel Wells :thumbsu:Ugh - that would piss me off.

I'll be happy if we move on some fringies like Graham and Armstrong for low picks.

I'd be interested in any maneouvres to then upgrade those picks. Let's say we have picks 2, 18, 20 and 36. It would be good if we could package pick 36 with a player for pick 25 or thereabouts.

Let's say we get pick 50 and pick 51 for Graham and Armstrong respectively. I'd be happy to package them with a player for pick 30-odd.

That's just an example of the kind of deals I hope we do. Three players/selections for one higher pick. They improve our draft position and create space on our list.

I want us to hoard draft picks and then load up on youth.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Issues are - we need to free up at least 3 spots on the list. So if we trade we would mostly want just draft picks - and they would need to be high enough to use (considering we will possibly get 3 picks in the top 22).

So - who would we likely trade who would go for a pick better than 22?Package a player and a pick for a better pick.

That creates space on our list.

Let's say we trade Arsmtrong and/or Graham.

We package one of them with pick 36 and try to get a pick in the top 30.

It improves our position and creates an extra spot.

That's just an example, I don't expect those guys to attract much interest.

[beatlesmith]

farren ray and JON interest me. Both would come relatively cheaply and could be exactly what we need. We should be focusing on draft picks though. Perhaps get lots of draft picks this year and then trade away a few next year when we have progressed and need a more immediate solution to problems. What about Kosi?? Big strong mobile athletic FF who could be a very good back up ruck meaning we could trade seaby. Cox rests on the bench, then one of Kosi and lynch goes in to the ruck and the other goes to FF. Kosi's value has gone down recently and we have enough $$$ to give him a good salary.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

What about Kosi?? Big strong mobile athletic FF who could be a very good back up ruck meaning we could trade seaby. Cox rests on the bench, then one of Kosi and lynch goes in to the ruck and the other goes to FF. Kosi's value has gone down recently and we have enough $$$ to give him a good salary.We'd be crazy to go after Koschitzke.

St. Kilda would want a second-round pick minimum and he's too injury prone to justify giving up that much.

[Black Thunder]

Issues are - we need to free up at least 3 spots on the list. So if we trade we would mostly want just draft picks - and they would need to be high enough to use (considering we will possibly get 3 picks in the top 22).

So - who would we likely trade who would go for a pick better than 22?

i'd say we'll actually have to free up more than 3 this year given we'll almost certainly promote Ryan Davis and Beau Wilkes.

we have 38 on our senior list, plus those two as likely promotions, plus Braun on the veteran list so there is a bit of clean up to do...

[Black Thunder]

Package a player and a pick for a better pick.

That creates space on our list.

Let's say we trade Arsmtrong and/or Graham.

We package one of them with pick 36 and try to get a pick in the top 30.

It improves our position and creates an extra spot.

That's just an example, I don't expect those guys to attract much interest.
i reckon thats the way to go.

keeps the player happy as well as he gets to continue his afl career.

[beatlesmith]

We'd be crazy to go after Koschitzke.

St. Kilda would want a second-round pick minimum and he's too injury prone to justify giving up that much.
i'd happily give up our second pick for him. Has played 11 out of 12 games this year and 19 last year, which seem to indicate his injury prone days are behind him. Is a better back up ruck option than seaby and is a better FF option than anyone we have. Is 25 so he would be peaking as we were getting to the top in 2010/11. Kosi FF, kennedy CHF, lynch roaming on the wing, and mckinley and lecras in the pockets is a damn good forward line.

[Crimson King]

Let's make a play for Houli.;)

[Gunnar Longshanks]

i'd happily give up our second pick for him. Has played 11 out of 12 games this year and 19 last year, which seem to indicate his injury prone days are behind him. Is a better back up ruck option than seaby and is a better FF option than anyone we have. Is 25 so he would be peaking as we were getting to the top in 2010/11. Kosi FF, kennedy CHF, lynch roaming on the wing, and mckinley and lecras in the pockets is a damn good forward line.You'd happily give up pick 20 for Koschitzke?

That's crazy.

He'll be 26 at the start of 2009.

We've drafted quite a bit of tall talent in recent years. I'd prefer to see what Brown and Notte can do before throwing draft picks at an injury-prone player like Kosi.

You want to play him at FF - he's never kicked more than 26 goals in a season. Pretty ambitious plan there.

We should be using our picks to rebuild our midfield. Throwing pick 20 at a middle-aged player with such a history of injury would be a silly move.

[Black Thunder]

You'd happily give up pick 20 for Koschitzke?

That's crazy.

He'll be 26 at the start of 2009.

We've drafted quite a bit of tall talent in recent years. I'd prefer to see what Brown and Notte can do before throwing draft picks at an injury-prone player like Kosi.

You want to play him at FF - he's never kicked more than 26 goals in a season. Pretty ambitious plan there.

