View Full Version : Brogan being shopped around ...
Ford Fairlane
17 Jun 2008, 19:18
... by his management. According to 10 news he wants a 3 year deal but Port aren't keen on that length of time, offering something shorter. So rival clubs are being sounded out.
Loyal2Port
17 Jun 2008, 19:21
he deserves 2 years, he has had suspect ankles and given that he drops into holes and gets crunched, 3 years is not justified at his age (30 at end of year)
normally I panic about these things, but i think this will get sorted out pretty quickly with a 2 year deal, maybe a 3rd if specific criteria are satisfied.
Well, he'd know how badly we need him to stay.
If he gets injured, we'd look silly, if he remains healthy we can't really go all that wrong with three more years. 2 is ideal, 3 is a compromise we'd have to make.
Another one of those mexican stand-offs.
2 years is enough for Broges and if any club wants to risk 3 years then good luck to him and them.
The same goes for PB with his 2 year deal versus a 1 year offer.
Free Willy
17 Jun 2008, 20:26
Gee 2 years ago you could have reamed the old Carlton with this trade.
I'd knock on the door at Linton St. (Saints)
They love a workhorse on its last legs.
I'm amazed he wouldnt stay & be loyal to you guys.
Port has been very good to Dean Brogan, he should take the 2 years, perform well & the third year (or a single year contract) would surely follow after that.
hereselmo1
17 Jun 2008, 20:46
I would be very surprised and dissapointed if Brogan was to leave. I think that 2 years is fair, though i would be surprised if he didnt play into his mid 30's.
Macca19
17 Jun 2008, 21:11
Would be very dissapointed if he wants to leave. You'd think 2 years is about right.
Gutted if he moved on. One that always gives his all. Great in the 04 GF.
Capital Power
17 Jun 2008, 21:19
I imagine he's on the "must keep" list, especially after the last two weeks. I suspect the timing by his management is no accident.
2 years with an option for a third pending a minimum number of games played or somesuch would be fair IMHO
Powerade 08
17 Jun 2008, 21:25
Yea, it would be dissapointing to see him leave. But if he does I wouldn't be too concerned. Someone always steps up. How many times do you hear that team A will thrash team B because an important player from team B is injured? and it hardly ever happens. Good example would be the Crows, not rated too highly at the start of the year, they have young players in the ruck and up forward and basically had no choice but to play them, they're not doing too bad atm.
We're desperate for a ruckman. Simmo isn't getting any younger and we have nothing coming through in the way of youngsters. How old is Brogan?
Greg Miller just can't keep still during trade week. he'll be itching for something like this.
Powerade 08
17 Jun 2008, 21:37
We're desperate for a ruckman. Simmo isn't getting any younger and we have nothing coming through in the way of youngsters. How old is Brogan?
Would you believe 23? Any more Rodans on your list?
EDIT: seriously, hes 30 after the season finishes (..i think)
Certainly a must keep with how poor Lade has been this season.
Crow-mo
17 Jun 2008, 23:02
he'd want his form to improve first wouldn't he?
Macca19
17 Jun 2008, 23:15
he'd want his form to improve first wouldn't he?
:confused:
portentous
17 Jun 2008, 23:42
Is he looking to join the motivational speaking circuit? He and Roger James could team up again...........
Power King
18 Jun 2008, 00:42
he'd want his form to improve first wouldn't he?
^???
He's having possibly his best season at Port...
TheFridge
18 Jun 2008, 00:56
Does this remind anyone else of Ladey's stance last year?
I can understand the desire for longer late contracts for players breaking the big 3-0 age, but frankly the way lists and salary cap must be managed, it would be idiotic to sign Broges for three years IMHO....
Don't think we would get all that much in a trade either, so if he is adamant he wants 3 years (and can find another club willing to take that risk) then we would be losers in the short term and I think Dean would lose that magical position as a one club premiership players.
Our ruck stocks are frankly in a state of disarray:(.
Campbell's Chunky
18 Jun 2008, 03:58
From an outsiders POV, if you guys had some ruck depth I'd seriously look at trading him.
You'd get great value for him, if your looking to the future. It's unlikely he'll play in your next premiership anyway.
The only problem is, your ruck depth at present is a bit bare. I dno if you guys are confident that Deluca can stand up, and whether Giles will cut the mustard or not.
Power King
18 Jun 2008, 04:11
^Please change your avatar.
