View Full Version : Campbell Brown v Daniel Pratt
In light of this Saturdays clash, which 'Hard Man' would you rather have in your team?
wolvesjr34
19 Jun 2008, 17:00
Brown cos we know he'd win a fight between the two, he'd just look at Pratt and he'd (Pratt) fall down clutching his stomach, like he just swallowed a cannonball.
The Zebra
19 Jun 2008, 17:18
They both will never shirk a contest, BUT
Pratt gets it more, he is a much better kick,he gets more contested possession, he gets more 1%ers, he gets way more inside 50s, and most importantly he gets nowhere near as many bags kicked on him when compared to Campbell.
The hawkies will shriek and point to him milking a free kick in round 3. Something that Hawks players like Cambell Brown, Sam Mitchell, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis, etc do every week - thankfully everyone doesn't have so many hysterical supporters like the hawkies.
Anyone notice Pratt dislocating his shoulder twice vs Geelong and coming back on both times? he is a tough man who always put his head over the ball, regardless of what is coming at him.
Pratt is the superior player. The Aull Australian selectors got it wrong last year, and that is being proven again this year.
Carn Hawkas
19 Jun 2008, 17:23
Brown
Pratt is soft.
Leather Poisoning
19 Jun 2008, 17:28
They both will never shirk a contest, BUT
Pratt gets it more, he is a much better kick,he gets more contested possession, he gets more 1%ers, he gets way more inside 50s, and most importantly he gets nowhere near as many bags kicked on him when compared to Campbell.
The hawkies will shriek and point to him milking a free kick in round 3. Something that Hawks players like Cambell Brown, Sam Mitchell, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis, etc do every week - thankfully everyone doesn't have so many hysterical supporters like the hawkies.
Anyone notice Pratt dislocating his shoulder twice vs Geelong and coming back on both times? he is a tough man who always put his head over the ball, regardless of what is coming at him.
Pratt is the superior player. The Aull Australian selectors got it wrong last year, and that is being proven again this year.
All bullshit aside - I think you're talking about C Brown from a few years ago. The blokes disposal, decision making etc is top rate now. Takes more marks backing into traffic than anyone in the league, no exaggerration.
Funnily enough Browny also copped a shoulder injury in a match, was running off because he'd popped the thing out, but came across a contest and still launched for the mark (backing into oncoming traffic) and got crunched again.
Also, if you saw the hawks/crows elim final last year when Browny lauched himself into the goalpost trying to stop a goal you'd see what a maniac the guy is.
CyberKev
19 Jun 2008, 17:32
They both will never shirk a contest, BUT
Pratt gets it more, he is a much better kick,he gets more contested possession, he gets more 1%ers, he gets way more inside 50s, and most importantly he gets nowhere near as many bags kicked on him when compared to Campbell.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Brown edges him for contested possessions and 1%ers, beats him for marks, lays more tackles, has more bounces, makes considerably less errors...
The Zebra
19 Jun 2008, 17:33
All bullshit aside - I think you're talking about C Brown from a few years ago. The blokes disposal, decision making etc is top rate now. Takes more marks backing into traffic than anyone in the league, no exaggerration.
His disposal is good (as is Pratt's) but he doesn't have the depth of kick that Pratt has. Pratt Clears 50 very easily.
Funnily enough Browny also copped a shoulder injury in a match, was running off because he'd popped the thing out, but came across a contest and still launched for the mark (backing into oncoming traffic) and got crunched again.
Also, if you saw the hawks/crows elim final last year when Browny lauched himself into the goalpost trying to stop a goal you'd see what a maniac the guy is.
No argument from me that Brown is tough. So is Pratt.
Pratt is just a better overall player. Rarely (if ever) beaten and offers more going the other way.
Leather Poisoning
19 Jun 2008, 17:37
Pratt is just a better overall player. Rarely (if ever) beaten and offers more going the other way.
That's showing a fair bit of bias.
Likewise I think Brown is a much better player.
At the risk of turning this to a discussion on popular opinion - has Pratt ever been awarded all-australian?
The Zebra
19 Jun 2008, 17:44
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Brown edges him for contested possessions and 1%ers, beats him for marks, lays more tackles, has more bounces, makes considerably less errors...
Only if you are looking at a D grade amateur site like pro-stats.
According to champion data, Pratt gets more contested possession and more 1%ers, Brown has more marks and more bounces and Pratt has more disposals.
Brown has slightly better disposal efficiency (86% to 82%), Pratt has double the inside 50s and more goal assists.
Leather Poisoning
19 Jun 2008, 17:50
Only if you are looking at a D grade amateur site like pro-stats.
According to champion data, Pratt gets more contested possession and more 1%ers, Brown has more marks and more bounces and Pratt has more disposals.
