Ricky Ponting's Captaincy

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Ponting's captainicy has come on in leaps and bounds since the 2005 Ashes series as well as the 2003 world cup.

IMO Ponting can take some of the credit for the arrival of Andrew Symonds as the complete player from the player in the 2002 VB Series who could not get the ball off the square who now plays a vital role in the team.

Secondly, Brett Lee has emerged as our strike bowler, a prospect most on here would have laughed at 2 years ago. Under Steve Waugh Brett Lee was a serial under-achiever, but under Ponting Brett Lee is fast on track to become one of our finest ever pace-bowlers.

Additionally, Ponting has captained the team magnificently in the West Indies, with an attack most on here had serious doubts over, and maybe still do.

However, the use of Casson was perfect. Ponting made all the right moves with the field during Casson's spell. When Johnson was struggling Ponting would bring on part-timers to keep it tight and snag wickets to counteract Johnsons leaking of runs.

People are always saying how great Ian Chappell was, how Taylor was great and how Waugh was one of our finest. Ponting should get the cudos he deserves for his captainicy.

[dan warna]

Yeah I've been a big rap for punter for years.

people forget that despite all the accolades tubby had, Australia's batting line up was famous for 4th innings collapses and losing dead rubbers.

with the vast amount of talent at tubby's disposal (warne, fleming, reiffel, Mcgrath, gillespie, kasperwics to name a few) he only managed a 50% win rate.

S. Waugh was of much harder stuff than Tubby, and certainly the batting line up grew some spine, but waugh had still had a quality bowling line up to choose from with the back up leggie being McGill, Mgrath and warne as the mainstay's Gillespie, Lee and co. Of his batsman, mark waugh had the lowest average!!!!, lehmann, hayden, martyn (in form), BNG langer, and gilchrist coming in at 7 made a fearsome batting line up, even warne and Bing Lee could slash a few quick runs, how often had sides got Australia to 200 for 5, and all out for 420 with a run a ball century from gilly and a few nice 20s for lee and warne.

Punter inherited a side that many said was in decline, immediately losing the ashes. Martyn in decline, gilchrist, still a solid contributer but hardly the destroyer he was a season earlier, and gillespie completely lost his touch.

Probably the only real find in Punters team has been Hussey, the rest of the team leftovers and also runs not good enough for Waugh's team (Symonds, hodge, katich, M Hussey, Jacques, clarke and clark), and yet his win record at this point in time eclipses S. waughs.

tbh if he retires with a win ratio of 6 1/2 games out of ten in 2 or 3 seasons time, surely then we will have to acknowledge him as one of the great captain/players.

[saj_21]

[quote=dan warna;11417288)tbh if he retires with a win ratio of 6 1/2 games out of ten in 2 or 3 seasons time, surely then we will have to acknowledge him as one of the great captain/players.[/quote]

The next 3 years we can judge him, with the team a lot less experienced and not as strong if we can reamin as strong he will be one of the greats.

[King Elvis]

As much as I was absolutely shattered when we lost the 05 Ashes, it was pretty clear pretty quickly that the loss would be the best thing that could've happened to us.

That loss basically hardened Punter and turned him into a man possessed - he is still not perfect, but his desire and force of will is incredible; you can see he simply refuses to let us lose our mantle while he's in charge.

Losing the 05 Ashes was the making of Ponting.

[Crazy lad]

The next 3 years we can judge him, with the team a lot less experienced and not as strong if we can reamin as strong he will be one of the greats.

Only 4 Australian captains have captained the team more than Ponting and only 2 captains (Lloyd and Waugh) in the history of the game have won more games than Ponting.

Ponting has done enough but some just wont accept that.

[saj_21]

Only 4 Australian captains have captained the team more than Ponting and only 2 captains (Lloyd and Waugh) in the history of the game have won more games than Ponting.

Ponting has done enough but some just wont accept that.

You've got to understand that test cricket is palyed a lot more today that has ever been, even 20 years ago during the border/taylor era cricket was not played 12 months aroudn the year. It wasn't till around the late 90's when cricket became a 12 month sport for all countires.

So of course ponting will have captained more games than most becuase at this moment in time cricket as never been played so more frequently that is beng played now.

I accept he is a good captain and a great supporter of him during his career especially during the last summer where he copped a lot of unecessary criticsm. It is not his fault that he was blessed with Warne and McGrath at his disposal not to mention the deepth of our batting as well. But the true test of him as captain has begun and so far he is doing a great job, the test will continue over the next 12-18 months.

[Crazy lad]

You've got to understand that test cricket is palyed a lot more today that has ever been, even 20 years ago during the border/taylor era cricket was not played 12 months aroudn the year. It wasn't till around the late 90's when cricket became a 12 month sport for all countires.

So of course ponting will have captained more games than most becuase at this moment in time cricket as never been played so more frequently that is beng played now.