I don't know if it's the cold weather at this time of the morning, but I just got a shiver down my spine.
Asgardian
18 Jun 2008, 05:31
he'd want his form to improve first wouldn't he?
If you can't contribute, just don't bother.
His management is doing the usual stuff that a player's management is supposed to do, to earn their money.
relapse
18 Jun 2008, 09:36
No club will offer a 30 year old ruckman a three year contract. He should take the 2 year deal and be satisfied with it.
If this is true & i was one of yuse i would be dissapointed in Brogans stance & would see this as someone who is trying to take advantage of your clubs seemingly lack of ruck prospects coming up through the ranks, then again i guess the guy is just looking at his own future & who could blame him for that.
But 3 years is a bit rough for a 30 year old ruckman.
wharfie_1870
18 Jun 2008, 13:14
Broges is 30 in December so a 2 year deal is very generous.
Forzaport
18 Jun 2008, 13:58
Didn't this happen last time brogan's contract was negotiated? Smoke and mirrors. He'll sign a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd depending on KPIs and life will continue as normal.
Toots Hibbert
18 Jun 2008, 17:06
he'd want his form to improve first wouldn't he?
This is the latest in a long list of posts from you on this board that are not grounded in fact.
Let's call a spade a spade. You're trolling.
Sandola
18 Jun 2008, 19:15
Dwayne Russell on 3AW just now: Carlton has one place left under its salary cap (?). They need a ruckman. Dean Brogan might be available.
Aw, give us a break! I guess the player agents know everybody, and Broges's is a friend of Dwayne.
Just sign him already (and Pete, too). One year will be fine (for Pete, too).
RussellEbertHandball
18 Jun 2008, 19:22
Yeah, I heard that. Last year it was an interest in Lade, this year Brogan, they took French. What is it with Port's ruckman and Carlon's interest? Is De Luca the target next year?
hereselmo1
18 Jun 2008, 19:25
Yeah, I heard that. Last year it was an interest in Lade, this year Brogan, they took French. What is it with Port's ruckman and Carlon's interest? Is De Luca the target next year?
I would have thought that given the demographics of their list they would be more likely to go for deluca than brogan.
portentous
18 Jun 2008, 19:26
Is Adrian DeLuca still at Carlton? If so, thought it more likely they'd target Fabes than anyone.
RussellEbertHandball
18 Jun 2008, 19:34
I would have thought that given the demographics of their list they would be more likely to go for deluca than brogan.
Not if they think they can win a flag by 2010 or soon after that. Brogan would be the experienced ruckman to help out Kruezer and Hampson as they develop and take some of the heavy work away from them so they don't get burnt out too early.
Geoffa32
18 Jun 2008, 20:22
Sounds a bit like Kenny McGregor last year. Has a look there are no bites and stays, with a bit extra$ in his contract. I dare say Brogan has more to offer than Kenny though.
I doubt any other club would take him. Everitt still have a couple of years at Sydney, Hudson is at the Bulldogs (teams most likely to pick up an older Ruckman) and most teams want young mobile Rucks now.
Nothing for you guys to worry about. Unless he wanted to join the 36ers....
TigerTroy0055
18 Jun 2008, 21:21
Dwayne Russell on 3AW just now: Carlton has one place left under its salary cap (?). They need a ruckman. Dean Brogan might be available.
Aw, give us a break! I guess the player agents know everybody, and Broges's is a friend of Dwayne.
Just sign him already (and Pete, too). One year will be fine (for Pete, too).Carlton will have zip left in the Salary Cap once Fevola's manager is finished with them , I've never seen a side so top heavy. Judd , Fev , Stevens , these three combined would be 2.5 mil between them. They will have to fiddle the books again to trade next year and players won't be keen to go there for nothing.
Loyal2Port
18 Jun 2008, 21:35
comparing dean brogan to ken mcgregor has just seen brogans value plummet :)
one is in all australian contention, the other one is only fit for australian idol
and dont forget Carlton want jonno brown for 5 years as well......
im sure their salary cap will be well and truely blown and poor guys like Jordan Russell will be paid $2.50 a season
blackdiamond
19 Jun 2008, 01:56
Is Adrian DeLuca still at Carlton? If so, thought it more likely they'd target Fabes than anyone.
Adrian retired a couple of seasons back so Fabes won't be on their radar for those reasons.
Geoffa32
19 Jun 2008, 10:22
Adrian retired a couple of seasons back so Fabes won't be on their radar for those reasons.
