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AFL Premiership Round 13
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Saturday 21 June 2008
The Gabba (http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=52) 7:10:00pm (Local Time) Brisbane Forecast (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ10095.shtml)
TV (All Live)
Qld: Channel 10, Fox Sports 1.
Vic: Fox Sports 1.
SA: Channel 10, Fox Sports 1.
WA: Fox Sports 1.
TAS: Fox Sports 1.
NT: Fox Sports 1.
NSW/ACT: Fox Sports 1.
RADIO
Vic: SEN.
Qld: ABC, MMM, BIMA.
SA: Fiveaa, MMM.
WA: BIMA.
NSW/ACT: None
Tas: None
NT: BIMA
Ladder:
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Last 5 Rounds:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jpk/132008/L5L.GIF
Win-Loss Sequences:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jpk/132008/SWL.GIF
Recent history:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jpk/132008/Last10.GIF
The Brisbane Perspective:
Originally Posted by beatnik
Preamble…
The last game I previewed was the Sydney Swans game and I have to say I have a very similar feeling looking at this one.
Like Sydney, Adelaide are one of the best defensive units getting around and, like Sydney, they’ve adapted their game plan and play a quicker, more attacking style of play circa 2008.
Lethal has attributed that change in the competition to the success of Geelong last year – he reasons that coaches and teams model themselves on the premiers and more-so when they are runaway winners.
It’s funny that only a few years short ago, the doomsayers were moaning Sydney’s premiership success would lead to locust plagues, crop failures and universally ‘boring’ football!
The game of follow-the-leader continues but now the code is on an attacking upswing – Adelaide don’t have a star-studded forward line but they have one of the most.
Form lines…
Tipped pre-season to be on a downward spiral, Coach Craig has rejuvenated and restructured his team seamlessly and yet the wags seem intent on making a truism of their pre-season predictions for the Crows.
Despite being in and around the top 4 all season long, the footy fourth estate has continued to question whether Adelaide are really worthy of that spot on the top shelf as most of their wins were against bottom 8 sides.
Given their more attacking style and constant presence in the top tier through the first half of 2008, Adelaide would be justified in feeling a little slighted at the continued questioning of their credentials this season.
Adelaide had a great showing against the rampant Hawks and will be kicking themselves for letting a big scalp slip away – the scribes might have underestimated the Crows this season but I don’t think there’ll be anyone in the Brisbane camp doing so this week.
The Lions form line is intriguing – win-loss-win-loss etc until the break and then we nailed 4 straight. We were looking like the real deal until we ran headfirst into a finals-bound semi driven by a goateed and peroxide-whitened hair gleefully swerving to ensure no Lion escaped.
Yep. The game against the Doggies was a cold, hard dose of reality but it will affect us in one of two ways: we’ll either rebound from the thrashing and come out and play with with desperation and desire; or we’ll withdraw into ourselves a little with dented confidence and chinked armour.
Last year we seemed to fall in a bit of a hole for a week or two after a big loss - we tended to put a few shabby games together on the trot when the wind was taken out of the sails.
This weekend’s match is a test of team character for the still-young Lions and will be a gauge of how much we’ve grown since this time last year.
I’ve mixed up the format a little and thought I’d look at the game through a footy SWOT analysis…
Strengths
Our backline…
I thought the boys at the back were reasonable last week. The Doggies went inside 50 68 times to our 38 so I think it’s fair to say the back 6 were under the pump but they didn’t crumble until very late in the game.
The difference that McGrath, Roe and Drummond make can’t be understated – although they looked a little worse for their week off, the familiar run and rebound was there in spite of the relentless pressure.
I thought we were really wonky at the back against Fremantle and, despite the eventual margin, we were better against the star-studded Dogs forward line on the weekend - I think our backline will be better again this week and I am confident they will make it hard for the Crows up forward.
Twin Towers
Throughout the off-season I steadfastly refused to contemplate the ‘Bradshaw at centre-half-back’ option because I thought it was a luxury we couldn’t afford.
Having two goal-kicking forwards as good as those two in the one 50m arc is rare - individually they are great but when they play together, they become superheroes.
I don’t like to admit it but, with either of those two out, we lose more than just the player – we almost completely lose our structure.
Brennan is no longer a key forward – he’s moved on and does not play with the same hunger for a goal as he did in the second half of last year when thrown forward – and Clark is still a while away from being a primary target in big games.
Make no mistake – we need Browny and Braddy to each get a few this week and one of them to really get amongst it.
I think whomever gets Rutten needs to lead out past 50 and take Bock back to the square – not only will it get The Truck away from the goalsquare, it will limit the counter-attacking punch Bock provides.
Even though in such a scenario Bock and Rutten would switch constantly to keep their alignment, the concentration needed to do it might make it hard for them to zone off and be a third man up, leaving the Corries and the Hoopers a chance for a few marks inside 50.
Weaknesses
Sharing the load…
We rely too heavily on our star midfielders – against Hawthorn, Adelaide had 3 players with 30+ touches; 5 with more than 25 and 11 blokes who had it more than 20 times! Fair enough, they weren’t all mids but those numbers are scary…I mean, who do you concentrate on?
I’d say we shouldn’t try to tag too many – make some head-to-head match-ups in the middle and go for it.
If anyone needs tagging, it is by putting Selwood forward to smother Johncock or McLeod or even letting Copeland follow Bock up the ground and play the alternative leading target role like last year.
Ok, maybe that’s a bit left-field but the middle tier does needs to lift its output from last week and there will be no hiding against the Crows – if we don’t get good even spread from all our runners, we’re in for a long night.
Opportunities
Rucken oath!
It’s hard to say whether this was an opportunity or a threat – I guess it’s a bit of both.
Put simply our best five mids are better than their best five mids but they make that up when you look at the deeper rotations….say 8-10 deep.
Adelaide just seem to share the load so well in the midfield – their roles are well defined and they each execute their job with very few passengers.
Therefore, we desperately need Charman and Leuey to pretty much smash Griffen and Maric (possibly Moran?) all over the park and get clean well-directed taps to the advantage of our engine room and let that advantage percolate to the top.
With ruck dominance (and the possible return of Rischa) our midfield will bounce bacl from the horrors inflicted upon us at the G last week and could test Adelaide’s legendary discipline to it’s absolute limits.
Without ruck dominance, it will be like mud wrestling with a python i.e. you can hold your own for a while…
…then you tire and die!
Threats
Adelaide’s defence make you pay …
Adelaide’s defensive unit is one of the best going around – Rutten and Bock are both AA-class defenders and Johncock and McLeod are ageless and brilliant. They are a tight, well-organised unit and require pinpoint precision to have a chance of beating them over four quarters.
Our forwards will need to work overtime to chase and tackle or Adelaide will hurt us on the rebound all day long.
Our midfield will have its hands full with Adelaide’s seemingly endless fleet of similarly hard-working, disciplined types and will tire early if they are constantly forced to scramble and chase heels going the other way from sloppy delivery or unforced turnovers by the Lions.
In summary, it is crucial that:
a) our mids kick with some precision to our forwards
b) our forwards slow Adelaide’s run out of defence
Inclusions – the one that matters…
An article on the AFL website noted:
CROWS coach Neil Craig will have some welcome headaches at the selection table this week with five players expected to put their hands up to play against the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Saturday night.