Brown has slightly better disposal efficiency (86% to 82%), Pratt has double the inside 50s and more goal assists.
Speaking of d-grade stat sites, champion data claimed that the hawks have the worst forward line in the league.
I'd argue that it's not really pratt's job to be assisting goals. Sure, run off your man and be creative, but when your backline has 2 blokes in the top 3 for goals against, shouldn't he be hanging around the backline a bit more?
The Zebra
19 Jun 2008, 18:01
Speaking of d-grade stat sites, champion data claimed that the hawks have the worst forward line in the league.
You guys still sore about that? It was done over three years - why is it so hard to understand that it would work against a forward line involving a couple of 21 years olds who only really started to make an impact last year?
I'd argue that it's not really pratt's job to be assisting goals. Sure, run off your man and be creative, but when your backline has 2 blokes in the top 3 for goals against, shouldn't he be hanging around the backline a bit more?
He does both.
Without Pratt's rebound, Spud and Gibbo would be in even more trouble.
Pratt is better of course.
Zebra has posted everything everyone needed to know.
That's showing a fair bit of bias.
Likewise I think Brown is a much better player.
At the risk of turning this to a discussion on popular opinion - has Pratt ever been awarded all-australian?
Should have got it last year.
northern lights
19 Jun 2008, 18:32
Browns hard just ask the window at the seven-elven....wanker
Leather Poisoning
19 Jun 2008, 21:53
He does both.
Without Pratt's rebound, Spud and Gibbo would be in even more trouble.
Well that's a glass-half-full approach!
Dippers_Mullet
19 Jun 2008, 22:26
North supporters vote for the Pratt.
Everyone else votes for Brown.
Surprise surprise.
McManus2Waterhouse
19 Jun 2008, 22:32
so its a bit like the hodge vs judd polls then
gopower
19 Jun 2008, 22:33
I'd take both at Port but Brown is better.
Roowards
20 Jun 2008, 00:12
pratt is better than brown but only just!!!:thumbsu::thumbsu:
TipTruck
20 Jun 2008, 02:36
I love Browny but Pratt has been better
North supporters always give me a chuckle. Just ask them about Daniel Wells.
This isn't even a fair poll.
Brown by a fair distcance.
tazhawk
20 Jun 2008, 11:02
Daisy Thomas is tougher than ..................... Daniel (Turtle) Pratt.
For those North Nuffies that say Pratt is better than Brown, we know you are only joking.
Last time I looked Brown was an AA and played for the big V this year.
What has Pratt ever done, he is a week to week proposition to hold his place in a middle of the road side.
Hodgepodge
20 Jun 2008, 13:30
Campbell Brown by a fair distance . . . the only problem with CB is that he doesn't match up well on talls or smalls, needs a medium sized player like a matty lloyd . . . i'd use him as a floating defender myself cos he doesn't mind getting crunched
Pratt plays the loose man in defence ok. Thats where he will be tomorrow 20 metres in front of Buddy.
Campbell Brown usually takes the best or second best forward no matter how tall or short and usually wins.
Brown easily.
Murphinator
20 Jun 2008, 13:51
Brown is way better in all aspects than that softc*ck Pratt
Pratt plays the loose man in defence ok. Thats where he will be tomorrow 20 metres in front of Buddy.
Campbell Brown usually takes the best or second best forward no matter how tall or short and usually wins.
Brown easily.
Pratt plays looseman?
Learn.
Daisy Thomas is tougher than ..................... Daniel (Turtle) Pratt.
For those North Nuffies that say Pratt is better than Brown, we know you are only joking.
Last time I looked Brown was an AA and played for the big V this year.
What has Pratt ever done, he is a week to week proposition to hold his place in a middle of the road side.
3rd in the BnF in a side that finished higher than Hawthorn.
Yeah, hack.
Dippers_Mullet
21 Jun 2008, 02:40
Keep trying Crazy.
You aint convincing anyone.
The Zebra
22 Jun 2008, 11:19
If ever there was going to be stark example of who is better, it was yesterday.
I like Campbell, but he is severely overrated.
As I have told you, Pratt is better.
If ever there was going to be stark example of who is better, it was yesterday.
I like Campbell, but he is severely overrated.
As I have told you, Pratt is better.
1 game doesn't make a career.:rolleyes:
You really have got your hand on it at the moment.
Didn't Christmas day finish for you yesterday.
The Zebra
22 Jun 2008, 11:32
1 game doesn't make a career.:rolleyes:
You really have got your hand on it at the moment.
Didn't Christmas day finish for you yesterday.
Huh?
I thought I was saying the same thing last week.
He punches above his weight, but the fact is he concedes a lot more goals and has less offensive capacity than Pratt.
It is fact.
bender22
22 Jun 2008, 13:10
Huh?
