G.ablett VS L.franklin

[billzadogga]

whos better out of lance franklin and gary ablett

[Brown n Gold]

G Ablett is ABSOLUTELY unstoppable

L Franklin is ALMOST unstoppable

I guess most of that comes down to the positions they play... Its easier to be an unstoppable mid than an unstoppable key forward.

Ablett for me at this stage... and will win the brownlow in a canter from Cooney

[matey]

Buddy easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.

[Geelongfor2008]

i would say ablett fair easily
but if u can get a star forward any coach would go for that

[Hodgepodge]

hawks are always a chance as long as they have buddy . . . he can kick 6 goals in two quarters of football and win you a game. Whereas Gazza can have a massive game and still his team can lose or at least come close to :)

[PLATTS44]

buddy not by much

[guitar god]

"Statistically" Ablett is better (save goals and marks) and more disciplined the Franklin. But either way it's hard to compare them both because they have different roles in the team. Ablett always kills the opposition in the midfield and Franklin in the forward line. They both have had one bad game. I'll probably have to go with ablett, mainly because ablett is good at every venue, where as Franklin has played some stinkers away.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=10&pid1=230&tid2=11&pid2=1488

[Big Nasty]

hawks are always a chance as long as they have buddy . . . he can kick 6 goals in two quarters of football and win you a game. Whereas Gazza can have a massive game and still his team can lose or at least come close to :)
Ablett influences a game more than Buddy, when it's a 50-50 game and a ball winner needs to stand up, Ablett always does. But If Hawthorn are struggling then it's the midfield that's gonna have to turn the game, or the ball isn't gonna be delivered into the 50 for Franklin to kick a bag, is it?

[PLATTS44]

buddy destroys your team on the wing"Statistically" Ablett is better (save goals and marks) and more disciplined the Franklin. But either way it's hard to compare them both because they have different roles in the team. Ablett always kills the opposition in the midfield and Franklin in the forward line. They both have had one bad game. I'll probably have to go with ablett, mainly because ablett is good at every venue, where as Franklin has played some stinkers away.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=10&pid1=230&tid2=11&pid2=1488

[Big Nasty]

buddy destroys your team on the wing
Bock had him beat most of the night. Why do you think Franklin had to play a different role in the last quater. :cool:

[Buddy Vision]

Bock had him beat most of the night. Why do you think Franklin had to play a different role in the last quater. :cool:

Quick trade Bock for Buddy!

[tigers_of_old_08]

Gazza easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.

[billzadogga]

Gazza easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.
hahaha yes i agree:thumbsu:

[detox]

Both the best hands down.

in terms of talent for what they do, i would have them equal.

In terms of pure value to a side, IE who will be a bigger match winner, you cant choose Gaz over Buddy. Gaz as brilliant as he is can take a game by the scruff of the neck but when Buddy is on his direct influence ends up on the scoreboard. Plus Buddy is usually playing on 2-3 opponents and this allows his teammates an easier ride as well. Gaz is great but i would always choose the good big man over the good small man.

[matey]

Gazza easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.

Impossible to find if you have a recruiting strategy of choosing players who are midgets and soft.

[Hoops]

Ablett's a better player, but buddy's more valuable. if that makes any sense :confused:

[Hodgepodge]

Ablett influences a game more than Buddy, when it's a 50-50 game and a ball winner needs to stand up, Ablett always does. But If Hawthorn are struggling then it's the midfield that's gonna have to turn the game, or the ball isn't gonna be delivered into the 50 for Franklin to kick a bag, is it?

Watch Rd 10 Hawks V Bulldogs.

[tigers_of_old_08]

Impossible to find if you have a recruiting strategy of choosing players who are midgets and soft.

Franklin will never be a RICHO.

[Masten2McKinley]

i have them about even, if buddy improved his kicking and was kicking 5.1 instead of 1.5 then it would be buddy

[Carlton_Blues]

Buddy easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.

Then youre not one-eyed - youre blind!

Abletts skills are far more rare - Ablett wins easily.

[Hodgepodge]

Franklin will never be a RICHO.

We can only hope.

[Gaz_Brownlow]

We can only hope.