Brett Burton, who has served his two-match ban, heads the list of inclusions, which also includes returning injured trio Brad Symes, Kris Massie and Brad Moran.
…Adding more pressure to the players currently in Adelaide’s 22 is the impressive SANFL form of Nick Gill and Trent Hentschel.
So Adelaide are near full-strength and might make 3-5 changes to a side which led Hawthorn for 90% of the game.
I’m not sure whether Moran, Massie or Symes will come in to the side and really the one inclusion that matters is the Birdman.
For a dour defence-oriented tactician, Coach Craig has shown a tendency for rebuilding veteran midfielders into permanent forward. Roo and Goodwin are good success stories but Burton has been sensational.
As a midfielder, Burton was great but since moving near the sticks, we’ve seen the Birdman truly spread his wings and fly - he has that ability to turn half chances into six points and that’s what makes him a one-man ‘threat’ in my books.
MacDonald? Patfull? Roe? All might get a go on him by game’s end.
Summary…
I see this as a massive danger game but I’m clinging to the belief that the Doggies were very, very good last week and are at the peak of the powers whereas the Hawks were undermanned and not as sharp.
If we weren’t at home, I’d say we would fall short after our confidence copped a whack last week - at home, we need a good first quarter to get the belief up and the crowd energized.
If Bradshaw plays: Brisbane by 1 point.
If Bradshaw doesn’t play: Adelaide by 17 points
The Opposition Perspective:
Originally Posted by Vader
Brisbane vs Adelaide
Gabbattoir, Saturday 7.10pm
Recent History
2007 R21 Adelaide 12.14(86) def Brisbane 8.12(60) Football Park
2007 R7 Adelaide 14.16(100) def Brisbane 9.15(69) Gabbattoir
2006 R11 Adelaide 10.15(75) def Brisbane 8.12(60) Gabbattoir
2005 R8 Adelaide 8.15(63) lost to Brisbane 11.6(72) Football Park
2004 R17 Adelaide 6.12(48) lost to Brisbane 29.15(189) Gabbattoir
The overall record favours the Brisbane Lions, who have won 11 of the 18 encounters since the merger with Fitzroy. However, the last 3 games have all gone Adelaide's way - 2 of which were at the Gabbattoir.
Recent Form - Adelaide
R8 Adelaide 22.18 (150) dftd Melbourne 11.8 (74) Football Park
R9 West Coast 14.13 (97) dftd Adelaide 5.17 (47) Subiaco
R10 Adelaide 9.20 (74) dftd Essendon 10.9 (69) Football Park
R11 Richmond 14.12 (96) lost to Adelaide 22.14 (146) MCG
R12 Adelaide 10.12 (72) lost to Hawthorn 11.10 (76) Football Park
Adelaide's recent form is a bit of a mixed bag. They enjoyed the bye in R8, before copping a major reality check in R9. Their form against Essendon was indifferent, though they did well in the second half against the Tigers. The loss to Hawthorn hurt badly, as the Crows led for 90% of the game before losing in a nailbiter.
Recent Form - Brisbane
R8 Carlton 12.20 (92) lost to Brisbane Lions 18.17 (125) Telstra Dome
R9 Brisbane Lions 21.15 (141) dftd St Kilda 14.11 (95) Gabba
R10 Brisbane Lions 18.21 (129) dftd North Melbourne 15.8 (98) Gabba
R11 Brisbane Lions 14.12 (96) dftd Fremantle 10.14 (74) Gabba
R12 Western Bulldogs 19.17 (131) dftd Brisbane Lions 10.8 (68) MCG
The Lions had a good month from R8-11, racking up comfortable wins against the weaker teams. That's more than can be said for the Crows during the same period. However, it all came crashing down around their ears in R12, when they were thrashed by a very much in-form Footscray outfit. Only good work from their underrated defence prevented this game from blowing out worse than it did.
Likely Team
B: Johncock Rutten Stevens
HB: Doughty Bock McLeod
C: van Berlo Reilly Mackay
HF: Porplyzia Burton Goodwin
F: Douglas Tippett Edwards
R: Maric Vince Thompson
I: Griffin Knights Shirley Jericho
IN: Brent Reilly, Brett Burton
OUT: Nathan Bassett (neck), Andy Otten (omit)
Nick Gill or Trent Hentschel would also be possible additions to the team, both returning after lengthy injury breaks. David Mackay would be the likely omission if this were to happen.
Missing Players
Adelaide are almost back to full strength at present, with Nathan Bassett being the only first 22 player likely to miss the game through injury.
The Key Match-Ups
The big question is whether Bradshaw will be fit to play? Brisbane's two towers - Brown and Bradshaw have been in awesome form recently. They sit 3rd and 5th on the leading goalscorers list for the year. Intially it was Bradshaw who was doing all the damage, but Brown's form since the Vic Self Love Flagellation Event has been ominous to say the least.
Brown & Bradshaw vs Rutten & Bock
Adelaide may have won the last 3 encounters between these two teams, but they have never had to counter both Bradshaw and Brown in the same game. Last year Bradshaw was missing, after having had his knee reconstructed. The year before, it was Brown who was MIA through injury.
Fortunately, Adelaide have 2 of the 3 best defenders in the league and are thus better equipped than most to cope with the dynamic duo. Ben Rutten has a great record against Brown, and Bock should have the mobility to go with Bradshaw and to keep him quiet.
Black vs Shirley
Simon Black has been in Brownlow Medal winning form this year, picking up 25+ disposals in 10 of 12 games this year. Not only does he get a lot of disposals, but he makes sure he hurts you with them. Robert Shirley is Adelaide's #1 tagger and I expect him to get the job. He has shown great form recently in negating his opponents, with Judd and Foley both amongst his victims.
Tippett vs Merrett
Kurt Tippett kicked 4 goals in R8 against the Demons, but has been badly down on form since then. Put bluntly, his kicking for goal has been terrible. Nevertheless, the youngster cuts an imposing figure at 201cm and has been thrust into the role of Adelaide's only tall forward. I don't know a lot about Brisbane's defenders - though I did note their impressive efforts last week - but I'm fairly sure Daniel Merrett is their best tall defender.
What To Expect?
Brisbane's gameplan is relatively simple. Get the ball to Brown & Bradshaw and let them bang it through the big sticks. Given the firepower offered by this pair, it's a fairly effective strategy.
Adelaide's gameplan will be to block Brisbane's run through the midfield. We do this by a rolling flood - starting at half forward, then rolling back into defence as our opponents move the ball forward. In the past Adelaide's defensive pressure has been enough against the Lions to see their midfielders turn the ball over. I would not be overly surprised to see it happen again this time.
Having looked at the scoreboards between these two clubs, I can safely guarantee one thing. There will be considerably more behinds kicked than goals - most likely by Brisbane, but an absolute certainty by Adelaide.
Brisbane are a very difficult team to beat on their own turf. Heck, they're not easy to beat anywhere, but they're particularly good when playing at home. However, Adelaide have no fear of the Gabbattoir, having won their two most recent encounters on this ground. I would expect the Crows to get up by a couple of goals.