I thought I was saying the same thing last week.
He punches above his weight, but the fact is he concedes a lot more goals and has less offensive capacity than Pratt.
It is fact.
And yet Brown is just a better footballer. Fact.
Eel_storm
22 Jun 2008, 13:24
Brown has been disappointing this year, he was great last week against Adelaide, but i wonder what his role is these days . . . we can't keep relying on him to take big forwards . . . i'd have him as a back pocket from now on.
jacko57
22 Jun 2008, 13:25
Brown is way better in all aspects than that softc*ck Pratt
Didn't watch yesterday's game did you?
Did you see Pratt panic when he was about to be tackled, and handpass straight to an opponent for a gift-wrapped goal?
No, but someone else did that............. :D
Eel_storm
22 Jun 2008, 13:28
This is like the Shane Birss vs Wayne Carey thread . . . anyway the poll results show that Brown is the better man. End of.
bender22
22 Jun 2008, 13:28
Didn't watch yesterday's game did you?
Did you see Pratt panic when he was about to be tackled, and handpass straight to an opponent for a gift-wrapped goal?
No, but someone else did that............. :D
Even so - Brown > Pratt - FACT.
jacko57
22 Jun 2008, 17:22
Even so - Brown > Pratt - FACT.
sorry to break the news, but your opinion isn't necessarily fact.
I love the way Hawks fans say 'Brown is better than Pratt, because he made AA last year'. (Well done to the boy.) Then they turn around and say 'Buddy is better than Mooney, he should have been AA last year'.
Spot the logical inconsistency?
bender22
22 Jun 2008, 20:48
sorry to break the news, but your opinion isn't necessarily fact.
I love the way Hawks fans say 'Brown is better than Pratt, because he made AA last year'. (Well done to the boy.) Then they turn around and say 'Buddy is better than Mooney, he should have been AA last year'.
Spot the logical inconsistency?
Find me 1 sane, non-north melbourne supporting person that will say that Pratt should have gotten the AA nod ahead of Brown last year.
Now try and find a non Hawthorn supporting person that thinks Buddy should have made AA last year.
I Guarantee you will find alot more people for the second case then the first.
Your "logical inconsistency" is a load of crap.
Anti Gold Coast
22 Jun 2008, 21:38
The thing is, that we're not talking about last year.
Find me one person, that can look at Campbell Brown's statistics this year, match them up with Daniel Pratt's, and then say 'Campbell Brown is better.'
Pratt was 1/2 the player last year that he is now. He's more consistant, a better defender and a much better kicker.
FACT
bender22
22 Jun 2008, 23:11
The thing is, that we're not talking about last year.
Find me one person, that can look at Campbell Brown's statistics this year, match them up with Daniel Pratt's, and then say 'Campbell Brown is better.'
Pratt was 1/2 the player last year that he is now. He's more consistant, a better defender and a much better kicker.
FACT
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=110&pid1=200165&tid2=107&pid2=581
Daniel Pratt VS Matthew Scarlett:
18.5 Disposals 14.5
11.9 Kicks 8.2
5.4 Marks 2.4
6.6 Handballs 6.3
1.1 Tackles 1.9
0.9 First Possessions 0.1
1.0 Clearances 0.2
1.6 Inside 50s 1.4
8.4 Rebound 50s 3.2
1.1 Contested Possessions 0.5
So going by the stats, Daniel Pratt is a better defender than Matthew Scarlett this year?
There are different types of defenders princess. With different roles. Campbell Brown is better at his role than Daniel Pratt is. FACT
The Zebra
22 Jun 2008, 23:21
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=110&pid1=200165&tid2=107&pid2=581
Daniel Pratt VS Matthew Scarlett:
18.5 Disposals 14.5
11.9 Kicks 8.2
5.4 Marks 2.4
6.6 Handballs 6.3
1.1 Tackles 1.9
0.9 First Possessions 0.1
1.0 Clearances 0.2
1.6 Inside 50s 1.4
8.4 Rebound 50s 3.2
1.1 Contested Possessions 0.5
So going by the stats, Daniel Pratt is a better defender than Matthew Scarlett this year?
There are different types of defenders princess. With different roles. Campbell Brown is better at his role than Daniel Pratt is. FACT
There are different defenders with different roles, but Pratt and Campbell play very similar roles. It is just that Brown concedes more goals and has less offensive capabilities.
And seriously, you sound like a wanker putting your try hard 'princess' in every second post.
Anti Gold Coast
22 Jun 2008, 23:26
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=110&pid1=200165&tid2=107&pid2=581
Daniel Pratt VS Matthew Scarlett:
18.5 Disposals 14.5
11.9 Kicks 8.2
5.4 Marks 2.4
6.6 Handballs 6.3
1.1 Tackles 1.9
0.9 First Possessions 0.1
1.0 Clearances 0.2
1.6 Inside 50s 1.4
8.4 Rebound 50s 3.2
1.1 Contested Possessions 0.5
So going by the stats, Daniel Pratt is a better defender than Matthew Scarlett this year?