Unless they want a decent Ruck. Kreuzer wont be able to dominate ruck for another three years and looks to be doing his best work in forward line. Delucca could be a handy player for them. And they dont mind taking your ruckman.
Ford Fairlane
14 Jul 2008, 11:08
This one's raised it's head again this morning in the tiser. After Choco questioned Brogan's game in his post-match presser, Brogan's father rang 5aa to say Carlton and Sydney were ready to offer a 3 year deal, a claim that was rejected by Brogan's management. Port have put a 2 year deal to Brogan and negotiations are continuing. Carlton and Sydney are still considered in the picture for a ready to go ruckman.
Geoffa32
14 Jul 2008, 11:44
Everitt is due to retire soon and Sydney are keen to take quality older ruckman....I know AFL is profesional but pretty poor form for Brogan to walk out of your club and leave Delucca to be number one ruck. Port took a chance in recruiting him from the NBL. Apologies to Lade, who in his prime was the best IMO but is past it now.
His old man was pretty confident on the Radio.
Oh yeah and apologies for comparing Brogs to Kmac LOL.
Ford Fairlane
14 Jul 2008, 12:30
Here's the article.
Dean Brogan's contract row sparks talk of move (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,24014499-5016212,00.html)
Michelangelo Rucci | July 13, 2008 11:30pm
PORT Adelaide ruckman Dean Brogan is considering his options after being handed a two-year extension - rather than a three-season deal.
But Brogan, 29, and his management team have denied the premiership ruckman has three-year offers from Sydney and Carlton.
Port understands Brogan's management is testing his value with clubs needing experienced ruckmen and Carlton and Sydney fit that bill.
But Brogan's manager, Ben Williams, said: "We don't have offers from other clubs.
"We have one from Port Adelaide and it is not where Dean wants it to be.
"He is taking his time to assess his future. It is still July."
Brogan's approach assumed a soap-opera theme on Saturday night after Port's two-point loss to North Melbourne at AAMI Stadium when Power coach Mark Williams was quizzed about the issue.
Brogan's father, Mick, was moved to go public on radio, listing Carlton and Sydney as suitors for his son's services, after hearing Williams describe Brogan's performance against the Kangaroos: "I didn't think Dean played all that well tonight."
Williams did add: "He has been playing well for us."
Port football operations chief Peter Rohde yesterday set a diplomatic tone saying: "We've made an offer and we're waiting on Dean's response.
"We don't seek to play out these negotiations in public."
Port's choice of ruckmen - between Brogan, the inexperienced Fabian Deluca and All-Australian Brendon Lade, who played in the SANFL at Murray Bridge yesterday - for Sunday's Showdown XXV against Adelaide is now a point of debate.
Brogan would seem a certainty. But Deluca, who is supposed to be on audition, played just one-third of Saturday night's match, bringing into question Williams' faith in the 21-year-old ruckman, particularly for a derby.
But Williams said: "It is important for us to give Fabian some opportunity."
Lade's recall is not certain, even though he offers an extra dimension to the Power attack against the Adelaide defence.
portentous
14 Jul 2008, 14:01
Give him a role in the leadership group ASAP.
Porthos
14 Jul 2008, 14:45
Happy to trade him. No point us having a 30 year old ruckman who think he's in his prime when the rest of the side is so shit. Lets make room for a developing ruckman to go through the David Hille treatment.
Toots Hibbert
14 Jul 2008, 14:56
Got anyone in mind?
Porthos
14 Jul 2008, 14:58
Nope.
I just know we can't afford to have two senior rucks next year that are both on contracts that are quite possibly 2 years too long.
#### it, Deluca and Giles, why not. This is a bluff I'm happy to have called.
hereselmo1
14 Jul 2008, 15:41
At least with Deluca and Giles rucking our midfielders would be forced to learn how to read an opposition ruck tap and get a hard ball .
FishingRick04
14 Jul 2008, 16:02
I wonder if there could be ruck issues with Tippett, Griffen and Maric?
I have been impressed with Maric and maybe we could let Dean go for more money elsewhere and get him.
I wouldn't be too fussed if he left no matter how much I enjoy his style and play because he is getting on and look how Ladey fell from grace in half a season.
Same for P.B give him 1 year or go elsewhere, their trade value would be quite high.
I would even throw up S.B with attitude lately.
