View Full Version : Does essendon have a player under 23 who is even comparible in talent to Trent Cotchin?
Checkers
19 Jun 2008, 00:26
Title says it all
Checkers
19 Jun 2008, 00:28
Not sure how to put a poll in so just answer yes or no.
About an argument im having with a mate.
Barnsey3150
19 Jun 2008, 00:37
If we finish bottom 2 like u did then we will next year :D
Can't compare him when he hasn't even played 10 games of football. He does look good though.
UpTheGuts
19 Jun 2008, 01:51
bit of a bay 13 q...
Essendon will have a guy comparable in talent to Cotchin come November anyway. To argue that they don't is unfair, though Gumbleton hasn;t lost any of his talent - we just haven't been able to see it yet
McManus2Waterhouse
19 Jun 2008, 01:52
yea gumbleton
Quick question. Has any Essendon supporter under 23 seen their club win a wooden spoon?
Help me anybody?
ThunderPower_14
19 Jun 2008, 02:30
Yay we can tank for draft picks.
PK Le Grand
19 Jun 2008, 08:26
Brent Stanton. Bachar Houli. Patty Ryder. Kyle Reimers. Sam Lonergan. Jay Neagle. David Myers. Tom Hislop. Scott Gumbleton. Courtenay Dempsey. Darcy Daniher. Leroy Jetta. Angus Monfries. Jobe Watson just turned 23.
So yes. Ample players.
walkers a legend
19 Jun 2008, 09:55
Brent Stanton. Bachar Houli. Patty Ryder. Kyle Reimers. Sam Lonergan. Jay Neagle. David Myers. Tom Hislop. Scott Gumbleton. Courtenay Dempsey. Darcy Daniher. Leroy Jetta. Angus Monfries. Jobe Watson just turned 23.
So yes. Ample players.
Talent wise none of them are better than Cotchin.
Centurion
19 Jun 2008, 10:02
Talent wise none of them are better than Cotchin.
You would know would you? David Myers alone will step over Cotchin.
walkers a legend
19 Jun 2008, 10:27
You would know would you? David Myers alone will step over Cotchin.
Well i have seen Myers play last year back at the Perth FC so i know a bit about how he plays and imo Cotchin has more to offer talent wise.
Centurion
19 Jun 2008, 10:32
Well i have seen Myers play last year back at the Perth FC so i know a bit about how he plays and imo Cotchin has more to offer talent wise.
Furry muff. To be honest im impressed with Myers although i still think his not exactly ready for AFL atm. You will probably see more next year and Cotchin looks ready made. Thats probably the difference at this stage.
Richo88
19 Jun 2008, 11:13
Furry muff. To be honest im impressed with Myers although i still think his not exactly ready for AFL atm. You will probably see more next year and Cotchin looks ready made. Thats probably the difference at this stage.
Cotchin certainly wasn't a ready made player. He had no pre-season played 2 games in the reserves before he was started in the first team. His probably playing at around 60-70 percent capacity so although this poll was just an all out troll cothin certainly has more talent then myers.
Centurion
19 Jun 2008, 11:17
Cotchin certainly wasn't a ready made player. He had no pre-season played 2 games in the reserves before he was started in the first team. His probably playing at around 60-70 percent capacity so although this poll was just an all out troll cothin certainly has more talent then myers.
Myers is in the same bracket. From what ive seen he is playing at 40% at the moment. We will continue to argue all day about who has more talent or not but what ive seen by both they are very talented youngsters.
DTHitman
19 Jun 2008, 12:48
Kyle Reimers owns the ____ out of cotchin....
Talent wise none of them are better than Cotchin.
The question was comparable. The answer is yes there are a few that are comparable. Ryder, Gumbleton and Myers all may end up as good or better.
Lloydy4Pope
20 Jun 2008, 11:04
Talent wise none of them are better than Cotchin.
How can you 'rate' someone after 6 games?? Jason Cloke was a superstar half way through season '02 but didnt play the grand final or anything after that...
Benchwarmer77
20 Jun 2008, 11:40
Kyle Reimers owns the ____ out of cotchin....
I think u must be dazed by those boots of his.....
gumbleton has as much potential of being a gun if he can stop getting injured
jimmy.h
20 Jun 2008, 13:34
Brent Stanton. Bachar Houli. Patty Ryder. Kyle Reimers. Sam Lonergan. Jay Neagle. David Myers. Tom Hislop. Scott Gumbleton. Courtenay Dempsey. Darcy Daniher. Leroy Jetta. Angus Monfries. Jobe Watson just turned 23.