As reported in the age today, Buddy has the highest number of Clangers and is averaging almost one Clanger per Goal. Ablett's ball use and creativity are unparalleled at the moment and as was also reported in one of the papers he is more similar to Leigh Matthews (#1 player of all time) then anybody previous. Ricchiuto, Harvey have been similar players in their core strength, but they have simply not got the polish of Ablett. I would say that Gaz Jnr will be around for a very length career (like Matthews, Roo and Harvey) and we might even see him play an increasing role at Full Forward as he fills out a bit more.

Ablett is tough (19 contested possesions on w/e), creative, got a great contested mark grab (be interested to see the contested mark figures of Ablett), multi-dimensional, fast becoming an inspired leader and equally as productive off either side. He is able to drift forward and produce match winning goals (although admittedly he should have a few more this year).

Buddy is phenomenal, a great athlete, a prodigious left foot kick and the go to man for the Hawkers (did you see the inside 50 targets against the Bombers - Franklin something like 25, Roughead 3!!!). Buddy is also 2 and half years younger than Ablett, so lets see how his next 2 seasons go - you would expect him to become better.

At this stage though....i would take Gaz Jnr as i reckon he has more involvement in winning a game of football (with goal assists, releasing other players, defensive pressure, tackling not to mention his own goal tally) then Franklin (who is no doubt a match winner, but is still reliant on constant feed coming into the forward half)

[Hodgepodge]

As reported in the age today, Buddy has the highest number of Clangers and is averaging almost one Clanger per Goal. Ablett's ball use and creativity are unparalleled at the moment and as was also reported in one of the papers he is more similar to Leigh Matthews (#1 player of all time) then anybody previous. Ricchiuto, Harvey have been similar players in their core strength, but they have simply not got the polish of Ablett. I would say that Gaz Jnr will be around for a very length career (like Matthews, Roo and Harvey) and we might even see him play an increasing role at Full Forward as he fills out a bit more.

Ablett is tough (19 contested possesions on w/e), creative, got a great contested mark grab (be interested to see the contested mark figures of Ablett), multi-dimensional, fast becoming an inspired leader and equally as productive off either side. He is able to drift forward and produce match winning goals (although admittedly he should have a few more this year).

Buddy is phenomenal, a great athlete, a prodigious left foot kick and the go to man for the Hawkers (did you see the inside 50 targets against the Bombers - Franklin something like 25, Roughead 3!!!). Buddy is also 2 and half years younger than Ablett, so lets see how his next 2 seasons go - you would expect him to become better.

At this stage though....i would take Gaz Jnr as i reckon he has more involvement in winning a game of football (with goal assists, releasing other players, defensive pressure, tackling not to mention his own goal tally) then Franklin (who is no doubt a match winner, but is still reliant on constant feed coming into the forward half)

I wonder exactly what a clanger is . . . i find it hard to believe he can make as many as 7 in a game unless a clanger is giving away a free kick or 50 metres. He doesn't get enough possessions to make that many clangers . . . unless kicking a behind is also a clanger . . . who knows.

Roughead played outside 50 for most of the game against the Bombers to give Buddy space . . .that would explains why he wasn't much of an inside50 target . . . did you look up that stat about the I50 targets by yourself or was it in an article? Well it's misleading anyway... there are a lot of myths about buddy, another one which you mentioned is that buddy relies on a constant feed and getting the ball lace out, but if you check out a game in Round 10 where our midfield was smashed, you'll see he still kicked 5 goals out of our 12.

Buddy was leading the contested marks going into the game against the Bombers, he may still be ahead, not sure, but he's certainly up there.

[Hodgepodge]

Apart from my obvious bias i picked franklin cos he's on track to do what many experts thought was impossible in the modern game, to kick 100 in a Home and Away Season . . . and he's doing it as a CHF.

[Big Nasty]

Apart from my obvious bias i picked franklin cos he's on track to do what many experts thought was impossible in the modern game, to kick 100 in a Home and Away Season . . . and he's doing it as a CHF.
Why would it be impossible when the rules today are designed to favour the forwards. :cool:

[Hodgepodge]

Why would it be impossible when the rules today are designed to favour the forwards. :cool:

I don't see any other forwards getting the ton . . . besides the hands in the back rule goes both ways, forwards can't put hands in the back either.

[Power King]

Ablett doesn't constantly take marks inside 50 and kick big bags of goals.