We should be using our picks to rebuild our midfield. Throwing pick 20 at a middle-aged player with such a history of injury would be a silly move.
not to mention the saints wouldn't give up koschitze just for pick 20.

they'd still view him as an extremely talented player and given he was a number 1 or 2 pick (can't remember who was taken first of him and riewoldt, doesn't really matter) they'd feel very ripped off to see him leave for that.

and i wouldn't want him at the club, given as you've pointed out his long list of injuries that are unlikely to clear anytime soon.

[Eagle Ant]

Trade our priority pick (whatever no. it is) for Daniel Wells :thumbsu:
NO WAY! Firstly I dont think North would give him up for pick 18 they would want a fist rounder(remember he was No1) and secondly Idont think he is that great.
You'd happily give up pick 20 for Koschitzke?

That's crazy.

He'll be 26 at the start of 2009.

We've drafted quite a bit of tall talent in recent years. I'd prefer to see what Brown and Notte can do before throwing draft picks at an injury-prone player like Kosi.

You want to play him at FF - he's never kicked more than 26 goals in a season. Pretty ambitious plan there.

We should be using our picks to rebuild our midfield. Throwing pick 20 at a middle-aged player with such a history of injury would be a silly move.
Totally agree Gunner. We have enough KPP with the options we have.
Hansen, Kennedy, Brown, Lynch, Hunter, Notte, Staker, Spangher, Wilson, Cones and McKenzie are our KPP's and we cant fit them in now so how do you plan to fit Kozi in there?
Spangher, MacKenzie and Wilson are our future defenders with Wilkes.
Notte, Kennedy and Brown are our future Forwards with Lecras and Mckinley.

Chad Jones is a good fall guy if we get an injury and Hunter can play a veriety of roles and of course Lynchy can too.

So our KPP stocks are fine its the Midfielders we need to prop up a little with a genuine Line Breaker and we will find it in this draft.
Hopefully we get Rich and Yarren/DeBoar/Swift 1 of these 3 as they have great speed and agility, The rest will come with time. Remember a Bloke named Judd well he had questions over his kicking ability too but we fixed that. Moral is get the speedstar and the rest will fall into line.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

NO WAY! Firstly I dont think North would give him up for pick 18 they would want a fist rounder(remember he was No1) and secondly Idont think he is that great.

Totally agree Gunner. We have enough KPP with the options we have.
Hansen, Kennedy, Brown, Lynch, Hunter, Notte, Staker, Spangher, Wilson, Cones and McKenzie are our KPP's and we cant fit them in now so how do you plan to fit Kozi in there?
Spangher, MacKenzie and Wilson are our future defenders with Wilkes.
Notte, Kennedy and Brown are our future Forwards with Lecras and Mckinley.

Chad Jones is a good fall guy if we get an injury and Hunter can play a veriety of roles and of course Lynchy can too.
I agree that we have enough KPPs to not worry about trading for Koschitzke, but Chad Jones will probably be delisted at the end of the year.

[Eagle Ant]

I agree that we have enough KPPs to not worry about trading for Koschitzke, but Chad Jones will probably be delisted at the end of the year.
I dont know gunner. The way I look at it is we will probably get rid of :
Braun-retire, Graham-delist/trade, Army-delist, MacKenzie-Trade,
Nicoski-Trade, Wirra- Retire and Seaby-Trade.

So thats 7 do we really need to get rid of any more?
Macca and Nico are Longshots but stranger things have happened.:eek:

Contracted until the end of 2008 (12):
David Wirrpanda – Signed a 3-year deal (2006, 2007, 2008) in November 2005. (May offer him 1 year deal if he wants it)
Matt Rosa – Signed a 2-year deal (2007, 2008) in July 2006. [B]Will resign
Adam Selwood – Signed a 2-year deal (2007, 2008) in July 2006. Will Resign
Brent Staker – Signed a 2-year deal (2007, 2008) in July 2006. Possible Trade
Quinten Lynch – Signed a 2-year deal (2007, 2008) in August 2006. Will Resign
Steven Armstrong – Signed a 2-year deal (2007, 2008) when elevated. Delist
Ben McKinley - Signed a 1-year contract (2008) late 2007. Will resign in Process
Mitchell Brown - Compulsary 2-year contract (2007, 2008) when drafted. Will Resign in process now.
Will Schofield - Compulsary 2-year contract (2007, 2008) when drafted. Will Resign in process now.
Eric Mackenzie - Compulsary 2-year contract (2007, 2008) when drafted. Will Resign in process now.
Tim Houlihan - Compulsary 2-year contract (2007, 2008) when drafted. Will Resign in process now.
James Thomson - Compulsary 2-year contract (2007, 2008) when drafted. Delist to rookie list and Elevate Ryan Davis

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I dont know gunner. The way I look at it is we will probably get rid of :
Braun-retire, Graham-delist/trade, Army-delist, MacKenzie-Trade,
Nicoski-Trade, Wirra- Retire and Seaby-Trade.