Adelaide by 12.
Thanks to beatnik and Vader for the previews and lionbear for the midia info.
TheBrownDog
17 Jun 2008, 22:00
I don't think Vader is aware that Bradshaw is injured.
God previews though chaps.
Cousin Jed
17 Jun 2008, 22:45
Ugh.....look at those points scored recently against them for us.
I don't know a lot about Brisbane's defenders
At least you're honest :D
Adelaide bring their own footy to the ground and basically try and make sure you don't get to touch it. They are a very professional outfit, we have to improve our efficiency moving forward. Adelaide defenders really seem to zone off and we need to to look at crossing the 50 and having shots for goal from a slowish build up. Only go long when the ball is moved quickly and the defenders are out of position.
We must address the Thompson issue, he is just so bloody fit and bobs up all over the ground. He could have kicked 5 against Hawthorn if he had his radar right. Charman needs to stand up this week and take control of that centre square. Regardless of the result i think we will come out very hard and put a much improved effort in. FWITW i think we will win by 15 points.
Warwick
17 Jun 2008, 23:07
Worst possible time for Bradshaw to be out. :rolleyes: Brown has been Rutten's bitch of late and they also have Bock down there.
Two players really have to step up this week if we are going to be any chance:
1. Rhan Hooper - where have you been? Needs to play a blinder because Johncock, McLeod, Bock etc are going to have a field day running the ball out of defence if we don't pressure them. Also needs to get his hands on the footy.
2. Number 19 - I will lay off you if you manage to beat 2 up-and-coming but inexperienced rucks. And I mean beat. Not beat up. It's all good to intimidate and bully smaller opponents and give silly free kicks away. It's another thing entirely to tap a ball our way every now and then. His place in the team is on the line IMO. Griffen killed us last time we played at the Gabba and he has the ability to float forward again.
blynd_freddie
17 Jun 2008, 23:09
Thanks to beatnik and Vader for the previews and lionbear for the midia info.
Midia? As in MDIA? No not from San Fran…Middle Development Inspection Agencies?? Nup?
Are you back to putting sugar on your coco pops weevil?
So while I’m waving the stick, any chance of splitting the season into before and after the mid year split round lionbear? I’m sure I’m not the only one who has to scroll the previews.
On a positive two great reviews... cutting to the chase the summaries and expectations rekindle a memory of this years first game in Dubai, where the crows trounced the pies with a classy showing of a midfield flood of dominance.
A scary flashback but a Gabba No Fear? With apologies to our Indonesian neighbours, surely that would be a Balinese fake copy… a for and against over the last 3 games a the Gabba put us over 15 goals up.[wink] but all jokes aside I’m sure you still would have a preference to be playing us at AMMI this weekend. I'm glad it's not!
Strangely after 3 wins in a row we had 5 ins listed on the Thursday, then after 4 wins in row we had 4 ins listed. That’s nine players in 2 weeks, so after our first loss in 5 games, sheesh how many ins this Thursday, 18??
I think if you re-read Nostradamus’s quatrains you will agree with the experts that his writings on the Brisbane team selection for round 13 2008 was purely a coin toss. Which surely must create some doubt on his and Vaders guess of crows by 12pts.:p
Me? I’ll just call a Lions win. I’m not giving a margin for fear of acuguy jinxing US with a matching value.
I got in first this week:D
Cousin Jed
17 Jun 2008, 23:14
Midia? As in MDIA? No not from San Fran…Middle Development Inspection Agencies?? Nup?
Are you back to putting sugar on your coco pops weevil?
So while I’m waving the stick, any chance of splitting the season into before and after the mid year split round lionbear? I’m sure I’m not the only one who has to scroll the previews.
On a positive two great reviews... cutting to the chase the summaries and expectations rekindle a memory of this years first game in Dubai, where the crows trounced the pies with a classy showing of a midfield flood of dominance.
A scary flashback but a Gabba No Fear? With apologies to our Indonesian neighbours, surely that would be a Balinese fake copy… a for and against over the last 3 games a the Gabba put us over 15 goals up.[wink] but all jokes aside I’m sure you still would have a preference to be playing us at AMMI this weekend. I'm glad it's not!
Strangely after 3 wins in a row we had 5 ins listed on the Thursday, then after 4 wins in row we had 4 ins listed. That’s nine players in 2 weeks, so after our first loss in 5 games, sheesh how many ins this Thursday, 18??
I think if you re-read Nostradamus’s quatrains you will agree with the experts that his writings on the Brisbane team selection for round 13 2008 was purely a coin toss. Which surely must create some doubt on his and Vaders guess of crows by 12pts.:p
Me? I’ll just call a Lions win. I’m not giving a margin for fear of acuguy jinxing US with a matching value.
I'll wait for the translation :)
Does anyone know how we are shaping up this week in regards to injuries.
Midia? As in MDIA? No not from San Fran…[FONT=Verdana]Middle Development Inspection Agencies?? Nup?
It’s been misspelt like that nearly all year. Do you boofheads actually read this stuff or what?
blynd_freddie
17 Jun 2008, 23:29
I'll wait for the translation :)
I’ll - just - call - a - Lions - win. ;)
BTW both the previews have been posted on the Adelaide board as part of their faceoff thread.
konstas_87
18 Jun 2008, 00:50
dont mean to be the pessimist, but i cant see how we can win this game without Bradshaw playing.
hope im wrong.
Dylan12
18 Jun 2008, 01:27
If the Eagles can have such a convincing win as they did a few weeks ago, we must have some chance. Of course it will be tough, but with or without Bradshaw we are still good show, I'm just not sure where or how.
Can just hope that the same Crows outfit that played the Eagles returns to Brisbane. Somehow unlikely, I am sure that was the aberration the Crows had like our game last week against the Dogs. One can only hope.
dmac_55
18 Jun 2008, 02:49
Good preview by both.. Its great that we can convince most other teams to write a preview.. Great for some less known teams and players..
To the game.. I think that Tippett is just about the best matchup that Merrett can have.. I am looking forward to a complete barbecue, with Merrett to provide the sauce..
Crows are a bloody strong outfit, with some absolute stars beginning to develop. One bloke we need to shutdown who is a huge threat is Porplyzia. Having to watch this guy play every week :(, i can say he is an absolute gun.. Probably in their best 3 - 5 players.. We really need to stop him somehow, i think Jmac could get the job, although selwood could be thrust onto him if he is getting beaten elsewhere. This dude only needs 5-6 possies in a quarter and he could have 2 goals and set up another couple.. So damaging..
Bock and Rutten are all class.. We need to get clearances this week to score quick goals, otherwise they will pick them off all day.. I mean Bock got 35 touches on Buddy last week, and limited him to 1 goal :confused:.
I think these players need big games for us to do well..
Sherman - tag a Thompson i would think.. He needs to have a couple of shots on goal and finish, as well as hitting f50 targets
Power - He needs to be damaging this week with his touches, and i wouldnt mind him getting in there for some clearances, or even to pull the 3 guys off Black each ball up
Hooper - Make McLeod and Johncocks life living hell.. Put them under the pump.
