View Full Version : Nathan Jones the next captain??
MustonMagic17
17 Jun 2008, 16:35
From an outsiders point of view I would like to see Nathan Jones as the next captain. I think he is a better player then Brock and puts his body on the line every contest!! Thoughts??
Keithy George
17 Jun 2008, 16:41
Perhaps down the line. Still needs to establish consistency
Brad Green should be captain now, no question.
McLean_4_Captain
17 Jun 2008, 17:02
Perhaps down the line. Still needs to establish consistency
Brad Green should be captain now, no question.
There is plethora of question
MustonMagic17
17 Jun 2008, 17:06
I watch the dees regularly and Jones is by far your best player, better the green and put his body in at every single contest, he gets them going in the middle and looks a born leader!!
deeswant13
17 Jun 2008, 17:19
The way Brad Miller has been playing this year I wouldn't be shocked if he was in with a chance for the captaincy. We all have heard about his leadership qualities and now woth him establishing himself as a very good player.
he is a great player definitely, but mclean is better and by a long way. He is more consistent than Jones and has far better foot skills.
McLean_4_Captain
17 Jun 2008, 17:27
I watch the dees regularly and Jones is by far your best player, better the green and put his body in at every single contest, he gets them going in the middle and looks a born leader!!
If we didn't need a captain for 2-3 years then Jonesy would be in major contention.
But we need a captain now, i know they won't be appointed until next season, but they are being chosen on their leadership in between when Neitz finished and the end of the year. If you've been watching melbourne lately, you'd notice that jones has been starting off the bench quite a bit. This is Bails trying to protect him from a tag, which you can't have from a captain.
McLean has been our most consistent performer all year, averaging over 25 touches. Tagging or being tagged, good games and bad, McLean would've been in our best probably 10 times already this year. Green seems to be stepping up for the role, but i don't think he's right for the role. He has barely shown a skerrick of leadership before this year, at 27 he's left his push too late for mine.
Bruce is too old and miller just isn't a good enough player.
I like Jones and he looks like he could be a captain, but to be made captain he needs to be old enough to be past things like being able to shake a tag, etc. and he just isn't yet. McLean is
eliasd82
17 Jun 2008, 17:33
I love Jones, but McLean is ahead on footskills and consistency. He can beat a heavy tag as well. Brad Green should be captain at the moment.
puckled
17 Jun 2008, 17:58
i love jonesy too... by far my favourite player... i'd have his children... but although he leads well by example he needs some serious media training before he gets the captaincy... cos when he was on the footy show he was barely able to mumble out a few words
ExTasDeeMan
17 Jun 2008, 18:02
The captain doesn't have to be the best player remember, they are players who have inspirational qualities - Green has shown lots of inspiration this year, JMc, hasn't.
Give it to Green for 2 years, then give it off to Brock. Jones is good, but not a captain (yet).
cannons
17 Jun 2008, 18:56
I think Green is the man, at least for now anyway. He is well-respected at the club and seems to be a good speaker and motivator.
To give it to McLean at this point, given his transgressions, would not be a wise message to send to the squad. That's why I think Green is the man for now. It gives our young players some time to prove themselves until he retires/hands over captaincy after a few years.
master bate
17 Jun 2008, 20:46
Has to come down to Green v McLean, both are capable off the field (and I'm pretty confident we wont have to worry about any more off field stuff with Brock), both are reliable players and both give good enough leadership on field. If they go with Green it will give Jones and several other players more time to become captain worthy.
Bartram_Class
17 Jun 2008, 20:59
McLean.
I like Green, but his time has passed. New generation, give it to a youngster.
Flashhh
17 Jun 2008, 21:08
a few years off yet.
Brock McLean should get it but wont. Green/Bruce for 2-3 then Brock or Jonesy.
Tommyneu
17 Jun 2008, 21:16
I'd say that Bailey will give it to McLean as early as next year. Has displayed on-field leadership all year and being booted from the leadership group has really seemed to impact on his behaviour both on and off field. Especially if Green or Bruce are to be used as trade bait, Brock seems the only one fit for the job.
MustonMagic17
17 Jun 2008, 22:15
Thanks for the comments guys I was just super impressed with this kid from when I saw him in the TAC cup grand final and was a bargin at pick 12!! The situation reminds me of the Vandernberg Hodge situation at the hawks when Crawf stood down (except Hodge was clearly the better of the 2) I think the best person should be choosen even if they have to grow into the role, now Hodge has missed his chance for the forseable future, and if you ask 9/10 hawks supporters who they think the captain should be they would say Luke.
