View Full Version : Selwood vs Boak
bringbackbucky
20 Jun 2008, 14:52
Does anyone else wonder what might've been when they see Joel Selwood tearing it?
I know it seems a bit harsh on Travis, and he is fast becoming one of my favourite players, but Selwood looks exactly like the hard bodied mid-fielder we are crying out for.
Most 'experts' rated him as clearly the second best mid in the draft (behind Gibbs) and most mock drafts had us taking him at at number 5 - when we called Travis Boak it was a genuine surprise to all concerned. Did the recruiters make the right decision or we will live to regret?
Personally, I think both will be fantastic players and Boak possibly has more polish and upside about him but if I was picking on a needs basis, I reckon Joel would get the gig...
Ebert80
20 Jun 2008, 14:58
Been discussed a thousand times. We've got Boak, he's a quality player and young bloke, i don't really see a point in recommencing the debate again about which one we should have selected, as its all in the past, and the club needs to move forward.
MannumPower
20 Jun 2008, 15:03
there are many "what could have beens", personally I think Boak has been a great pick up and will serve the club well. Just be thankful we are not freo supporters because there are alot more drafting stuff ups over at that club
wharfie_1870
20 Jun 2008, 15:06
Does anyone else wonder what might've been when they see Joel Selwood tearing it? .......Does anyone else wonder what the world would be like without hypothetical situations :p
As others have said, we've got Boak and he is a quality young player.
Forzaport
20 Jun 2008, 15:11
Couldn't be happier with Boak, gun player. If we drafted a dud instead of selwood then it would be a different story, but we didn't. We drafted a very very good 10year midfielder.
johnnypanther
20 Jun 2008, 15:13
Too early to call - revisit in a few years
This is rather reminiscent of the Dal Santo v Reilly debate at the AFC
and countless other comparisons we could do over the years
PJ Power
20 Jun 2008, 15:15
I think people are being harsh on this thread.
Facts are that Selwood is head and shoulders above any other draftee from his group at this stage of their careers.
Travis has found it tougher in recent weeks and I'm a little concerned that we are not seeing enough inside play from him - a characteristic that also seems to have vanished from Salopek's game over the years.
Boak is still going to be a very, very good player, but for the sake of his development, Choco should allow him to spend more time in the centre square rather than out on the wing. The same applies to Salopek, Pearce and dare I mention his name, Thomson.
FishingRick04
20 Jun 2008, 15:20
I think people are being harsh on this thread.
Facts are that Selwood is head and shoulders above any other draftee from his group at this stage of their careers.
Travis has found it tougher in recent weeks and I'm a little concerned that we are not seeing enough inside play from him - a characteristic that also seems to have vanished from Salopek's game over the years.
Boak is still going to be a very, very good player, but for the sake of his development, Choco should allow him to spend more time in the centre square rather than out on the wing. The same applies to Salopek, Pearce and dare I mention his name, Thomson.
Not only do Port have to look at skill but personality also. Perhaps there was a risk with Selwood that he would seek a go home factor and perhaps they thought Boak would be a person more likely to stay?
Selwood is also in a gun team and even though he carries his own eg contested possessions against Port he still has the ability to be among a cluster of great on ballers similar to Brisbane and West Coast from season gone by.
Travis looks more than capable and I for 1 and quite happy with the selection.
wharfie_1870
20 Jun 2008, 15:20
I think people are being harsh on this thread.....To who? To Selwood :confused:
Who knows, if Selwood came to Port Choco might have turned him into an outside player or maybe just let him rack up BOG's in the SANFL.
TheFridge
20 Jun 2008, 16:30
I thought the controversy was us not taking James Sellar with pick 5?:D
Boak is a gun, Selwood is a gun. For mine Selwood has been clearly the best draftee from 2006 draft with Gibbs and Boak being the next best and countless others from the 2006 draft going really well also. Can't argue with the results from a Port perspective, really.
Those ratings will probably change in time, considering the development of picks 2-4 in Leuenberger (could well end up the best of the lot for mine), Gumbleton and Hansen.
It must also be remembered that the "slipping" of Selwood from the very top 2 or 3 picks related to concerns about his shoulder and the fact he hadn't played a lot of football in 2006. Having already picked up a defacto first round KPP F/S pick in hawkins, the Cats had a bit more appetite to take the perceived risk with Selwood.
Checkers
20 Jun 2008, 16:32
Boak is good and if he played for a Melbourne team he would be rated so much more. No point in comparing him to someone you dont/cant have. Drafting is hard and there could be many reasons why you took Boak over Selwood.
Boak is underated.
bringbackbucky
20 Jun 2008, 16:33
Been discussed a thousand times. We've got Boak, he's a quality player and young bloke, i don't really see a point in recommencing the debate again about which one we should have selected, as its all in the past, and the club needs to move forward.
I know its been discussed, just thought it was worth re-visiting in light of last weekends game...