So thats 7 do we really need to get rid of any more?
Macca and Nico are Longshots but stranger things have happened.:eek:
Three points.

1) There's a fair bit of guesswork there. Mackenzie, Nicoski and Seaby are no certainties to be traded. Far from it.

2) I'm not really sure how our trading, which we will probably do fairly little of, makes us more or less likely to retain Cones. If we trade the guys you've highlighted we presumably get something in return - a player who takes their spot, or a pick we use on a player who takes their spot. So trading them doesn't necessarily create any space on our list.

3) Cones might not get delisted, but he's 24 and can't get a game. Seems like there's a few in front of him at the moment. It's not about needing to get rid of a certain number of players. It's about keeping guys who have a role.

[wce_all_da_way]

To be fair to Cones, he is out injured and was in the team before he got injured.

I agree with Gunnar though that we won't be active unless a player is looking to come to us like Stenglein and Chick were.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

To be fair to Cones, he is out injured and was in the team before he got injured.Is he best 25?

Is he likely to cement a spot as a key forward in the next 2-3 years?

He's 24 - is he going to miraculously develop into a 60-goal-a-year FF?

Maybe we'll keep him on the list for another year, but I can't see how he's going to play much part in our push back up the ladder.

We're a developing side. We're going to invest in youth. That means turning the list over aggressively and using our draft picks. That means you don't hang onto 24-year-olds who remain unproven at AFL level.

[Black Thunder]

i'd be very suprised if Jones is kept on beyond his current contract. when does it expire??

At 24 years of age you'd wanna have done more than he has really.

[OnePunch]

I laugh at how people come up with all these scenarios about offloading players that we don't want cause, well lets face it they are not good enough and think we can get something good in return. If we realise they are no good, I think it is pretty safe to assume afl coaches and recruiting officers are aware of this.

[lloydbraun]

I laugh at how people come up with all these scenarios about offloading players that we don't want cause, well lets face it they are not good enough and think we can get something good in return. If we realise they are no good, I think it is pretty safe to assume afl coaches and recruiting officers are aware of this.


Obviously you've never seen the Dockers trade.

[Embers]

We won't be active.

We never are.

We have also never had this enormous salary cap room and we have never had this poor of a season.

I think a trade or two will occur. Its well known we chased Scott Gumbleton before he re-signed with Bombers. Im sure there will be someone else on our radar.

[sydney eagle]

It would not surprise me if there are very few trades actually done in the upcoming draft; and those that ARE done will be very one sided. I think that teams will want to hold onto their picks because, for the following few years, the new teams coming into the competition will collect the early draft picks.

[bzparkes]

A lot of those players people are talking about de-listing are contracted to the end of '09, Chad Jones and Jaymie Graham for example. I didn't think you could actually de-list a player while under contract?

[Tuffy71]

Trade our priority pick (whatever no. it is) for Daniel Wells :thumbsu:he has stated on many occasions he doesn't want to play football outside of Victoria. Anyway with the talent in this years draft we shouldn't trade any of our top 2 or 3 picks.

[Swooper Eagle]

will there be any trades? who is likely to be traded and for what type of player?

do you think we will be sounding out which former wa players might be looking to come home???? like we did with chick and stenglien
it all depends on where we finish on the ladder, but my tip is that staker and seaby will be offered around

We need to bring home a couple of solid WA citizens. I know we did this with Chick, and (premiership notwithstanding:D) it backfired big time:thumbsd:!!!

But if we could get Joel Corey to come back, that would be huge, on and off the field. Premier ball winner, premiership experience, strong presence, geat club man. Simon Black won't leave the Lions, so don't bother, but Dom Casissi would also be worth looking at.

As a higher risk proposition, Farren Ray could be handy if the Bulldogs were keen to offload him. The open space of Subi would suit him.

[Masten2McKinley]

i'd say we'll actually have to free up more than 3 this year given we'll almost certainly promote Ryan Davis and Beau Wilkes.

we have 38 on our senior list, plus those two as likely promotions, plus Braun on the veteran list so there is a bit of clean up to do...

Braun to retire
Wirra might (hope not, playing some great footy)

[bzparkes]

We need to bring home a couple of solid WA citizens. I know we did this with Chick, and (premiership notwithstanding:D) it backfired big time:thumbsd:!!!

But if we could get Joel Corey to come back, that would be huge, on and off the field. Premier ball winner, premiership experience, strong presence, geat club man. Simon Black won't leave the Lions, so don't bother, but Dom Casissi would also be worth looking at.