Johnstone - Would love to see him get forward hitting Browny and co on the chest.. We are going to need his precision by foot
Anyway i think we will need to play 90-95% of our capacity to win this one. That being said:
Lions by 27 :D
Quigley
18 Jun 2008, 05:54
Assuming everyone is on deck I think we match up pretty well on the Crows forwards. As mentioned Tippett is the type of forward that Merrett eats up. Patfull will go to Burton and I am confident he can keep him away from goal. McGrath will go to Porps and Macdonald to Goodwin. All are good match ups and play to our strengths.
It is essential that we stop Thompson who is in Brownlow type form and I would give Selwood first crack there. I think a close marking tag is needed and Selwood is usually our best option in that role. He can get cracked though and I would move Sherman there straight away if Selwood looks like getting touched up.
I would send Sherman to McLeod. McLeod has shown that he can be tagged out of games recently and Sherman could sit on McLeod and punish him on the score board if McLeod does not pay enough attention to him. It is also the type of role I think Sherman would enjoy.
Bock has been in great form and is probably an AA favourite atm. Notwithstanding that I think he is a canditate to be run down and I am sure that Hooper and Corrie will both have instructions to sweat on him. The pace of Hooper might cause some issues for the Crow backline.
I think this game will be won by whichever teams young mids step up. Adelaide's young guys have been a strength this year and the Lions have been a bit disappointing. The Lions have to be accountable and win this area I think for us to win on the weekend.
awesome_assassin
18 Jun 2008, 08:47
Good preview guys. This game will really tell us where we're at. If Bradshaw, Roe and co aren't fit, i think we will struggle too. Bock has been in super form for the crows, and we all know Rutten will hold his own. If Braddles is out again, Bock would most likely match up on Clark. I can't see us winning that match-up.
The midfield again is critical. The Doggies out ran us last week. With the exception of Black and Power our mids need to lift. Adcock, Riska, Corrie, Hooper, Sherman, Brennan will all run through the middle at some stage, all of these guys have been a little down on form.( possibly being a little harsh on Sherman who has been fairly good of late). These are the guys that need to improve for us to finish in the top 5 or 6 for the year.
Is Leuy back in? If so, we should be able the get the better of them in the Ruck Department. If not,Clark will help out Charmo, but i think were short up Forward, maybe Hendo could come in?
If we play to our best, it should be a ripper.
Go LIONS:thumbsu:
We've played without Braddles now for one and a half games, and as has been said, our structure has gone completely to shit. If he doesn't come up again this week, we need to find some way to tweak our shape so that things keep working. You'd think last year's experience would've shown us a few things.
I think good structure = running accurate kicking backs + roaming CHF/Wing marking targets + goal kickers. That's how we worked best last year (Mills, Notting, Stiller through the middle) and this year too. Losing Clark's link-up through the middle last week (and against Freo) really affected us, Leuey can't do this as well just yet. I would like to see either Hendo or Bushy come into the forward line and free up Clark. We need someone who will demand the ball up there, we can't just keep kicking it to Browny in this game or we'll get smashed.
Bushy's killing them in the twos up forward, he's got the burst speed to burn his opponent on the lead into the space when everyone else peels off to stop Browny. And I like his defensive pressure too.
Hendo or Clark are probably better forwards, but it was plainly obvious against the dogs that our mids didn't want to kick it to Clark. We can't be that predictable this week, and Bushy is one of those blokes who demands the pill when it's coming in. He's not a long term solution, but he's our best option at the moment IMO.
I'm not very confident about this one. Adelaide at full strength and a lot of our running players are only on one and a half legs. I really hope we stick it up them but we need a minor injury healing miracle for that to happen.
I reckon our disposal improves when we play-on quickly, if Adelaide can clog us up through the middle I don't like our chances of breaking their zone.
To be honest, I don't care if we lose so much as long as we bounce back from last week. We need to come out and tackle hard, lead our opponents to the ball and take chances by moving it quickly. I'd rather see us chance our arm and turn it over than spasm our way forward, and then turn it over.
Haven't tipped against the lions all year, so Brissie by a point :o
Any thoughts about Mills coming in (if Braddy is out) to play that lead-up CHF role in an effort to improve our structure and take some pressure off JB?
I must admit I had not thought about it myself until I read the preceding post by Mish, but I don't believe we can retain last week's line-up and simply hope for the best if Braddy is not right- something will have to change!
BTW, in my view Bushy is not the, or any, answer against Adelaide's defence despite his goals for the 2's last week. He's just too slow nowadays.
The Flying Belgian
18 Jun 2008, 15:27
Millsy's injured ATM.
Any thoughts about Mills coming in (if Braddy is out) to play that lead-up CHF role in an effort to improve our structure and take some pressure off JB?
I must admit I had not thought about it myself until I read the preceding post by Mish, but I don't believe we can retain last week's line-up and simply hope for the best if Braddy is not right- something will have to change!
I was an advocate of the lead up forward last year. It did improve us structurally. However, I'm not convinced that we have reverted to last year's form. In some ways, it is a negative move to have a guy like Mills play that role...and he was the best suited to it (given we also tried guys like Moody, Brennan and Notting in similar roles). Mills isn't able to wheel around and kick well to the forward 50. He is reliant on the midfield giving him a handball option. That was OK when we were a side that was struggling to find a transition avenue.
Now, we do get the ball inside 50 a lot for the number of possessions we get. Our ability to move the pill from one end to the other is much improved. We win enough contests that our midfield can provide linking options. We also use the ball better which means that the side can focus on moving forward without having to overly worry about regular skill errors resulting in a turnover and a score at the other end. Our defence can rebound without worrying about exposing the side down back. In short, we are a different and better side to last year.
I wouldn't go making major structural changes based on last week. If we really struggle again this week then perhaps we need to look at changing up the structure. But we simply can't look at last week's game as anything else other than an aberration. We were off our game and playing a top team. We were poor in the contest, skill levels were down, defensive intensity was down. The coaching staff has to back the boys to fix those things up. Then, the results will follow.
I wouldn't go making major structural changes based on last week. If we really struggle again this week then perhaps we need to look at changing up the structure. But we simply can't look at last week's game as anything else other than an aberration. We were off our game and playing a top team. We were poor in the contest, skill levels were down, defensive intensity was down. The coaching staff has to back the boys to fix those things up. Then, the results will follow.
Fair points.
I suppose in demanding change I am referring more to a change in how we deliver the ball inside 50 than a change of personnel per se. I just have a dread of us reverting to that one-dimensional plan of attack that plagued us for that 2 month period last year and has shown signs of re-emerging since half-time against Freo.
Geoffa32
18 Jun 2008, 20:59
Hoping for a good game this week, and of course a win.
Lions are my second team, having been born up there.
I was at the Port - Brisbane game earlier this year with a mates 10 year old Lions supporting son. Was a good night.
Pst, BTW is Bradshaw playing;)
campbell
18 Jun 2008, 21:00
Hoping for a good game this week, and of course a win.
Lions are my second team, having been born up there.
I was at the Port - Brisbane game earlier this year with a mates 10 year old Lions supporting son. Was a good night.
Pst, BTW is Bradshaw playing;)
Browny said he wasnt on the news tonight. Didnt train.
Thanks for the wishes. Should be a pearler. I am looking forward to the duel down back.