And it is because cricket is played all year round that the captain is under more pressure with the team. Injuries have a bigger impact and players under constant pressure to keep performing through out the year. Captains are under more pressure than they were when they had a break every season. Ponting is under the pump 12 months of the year with hardly any time to relax. Border had the luxury of three months a year to recharge the batteries. Ponting faces different expectations and carries more responsibilities, the fierce competition to bring down Australia from all nations and the over zelous scrutiny from the media is ten fold for Ponting than anything Taylor or Border had to contend with.

One only has to look at Australias performance in the world cup under the captaincy of Ponting to see how much he influences the team. Look at the setbacks he has faced (Lee and Warne) and the results he has produced, it is simply amazing. I read a lot of interviews of our current players and each and every one has great respect for Ponting and the position he holds and that is the true test of his abilities.

So when you add it all up and then take in the contribution he has played as a captain leading from the front with his batting and fielding there is nothing left to say except that Ponting is one of the greats of Australian cricket. He may carry the burden of Waughs mental disintergration policy that has turned many against Australia but he has never wavered in his duty to the team.

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Exactly, Punter Ponting for PM!!!!!!!!

[VoR]

Ponting is still a poor captain. His field placings on the final day of the last Test where farcical.

[Crazy lad]

Ponting is still a poor captain. His field placings on the final day of the last Test where farcical.

Yes dear.

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Ponting is still a poor captain. His field placings on the final day of the last Test where farcical.

Explain?

Give us an example. Instead of typine one sentence.

:rolleyes:

What about his field to get Bravo, a point Tony Cozier made was that short leg had been put in after Brave had hit Casson for multiple sixes as well as keeping Mid - off up. It was great captainicy, a perfect example of a captain manufacturing a wicket.

[dan warna]

Ponting is still a poor captain. His field placings on the final day of the last Test where farcical.

the test match Australia won on a flat dead track with only 2 test quality bowlers?

a captain with a 75% win record in tests and ODIs?

a captain with possibly the worst team on form and quality Australia has fielded in nearly 20 years?

langer > jacques
hayden > Katich
Punter = punter
M Hussey > everyone else
Martyn >=Symonds
s. waugh > Clarke
gilchrist > haddin
Warne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Casson
Lee=Lee (new Lee better than old Lee tbf)
McGrath > S. Clark
Gillespie > Mitch

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across almost every position, he has a weaker team than 5 / 6 seasons ago and still won 2 zip with 2 pitches being pretty much dead wickets. And the only player superior to his predecessors being Hussey, was out of form.

[Belnakor]

Tubby's team wasn't that great, the top 3 were particuarily flaky.

Waugh on the other hand had a team that at one point had the 6 of the top 10 batsman in the world, the top 2 bowlers and a non liability wicketkeeper.

[pluga_4]

You've got to understand that test cricket is palyed a lot more today that has ever been, even 20 years ago during the border/taylor era cricket was not played 12 months aroudn the year. It wasn't till around the late 90's when cricket became a 12 month sport for all countires.

So of course ponting will have captained more games than most becuase at this moment in time cricket as never been played so more frequently that is beng played now.

I accept he is a good captain and a great supporter of him during his career especially during the last summer where he copped a lot of unecessary criticsm. It is not his fault that he was blessed with Warne and McGrath at his disposal not to mention the deepth of our batting as well. But the true test of him as captain has begun and so far he is doing a great job, the test will continue over the next 12-18 months.


i'm hearin' ya but we still play an average of 10-12 tests a calendar year as we did 20 years ago. if anything we play more odi's per year than we did 20 years ago.

ponting has been captain of the odi side now for 6 years and his win/loss ratio is outstanding.

ponting only had warne and mcgrath at his disposal (test cricket) as 34 year olds and beyond (twilight of their careers).

pontings 33-4 (7 draws) speaks for itself.

[dan warna]

Tubby's team wasn't that great, the top 3 were particuarily flaky.

Waugh on the other hand had a team that at one point had the 6 of the top 10 batsman in the world, the top 2 bowlers and a non liability wicketkeeper.

Tubby team had a lesser batting line up than what was to come, but it was still a substantially talented side.

tubby, slater, s. waugh was at his peak, punter, martyn, Gilchrist/healy were amongst his batsmen, if anything he could come under criticism for not getting the best out of the talent he had, in m waugh, langer, martyn, hayden and elliot all who had runs in his team.

the bowling battery he had was awesome, headed by McGrath and warne, he had Gillespie, a raw lee, Hughes, Reiffel, McDermott, pretty much a battery of bowlers who averaged under 30 per wicket.

Possibly the best bowling line up of the era.

while a win rate of > 50% is still good, I think, for the talent he had available, its a grossly underachieving side.

[patto_man]

ponting is a great captain