As a higher risk proposition, Farren Ray could be handy if the Bulldogs were keen to offload him. The open space of Subi would suit him.


Corey just Re-sign with Geelong so I doubt he'll have any interest in returning to WA.

[zero]

this year is an unusal one in that we will attempt to poach out of contract west australians with our high PSD pick and salary cap space, but other than that the only players that will be traded are those that asked to be traded or ones that we would delist and we can find a home for, same as usual.

[Auric Goldfinger]

i would hate wells or cassisi at west coast. wells is just lazy and unfit for mine and cassisi, well he is just crap. although i would swap jamie graham for either ;)

[Alphanumeric]

farren ray and JON interest me. Both would come relatively cheaply and could be exactly what we need. We should be focusing on draft picks though. Perhaps get lots of draft picks this year and then trade away a few next year when we have progressed and need a more immediate solution to problems. What about Kosi?? Big strong mobile athletic FF who could be a very good back up ruck meaning we could trade seaby. Cox rests on the bench, then one of Kosi and lynch goes in to the ruck and the other goes to FF. Kosi's value has gone down recently and we have enough $$$ to give him a good salary.

Jarred Oakley-Nichols is one of the worst footballers running around the AFL.

We don't need Farren Ray and Justin Koschitzke is always injured.

I agree with Gunnar; we need to load up on young kids.

We will only trade if Rosa wants to go back to Melbourne or if one of our fringe players like Graham, Armstrong wants a shot at another club or a bloke from another club wants to come back to Perth.

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

History generally shows that we don't do a lot of trading and I'm almost certain that it's one reason we're a strong club, but I suspect that this year will be different for a few reasons.

Firstly, we're in our first full on rebuild with Woosha. Maybe he's going to get rid of the guys who aren't going to take us anywhere?

Secondly (I think this is what most of us are forgetting) we have a few players on our list who may not want to be here.

[Kennedy_17]

everyone seems to be forgetting the ridiculous amount of room we have in our salary cap, kerry will take some of that but not much i would say
i say we are active in trade period and i also reckon there will be some surprises in the off season in regards to players being traded, delisted and player arriving.

in the mean time ill start working on my little bro over to convince palmer to come across at the end of next season :p

[r dub 19]

i hope we are active.


braun-retire
armstrong-trade/delist
graham-trade
hansen trade
staker-trade
chad jones- 1yr extension/trade
Seaby-trade
I think teams are only allowed 5 players to be traded out. We should use our trades to try get rich,yarran and de boer. Unfortunately they will all probably be top 10. Not many people speak of De boer but he does very well in the WAFL and gets more posseions than rich by 7-8. We should also try snatch warnock( unlikely).

[Obeanie1]

What is interesting is that if we finish 15th we would have pick 2 in the PSD. Melbourne are looking keen on Warnock and may have their PSD Pick #1 with his name penciled in next to it.

So this situation puts us in a very very good position to draft an uncontracted player and pay very little for them. We have some big $$$ in our cap and an opportunity with a very low PSD pick, this does not and will not happen again for a very long time.

So what out of contract player do we chase?

Its been discussed on another thread but Prismal is one who fits our needs. Looks like quality and has some size about him.:thumbsu:

[Selgae]

i hope we are active.


braun-retire
armstrong-trade/delist
graham-trade
hansen trade
staker-trade
chad jones- 1yr extension/trade
Seaby-trade
I think teams are only allowed 5 players to be traded out. We should use our trades to try get rich,yarran and de boer. Unfortunately they will all probably be top 10. Not many people speak of De boer but he does very well in the WAFL and gets more posseions than rich by 7-8. We should also try snatch warnock( unlikely).

Hansen has signed for 3 years very unlikely he will be traded unless another club is super keen to sign him up for 3 years...

[Gunnar Longshanks]

We have also never had this enormous salary cap room and we have never had this poor of a season.

I think a trade or two will occur. Its well known we chased Scott Gumbleton before he re-signed with Bombers. Im sure there will be someone else on our radar.Also, I'd expect us to hang onto our first three picks.

Surely.

So who are we going to get if we do that?

[Gunnar Longshanks]

History generally shows that we don't do a lot of trading and I'm almost certain that it's one reason we're a strong club, but I suspect that this year will be different for a few reasons.

Firstly, we're in our first full on rebuild with Woosha. Maybe he's going to get rid of the guys who aren't going to take us anywhere?

Secondly (I think this is what most of us are forgetting) we have a few players on our list who may not want to be here.The fact we're rebuilding suggests we will hang onto our first three draft picks, doesn't it?

If you take picks 3, 18 and 20 off the table, what do we really have that is going to get other clubs interested?

Beyond the players who we won't even think about trading, I don't think we have a great deal of bait.

I just can't imagine us finding many trades that suit us. Trade some fringies who want out and try to package them with picks to improve our draft position.