Grimreepah
18 Jun 2008, 21:55
This game probably takes on extra significance in that it is important to get a bit of confidence back after last week's drubbing. If we lose we will have fallen short against all top 5 teams. For us to take the next step we need to start beating a few of these top teams. Until we can do that we are only making up the numbers.
Grimreepah
19 Jun 2008, 02:07
Link (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sport/afl/story/0,27046,23884914-5016169,00.html)
BRISBANE'S injury pain is at least another week from easing with Daniel Bradshaw, Travis Johnstone and Jason Roe out of Saturday's game.
errr... then he says:
Bradshaw, Roe and Johnstone were unable to complete training at Coorparoo last night and are in doubt for this weekend's clash with the Crows.
lionbear
19 Jun 2008, 09:05
Interesting match this one. I think Bradshaw or no Bradshaw we should be able to score the goals needed to win this one. Brisbane to win based on the home ground advantage.:thumbsu:
If Roe is out, give Hendo a run in the forward line and bring Clark to be our link up man out of defense.
If Henderson cant kick goals lets make sure he stops Bock.
Adelaide Squad...interesting as they only have one specialist ruck in Maric, as Griffen is injured, and one part timer in Tippett..should mean that Charmo can really dominate
Adelaide
B: Johncock, Rutten, Bassett
HB: McLeod, Bock, Doughty
C: van Berlo, Thompson, Knights
HF: Douglas, Gill, Vince
F: Porplyzia, Tippett, Burton
R: Maric, Goodwin, Edwards
Inter: Shirley, Stevens, Jericho, Reilly
Emerg: Symes, Dangerfield, Hentschel
In: Gill, Reilly, Burton
Out: Griffin (hip), Otten, Mackay
And our squad. Collier to make his debut.
B: Josh Drummond (39), Daniel Merrett (21), Joel Patfull (24)
HB: Jared Brennan (17), Joel Macdonald (26), Troy Selwood (28)
C: Anthony Corrie (18), Simon Black (20), Tim Notting (8)
HF: Michael Rischitelli (35), Jonathan Brown (16), Justin Sherman (11)
F: Rhan Hooper (33), Mitch Clark (1), Travis Johnstone (4)
Foll: Jamie Charman (19), Luke Power (6), Jed Adcock (7)
Int: Tom Collier (22), Ashley McGrath (9), Robert Copeland (30), James Polkinghorne (31)
Emerg: Albert Proud (2), Lachlan Henderson (14), Scott Harding (5)
IN: Michael Rischitelli, Robert Copeland, Tom Collier
OUT: Jason Roe (hamstring), Cheynee Stiller, Matthew Leuenberger (omit)
NEW: Tom Collier (Tassie Mariners)
Great to see Collier get a run.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 18:20
Collier! Hurrah! Straight into Roe's spot down back.
Clark to play as second ruck I imagine and float forward.
Copeland as a leading forward.
Interesting that Travis is in... must have been a very minor hamstring complaint.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 18:23
No Proud.
Acuguy has been placed in a straight jacket and is on 24 hour suicide watch.
jackess
19 Jun 2008, 18:26
Could Collier play as a dummy key forward and tag Bock? With Clark spending more time in the ruck. Very harsh on Stiller though.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 18:28
Could Collier play as a dummy key forward and tag Bock? With Clark spending more time in the ruck. Very harsh on Stiller though.
Collier fits in nicely down back in Roe's spot.
Copeland more likely to play up forward as a leading target and defensive forward.
Tommy C is a good inclusion. Good luck!
dmac_55
19 Jun 2008, 18:30
Polks gets another game.. Leigh needs to throw him in the thick of the action and give him some TOG.. Great to show some confidence in a young fella.. Although i didnt think Chinnys game was that bad..
Looks like Proud must continue to get used to being tagged in the QAFL... At least then when he gets to AFL he knows how to stop the tight techniques...
Berger out, is a dissapointment imo.. We could have used him in there and push Charmo forward.. Anyway overall pretty happy to see another debut.. (4th for the season)
madvass
19 Jun 2008, 18:30
I was hoping for Henderson instead of Collier as he has proven to play down back and if needed, we could have swung him up forward.
X_box_X
19 Jun 2008, 18:31
Lethal should be ashamed of himself dropping one of your best players from last week. Stiller had 25 touches and used the ball well.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 18:39
Lethal should be ashamed of himself dropping one of your best players from last week. Stiller had 25 touches and used the ball well.
Ashamed of himself?
Oh ____ off!
You don't know what role Stiller was given... I dare say he's been dropped for a reason.
jackess
19 Jun 2008, 18:40
Gill back for the crows good match up for Patful i reckon
B: Johncock, Rutten, Bassett
HB: McLeod, Bock, Doughty
C: van Berlo, Thompson, Knights
HF: Douglas, Gill, Vince
F: Porplyzia, Tippett, Burton
R: Maric, Goodwin, Edwards
Inter: Shirley, Stevens, Jericho, Reilly
Emerg: Symes, Dangerfield, Hentschel
In: Gill, Reilly, Burton
Out: Griffin (hip), Otten, Mackay
Rise_up_Stiffy
19 Jun 2008, 18:52
Good ins for us. In Gill we have a hard working CHF which straightens us up nicely, and along with Burton given us that extra bit of 'X-factor'. Rielly is underrated and slots into the midfield nicely. I'm hoping Maric has a good game and nullifies your quite large ruck advantage. I honestly can't see us losing this one, even up at the Gabba.
Crows by 15
Dylan12
19 Jun 2008, 18:58
Based on Adelaide's 3 seasoned inclusions (Gill has been around a while) and our outs and the probable out of Travis Johnstone coupled with the fact we have a few nobodies in our team (not in the derogatory sense (Polkinghorne, Collier)) but I don't see how we can possibly win this.
I hadn't even heard of the outs for the Crows, except for Griffen. With them omitting two kids (Otten, Mackay) the rest of their squad is relatively seasoned and ours looks very stretched. Our team selected for this week reminds me of teams b/w 05-07.
By all means I hope we win, but the Gabba hardly scares any team, the least of which includes the Crows who have won their past 2 there. To be honest, I just don't see it and can't believe that injuries again are threatening our season.
Good luck boys, think we will need every ounce of it. I am just wishing I got some of that $3.80 or whatever the Crows were paying - would easily have put down a few K with those odds considering both sides selected.
Very harsh on Stiller though.
Yeah
What's Selwood got that Stiller hasn't?
Sigh...I guess they know what they're doing.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 19:07
Based on Adelaide's 3 seasoned inclusions (Gill has been around a while) and our outs and the probable out of Travis Johnstone coupled with the fact we have a few nobodies in our team (not in the derogatory sense (Polkinghorne, Collier)) but I don't see how we can possibly win this.
I share your lack of optimism, but if you look at the match thread for our game against West Coast last year, the situation is remarkably similar. (We had two first gamers in that one, Leuey and Hamill).
That game just shows that you never know.
I am just wishing I got some of that $3.80 or whatever the Crows were paying - would easily have put down a few K with those odds considering both sides selected.
I'd never be able to bring myself to bet against our boys no matter how juicy the odds were for the opposition.