The highly rated talls form that draft haven't exactly covered themselves in glory have they - almost glad none of them slid to us...
Powerade 08
20 Jun 2008, 16:35
It must also be remembered that the "slipping" of Selwood from the very top 2 or 3 picks related to concerns about his shoulder and the fact he hadn't played a lot of football in 2006. Having already picked up a defacto first round KPP F/S pick in hawkins, the Cats had a bit more appetite to take the perceived risk with Selwood.
Spot on.
TheFridge
20 Jun 2008, 16:41
The highly rated talls form that draft haven't exactly covered themselves in glory have they - almost glad none of them slid to us...
Actually, B-B-B, as much as I love Boak, I would feel even happier and confident in our future if Brisbane had passed on Leuenberger - I think he will be the best of the 2006 lot.
That said, coulda/shoulda/woulda, we have got Boaky and I am more than happy with that!
Revolution
20 Jun 2008, 16:49
Agree with what everyone said. Although Selwood would be handy, I'm more than happy with Boak. I think Studley may have gotten a little carried away when he said that Travis could win a Brownlow one day but it just goes to show how much he's rated within the club.
PJ Power
20 Jun 2008, 17:10
To who? To Selwood :confused:
No, harsh to the thread itself. It's a topic that will continue to be discussed over the next ten years while these two gun kids go around. I see no problem with discussing their relative merits.
bringbackbucky
20 Jun 2008, 17:21
Actually, B-B-B, as much as I love Boak, I would feel even happier and confident in our future if Brisbane had passed on Leuenberger - I think he will be the best of the 2006 lot.
That said, coulda/shoulda/woulda, we have got Boaky and I am more than happy with that!
Yeh, burger could well be the best of the lot. Was more referring to Hansen and Gumbleton although still too early to judge properly I know.
PJ Power
20 Jun 2008, 17:26
I have more problem with the lack of confidence shown by the coaches in Boaky by not allowing him to take on a senior midfield role while the likes of Shaun, Chad and Dom have struggled this year.
King_Tredrea
20 Jun 2008, 17:48
Boak is a gun. End of discussion.
PAFCsince1870
20 Jun 2008, 18:11
Boak is one of my favourite players, but it looks like we should have taken Selwood.
A lot can change though, it's still early days.
bomberclifford
20 Jun 2008, 20:17
I know this might sound a bit new-agey, but I reckon Boak "feels" more like he belongs at Port, both in his style of play and his character.
He was also a good pick up and exactly what we need in the long term so no need to compare him to might-have-beens.
Skeppersap
20 Jun 2008, 20:29
I thought the controversy was us not taking James Sellar with pick 5?:D
Boak is a gun, Selwood is a gun. For mine Selwood has been clearly the best draftee from 2006 draft with Gibbs and Boak being the next best and countless others from the 2006 draft going really well also. Can't argue with the results from a Port perspective, really.
Those ratings will probably change in time, considering the development of picks 2-4 in Leuenberger (could well end up the best of the lot for mine), Gumbleton and Hansen.
It must also be remembered that the "slipping" of Selwood from the very top 2 or 3 picks related to concerns about his shoulder and the fact he hadn't played a lot of football in 2006. Having already picked up a defacto first round KPP F/S pick in hawkins, the Cats had a bit more appetite to take the perceived risk with Selwood.
Very well said. There are 4 other clubs who will regret their decisions as well, but thats the draft for you.
Remember 3 years ago, everyone talked about how Hawks had stuffed up choosing Hodge over Judd. Now you wouldnt be so sure. It changes quickly.
Having said that, Joel Selwood WILL be captain of Geelong if a career ending injury does not occur. He is Geelongs best bit of drafting in a decade of successful drafting. Having read The Mission, the story of Geelong last year, Wells and Thompson could not believe their luck that Selwood had fallen so low.
I think Carlton supporters need a wake up call, Boak has been outperforming Gibbs so far. He has been very very good.
PJ Power
21 Jun 2008, 10:59
Gibbs' last month has been pretty good though. He certainly played well against us.
Loyal2Port
21 Jun 2008, 11:08
easy to play well against a guy that couldnt run, i wouldnt want gibbs instead of boak
Boak's skills > Selwood's skills.
Selwood's intesnsity > Boak's intensity.
Selwood's determination > Boak's determination.
Selwood's body is also more AFL ready than Boak's body.
Currently Selwood >>> Boak.
Long term, possibly Boak > Selwood but it will depend on how far he actually wants to go. Ball is in his court.
There is no doubt that Selwood is determined enough to go as far as his natural ability will allow him to, and then some. Has a bit of Wilson cross Kane in him.
Not sure that Boak is giving the same vibes atm.
Porthos
21 Jun 2008, 13:09
If we were going to pick a midfielder, I was in favour of Selwood at the time. Still am really, he's got the FIGJAM aura.
Going Boak over Selwood only made sense if we already had a lock-in physical clearance specialist in the middle, which I think we thought we did (and many here still do).