But I reckon that will be the extent of it.

[MAG87]

Let's make a play for Houli.;)

lol houli would NEVER move here. got a very large family and friend base in melbourne. but we all like to dream. houlis a gun.

[MAG87]

Corey just Re-sign with Geelong so I doubt he'll have any interest in returning to WA.

wheres the source for that? havent heard anything.

[Vigour]

... We don't need Farren Ray ....

don't agree with this?

consider that Ray is:

skilled /talented;
running midfielder;
still developing;
from WA;
but can't get a regular game with the Doggies.

for the right deal (not first round draft selection), he'd be a good p.u.

[bigburger]

With our current situation i hope we aren't unless we are trading for low draft picks.

[Embers]

Also, I'd expect us to hang onto our first three picks.

Surely.

So who are we going to get if we do that?

Surely.... Based on what. If we get a PP package it with a player and get a good youngster in

I think we should chase Mitch Thorp from Hawthorn. Pick 18 + something else. Hes out of contract and really has a mountain to climb if hes to get a game. The type of under utilized player we should go after. Signing top 10 players in the comp isnt something we should do.

Young fringe players in other words. Mitch Thorp (Hawks, Adam Thomson (Port), Goldstein (north), Harbrow (doggies). Good young players who wouldnt cost a arm anfd leg except for Thorp

[Embers]

The fact we're rebuilding suggests we will hang onto our first three draft picks, doesn't it?

If you take picks 3, 18 and 20 off the table, what do we really have that is going to get other clubs interested?

Beyond the players who we won't even think about trading, I don't think we have a great deal of bait.

I just can't imagine us finding many trades that suit us. Trade some fringies who want out and try to package them with picks to improve our draft position.

But I reckon that will be the extent of it.

We have already rebuilt. We have turned over more then half of our list in 3 years. If we rebuild anymore we are just going to be delisting players we drafted a few years ago. How many more youngster do you want?

[retaliater]

i dont think we need to worry about KPP remember that Brown will be back next year, i think that we should be looking for an experienced midfielder and a defender

[Gunnar Longshanks]

We have already rebuilt. We have turned over more then half of our list in 3 years. If we rebuild anymore we are just going to be delisting players we drafted a few years ago. How many more youngster do you want?I want to use our top three draft picks on top drawer kids.

There is still some dead wood for us to get rid off.

[Embers]

I want to use our top three draft picks on top drawer kids.

There is still some dead wood for us to get rid off.

Mitch Thorp is a top drawer kid. As is Adam Thomson and Todd Goldstein. They have just had the 2 years to develop and mature. Give them better contracts. Promise them some football. Make PSD threats (for Thomson and Goldstein) and get them on the cheap. Pick 18 + McKenzie for Thorp would be a steal. :thumbsu::)

[retaliater]

I want to use our top three draft picks on top drawer kids.

There is still some dead wood for us to get rid off.
name names

[Gunnar Longshanks]

name namesDead wood?

I think it's pretty clear that Graham and Armstrong will be moved on.

Chad Jones as well.

Fletcher is hanging on by a thread. We'll probably give him one more year as our developing midfielders are still too green.

Wirrapanda and Braun to perhaps retire. Not dead wood, but extra spaces.

From there, I'd be interested to know what we could get for Staker and/or Seaby.

I'm not saying we should trade them for a sack of magic beans, but I'd like to know what other clubs would offer. If we packaged one of these players with pick 36, what kind of pick could we get in return?

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Mitch Thorp is a top drawer kid. As is Adam Thomson and Todd Goldstein. They have just had the 2 years to develop and mature. Give them better contracts. Promise them some football. Make PSD threats (for Thomson and Goldstein) and get them on the cheap. Pick 18 + McKenzie for Thorp would be a steal. :thumbsu::)I don't know a great deal about Thorp.

Why do you think that would be a steal?

[Embers]

I don't know a great deal about Thorp.

Why do you think that would be a steal?

He was a top 5 pick. Plays both sides of the ground and is a good young KPP forward. Has had a few injury problems but once we get him over them and he plays (hes had a few AFL games) hes gonna be a very good 50 goal per year player. On the same level as Gumbleton IMO.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

He was a top 5 pick. Plays both sides of the ground and is a good young KPP forward. Has had a few injury problems but once we get him over them and he plays (hes had a few AFL games) hes gonna be a very good 50 goal per year player. On the same level as Gumbleton IMO.Yeah, maybe.

Are key forwards really the area we should be targetting?

Thorp went pick 6 so you'd expect him to be handy. And you're right - he won't be playing at Hawthorn anytime soon.

I just wonder what we'd have to give up to get him.

[Embers]

Yeah, maybe.

Are key forwards really the area we should be targetting?

Thorp went pick 6 so you'd expect him to be handy. And you're right - he won't be playing at Hawthorn anytime soon.

