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adey115
19 Jun 2008, 19:40
25 Disposals last week, dropped this week.
Thought there were a lot worse in the side last week....
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 19:48
Statsurbation causes blindness.
Grimreepah
19 Jun 2008, 19:50
His disposal is decent and his defensive side seems to good enough. Can only think it is a lack of pace that is the issue.
Still the axe swings more vigorously when you lose, and when you get belted anything can happen.
I wouldn't have thought there was all that much upside left in Stiller's game so I'm not sure where this leaves his career.
But yeah, he's a bit stiff.
TheBrownDog
19 Jun 2008, 19:52
Maybe this stat tells more of a story.
Tackles: 1
The Lions gameplan seems very dependent on midfield pressure... maybe Stiller isn't meeting that requirement.
KungFooSing
19 Jun 2008, 19:58
Maybe this stat tells more of a story.
Tackles: 1
The Lions gameplan seems very dependent on midfield pressure... maybe Stiller isn't meeting that requirement.
:thumbsu:
That and his decision making is poor poor poor.
konstas_87
19 Jun 2008, 22:10
His disposal is decent and his defensive side seems to good enough. Can only think it is a lack of pace that is the issue.
Still the axe swings more vigorously when you lose, and when you get belted anything can happen.
I wouldn't have thought there was all that much upside left in Stiller's game so I'm not sure where this leaves his career.
But yeah, he's a bit stiff.
that's a matter of personal opinion, because i think those were his weaknesses V the Dogs.
he lacked intensity as well (although he usually does even when playing well).
Old Den
19 Jun 2008, 22:24
Well...the ball is in Stiller's court - competition is tough for spots now despite some injuries - get advice from the coaches - know the weaknesses that need improvement,then work like hell to become a BETTER player in all aspects of the game
I know that sounds somewhat condescending but IMO it's the simple truth that successful people figure out or learn from mentors and resolve to do the hard work
Warwick
19 Jun 2008, 23:09
Poor decision.
I think we have to start rewarding those who get the bloody ball and not just those who are second to it but provide "great pressure".
Stiller is twice the player Copeland is.
possum8
20 Jun 2008, 01:05
Can only think it is a lack of pace that is the issue.
Most of our team lack pace. TJ for example gets caught many times with the ball trying to get out of trouble.
That and his decision making is poor poor poor.
I don't believe his decision making is terrible.It looks much worse when you have a non-existent forward line and no one is presenting. I do agree with the assessment of his tackling though.
Still really stiff to be dropped.
Grimreepah
20 Jun 2008, 01:34
Just for the record Dal Santo had 28, 27 and 17 disposals in his last three games and he got dropped too.
I think Stiller has been played out of position for the last 12 months, he is a forward of the ball winger, not a half back line footballer, Stiller's greatest strength is his positional play, he is one of those blokes that always seems to find space and does his best work in space, he isn't an inside footballer. We actually need a bloke like Stiller playing like when he first came into the team, i think he is best suited as a goal kicking wingman. Keep him out of the traffic and we will see a damaging footballer. Every team needs some down hill skiers
N.Eagleton- Best down hill skier in history!
Poor decision.
I think we have to start rewarding those who get the bloody ball and not just those who are second to it but provide "great pressure".
Stiller is twice the player Copeland is.
I'm presuming Copeland's coming in as a forward (hopefully) for Leuenberger, with the Clark positional change-up. Riska returned, Stiller lost his spot is how I read the ins/outs.
campbell
20 Jun 2008, 11:44
I'm presuming Copeland's coming in as a forward (hopefully) for Leuenberger, with the Clark positional change-up. Riska returned, Stiller lost his spot is how I read the ins/outs.
I hope so. he filled that role well last season.Depends on how much game time he has, I suppose.
I wonder why Leuy was dropped?
notting18
20 Jun 2008, 11:51
I wonder why Leuy was dropped?
1. He gets more game time under his young legs in the 2s.
2. He isn't "punished" by big ruckman week after week if he is rotating between 1s and 2s.
3. Charman has proven to be a better performer when given a heavier ruck load and the same is true for Leuenberger.
4. Clark is much better suited to the "relief ruckman" role as he is an alright ruckman, but very flexible in other positions he can play as well as being slightly better around the ground than Leuenberger currently.
Plenty of reasons for Leuenberger not playing 1s (but form issues won't be high on the list).
I hope so. he filled that role well last season.Depends on how much game time he has, I suppose.
I wonder why Leuy was dropped?
I think the answer's as simple as it was earlier in the year: at this point in time, Clark is a more valuable utility player doubling as a backup ruck. The only reason I can see for Leuey to come in last week was because of the effort to play Clark up forward, and since that didn't seem to work out it's back to the usual structure with Copeland up forward now instead. At least that's how I'm reading it.
Warwick
20 Jun 2008, 16:53
I wonder why Leuy was dropped?
That's pretty obvious to most.
It's the only change I have agreed with.
adey115
20 Jun 2008, 18:49
And in the end, Stiller is a late addition.
I thought he had actually performed better than others last week. Teams need hard ball getters and open space players, and of the open spacers I thought Stiller was pretty good. In the end due to injuries, he's back in after being out.
As part of the other discussions in this thread, I actually thought Mitch Clark looked fairly lost up forward last week. At the moment he seems to be more suited to the 2nd Ruckman, roaming HB line player....
Bushy must be in to be the forward guy, like he was midseason last year.
Maybe this stat tells more of a story.
Tackles: 1
The Lions gameplan seems very dependent on midfield pressure... maybe Stiller isn't meeting that requirement.
Has also had zero 1%'ers in his 6 games this year just to ratify the above point.
Old Den
21 Jun 2008, 19:32
It all reinforces my point that the ball is in his court
Was omitted - now back in due to injury to other players
I like Stiller's style - I have had and still do have high hopes for his future - always been a bit of a ball magnet - needs to work hard on the weaker parts of his game that caused him to be omitted after plenty of possessions last week - he wasn't omitted because the coach didn't like his new hairdo IMO
KungFooSing
21 Jun 2008, 23:01
Grrrrrr again.
He has lost his for want of a better word 'crispness'. It must be a confidence problem! He is a lot better than what we are seeing. I say persist with the lad!
notting18
21 Jun 2008, 23:10
Down in a few areas eg. that out of bounds kick, but he seemed to be trying harder with the defensive side of his game. We all know he can run and dispose of the ball quite well even if he is slightly out of form at the moment. I'm not sure about his stats but i saw him spoil a few times, etc which is the side to his game that has the biggest question mark.
madvass
22 Jun 2008, 00:20
My opinion, he's a great loose ball get, but a bad hard ball get.
My opinion, he's a great loose ball get, but a bad hard ball get.
Absolutely, but you need receivers in your team
TheBrownDog
22 Jun 2008, 01:47
Absolutely, but you need receivers in your team
Yeah, but Johnstone's skills will give him that spot over Stiller when fit. Cheynee may need to re-invent himself.
Grimreepah
22 Jun 2008, 02:07
If Stiller was struggling to make the senior team before tonight's game, I wouldn't have thought his chances are any better now. Will make way IMO.