Little bit off topic but this is where Essendon went wrong by not selecting Hardwick as their coach. He was honest and said the club needed to be built and Knights lied and said they could play finals, they should've gone with the one who could grow into a great coach!
I think the dees should do the same here, go with the guy he oozes captain!!
master bate
17 Jun 2008, 22:39
Thanks for the comments guys I was just super impressed with this kid from when I saw him in the TAC cup grand final and was a bargin at pick 12!! The situation reminds me of the Vandernberg Hodge situation at the hawks when Crawf stood down (except Hodge was clearly the better of the 2) I think the best person should be choosen even if they have to grow into the role, now Hodge has missed his chance for the forseable future, and if you ask 9/10 hawks supporters who they think the captain should be they would say Luke.
I think the dees should do the same here, go with the guy he oozes captain!!But the other side of that argument is that Vandenberg was the perfect fit for captain whilst you were losing and then after a few years when you are on the way up Hodge could have taken over (but they went with Mitchell). So we go with Green then have McLean v Jones (or Bartram or Grimes etc) in a couple of years, when both will still be young enough to captain the club for 5-10 years. That said I don't think we will want to be down for too long, I think we already have a good core of under 24 players and so will want to come back up again after 2 years down the bottom (maybe finish around 10th building for a flag in 2012), especially with there being not much on offer in the draft.
melbourne150
18 Jun 2008, 01:05
I would love Jonsey to be captain, But i just can't see it happening(ATM).
But he better be in the leadership group next year!!
he is a great player definitely, but mclean is better and by a long way. He is more consistent than Jones and has far better foot skills.
Agree, Mclean is the man for the job has shown fantastic form this year and leadership. For the record Green was not even voted in the leadership group for this year!
demon g
18 Jun 2008, 15:03
McLean for mine definately.
Jones is a great player on the field and does all the hard stuff that you need from a captain but at the moment hes a few steps off being able to handle the off field stuff. Anyone see him on the footy show bout amonth or two ago??? Obviously still a kid..bit out of his depth but that will come.
Supermercado
19 Jun 2008, 17:10
If he didn't neck himself every fifteen minutes I'd suggest Rivers.
If he didn't neck himself every fifteen minutes I'd suggest Rivers.
It would be great if that was possible but I think he needs to spend the rest of his life in cotton wool.
melbournemartin
20 Jun 2008, 19:03
McLean is the man. Jones can eventually be the stand alone VC and together they can rule the galaxy....I mean dominate the AFL.
Brad Green! If he gets the captaincy ill eat my hat...it would be typical melbourne im afraid...he's soft and isnt a leaders arse hole...there is a reason he isnt in the leadership group.
Brock for captain, lets get serious, the guys got it, and the fact he did donuts in the carpark only increases his chances in my book. Too safe dees, must move foward with a purpose. Young, tough captain that isnt a pussy. Id be ok with Jones too, bleeds red and blue.
Brad Green isnt tough, he's a handball reciever, always has been. not a midfielder either, should've always been a forward, could retire at full forward. current form is ok, but he's no captain, he's a winger.
Lets get serious dees, get rid of that trumpeter and dont mention green in the same breath as captain.
Brad Green! If he gets the captaincy ill eat my hat...it would be typical melbourne im afraid...he's soft and isnt a leaders arse hole...there is a reason he isnt in the leadership group.
Brock for captain, lets get serious, the guys got it, and the fact he did donuts in the carpark only increases his chances in my book. Too safe dees, must move foward with a purpose. Young, tough captain that isnt a pussy. Id be ok with Jones too, bleeds red and blue.
Brad Green isnt tough, he's a handball reciever, always has been. not a midfielder either, should've always been a forward, could retire at full forward. current form is ok, but he's no captain, he's a winger.
Lets get serious dees, get rid of that trumpeter and dont mention green in the same breath as captain.
So running back with the flight of the ball and flinging yourself into the pack is categorized as soft?
Mate, have a good look, he doesnt do it when it counts. It would be to our absolute detriment that guy leading us out. thats going backwards. we need a general and brad isnt one.