I just wonder what we'd have to give up to get him.

A defender, a pick and a some hard bargaining. Hawthorn can afford to resign him with ease. We need to offer him footy and hope he chooses that.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

A defender, a pick and a some hard bargaining. Hawthorn can afford to resign him with ease. We need to offer him footy and hope he chooses that.http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456275

[Embers]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456275

Hes got to be unsettled playing out of position at CHB. Its just getting in his ear. I think they would accept Pick 18 + McKenzie and a upgrade of there third rounder for ours.

Hes a cocky bloke who knows hes better then reserves footy from what I heard. Essendon are in his ear...

[Kempie]

Package a player and a pick for a better pick.

That creates space on our list.

That's obviously the best plan, but I suspect all clubs will be trying to do exactly the same thing - offload fringe players for better picks.

We really don't have much to off-load that anyone wants, with the possible exception of Seaby. Someone might want a half-decent ruckman ? I don't think anyone really wants Army or Graham.

I don't see much trading going on, but I do see quite a bit of de-listing, sad as it is.

[MAG87]

kyle reimers or chris johnson anyone?

[15_year_member]

The fact we're rebuilding suggests we will hang onto our first three draft picks, doesn't it?

If you take picks 3, 18 and 20 off the table, what do we really have that is going to get other clubs interested?

Beyond the players who we won't even think about trading, I don't think we have a great deal of bait.

I just can't imagine us finding many trades that suit us. Trade some fringies who want out and try to package them with picks to improve our draft position.

But I reckon that will be the extent of it.

I know what you are saying but don't be too pesimistic. You can sometimes get something of value in return for players that don't mean much to you anymore. I have often been amazed at the trades that other clubs sometimes do in trade week and how much they are sometimes prepared to cough up for seemingly middle-of-the-road players from other clubs. We should try and do the best sales pitch we can.

[Alphanumeric]

don't agree with this?

consider that Ray is:

skilled /talented;
running midfielder;
still developing;
from WA;
but can't get a regular game with the Doggies.

for the right deal (not first round draft selection), he'd be a good p.u.

Yeah but we already have a bunch of players like that.

Don't get me wrong he is going to be a good player, but I think we already have to many players of his size and type.

Maybe we could trade Rosa for him??

[Obeanie1]

Surely.... Based on what. If we get a PP package it with a player and get a good youngster in

I think we should chase Mitch Thorp from Hawthorn. Pick 18 + something else. Hes out of contract and really has a mountain to climb if hes to get a game. The type of under utilized player we should go after. Signing top 10 players in the comp isnt something we should do.

Young fringe players in other words. Mitch Thorp (Hawks, Adam Thomson (Port), Goldstein (north), Harbrow (doggies). Good young players who wouldnt cost a arm anfd leg except for Thorp

No way we would need to give up pick 18, remember this years draft is alleged to be a super draft so compared to previous drafts take 5-8 off the pick your offering 18 = pick 10-13 in previous years.

Remember we may well have PSD Pick 2 or 3 and lots of $$$$$. We have serious leverage to drive a hard bargain. The low PSD pick can only help us in getting a quality player, I don't believe we can trade it.

Our third round pick is the lowest we would offer up and also add a player such as Graham. Pick 36 + Graham for player X(Thorp). Take it or we take him in the PSD.

Melbourne will use theirs to snag a player IMO, Warnock is the most likely.

We need a list of out of contract players (mids) and work out who the club would be next on their list if Gumbelton and Corey have re-signed.

[beatlesmith]

i'm not sure hawthorn would want mackenzie because they are about to hit their peak and mackenzie won't be ready enough to hold doen a KP defensive position. I think they would be interested in hunter as he would provide anothe KP defender who is ready, is at the peak of their career and whose rebounding style matches hawthorn well. Hunter would allow campbell brown to move on to medium sized forwards which he is far more accustomed to. I wouldn't be against trading hunter. Develop m.Brown as a gorilla FF and fast track notte and we will be covered up forward. Spangher and WIlkes can cover the CHB post aswell. We would open up more salary cap money which allows us to afford the increasing young talents and avoid a Gold Coast purge. Hunter+pick 36 for thorp?? Might have to change 36 to 20 if they rejected it.

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

The fact we're rebuilding suggests we will hang onto our first three draft picks, doesn't it?

If you take picks 3, 18 and 20 off the table, what do we really have that is going to get other clubs interested?

Beyond the players who we won't even think about trading, I don't think we have a great deal of bait.

I just can't imagine us finding many trades that suit us. Trade some fringies who want out and try to package them with picks to improve our draft position.

But I reckon that will be the extent of it.

Of course if we were going to move on some disappointing players we wouldn't just offer them straight up. Pick 50 would be no good to us if we already had picks 2, 18, 20 and 36. Obviously in that case a pick upgrade trade is what would happen.