Just about to review expectations wrt Boak.
If he turns out to be half as good as McMahon or Tambling we should probably consider ourselves lucky. The potential is there for him to be one of our laziest players ever.
PAFCsince1870
21 Jun 2008, 19:04
Boak is so overrated by Port supporters it's not funny.
I can't believe people here can seriously defend taking Boak over Selwood at this point in time.
Not even in the same league.
Santos L Helper
21 Jun 2008, 19:05
Just about to review expectations wrt Boak.
If he turns out to be half as good as McMahon or Tambling we should probably consider ourselves lucky. The potential is there for him to be one of our laziest players ever.
That's just plain rubbish. He's in a system that encourages being lazy, and is being shown the ropes by lazy leaders.
By comparing anyone to McMahon you are suggesting they are complete rubbish, which is total bullshit.
Total Power
21 Jun 2008, 19:05
A bit harsh PAF, had a dirty day today, but in general he has been pretty good.
Black 18
21 Jun 2008, 19:06
That's just plain rubbish. He's in a system that encourages being lazy, and is being shown the ropes by lazy leaders.
By comparing anyone to McMahon you are suggesting they are complete rubbish, which is total bullshit.
Exactly :thumbsu:
Power King
21 Jun 2008, 19:08
Thought he did a couple of woeful efforts today, as well as doing some great things
all part of a learning curve, he'll be right
That's just plain rubbish. He's in a system that encourages being lazy, and is being shown the ropes by lazy leaders.
By comparing anyone to McMahon you are suggesting they are complete rubbish, which is total bullshit.
Whatever the reasons are, and mine is not to far away from yours regarding the system atm, does not come into it.
Fact is to date he has been coming across as lazy, and yes he is not alone but at the same time not every single one of our players has been lazy either. That means that if he really wanted to he could put in bigger and better efforts.
PJ Power
21 Jun 2008, 19:28
Boak was downright lazy or unfit today.
His efforts in those 50-50s late in the match were very costly. I think McMahon outplayed him (and Pearce) on several occasions.
Boak is not going as well as many here believe.
relapse
21 Jun 2008, 19:59
Will be interesting as we have had numerous digs over the years about Del Santo VS Reilly.
Macca19
21 Jun 2008, 20:06
Was pretty lazy today.
Im of the opinion that its the system as well. Weve seen last year and at times this year that he can work hard.
To be honest though, there arent many players that I wouldnt call lazy in our squad at the moment. There arent many gut runners at all. Kane, Logan, Chad, struggling after that.
Too much pointing and expecting other teammates to do the hard work. Boak is a culprit of this.
PowerKat
21 Jun 2008, 22:49
Was pretty lazy today.
Im of the opinion that its the system as well. Weve seen last year and at times this year that he can work hard.
To be honest though, there arent many players that I wouldnt call lazy in our squad at the moment. There arent many gut runners at all. Kane, Logan, Chad, struggling after that.
Too much pointing and expecting other teammates to do the hard work. Boak is a culprit of this.
He's learning from what is practically a whole side of lazy finger pointers this year
S.Patrol.G
21 Jun 2008, 23:04
Boak will be very good. Selwood will be very good. Selwood, at the moment, has the advantage of being one part of a dynamite on-ball group at Geelong. Not only will that help with his development but also gives him the opportunity to get less attention than Boak from the opposition because when a team plays Geelong there are 5-6 other class midfielders to worry about.
I'm more than happy with Boak.
dyertribe
21 Jun 2008, 23:20
Boak will be very good. Selwood will be very good. Selwood, at the moment, has the advantage of being one part of a dynamite on-ball group at Geelong. Not only will that help with his development but also gives him the opportunity to get less attention than Boak from the opposition because when a team plays Geelong there are 5-6 other class midfielders to worry about.
I'm more than happy with Boak.
Exactly.
Selwood is a very very good young player, but you could plug any half-decent young midfielder into that midfield and they'd look a million bucks.
Ford Fairlane
21 Jun 2008, 23:55
You do kind of wonder what we'd have done with Selwood by now too. Tagging? Dominating for Glenelg? Small forward?
Crow-mo
22 Jun 2008, 22:26
That's just plain rubbish. He's in a system that encourages being lazy, and is being shown the ropes by lazy leaders.
problem is, even if you're right - is that it's not easy to turn around bad habits wherever they come from.
I'm not saying he is lazy, not seen enough to make that call; but habits learnt first up can prove very difficult to shed.
OldStyle2007
23 Jun 2008, 10:00
Cats really really wanted Boak (Geelong Falcons player and local Torquay kid) so would have been interesting if both Boak and Selwood were available when the Cats had their pick
Boak is a gun don't worry about that. Hard to say if Selwood would have had the same impact at other teams if he didn't have the strength around him that he does at Geelong. Boak is getting targeted and doesn't have enough protection or leadership from the senior players