The only locks for me would be Bob, Chappy, Motlop, Gray, Ebo, Boak, Salopek, Rodan, Thomas.
I would be target Maric, Seaby, Jordan Russell, Brad Ebert.
Getting way off topic now
Malibu#27
14 Jul 2008, 16:08
Happy to trade him. No point us having a 30 year old ruckman who think he's in his prime when the rest of the side is so shit. Lets make room for a developing ruckman to go through the David Hille treatment.
I was open to trading him last year (obviously thinking Lade had a few more miles in his legs).
However now with Lade in a spot of bother it makes it a little harder. Right now I'd be prepared to up his fee a little but keep it a 2 years, as I think he is one player that has shown some heart over the past month or two.
Brogan won't be a part of our next premiership anyway, so I'd rather him leave now if he wants to be petulant and get one or two draft picks then be forced into the same mistake we made with Lade. Give these guys what they want and they get contented.
Unless you are Dean Cox, no ruckman is irreplacable.
Sandola
14 Jul 2008, 17:14
Why do we always start characterising guys who are negotiating new contracts as "selfish", "greedy", "petulant", "unrealistic", etc etc?
It's a little dance that the the clubs and the managers do, with guest appearances by the players in question. Completely empty ritual. Means absolutely nothing. If the club wants a particular player to stay on our list, and he wants to stay, well, love and a little money will find a way.
FishingRick04
14 Jul 2008, 17:59
Why do we always start characterising guys who are negotiating new contracts as "selfish", "greedy", "petulant", "unrealistic", etc etc?
It's a little dance that the the clubs and the managers do, with guest appearances by the players in question. Completely empty ritual. Means absolutely nothing. If the club wants a particular player to stay on our list, and he wants to stay, well, love and a little money will find a way.
Wasn't there an article some time ago where he said he is Port forever?
That's where Tredrea has top be respected, basically Port or nothing and was happy for his contract to be downsized for the greater good.
thegreatdil
14 Jul 2008, 18:10
lol Ivan Maric for Dean Brogan. Sounds like a fair trade to me :P.
we would be insane to give brogan a three year deal.
Why do we always start characterising guys who are negotiating new contracts as "selfish", "greedy", "petulant", "unrealistic", etc etc?
It's a little dance that the the clubs and the managers do, with guest appearances by the players in question. Completely empty ritual. Means absolutely nothing. If the club wants a particular player to stay on our list, and he wants to stay, well, love and a little money will find a way.
I said if he was being petulant - I'm fully aware of how the negotiating circle dance works. And negotiations don't usually involve your old man ringing the media and spruiking on about how other clubs have offered 3 year deals. That's something Fevola would do - Dean strikes me as better than that, so hopefully it was just his father speaking out of turn.
If he wants to go?Let him go.I am sure someone will step into the breach who wants to play for Port.Look how Lade has gone backwards in 1 year.Brogan could do exactly the same?
Toots Hibbert
14 Jul 2008, 23:03
Nope.
I just know we can't afford to have two senior rucks next year that are both on contracts that are quite possibly 2 years too long.
#### it, Deluca and Giles, why not. This is a bluff I'm happy to have called.
Am I wrong in thinking Lade has only one year after this left to run?
As for Broges, I'd be very sorry if he and the club couldn't come to terms in line with Ports usual policy re players over thirty. Broges shows a bit of passion for the jumper and is still playing consistently good footy. He looks durable too.
I think Sandola's on the mark about the dance involving the club, the player and his agent.
As for Deluca and Giles, I think the latter might travel down the Hille route.
blackdiamond
30 Jul 2008, 08:54
courtesy of www.theadvertiser.com.au (http://www.theadvertiser.com.au)
Port's hopes rest with Brogan (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,24096670-5014673,00.html)
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6170637,00.jpg
PORT Adelaide is relying on Dean Brogan to ensure they do not go into 2009 with one of the weakest ruck stables in the AFL.
The age and injury-related decline of Brendon Lade, the stalled development of Fabian Deluca and the retirement earlier this year of Hugh Minson have left the Power looking hopefully towards Brogan for the time being - a fact underlined by last week's loss to Fremantle.
Whenever Brogan was on the field, Port grabbed the momentum, but whenever he went off, the Dockers carried all before them, helped in no small part by Deluca's inability to hit his ruck taps to advantage.
Complicating matters is that 29-year-old Brogan is out of contract at year's end and is understood to be playing hard ball over a new deal.