What most people are missing though is the chance of guys like Brown or McKinley asking for a trade. If that happened we'd be in overdrive trying to swing a decent deal.

[PsyDuck]

Don't trade Mckenzie he is beeing groomed in the WAFL to be the next Glass but with better skills. The people that should be traded are Seaby, Graham, Rosa, Lynch and Kerr if he wants to go. This year is the most important year to have picks in the Draft as the Next 4 years will be useless due to the GC and NSW teams. We should be looking to have 5 picks inside the top 25-30. This will set us up well, provided we trade well for a tilt at the 2010/11 premierships as it will give our young keyforwards a chance to mature and the young mids more games/confidence. Spangher is not the answer to CHB either, Mitchell Brown should be trained to hold down that position in the next few years. We should also be tanking the rest of this season as there is nothing to gain from winning another game. There is potentially Natanui or Rich to gain from losing them all.

[Obeanie1]

We should tank and lose all the remaining games:eek:

How about we knock off Geelong and the Hawks at Subi and show the young fella's what it feels like to beat good sides.

Then win 4 games for the year and go shopping:p.

Lets be honest, we'r only gonna get PP18 or 19 by winning less than 5 games, its one pick, its not that important in the whole scheme of things so I think the benefit of building a winning culture far outweight the benefit of PP19 in the 2008 draft.

Now a PP1 is where it starts getting tempting and the system needs to change.

[Bones#38]

Are we going to try and get Joel Corey? or has he resigned with Geelong?

[beatlesmith]

Don't trade Mckenzie he is beeing groomed in the WAFL to be the next Glass but with better skills. The people that should be traded are Seaby, Graham, Rosa, Lynch and Kerr if he wants to go. This year is the most important year to have picks in the Draft as the Next 4 years will be useless due to the GC and NSW teams. We should be looking to have 5 picks inside the top 25-30. This will set us up well, provided we trade well for a tilt at the 2010/11 premierships as it will give our young keyforwards a chance to mature and the young mids more games/confidence. Spangher is not the answer to CHB either, Mitchell Brown should be trained to hold down that position in the next few years. We should also be tanking the rest of this season as there is nothing to gain from winning another game. There is potentially Natanui or Rich to gain from losing them all.
a couple of things. Firstly, mackenzie is nothing like glass. Mackenzie plays loose and offers alot of rebound down the wings. He plays 3rd tall, and would be in the BP or HBF, not FB. Secondly, why is spangher not the answer at CHB??? The kid did very well and offers alot of rebound at CHB. I think Wilkes will turn out to be our CHB with Spangher as the third tall in defence. IMO, Mitch Brown would be far more useful as a gorilla FF, as he has the strength and athleticism to match it with the big boys, but just needs to work on contested marking and goalkicking. It suits him alot more than CHB and we have plenty of young promising options at CHB anyway. Lynch should not be traded, he has played really well this season and those who expect him to kick lots of goals are misguided as the stay at home FF role does not suit him and is far more adept as a CHF/Wingman. Could be really dangerous in the richo role.

[88mph]

I think Seaby could be traded.

He is only getting a game for 1 of 2 reasons:

1. We are 'List Managing' and trying to get some form into him.

2. We are 'List Managing' and trying to get some form into him - to increase his trade value.

[sydney eagle]

I think Seaby could be traded.

He is only getting a game for 1 of 2 reasons:

1. We are 'List Managing' and trying to get some form into him.

2. We are 'List Managing' and trying to get some form into him - to increase his trade value. Who do you suggest we play in the ruck in that case ? One of our problems this year is that Cox has been carrying an injury and has been less effective, forcing us to use Lynch in the ruck. Now, if we had a fit Centre Half Forward (all three of the logical choices, Hansen, Kennedy and Brown have been injured for periods this season), we might be able to play Lynch as a ruckman/forward on a regular basis while waiting for Sullivan to develop but, at the moment trading Seaby could be risky. Unless, of course, we can pick up a ruck prospect in the draft next year so that he could be traded the year after (to Gold Coast ?)

[Prem87]

If Lucas doesnt get what he wants from Essendon I would be keen to getting him at WC. We could trade someone like Graham for him or get him for free in the PSD - Pick 2. Thoughts?

[Goldfish]

If Lucas doesnt get what he wants from Essendon I would be keen to getting him at WC. We could trade someone like Graham for him or get him for free in the PSD - Pick 2. Thoughts?
He's getting on a bit and I'm not too sure he would still be around when we are next going to be pushing for a premiership... Besides, although he's good he only really seems to tear us apart more often than not, so if he plays for us... ;)

[Obeanie1]

If Lucas doesnt get what he wants from Essendon I would be keen to getting him at WC. We could trade someone like Graham for him or get him for free in the PSD - Pick 2. Thoughts?