Franklin doesn't rack up the hardball gets and clearances in the midfield.

It never ceases to amaze me how people will always ask who's better when two superstars play completely different positions.

[pacman]

At 21 Ablett was an OK forward pocket, he has now taken his game to the Elite status.
Buddy is only 21 and is already at Elite status.
You do the math.

[Hodgepodge]

Buddy will end up being the greatest of all time, no doubt, barring serious injuries of course.

[matey]

Franklin will never be a RICHO.

Totally agree Buddy is not a dummy spitter and contains his emotions pretty well.

[Hodgepodge]

Totally agree Buddy is not a dummy spitter and contains his emotions pretty well.

He has such a good temperament for a star forward

[Hodgepodge]

i also voted buddy as he doesn't go on the footy show to talk about how good he is

[Gaz_Brownlow]

i also voted buddy as he doesn't go on the footy show to talk about how good he is

No you only have to ask Buddy when you see him on the piss and he will tell you in no uncertain terms. He might also add what his tally is for the season (and im not talking about goals!).

[Hodgepodge]

No you only have to ask Buddy when you see him on the piss and he will tell you in no uncertain terms. He might also add what his tally is for the season (and im not talking about goals!).

Yup, i'm sure if you asked him, he'd tell you.

Regarding his tally . . .

that just proves he's an all-round gun and a rock star to boot. He'll be the best the game's ever seen by the end of his career, no doubt.

Anyway i didn't mean to take shots at Gary, i don't mind him as a player, he's no franklin tho.

[Hodgepodge]

i also go franklin cos he's no.1 in contested marks and no.22 in contested possessions!

[ChunkyDuckling]

They are both stars, the best in their teams and their teams are pretty darn good.

I would still take Franklin as KPs like him are rare, A-Grade midfielders are a dime a dozen and while Ablett is probably at the top of tree, he could be sufficiently replaced without hurting the team too much.

Plus Franklin can play in the middle and be as good as anyone, he is one of the fasteset at the club ad his agility is amazing regardless of his size. How would Ablett go at CHF?

As somebody else said, Gaz is probably better right nowbut Franklin is much much more valuable. To any side, bar Brisbane.

He's still 21 remember... Goal-kicking yips go with time.

[The Cryptkeeper]

Gazza easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.


Are you extracting the urine?

[Geelongfor2008]

franklin sucks compared to ablett
ablett is way more consistent
frankline has kicked 2 goals in last 2 weeks
ablett has had 70 touches in last 2 weeks and most r probs contested

compared to ablett franklin sucks:)

[Eel_storm]

Nice troll.

[sens_bombers]

Ablett for now. When buddy has his off days he is really terrible, Ablett has hardly had and off day this year.

[moondog21]

Buddy easily. Players with his size, height, speed and skill are much harder to find.
Are you a 14 year old girl who doesnt watch footy

[matey]

Are you a 14 year old girl who doesnt watch footy

I am the 14 yo girl who lends Ablett my pink lipstick.

How was Abett going at 20/21. Buddy has been quite for a couple of weeks big deal he has alot of improvement left which is a scarey proposition. Wait until he is 24 and close to 150 games he is still so young.

Are you an adult male who still can't get past 2 minutes before you say sorry I could not help it ...........?
Its called lasting the distance and experience so please give this same consideration to Buddy when waying things up.

Having said that I love watching Ablett play but players with Buddy traits are much harder to find and are alot more rare as opposed to finding a gun midfielder.

[Carlton_Blues]

Apart from my obvious bias i picked franklin cos he's on track to do what many experts thought was impossible in the modern game, to kick 100 in a Home and Away Season . . . and he's doing it as a CHF.

The other obvious is that youre just an idiot, just start a poll on it and you'll see.

[GIMP2]

Ablett for me right now......Buddy gets lazy and doesn't do enough team things for my liking.

[CATS CLAWS]

Impossible to split the two superstars.

Gazza the great reminds me of Chris Judd during his peak 2003-2006 when he grabs the balll from a stoppage ducks and weaves, break tackles then explodes way leaving his opponents star struck.

Buddy is a key forward like ive never seen for a long while he is just so gifted tall strong, great speed and the best thing when the ball hits the ground hes like a crumber.