So yes. Ample players.
Monfires would struggle to get a game at about 12 clubs.
Ryder and Reimers I'll agree with.
Myers and Gumbleton probably will too.
windaaa68
26 Jun 2008, 17:52
noone at essendon will be as good as cotchin. lonergan and myers will be great for the club though, cotchin will be the next superstar
High Ryder
26 Jun 2008, 18:01
Monfires would struggle to get a game at about 12 clubs.
Ryder and Reimers I'll agree with.
Myers and Gumbleton probably will too.Try again ;)
bomber69
26 Jun 2008, 19:11
In talent, Gumbleton certainly compares. And he probably has more potential at this stage
TheGeneral
26 Jun 2008, 19:28
Would it be fair to say Jetta if he worked harder and was taller than 176 to 178 cms tall?
There were huge wraps on Jetta's talents and he was favoured to go early by many internet experts, but he fell to pick 18.
mellowyellow
26 Jun 2008, 20:15
Quick question. Has any Essendon supporter under 23 seen their club win a wooden spoon?
Help me anybody?
Dont worry its just around the corner..so enjoy.
Centurion
26 Jun 2008, 21:15
Dont worry its just around the corner..so enjoy.
lol, and you base this on what? There are some talented comedians on this site. :thumbsu:
bipolarbeaR
26 Jun 2008, 21:15
Monfires would struggle to get a game at about 12 clubs.
Another big headed Geelong poster? NO WAY!?
bipolarbeaR
26 Jun 2008, 21:17
In talent, Gumbleton certainly compares. And he probably has more potential at this stage
I am hoping he turns out to be another Lucas :)
windaaa68
26 Jun 2008, 22:04
I am hoping he turns out to be another Lucas :)
hopefully he is lucas mach 2, with significant upgrades in the handball and opposite side of body functions. i love watching lucas swing to his left and people still get done by it, morons
Ryder Is God
26 Jun 2008, 22:15
Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta
Reimers and Myers too possibly.
Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta
Reimers and Myers too possibly.
the question is talent not age.
dave_27
27 Jun 2008, 09:15
I dont think Cotchin has done that much more than Myers. :confused:
Knight Ryders
27 Jun 2008, 09:53
This is silly question because so much can change over the years. Who would have seen Ablett Jnr become what he has become even two years ago?
I'll have a crack at it anyway. Cotchin has ability but doesn't have the speed to make a super champ, so I'll say there potentially are some players under 23 at Essendon who could be comparable with Cotchin or even better. Myers is a good start, Houli has already shown he is a ball magnet and has great poise, we haven't seen Gumbleton, but gun big forwards are usually more desirable to have in your team than gun midfielders and who knows what Dempsey could do if fit with all that skill and pace.
What is the point of this poll? Essendon never had a chance to even draft Cotchin.
Ryder Is God
27 Jun 2008, 12:51
the question is talent not age.
EpIc LoLsZ!
bomberstomake8
27 Jun 2008, 13:20
What is the point of this poll? Essendon never had a chance to even draft Cotchin.
exactly why are richmond bragging?
they bottomed out last year got a low pick, any club in richmonds position would have done the same
i dont think its anything to brag about..
your still always going to be a medicre club.. by the time cotchin starts performing well boom there goes richo... oops we are now back down the bottom again
NewBabyBombaz
27 Jun 2008, 13:44
I think a lot of football experts, and sports writers believe that Patrick Ryder is an incredible talent, probably best up and coming defender in the comp and is amazingly athletic, Cothchin has played a few good games, but you can't compare the pair just yet, also Reimers looks damm good, a young akermanis!
TheGeneral
27 Jun 2008, 14:34
Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta
Reimers and Myers too possibly.
LOL.
Reimers is not comparable to Akermanis or even Cotchin.
Cotchin might be more like Aker due to his rare ability to hit targets on both sides on the run. :)
jetta2davey
27 Jun 2008, 16:47
houli, jetta, myers, gumbleton, ryder and reimers.
All our other young players are going to be damn fine players but don't have the talent that cotchin posesses. The 6 that i mentioned do.
Centurion
27 Jun 2008, 17:14
LOL.
Reimers is not comparable to Akermanis or even Cotchin.