Lucas is what 29 or 30?

He's a gun CHF, so we pick him up and play Keddedy at FF?

I think Lucas would be outside our window, better for him to go to Adelaide, North, Brisbane, Collingwood or the Dogs who are close to cracking it.

We should use our PSD Pick two on a Prismall or other younger mid with potential. Maybe Swallow at North (Definately a big Eagles fan but may have other issues).

[Selgae]

If Lucas doesnt get what he wants from Essendon I would be keen to getting him at WC. We could trade someone like Graham for him or get him for free in the PSD - Pick 2. Thoughts?

I wouldn't because:

1. He probbaly only play for a couple of years and we may do slightly better and get crappier draft picks then he retires and we are left with our crappier picks.

2. He plays at CHF and one of Hansen, Kennedy or Brown can't play and we lose them or they don't develop and either way we miss out on what could be 10 or so good years of service..

i wouldn't trade or draft any player that is not going to be in your next premiership plans.. there is no point... Although it may sound it, this does not extend to older players in our list .. ie not playing Fletcher/ Braun/ Wirra anymore... Thankfully football hasn't come to that yet..

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Like people have said he doesn't fit in with us but I'd love it if we could get him in the PSD just to piss off the scum.

Sure, he'd take a valuable spot on the list but at least the bums wouldn't get anything for him.

[Selgae]

Lucas is what 29 or 30?

He's a gun CHF, so we pick him up and play Keddedy at FF?

I think Lucas would be outside our window, better for him to go to Adelaide, North, Brisbane, Collingwood or the Dogs who are close to cracking it.

We should use our PSD Pick two on a Prismall or other younger mid with potential. Maybe Swallow at North (Definately a big Eagles fan but may have other issues).

What sort of other issues?

[Gunnar Longshanks]

If Lucas doesnt get what he wants from Essendon I would be keen to getting him at WC. We could trade someone like Graham for him or get him for free in the PSD - Pick 2. Thoughts?Graham for Lucas?

That's a joke, right?

Are we going to become like every other cellar-dwelling club, whose supporters believe they can target any player in the comp and then persuade him to shaft his club and go in the PSD?

[Obeanie1]

Graham for Lucas?

That's a joke, right?

Are we going to become like every other cellar-dwelling club, whose supporters believe they can target any player in the comp and then persuade him to shaft his club and go in the PSD?

Correct. The PSD threat only works when a player nominates he wants us and feels hard done by by his current club. Lucas doesn't strike me as someone who would shaft Essendon.

I think we could get a player like Swallow from North, I understand he was a very keen Eagles fan and hasn't seen much league action this year, he has been injured though, an ankle I recall.

Cant really think of any youngish ex WA players who may want to come home who may be disgruntled.

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Correct. The PSD threat only works when a player nominates he wants us and feels hard done by by his current club. Lucas doesn't strike me as someone who would shaft Essendon.

I think we could get a player like Swallow from North, I understand he was a very keen Eagles fan and hasn't seen much league action this year, he has been injured though, an ankle I recall.

Cant really think of any youngish ex WA players who may want to come home who may be disgruntled.

Getting a player like Swallow for free would be pretty awesome. I don't think we'll have that luck.

[WCE57]

In light of Saints dropping Dal Santo, what about him?

Yes, he is very much a down hill skier but he has supreme skills?And if he wants out of the Saints, could come cheap.

Anyway, just throwing his name up.

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Yes, he is very much a down hill skier but he has supreme skills?And if he wants out of the Saints, could come cheap.

Could come cheap but wont, hence he'll be Saint next year or the Saints will be picking in the top 5.

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Come on folks, it's highly unlikely we're going to chase down a big name player in trade week.

Sure, it's fun to imagine our side with Lucas or Dal Santo or whoever introduced, but it's not going to happen.

[beatlesmith]

ive been saying this for a while now. IS out of favour and may struggle to get back in to the team, so why not? He has superb kicking, especially to leading forwards which is a huge defecit of ours. Maybe pick 18 plus staker?

[Prem87]

ive been saying this for a while now. IS out of favour and may struggle to get back in to the team, so why not? He has superb kicking, especially to leading forwards which is a huge defecit of ours. Maybe pick 18 plus staker?

I would prefer we drafted a younger player like Swift with Pick 18.

[Nishmann]

I would prefer we drafted a younger player like Swift with Pick 18.

Id say we would be lucky to get Swift with pick 18, however, i do agree with you. I think we can see from the dockers that recruiting Old essendon players isnt the way to go...its all about youth with some good experienced players which we have.

I would love to see the Eagles with Rich at pick 2 and then hopefully one of Swift, Yarran or Deboer with pick 18.

As for Prismall, if he goes in PSD i would like to see him at the eagles