Jonathan Giles is the only other tall on Port's senior list, but he has spent most of 2008 languishing in the SANFL reserves.
Power coach Mark Williams said he was relying on Brogan not to hold the club to ransom, especially when maximum room must be freed up in Port's salary cap to help coax other players to Alberton.
"Broges and I talk quite often about the whole range of things and I'm sure we'll get to talk about that (contracts)," Williams said.
"He knows the position of the club.
"He's certainly a required player and one that week after week, we see greater things from."
Deluca's inability so far to make an impact on games is not a new thing for a ruckman, but there will be some concern around Alberton that a player in his fourth year remains considerably less apt for the task than he should be.
Williams appears content to be patient for the time being, and he offered the examples of numerous ruckmen who began as unheralded rookies - Dean Cox among them - or obscure mature pick-ups to support his attitude.
"Fabian didn't play very well and he's the first to admit that, but Aaron Sandilands is a pretty good player and certainly wins a lot of the knocks, so we'll see how Fabian goes in the next couple of weeks," Williams said.
"Dean Cox is probably the No.1 in the league and he started as a rookie, no one liked him in the draft.
"If you look at Dean Brogan, it was the same thing - there is a bit of history of that sort of stuff with ruckmen.
"Ben Hudson is a gun ruckman and no one wanted him in the early days, so there are quite a few examples of that and we'd like to think we can stick with them (young ruckmen), go through the tough times and make sure that in the end you've made the right choices."
Geoffa32
30 Jul 2008, 10:07
From my understanding it is not about money but length of contract, ie Chockos comments on salary cap room.
Considering you guys got burnt from Primus in his final year of contract, and could by Lade I doubt the club will leave the door open for a third time.
Be interesting to see who budges first. Ports need for at least one capable Ruckman or Brogans need for job security in future.
RussellEbertHandball
30 Jul 2008, 12:17
Am I wrong in thinking Lade has only one year after this left to run?
As for Broges, I'd be very sorry if he and the club couldn't come to terms in line with Ports usual policy re players over thirty. Broges shows a bit of passion for the jumper and is still playing consistently good footy. He looks durable too.
I think Sandola's on the mark about the dance involving the club, the player and his agent.
As for Deluca and Giles, I think the latter might travel down the Hille route.
Deluca, Brogan, Cockshell and Minson's contract run out 31 Oct 2008.
Lade and Giles' run out at 31 Oct 2009.
Brogan should be given a 2 year contract given the way he has played this year. If he wants three years then write in some options clause and set some criteria that if he meets by the end of year 2, he gets his extension. No way should he get a guaranteed 3 years.
There would be clubs looking for a 30 year old, on a 3 year deal. Sydney did it with Spider, Bulldogs have with Huddo.
Carlton, Saint, Tigers would all love a ruckman like Brogan (despite my despise for him) and clubs shouldn't be held to ransom.
Port could take a leaf, and just play with youngsters. Wasn't it about 3 years ago that Port had a dirth of ruck options. Wonder if they made a play for Wood last season.
I'd be disappointed if Maric moved to his missus' club. He's our best ruckman by far.
Maric split up with her about a year ago.
Forzaport
11 Aug 2008, 19:24
Looks like carlton have offered brogan 3 years according to ch10 news.
Gee, didn't see that coming :rolleyes:
footy4ever
11 Aug 2008, 19:33
Looks like carlton have offered brogan 3 years according to ch10 news.
Gee, didn't see that coming :rolleyes:
Holy sh__!
I knew by talking to carlton supporters at the G that they were looking for a hard as nails CHB...Brogan could do that and be versatile enough to be used elsewhere of course. I suspect thats what they would have him earmarked for.
footy4ever
11 Aug 2008, 19:38
^^^^^^
BTW, without reading back through all the posts...Do you think Power can afford to let Brogan go?
I think you have to keep him no matter what it takes. He's been one of the few who busts his guts for the team every week.
Power King
11 Aug 2008, 20:02
Lose Brogan.
Give Toby a contract.
Makes sense....................................................... ................
Forzaport
11 Aug 2008, 20:04
Yeah, it's looking like port will need to give dean the 3 years
Ford Fairlane
11 Aug 2008, 20:06
Looks like carlton have offered brogan 3 years according to ch10 news.
Gee, didn't see that coming :rolleyes:
Let's be clear here ... channel 10 news = Andrew Jarman in this case.
Doesn't mean it's not true of course. ;)