It would be more interesting to compare Hodge V Gazza as they are both phenominal players

You cant compare a CHF to a rover

[Big Nasty]

Impossible to split the two superstars.

Gazza the great reminds me of Chris Judd during his peak 2003-2006 when he grabs the balll from a stoppage ducks and weaves, break tackles then explodes way leaving his opponents star struck.

Buddy is a key forward like ive never seen for a long while he is just so gifted tall strong, great speed and the best thing when the ball hits the ground hes like a crumber.

It would be more interesting to compare Hodge V Gazza as they are both phenominal players

You cant compare a CHF to a rover
Hodge isn't even in Abletts class. :rolleyes:

[tin can sam]

They are both stars, the best in their teams and their teams are pretty darn good.

I would still take Franklin as KPs like him are rare, A-Grade midfielders are a dime a dozen and while Ablett is probably at the top of tree, he could be sufficiently replaced without hurting the team too much.

Plus Franklin can play in the middle and be as good as anyone, he is one of the fasteset at the club ad his agility is amazing regardless of his size. How would Ablett go at CHF?

As somebody else said, Gaz is probably better right nowbut Franklin is much much more valuable. To any side, bar Brisbane.

He's still 21 remember... Goal-kicking yips go with time.

I don't think they will.

Has a fundemental flaw with his kicking technique which I doubt will ever be corrected.

I don't think it'll matter though, Gary Ablett snr wasn't a great set shot, but he's still the best of all time.

[croady_fan24]

Buddy just.

Go Hawks.

[danbeacom]

Ablett no doubt.

Obviously Hawks supporters will choose Buddy and Geelong Supporters will choose Ablett, but Ablett is more of a game breaker.

Best on ground in the last 4 games and averaging 34 possessions in the last five.
Averaging 30 disposals for 08, 5 marks, and a goal per game.

It can't really get much better than that regardless of what position you play.

[ZosoCat]

even non-cats fans would say ablett right now easily.

[detox]

Ablett no doubt.

Obviously Hawks supporters will choose Buddy and Geelong Supporters will choose Ablett, but Ablett is more of a game breaker.

Best on ground in the last 4 games and averaging 34 possessions in the last five.
Averaging 30 disposals for 08, 5 marks, and a goal per game.

It can't really get much better than that regardless of what position you play.

How can you say Ablett is more of a game breaker?

When Buddys on (which is much more often then not these days), he will tear a game to shreds. His direct influence ends up on the scoreboard. Ablett for all his brilliance will still rely often on others to back him up for his team to dominate. Franklin can dominate a game even if we play flat as, which is so often the case.

[L_J_T]

Gary Ablett Jnr by a mile.

[Fortress Hawk]

I wonder exactly what a clanger is . . . i find it hard to believe he can make as many as 7 in a game unless a clanger is giving away a free kick or 50 metres. He doesn't get enough possessions to make that many clangers . . . unless kicking a behind is also a clanger . . . who knows.

Roughead played outside 50 for most of the game against the Bombers to give Buddy space . . .that would explains why he wasn't much of an inside50 target . . . did you look up that stat about the I50 targets by yourself or was it in an article? Well it's misleading anyway... there are a lot of myths about buddy, another one which you mentioned is that buddy relies on a constant feed and getting the ball lace out, but if you check out a game in Round 10 where our midfield was smashed, you'll see he still kicked 5 goals out of our 12.

Buddy was leading the contested marks going into the game against the Bombers, he may still be ahead, not sure, but he's certainly up there.


A free kick is a clanger that is why buddy is leading the lead in clangers!
This is a hard choice and most geelong supporters will be one eyed and say ablett and vice versa for hawk supporters! All i know is that a quality big man that can do what buddy does is so rare that someone like him comes around once in a decade! where mids like ablett come and go!Don't get me wrong ablett is a freak but has only been doing it for two years, would love to see how good when geelong arnt flying on top of the ladder ina few years! Ablett is 25 and buddy is still only 21 and big men are meant to get better as they get older! Buddy now is a freak of nature! wait till we see him in 2 years time, then people will understand just how special he is!

[crawf_legend]

Thats a hard one. They play 2 different positions but Buddy gets my vote. :thumbsu:

[Big Kitty]

Gazza is clearly the better player but Franklin has more of an impact on a game when he plays well.