There are different types of defenders princess. With different roles. Campbell Brown is better at his role than Daniel Pratt is. FACT
Yep, their position is to conceed less goals, and Daniel Pratt does that.
This is for humour right? (a joke). I would have Browny ahead of Pratt by the length of the straight.....
the score at the moment is 75 - 29 in Brown's favour...Thats a good result from Pratt's view.
FugaziRoo
23 Jun 2008, 00:06
This is for humour right? (a joke). I would have Browny ahead of Pratt by the length of the straight.....
the score at the moment is 75 - 29 in Brown's favour...Thats a good result from Pratt's view.
Thats because all you Hawthorn ____heads have voted for him and have probably opened up 3 or 4 other accounts and voted for him again and again!! Trust me, Hawthorn supporters do go to these lengths to try to get their point across!
croady_fan24
23 Jun 2008, 00:07
Brown too tough for weak pratt.
FugaziRoo
23 Jun 2008, 00:10
Brown too tough for weak pratt.
Why? Because he collided into a goal post that had more padding around it than his old man?
croady_fan24
23 Jun 2008, 00:13
Why? Because he collided into a goal post that had more padding around it than his old man?
No because Pratt is a pussy:p
bender22
23 Jun 2008, 00:29
And seriously, you sound like a wanker putting your try hard 'princess' in every second post.
Touch a nerve did i Nancy?
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Anti Gold Coast
23 Jun 2008, 01:16
Touch a nerve did i Nancy?
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Methinks you support a team that didn't win on the weekend.
1 game doesn't make a career.:rolleyes:
You really have got your hand on it at the moment.
Didn't Christmas day finish for you yesterday.
Well if it did finish, does that mean we get 2 Christmas' a year?
Hawks are ____en soft.
Keep trying Crazy.
You aint convincing anyone.
Convince?
Nah man, all you need to know is Pratt is better.
Harder.
Faster.
Stronger.
And North beat your pussy team, again.
budge11
23 Jun 2008, 11:31
Campbell Brown has a really, really good handball
The Zebra
23 Jun 2008, 11:42
Touch a nerve did i Nancy?
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Yeah mate, touched a nerve using the same term that every ________ on bigfooty uses and it wasn't even directed at me.
I am just trying to give you some friendly advice - people who use the term princess over and over sound like absolute, try hard tough, wankers.
kirbatron
23 Jun 2008, 11:47
Pratt is a good footballer.
Brown is better.
1 game doesn't make a career.:rolleyes:
It's funny y'know. I kept hearing this from Hawthorn supporters last year after Corey Jones kicked a quiet 7 on him. On top of that, he was then moved to the forward line where he was shit on by Pratt. :)
Didn't Christmas day finish for you yesterday.
Huh? :confused:
Christmas day? We beat Hawthorn. Believe me, it's not that big a deal for us. :)
MinerBoy
23 Jun 2008, 13:13
3rd in the BnF in a side that finished higher than Hawthorn.
Yeah, hack.
Brown runner up by one vote from Sewell.
Brown runner up by one vote from Sewell.
so based on b&fs you would same the quality of their seasons were about the same.
3rd in a 3rd placed team
2nd in a 6th placed team.
so why are people saying it is ridiculous to sat pratt is better or could have been AA last year?
The Cryptkeeper
23 Jun 2008, 17:30
Lots of very delusional North Melbourne supporters on here.
Lots and lots of 'em.
Stewie Griffin
23 Jun 2008, 23:57
85 to 37. Danielle Twatt isn't doing to well is he.
cbreban
23 Jun 2008, 23:59
I'd take Pratt.
jacko57
24 Jun 2008, 00:08
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=110&pid1=200165&tid2=107&pid2=581
Daniel Pratt VS Matthew Scarlett:
18.5 Disposals 14.5
11.9 Kicks 8.2
5.4 Marks 2.4
6.6 Handballs 6.3
1.1 Tackles 1.9
0.9 First Possessions 0.1
1.0 Clearances 0.2
1.6 Inside 50s 1.4
8.4 Rebound 50s 3.2
1.1 Contested Possessions 0.5
So going by the stats, Daniel Pratt is a better defender than Matthew Scarlett this year?
There are different types of defenders princess. With different roles. Campbell Brown is better at his role than Daniel Pratt is. FACT
They're both good at handpassing to Brent Harvey.
FACT! :D
Anti Gold Coast
24 Jun 2008, 00:53
85 to 37. Danielle Twatt isn't doing to well is he.
Twatt and Pratt don't rhyme.