But I hear what you're saying.....that $3.80 on offer for the Crows was clearly ridiculous, even if by some miracle Roe and Bradshaw had come up.
Adelaide should be clear favorites in my book:(
I share your lack of optimism, but if you look at the match thread for our game against West Coast last year, the situation is remarkably similar. (We had two first gamers in that one, Leuey and Hamill).
That game just shows that you never know.
True....... but from memory, the Toasters also had one or two significant outs for that game. (Cousins and/or Kerr?). Playing at home and with the Lions record at Subi they probably still thought they were in for an easy day at the office.
I'm afraid there will be no chance of the Crows taking any complacency into this game, especially after their good showing against the Hawks last week, where they were stiff to lose after leading for nearly all of the game.
Therein lies the difference, I believe.
Yup agree with you tbd, Copeland as leading forward to give Clark a run through the middle. Our rucks seem to have the edge over there's but it's at either end where they look really strong.
We all know about their back-line, but with Burton and Gill in for them that really boosts their forward line. They've got height and flexibility with Tippett to go in the ruck and the bird man up the wing. All in all a pretty strong team.
We needed Collier in to cover one of their talls, he's a very good replacement for Roe. Hope we see some of what he's been showing in the ressies, love his dash and has pretty good disposal from what I've seen.
Polkinghorne kept his spot ahead of Stiller AND Harding. Must be something about match-ups/structure surely. He can be an option up forward for us as a small marking type, as well as go into the middle if need be. Leigh is showing a lot of faith in this kid, must see a lot to like about him.
JasRulz63
19 Jun 2008, 19:18
True....... but from memory, the Toasters also had one or two significant outs for that game. (Cousins and/or Kerr?).
Cousins didn't play like the first 15 games that season, so it wasn't like he was out for just that game. From what I rememeber, Judd, Kerr and Priddis got heaps of it.
Cousins didn't play like the first 15 games that season, so it wasn't like he was out for just that game. From what I rememeber, Judd, Kerr and Priddis got heaps of it.
Fair 'nuff.
I was overseas at the time of that huge upset and the mind was a little befuddled from one or two too many Guinesses:o
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 19:33
Their forward line has too many options... I have faith in our backline to hold their own but they need support from the midfield this week.
We have to win the midfield battle to have a chance in this one.
Charman must fire!
Homer Jnr
19 Jun 2008, 19:35
Bushy is back!!!!
Hopefully he gets a good chance up forward to take some pressure off Brown and Clark, will be good to see Collier get a run too.
If Johnstone drops out, does Proud come in? If so, watch out Wynnum, Acuguy will be over the moon!
Grimreepah
19 Jun 2008, 19:40
I remember a couple of years ago Marcus Allen was one of our few fit players on the senior list, but the Lions kept promoting rookies instead of playing him.
It's a similar thing with Proud - keeps getting named on the emergency list and just when you think he is due someone else jumps the cue.
Anyway good to see Collier get a run. He's a good replacement for Roe, but I thought Hammo said he was on light duties so I didn't think he was a chance.
Gabbatoir
19 Jun 2008, 20:26
Did anyone else see this article? (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sport/afl/story/0,27046,23884914-5016169,00.html)
BRISBANE'S injury pain is at least another week from easing with Daniel Bradshaw, Travis Johnstone and Jason Roe out of Saturday's game. The Lions have yet to field their best 22 this season and look like having to wait until after the split round (round 14) before they are at full strength.
Co-captain Nigel Lappin had hoped to push for selection in the reserves this week but walked off the track for treatment on his injured achilles tendon shortly after the session started last night.
Bradshaw, Scott Harding and Michael Rischitelli missed last Saturday's 63-point loss to the Bulldogs while Roe and Johnstone were injured during the match.
Rischitelli has recovered from a cork and is set to resume and Harding will press for selection after overcoming a sore knee.
But Bradshaw, Roe and Johnstone were unable to complete training at Coorparoo last night and are in doubt for this weekend's clash with the Crows. They did running drills away from the main group with first-year utility Tom Collier.
Lions coach Leigh Matthews said despite the importance of the clash, and the importance of Bradshaw and Johnstone to the team, he would not pick anyone who wasn't 100 per cent.
"We never play anyone we don't think is alright. If the medical people clear them, then the conditioning people have to clear them. If they both clear them, then we have to make the decision on whether they play," he said.
"Scott Harding didn't play on the weekend but he was virtually cleared to play by the conditioning people.
"We just weren't quite sure about how his knee would cope if he fell on it again. So we decided to leave him out of the team even though he had virtually been given the all-clear.
"That was one example of when the match committee made the decision."
Matthews said the cost of Bradshaw's absence could not be counted in goals alone.
"You can lose confidence in your forwards. If you're coming through the middle of the ground and your forwards are getting the ball then you will kick it in more readily," he said.
"However, if you kick the ball inside 50 and your forwards don't get it, the ball can bounce out the other side of the ground where your opponent is. Then you start thinking that you have to maintain possession and begin to second guess yourself. That cycle has and always will exist.
"We're not expecting or assuming Daniel will be right for this week either. I think he is extremely unlikely."
I wrote Copeland's career off prematurely, we need a hard leading option in the absence of Bradshaw. Will Copeland be the old style footballer that is handy in certain circumstances and hence is kept on the list?
Collier is a great inclusion, from what i have seen on AFLQtube he is going to be a tall dashing defender, i will never forget seeing Leppa play for the Wests in the qafl in the late90's as a defender and the way he dashed out of defence was a sight to behold. Collier looks a player!
I am not touching the Selwood issue apart from saying Matthews must have a good match up for him, not sure who because the Crows mids are strong overhead and Troy isn't.
I am glad Polks has been given another chance, i really like the way he moves, to me he looks like a very clean player with the ball, he seems to be a one touch footballer.
Stiller being dropped is interesting, i rate him highly and think confidence is his problem.
As for Proud, i am sure he will replace Johnstone in the selected side. TJ couldn't possibly come up after last week when he was only willing to kick on his non preferred side.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 20:32
Did anyone else see this article? (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sport/afl/story/0,27046,23884914-5016169,00.html)
Yeah Grim posted it.
Old Den
19 Jun 2008, 21:11
Watching AFL Teams on the TV and they had McDonald playing in the half back line complete with Beau's photo in the diagram
Oh! isn't it great to be flying under the radar
Dylan12
19 Jun 2008, 21:12
I'd never be able to bring myself to bet against our boys no matter how juicy the odds were for the opposition.
But I hear what you're saying.....that $3.80 on offer for the Crows was clearly ridiculous, even if by some miracle Roe and Bradshaw had come up.
Adelaide should be clear favorites in my book:(
I did it...spewing I didn't get on earlier in the week, but got Crows for $2.85. First time I have bet against the Lions. Either way, I will be a winner come Saturday night; a Lions win (although down a fair quid & if the mrs finds out, an earful) or alot of extra $$'s. I am sure it would be a shallow feeling though.
JB_for_PM
19 Jun 2008, 21:16
We have Brown, all we need is another good capable player leading out from full forward.
Old Den
19 Jun 2008, 21:22
The phiI did it...spewing I didn't get on earlier in the week, but got Crows for $2.85. First time I have bet against the Lions. Either way, I will be a winner come Saturday night; a Lions win (although down a fair quid & if the mrs finds out, an earful) or alot of extra $$'s. I am sure it would be a shallow feeling though.