Cotchin might be more like Aker due to his rare ability to hit targets on both sides on the run. :)
Maybe not comparable to Aka, but what's Cotchin done so far to deserve such praise? Do not get fooled by numbers in the draft. James Hird pick 79 ring a bell? Reimers will make a lot of people eat their words :thumbsu::)
tigers_of_old_08
27 Jun 2008, 17:27
Was that a trick question?
bomber69
27 Jun 2008, 18:25
LOL.
Reimers is not comparable to Akermanis or even Cotchin.
Cotchin might be more like Aker due to his rare ability to hit targets on both sides on the run. :)
Funny, seeing how Reimers ran riot against your lot:thumbsu:
BacharHouli_43
27 Jun 2008, 18:33
Paddy Ryder is an awesome talent, just has to find and cement a position. Ryder's talent is unquestionable though
Big Blow Hard
27 Jun 2008, 18:45
More potential players at Essendon IMO than Richmond. Richmond have a handful of good players, one star who is on his last roll of the dice in Richo, and alot of mediocre players. Don't be too sold on your apparent improvement Tigers, you are still a very average team, and will be so for mr years than Essendon.
Benchwarmer77
28 Jun 2008, 21:26
More potential players at Essendon IMO than Richmond. Richmond have a handful of good players, one star who is on his last roll of the dice in Richo, and alot of mediocre players. Don't be too sold on your apparent improvement Tigers, you are still a very average team, and will be so for mr years than Essendon.
Carry on...
Cotch has more talent in his little finger than any Bummers youngsters :D
Big Blow Hard
28 Jun 2008, 21:28
Wank, Wank. Nice job today by the way!
sneakydaycrawler
29 Jun 2008, 00:03
Gumbleton
thebigboy
29 Jun 2008, 11:49
The question should be " Does Richmond have any talent under 23 apart from Cotchin?"
Much Easier question. No.
hendo8888
29 Jun 2008, 18:55
Players who would be there abouts to Cotchin (considering Cotchin was pick 2 he really should be better than any of them) are Stanton, Reimers, Myers, and maybe Ryder
Carlton_Blues
2 Jul 2008, 09:59
where's the poll?
TheGeneral
2 Jul 2008, 10:17
The question should be " Does Richmond have any talent under 23 apart from Cotchin?"
Much Easier question. No.
Essendon Bombers 10.12 72
Richmond Tigers 16.14 110
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
The question should be "Does wearing orange boots and being an angry ant make up for a lack of class?".
Knight Ryders
2 Jul 2008, 16:19
Are you still sad that we took you to the cleaners a couple of weeks ago? Reimers reimed supposedly A class player in Scotland and good average player in Monfries tore Carrazzo a new ........
The real interesting point could be in three-four years if Richmond can truly get their crap together and see all three of the clubs vying for top four spots. How good would that be? There'd be a fair few supporters up and about then!!!
Centurion
3 Jul 2008, 09:55
Essendon Bombers 10.12 72
Richmond Tigers 16.14 110
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
The question should be "Does wearing orange boots and being an angry ant make up for a lack of class?".
Geez one games proves it all doesn't it? Its too obvious you hate Essendon so your bias shouldn't allow you to even squeak.
The question should be "are you a tool?"
Essendon Bombers 10.12 72
Richmond Tigers 16.14 110
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
The question should be "Does wearing orange boots and being an angry ant make up for a lack of class?".
No, but luckily he has that too.
Ryder Is God
3 Jul 2008, 21:45
Essendon Bombers 10.12 72
Richmond Tigers 16.14 110
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
The question should be "Does wearing orange boots and being an angry ant make up for a lack of class?".
Essendon's kids are better than yours then considering we beat you twice this season with a side full of kids.
Also, if you want to question Reimers class then rewatch the round 13 game and see Reimers pick up a half volley in the wet and nail a perfect pass to Jetta which led to a goal to Monfries. ;)
He's a better kick than Murphy who couldn't kick over a jam tin. :o :rolleyes:
He's a better kick than Murphy who couldn't kick over a jam tin. :o :rolleyes:
Agree.
All "reimered" and organge boots jokes aside he is a very classy footballer is Reimers.
His footskills are damaging.
Top_4_Tiger
4 Jul 2008, 00:40
I rate Essendon's kids pretty highly, but none of them come close to The Cotch.
Gumbleton? No way.
Cotchin is a top draft pick who is exceeding all expectations and looks like a Judd/Ablett hybrid elite talent.
It's a game of depth though, so luckily Richmond have the depth of talented youngsters to go with our elite gun.