Brad green doesnt fling into anything, how many times can you go to a game, or watch a game and dont notice him. then you look at the stats, and he's had 25 touches. He's largely ineffective throught the middle and you never see a brad green last up from the back.. he's coasted along for years. not good enough.
yes he's soft, i bet the trumpeter was brads idea. Kirk, ball, mclean, burns and green. doesnt fit im afraid.
yes he's done the odd mark flying back but he isnt a consistent tough guy, not when it counts at least. does some flashy things but no good in the middle
StingaArmstrong
21 Jun 2008, 00:58
Mate, have a good look, he doesnt do it when it counts. It would be to our absolute detriment that guy leading us out. thats going backwards. we need a general and brad isnt one.
Brad green doesnt fling into anything, how many times can you go to a game, or watch a game and dont notice him. then you look at the stats, and he's had 25 touches. He's largely ineffective throught the middle and you never see a brad green last up from the back.. he's coasted along for years. not good enough.
yes he's soft, i bet the trumpeter was brads idea. Kirk, ball, mclean, burns and green. doesnt fit im afraid.
yes he's done the odd mark flying back but he isnt a consistent tough guy, not when it counts at least. does some flashy things but no good in the middle
You're a knob, you've got no idea. Green's been awesome this year. Granted some games he's played a kick behind the play...but that's the coaches orders. When the ball's there to be won, he's always put his body on the line.
Sherman Tank
21 Jun 2008, 01:52
Mate, have a good look, he doesnt do it when it counts. It would be to our absolute detriment that guy leading us out. thats going backwards. we need a general and brad isnt one.
Brad green doesnt fling into anything, how many times can you go to a game, or watch a game and dont notice him. then you look at the stats, and he's had 25 touches. He's largely ineffective throught the middle and you never see a brad green last up from the back.. he's coasted along for years. not good enough.
yes he's soft, i bet the trumpeter was brads idea. Kirk, ball, mclean, burns and green. doesnt fit im afraid.
yes he's done the odd mark flying back but he isnt a consistent tough guy, not when it counts at least. does some flashy things but no good in the middle
You obviously haven't watched much footy lately mate. Green used to be one of the softest in the league no doubt. His last 18 months have been very different, the man found courage nobody knew he had. FACT!
unstable punt
21 Jun 2008, 04:04
I love Jones, but McLean is ahead on footskills and consistency. He can beat a heavy tag as well. Brad Green should be captain at the moment.
McLean WILL be the next captain, no doubt, he has been our best player this year and would be winning the 'bluey'
unstable punt
21 Jun 2008, 04:05
Mate, have a good look, he doesnt do it when it counts. It would be to our absolute detriment that guy leading us out. thats going backwards. we need a general and brad isnt one.
Brad green doesnt fling into anything, how many times can you go to a game, or watch a game and dont notice him. then you look at the stats, and he's had 25 touches. He's largely ineffective throught the middle and you never see a brad green last up from the back.. he's coasted along for years. not good enough.
yes he's soft, i bet the trumpeter was brads idea. Kirk, ball, mclean, burns and green. doesnt fit im afraid.
yes he's done the odd mark flying back but he isnt a consistent tough guy, not when it counts at least. does some flashy things but no good in the middle
you are not watching the games, you still at home watching video's of 1964 GF, Green has totally changed himself as footballer and has become fearless in his approach to the game
Clean Heels
21 Jun 2008, 05:35
Green needs to work harder IMO, id like to see him find more space than he does - so he can utilize his kicking a bit more, he has shown us throughout his career, that he has the potential to be up with the elite, but its only rarely seen..
Will be interesting to see if his name is on the trade table come seasons end, I would think that a big name would have to be up for trade, especially after the year we have had..
melbournemartin
21 Jun 2008, 12:47
If Green gets traded it'll be a joke. He is one of the few senior players who has stepped up this year and dramatically improved. Trading him would send a horrible message to the other senior players.
oi, steady on, I agree he has been good this year, one of his best, but he's been ineffective for two years. last month has been good, done some good things but not for captain. he's gone backwards since the 2000 prelim against carlton when he and bruce ripped through them.
he hasnt always put his body on the line, thats a FACT. not being in the leadership group has pissed him off, doing his best to get in id say. shouldnt need that, same as the club, only getting up for the big games with a reason. eg neitz retired, queens birthday.
He cant have been that awesome, we've only won one, clutching at straws there. Amongst some terrible footy he's been alright. nothing to rave about.
Hold your judgement on the completely changed bit, played about six decent games this year and he's an all new man. gets the possessions but his impact has been minimal throughout his career.
get him up forward, his early years were good there. its wide open for him now. im not a green hater but i just dont think the guy is the tough, viney like, captain and his progression into the midfield has been a failure. that drifting across the backline is crap, albeit coaches orders. could be a great forward. too slow and not hard enough for the middle.
heads will roll this year, green could be one of them. not a bad msg at all, cant accept mediocrity he's had a fair while to show if he's any good. prob wont happen tho.