The philosophy is - Lions win....worth the money - Crows win.... you don't come away empty handed - almost a win/win position
black_hart
19 Jun 2008, 21:25
Glad to see Collier finally getting a spot & hopefully we'll see something of why we drafted him with our second pick.
Dylan12
19 Jun 2008, 21:29
The phi
The philosophy is - Lions win....worth the money - Crows win.... you don't come away empty handed - almost a win/win position
Exactly, but god do I feel dirty!
campbell
19 Jun 2008, 21:29
Good to see Robbie back. hope he plays in the forward line.
I wonder if Proud will come in for Johnstone?
Good to see Robbie back. hope he plays in the forward line.
I wonder if Proud will come in for Johnstone?
Good point. TJ must be really doubtful....and has been named in a forward pocket.
Cousin Jed
19 Jun 2008, 22:28
Anyway good to see Collier get a run. He's a good replacement for Roe, but I thought Hammo said he was on light duties so I didn't think he was a chance.
I knew I wasn't going mental and had read that somewhere.
Good point. TJ must be really doubtful....and has been named in a forward pocket.
Gets named there alot. That said, I don't think he will play.
Chasing the Dream
19 Jun 2008, 22:29
I remember a couple of years ago Marcus Allen was one of our few fit players on the senior list, but the Lions kept promoting rookies instead of playing him.
It's a similar thing with Proud - keeps getting named on the emergency list and just when you think he is due someone else jumps the cue.
Anyway good to see Collier get a run. He's a good replacement for Roe, but I thought Hammo said he was on light duties so I didn't think he was a chance.
Albert Proud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Allan
Warwick
19 Jun 2008, 23:15
Jamie Charman - your time is now.
Up against one young and fairly average ruckman this week.
Another below par performance and he has to go.
Jamie Charman - your time is now.
Up against one young and fairly average ruckman this week.
Another below par performance and he has to go.
Certainly is - and his hitout to advantage has to be much much much higher than it has been. For us to be any hope we're going to have to get the ball from the ruck contests - Charman has to ensure that - we were smashed last week after doing so well for the past few weeks.
If we can get back to this we're a third of the way there... Our back third is OK, its the front third which causes me the most concern for this week..
Pedro the Lion
19 Jun 2008, 23:56
Very excited to see Collier's debut.
I'd bring in Henderson if TJ doesn't get up. Adds a third tall option in the forward line or someone else to try down back if required.
fightingdreamer88
20 Jun 2008, 00:47
Our forward set up is the X Factor this week. Tippett, Gill, Burton, Porplyzia, Douglas, Jericho. Flair, unpredictability and major mobility there. Plus Goodwin, Vince and McLeod able to rotate through there. Looks somewhat potent for a change.
Brenton Davy
20 Jun 2008, 00:47
Jamie Charman - your time is now.
Up against one young and fairly average ruckman this week.
Another below par performance and he has to go.
Maric had a good one last week and looks in pretty good nick and can take a good grab up forward. Tippet is learning the craft but should not be underestimated. Charman is a bit overrated in my book. That we smashed the hawks mids in clearances bodes well for this week.
lions_den
20 Jun 2008, 00:57
Should leave no one on Tippett and entice them to kick it to him as he is little chance of kicking it:thumbsu:
Adelaide players are all deceptively strong overhead for their size like Voss was.
Charman will be close to our best on Saturday night, he loves the responsibility of rucking 85 percent of the game and i don't think he benefits at all from sharing the duties 60-40
topjars
20 Jun 2008, 08:29
Should leave no one on Tippett and entice them to kick it to him as he is little chance of kicking it:thumbsu:
:D He's just as likely to take some criticism onboard and kick a few this week.
I was right behind his first attempt on goal last week, twenty meters out, Joel Garner run up and dropped the ball from his chin...shocker.
He is competitive though and pretty handy below his knees for such a big bloke.
Top write up in the OP by the way:thumbsu:
campbell
20 Jun 2008, 10:13
Adelaide players are all deceptively strong overhead for their size like Voss was.
Charman will be close to our best on Saturday night, he loves the responsibility of rucking 85 percent of the game and i don't think he benefits at all from sharing the duties 60-40
Hope he has a strong game for us.
I am looking forward to seeing Tippett play. I also love Bock.
I hope Craig has a brain fart in this game and leaves Browny un attended for the last quarter. lol.
jackess
20 Jun 2008, 14:13
After Collier debuts this week there will only be 4 on the senior list yet to debut (Tyler, Sheldon, Austin and Dalziell) So I wonder whether or not by the end of the season if all players on the senior list will debut. And also looking ahead its going to be tough at the end of the season delisting players especially with Begley being elevated.
Grimreepah
20 Jun 2008, 14:59
Albert Proud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Allan
Just to be clear I wasn't comparing their ability.;)
Actually what I think is happening is that there is a plan of blooding the youngsters to a) see how they go; and b) give them a taste. With a number of players knocking on the door, it's not always about picking who is knocking the loudest, but giving them all a go to see who can step up.
Pedro the Lion
20 Jun 2008, 15:07
Can't see this posted already but apologies if it is.
Just heard on the radio that Johnstone and Sherman have been ruled out due to injury. In for them is Henderson and Stiller.
TheBrownDog
20 Jun 2008, 15:15
Can't see this posted already but apologies if it is.
Just heard on the radio that Johnstone and Sherman have been ruled out due to injury. In for them is Henderson and Stiller.
Damn, Johnstone's skills would have been handy against the Crows...but I was always sceptical he was fit for this week.
Bad luck for Shermo too.
Grimreepah
20 Jun 2008, 15:16
Makes things a lot tougher. We'll have 3 first year players in the team.
TheBrownDog
20 Jun 2008, 15:17
Makes things a lot tougher. We'll have 3 first year players in the team.
I've got to admit its exciting to see Hendo come in though. Really have high hopes for the bloke. I wonder where he will play.
Brown, Henderson, Copeland, Hooper & Corrie is a decent and fairly unpredictable forward line. Clark and Charmo floating forward...
Quigley
20 Jun 2008, 15:24
I remember a couple of years ago Marcus Allen was one of our few fit players on the senior list, but the Lions kept promoting rookies instead of playing him.
It's a similar thing with Proud - keeps getting named on the emergency list and just when you think he is due someone else jumps the cue.
Anyway good to see Collier get a run. He's a good replacement for Roe, but I thought Hammo said he was on light duties so I didn't think he was a chance.
What surprised me most over the last few weeks was that Proud was not even being named in the emergencies (this week excluded).
Station Hendo at full forward with Bushy beside him. Play Browny in his now customary role between 30-60m from goal. Rhan to play alongside Browny, doubling back to contests. Corrie to move out of the forward line and into the midfield rotation more often.
One thing I would caution against is thinking that Browny should try and run Rutten around. Rutten's endurance and mobility are vastly underrated.
Don Logan
20 Jun 2008, 15:31
Sherman, Johnstone out - In Stiller, Henderson.