Essendon nearly have sufficient depth, they are 2 years behind us though and therefore about 6-10 kids behind in the rebuilding process.
You also need to unearth at least 1 unstoppable freak of nature before you can be a premiership threat (we missed Buddy, but landed THE COTCH!)
:D
In all seriousness, I watch a lot of the Bombers and even read up on their team board a fair bit. They're heading in a strong direction and with 2 more draft (plus 1 elite talent like Cotch or Buddy) and they'll be a serious threat in 5 years (it takes 7-8 years using the method of rebuild they - and us - have chosen, but that is for another thread).
AxelFoley#5
4 Jul 2008, 12:04
I rate Essendon's kids pretty highly, but none of them come close to The Cotch.
Gumbleton? No way.
Cotchin is a top draft pick who is exceeding all expectations and looks like a Judd/Ablett hybrid elite talent.
It's a game of depth though, so luckily Richmond have the depth of talented youngsters to go with our elite gun.
Essendon nearly have sufficient depth, they are 2 years behind us though and therefore about 6-10 kids behind in the rebuilding process.
You also need to unearth at least 1 unstoppable freak of nature before you can be a premiership threat (we missed Buddy, but landed THE COTCH!)
:D
In all seriousness, I watch a lot of the Bombers and even read up on their team board a fair bit. They're heading in a strong direction and with 2 more draft (plus 1 elite talent like Cotch or Buddy) and they'll be a serious threat in 5 years (it takes 7-8 years using the method of rebuild they - and us - have chosen, but that is for another thread).
Bookmark this......
dirtywhitepacker
4 Jul 2008, 16:55
Originally Posted by TheGeneral http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11579399#post11579399)
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
Ok, they can play. But are they really that far ahead of our bunch of youngsters?
Foley (22) > or = Watson (23)
Deledio (21) = Stanton (22)
Morton (21) = Monfries (21)
Thursfield (22) = Nash (22)
Cotchin (18) > or = Myers (19)(I honestly think this could go either way)
Hughes (21) = or < Neagle (20)
Moore (24) < Ryder (20)
Rance (18) = Pears (18)
Raines (22) = Houli (20)
Tambling (21) > or = Davey (24)
White (21) = Daniher (18)
Connors (19) < Reimers (19)
Riewoldt (19) < Gumbleton (19)
Then there's still Hislop (20), Hocking (20), Dempsey (21) and Lonergan (21) who have shown promise in their injury plagued starts to their AFL careers. All this is just my biased opinion. And probably doesn't weigh that heavily.
My answer to the original post, Yes, Essendon do have players that are "comparible" in "talent" to Trent Cotchin. These being Gumbleton, Ryder, Reimers and Myers.
Title says it all
____ me it must be hard being a richmond supporter when all you have to talk about is a guy at the end of his career and a guy who has played less than 10 games
Big Blow Hard
4 Jul 2008, 17:33
[quote=Top_4_Tiger;11597889]I rate Essendon's kids pretty highly, but none of them come close to The Cotch.
Gumbleton? No way.
Cotchin is a top draft pick who is exceeding all expectations and looks like a Judd/Ablett hybrid elite talent.
quote]
Umm, no. He may be meeting expectations, but he has hardly exceeded them. Top 4 picks expected to make an impact almost straight away these days. And a Juddlett? You really are ahead of yourself.:rolleyes:
sausageroll
4 Jul 2008, 17:56
Ok, they can play. But are they really that far ahead of our bunch of youngsters?
Foley (22) > or = Watson (23)
Deledio (21) = Stanton (22)
Morton (21) = Monfries (21)
Thursfield (22) = Nash (22)
Cotchin (18) > or = Myers (19)(I honestly think this could go either way)
Hughes (21) = or < Neagle (20)
Moore (24) < Ryder (20)
Rance (18) = Pears (18)
Raines (22) = Houli (20)
Tambling (21) > or = Davey (24)
White (21) = Daniher (18)
Connors (19) < Reimers (19)
Riewoldt (19) < Gumbleton (19)
Then there's still Hislop (20), Hocking (20), Dempsey (21) and Lonergan (21) who have shown promise in their injury plagued starts to their AFL careers. All this is just my biased opinion. And probably doesn't weigh that heavily.
My answer to the original post, Yes, Essendon do have players that are "comparible" in "talent" to Trent Cotchin. These being Gumbleton, Ryder, Reimers and Myers.
Jetta not worthy of a mention?