As bad as it is being last and crap, it's kinda exciting to see how we're gonna get out of this and what player will get us out of this. small positive out of alot of negatives i guess. something big will happen at seasons end.
melbournemartin
21 Jun 2008, 20:39
Green has been far from mediocre this year.
nah not this year, he's been good. but we've won one game, no one has been that good. Career wise, he's no star. he wont go, prob done enough to save himself but wouldnt surprise me. i dont think opposition sides worry about brad green too much
demonfan9
21 Jun 2008, 23:56
Brock McLean.
McLean_4_Captain
22 Jun 2008, 00:19
nah not this year, he's been good. but we've won one game, no one has been that good. Career wise, he's no star. he wont go, prob done enough to save himself but wouldnt surprise me. i dont think opposition sides worry about brad green too much
That's exactly why i dont like the idea of Green as captain, he's doesn't command opposition respect like a captain should. Neitz did, Bruce has at times, Green doesn't, Miller doesn't, Jonesy is starting to. But the one player who every team would worry about is McLean, he commands that respect.
Its not such a worry this year, one player can only do so much when his support is so piss poor. But when teams play us i imagine Brock being the first player they think about, their biggest worry. That to me screams captain, just like buckley, hird, voss. McLean is a long way from being any of them yet, but i think he could get there
didak04
22 Jun 2008, 01:37
In my opinion it has got to be one of the younger guys.
You've got a new President, bright new outlook for the future, membership is growing. A young player is the right fit, the team can grow around whoever is picked and in a few years team be back pushing for finals with any luck.
Would have to be out of McLean or Jones. Both are tough and lead by example on the field.
Brad Green! If he gets the captaincy ill eat my hat...it would be typical melbourne im afraid...he's soft and isnt a leaders arse hole...there is a reason he isnt in the leadership group.
Brock for captain, lets get serious, the guys got it, and the fact he did donuts in the carpark only increases his chances in my book. Too safe dees, must move foward with a purpose. Young, tough captain that isnt a pussy. Id be ok with Jones too, bleeds red and blue.
Brad Green isnt tough, he's a handball reciever, always has been. not a midfielder either, should've always been a forward, could retire at full forward. current form is ok, but he's no captain, he's a winger.
Lets get serious dees, get rid of that trumpeter and dont mention green in the same breath as captain.
There is indeed a reason he isn't in the leadership group and that reason is that the leadership group (and the process used to create it) is flawed. As a few other posters have said, Green is a much different player this year. Of all the players listed in the (farcical) leadership group at the start of the year I would say McLean is the only other player (along side Green) who has shown either leadership or strong contribution on a consistent basis so far for the season.
That's exactly why i dont like the idea of Green as captain, he's doesn't command opposition respect like a captain should. Neitz did, Bruce has at times, Green doesn't, Miller doesn't, Jonesy is starting to. But the one player who every team would worry about is McLean, he commands that respect.
Its not such a worry this year, one player can only do so much when his support is so piss poor. But when teams play us i imagine Brock being the first player they think about, their biggest worry. That to me screams captain, just like buckley, hird, voss. McLean is a long way from being any of them yet, but i think he could get there
Lets not mix two seperate factors. Respect is obviously a factor regarding captaincy. Obviously you need a captain who is respected by his fellow players and it is up to the opposition whether they respect him or not. The captain doesn't necessarily have to make the opposition "worry" about him. Classis example: Tom Harley. Is he the first player you think of when doing the match ups and deciding who you need to stop first when playing Geelong? - I think not. Also Harley is respected but not at the top I would have though of AFL captains in those stakes. I don't necessarily think Green is a better option than McLean but I disagree with your rationale.
fishmonger
22 Jun 2008, 02:36
I'm all for making Jones skipper.
He works harder than almost anyone else right from the word go and has real heart even when the chips are down.
yeah i agree, captain doesnt have to be most worried about, but Harley is the unanimous choice for captain amongst the players and he def has presence. Green 's played a handful of good game (most of them this year), doesnt impact on games regualary, and certainly doesnt have the respect that Harley has.
New era for dees, make a bit of a statement, Brock Mclean for captain. Far too safe and piss weak to choose green. bit too early for jones, but wouldnt bother me, if mclean wasnt there then definately.