Shermo hurt his back last night. Doing what is anyone's guess:p
TheBrownDog
20 Jun 2008, 15:32
Sherman, Johnstone out - In Stiller, Henderson.
Shermo hurt his back last night. Doing what is anyone's guess:p
Cheers Don. But you've been out-scooped by about 20 minutes this time. ;)
Don Logan
20 Jun 2008, 15:34
Cheers Don. But you've been out-scooped by about 20 minutes this time. ;)
Yeh, saw that. :)
haven't seen you at training for a while TBD??
TheBrownDog
20 Jun 2008, 15:35
Yeh, saw that. :)
haven't seen you at training for a while TBD??
Uni exams etc.
Will be there next week.
Cousin Jed
20 Jun 2008, 15:39
Bugger.
Hamstrings and back related hamstrings
_____ the Gabba cricket pitches.
Grimreepah
20 Jun 2008, 15:43
I've got to admit its exciting to see Hendo come in though. Really have high hopes for the bloke. I wonder where he will play.
You'd imagine it'd be Collier down back, Clark in the ruck and Hendo up forward. It's going to be tough against the Crows though, and if Brown plays up the ground he could find himself up against Rutten. Sounds scary, but if we can avoid wrestling contests Hendo might be able to cause some problems on the lead. The important thing though will be finding cohesion, because the Crows will eat dysfunctional forward lines for breakfast.
We do have a bit of flexibility though, so if it's not working we can move Clark, Hendo, Brennan, etc around to try different setups.
Don Logan
20 Jun 2008, 16:07
Bugger.
Hamstrings and back related hamstrings
_____ the Gabba cricket pitches.
Word is Sherman 'tweaked it' in the weights room
As reported by the ABC (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/20/2281043.htm). I feel for Nig. One of the nicest blokes going.
Johnstone, Sherman to miss Crows clash Posted 47 minutes ago
Brisbane Lions midfielders Travis Johnstone and Justin Sherman have been ruled out of Saturday night's clash with the Crows at the Gabba.
Johnstone has failed to recover from a hamstring strain, while Sherman hurt his back during a weights session.
They have been replaced by Cheynee Stiller and Lachlan Henderson.
Assistant coach Paul Hudson says the side is still hurting after being out tackled in last week's disappointing loss to the Bulldogs.
"Credit to the Bulldogs the way they are doing it at the moment," he said.
"They did apply tremendous pressure to us, so they knew they had to get better in that area and were able to do it, so I personally think it's a hiccup the guys have got more pride than that.
"They want to bounce back this week and really attack the players with some vigour."
Meanwhile Lions Nigel Lappin's hopes of making a comeback in the reserves this week were dashed on Wednesday night when he limped from training after re-injuring his achilles.
Hudson says it is a big blow for the triple premiership player.
"He is frustrated, even a one-week injury niggle gets very frustrated so you can imagine what this is like," he said.
"He tends to dwell on it, he's been talking to a lot of people and trying to deal with thi
jackess
20 Jun 2008, 16:23
Surely Brisbane can't still be big time favourites now with 3 first year players in the side against a team who was top four last week.
lionbear
20 Jun 2008, 16:25
I think this has to swing me to thinking the Crows will win now.
jackess
20 Jun 2008, 16:33
We need to remember the Geelong game though, with better footballers missing the Lions put in a huge effort so despite missing a few brisbane can definately still win
Marc Shmurf 3
20 Jun 2008, 16:43
hey guys, this has nothing to do with dream team/super coach, but can you guys tell me why Luenberger keeps getting the flick. I can tell you knowing Teddy Richards pretty well, when he was continually getting dropped from the Essendon side, he lost confidence in himself, and was always second guessing what was needed to be done. Now look at him.
I understand that igger blokes take longer to develop, and there is no doubt that he will be a genuine star, but for the mere fact that you have no genuine 2nd ruckman, my thoughts would be that he just learn from his mistakes in the ones and develop that way. Im sure that Lethal knows what his doing, but from someonefrom the outside, what is he doing wrong???
thanks guys.
By the way this game is going to be a close one. Hopefully the lastest outs dont hurt you that much...
cheers
Murf
We need to remember the Geelong game though, with better footballers missing the Lions put in a huge effort so despite missing a few brisbane can definately still win
I said that last week. :(
This is going to be a tight contest. I think the footballing world is going to make some assessments about both teams based on this contest. We were (somewhat) flavour of the month a couple of weeks ago. 1 average and 1 poor performance and I think experts are reconsidering their views. Likewise, people seem to be waiting for Adelaide's big wheel to fall off.
notting18
20 Jun 2008, 16:50
hey guys, this has nothing to do with dream team/super coach, but can you guys tell me why Luenberger keeps getting the flick. I can tell you knowing Teddy Richards pretty well, when he was continually getting dropped from the Essendon side, he lost confidence in himself, and was always second guessing what was needed to be done. Now look at him.
I understand that igger blokes take longer to develop, and there is no doubt that he will be a genuine star, but for the mere fact that you have no genuine 2nd ruckman, my thoughts would be that he just learn from his mistakes in the ones and develop that way. Im sure that Lethal knows what his doing, but from someonefrom the outside, what is he doing wrong???
I posted this in another thread, but I will repeat it here.
1. He gets more game time under his young legs in the 2s.
2. He isn't "punished" by big ruckman week after week if he is rotating between 1s and 2s.
3. Charman has proven to be a better performer when given a heavier ruck load and the same is true for Leuenberger - he takes a while to get into games as a ruck as he is still developing.
4. Clark is much better suited to the "relief ruckman" role as he is an alright ruckman, but very flexible in other positions he can play as well as being slightly better around the ground than Leuenberger currently.
Plenty of reasons for Leuenberger not playing 1s (but form issues won't be high on the list).
TheBrownDog
20 Jun 2008, 16:50
hey guys, this has nothing to do with dream team/super coach, but can you guys tell me why Luenberger keeps getting the flick. I can tell you knowing Teddy Richards pretty well, when he was continually getting dropped from the Essendon side, he lost confidence in himself, and was always second guessing what was needed to be done. Now look at him.
I understand that igger blokes take longer to develop, and there is no doubt that he will be a genuine star, but for the mere fact that you have no genuine 2nd ruckman, my thoughts would be that he just learn from his mistakes in the ones and develop that way. Im sure that Lethal knows what his doing, but from someonefrom the outside, what is he doing wrong???
thanks guys.
By the way this game is going to be a close one. Hopefully the lastest outs dont hurt you that much...
cheers
Murf
A few points...
1. What happened to the rule that key position kids take years to get up to AFL standard? Leuenberger has played 18 senior games in his first one and a half seasons, seems impressive to me.
2. What is better 80 percent gametime in the reserves or 20 percent game time in the seniors?
3. No genuine second ruckman? I'd suggest if Carlton had even a genuine 1st Ruckman, Kreuzer would be playing his share of reserves football too.
4. Why does Hampson keep getting 'the flick'... blah blah bad for his confidence.... blah blah Ted Richards... blah blah.
Warwick
20 Jun 2008, 16:52
I am staggered with some of the changes this week.
Now we have replaced Johnstone with Henderson. :confused:
Disappointed I missed out on Adelaide at 3.80 to win by less than 39.5. They had come in a bit when I went down to the TAB.