Ok, they can play. But are they really that far ahead of our bunch of youngsters?
Foley (22) > or = Watson (23) Agree. Foley ahead by a couple of lengths
Deledio (21) = Stanton (22) Deledio is ahead as he is outperforming Stanton and he is one year younger.
Morton (21) = Monfries (21) agree.
Thursfield (22) = Nash (22) Thursfield quite easily
Cotchin (18) > or = Myers (19) Cotchin definitely ahead
Hughes (21) = or < Neagle (20) agree. Similar performances this year but Hughes is a whole year older.
Moore (24) < Ryder (20) agree.
Rance (18) = Pears (18) agree.
Raines (22) = Houli (20) Hard to tell Houli is coming along nicely but Raines came top 3 in the rising star in 2006 but didn't really kick on. Fairly even.
Tambling (21) > or = Davey (24) Davey is a better small forward but Tambling is the better midfielder.
White (21) = Daniher (18) Completely different players a better comparison is White (21)= Lonergan (21)
Connors (19) < Reimers (19) I agree. I am not sure what has happened to Connors though
Riewoldt (19) < Gumbleton (19) Agree. I really like Reiwoldt though.
Edwards(19)=Jetta (19)
Then there's still Hislop (20), Hocking (20), Dempsey (21) who have shown promise in their injury plagued starts to their AFL careers. All this is just my biased opinion. And probably doesn't weigh that heavily.
My answer to the original post, Yes, Essendon do have players that are "comparible" in "talent" to Trent Cotchin. These being Gumbleton, Ryder, Reimers and Myers.
Both teams have promising kids but will also have to deal with the loss of some quality older players. I will take Essendon because I barrack for them.
dirtywhitepacker
4 Jul 2008, 18:57
Yeah, probably should have put Jetta amongst that list. Although to be honest I'm not sold on him yet. He really has only had one good game and that was against Carlton, not saying much. I know he's had injuries and all, I do hope he kicks on and develops and becomes something special. But I'm not seeing it yet...
Yeah, probably should have put Jetta amongst that list. Although to be honest I'm not sold on him yet. He really has only had one good game and that was against Carlton, not saying much. I know he's had injuries and all, I do hope he kicks on and develops and becomes something special. But I'm not seeing it yet...
He won us the game against Fremantle. Having OP and then a niggling hamstring injury did not allow him to play his natural game for most of the year. He will be a very good player for us.
the PILL
5 Jul 2008, 03:39
LOL at richmond where talented stars go to and don't get anywhere?
hes a 6 gamer ... lets see how he handles it once he's worked out a bit by other teams...
Essendon Bombers 10.12 72
Richmond Tigers 16.14 110
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
The question should be "Does wearing orange boots and being an angry ant make up for a lack of class?".
No, it just adds more class
Geez one games proves it all doesn't it? Its too obvious you hate Essendon so your bias shouldn't allow you to even squeak.
The question should be "are you a tool?"
And the answer has to be YES!
thebigboy
5 Jul 2008, 13:13
Essendon Bombers 10.12 72
Richmond Tigers 16.14 110
Foley, Deledio, Morton, Thursfield, Cotchin, Hughes, Moore(24), Rance, Raines, Tambling, White, Connors and Riewoldt can play.
The question should be "Does wearing orange boots and being an angry ant make up for a lack of class?".
Wow Carlton finally win a game for the first time in 5 years and now there paying out teams that lose to richmond.
geelong_crazy26
5 Jul 2008, 17:51
i think Gumbleton is a better prospect then Cotchin is, watching this kid in the national under 18's i was a huge wrap for him.
Can you please tell me what Cotchin has done to suggest he is going to be a superstar? had an ordinary carnival last year and has not had a game over 20 possessions this year, I would also rate Palmer a mile ahead of Cotchin so far this year, Gumbleton has just had an unfortunate run with injuries, with a pre-season under his belt come next year expect him to perform well.
Tigersman
7 Jul 2008, 21:20
i think Gumbleton is a better prospect then Cotchin is, watching this kid in the national under 18's i was a huge wrap for him.
Can you please tell me what Cotchin has done to suggest he is going to be a superstar? had an ordinary carnival last year and has not had a game over 20 possessions this year, I would also rate Palmer a mile ahead of Cotchin so far this year, Gumbleton has just had an unfortunate run with injuries, with a pre-season under his belt come next year expect him to perform well.
I suggest you watch him play a bit and it will be obvious the kid is very, very good.