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The time is now to forget about this Port Adelaide Family crap.
Port are playing pathetic footy.
Sack Mark williams.The Williams franchise doesn't exist in the AFL.
We are shot.
Get the guts to go forward.Not backward:thumbsd:
Your argument is well presented and highly persuasive. I would also like to hear your thoughts regarding world oil prices and their affect on international trade relations.
Is it because he's not black and doesn't look like Gary McIntosh?
Just throwing it out there :cool:
The time is now to forget about this Port Adelaide Family crap.
Port are playing pathetic footy.
Sack Mark williams.The Williams franchise doesn't exist in the AFL.
We are shot.
Get the guts to go forward.Not backward:thumbsd:
have you been drinking sir?, exhale steadily into the mouthpiece until I tell you to stop!:)
I back Chocco.
He needs some fresh blood assistant wise, no question. But I trust that once the finals are out of the question (which is now) he will make changes.
He can be a little slow to see it, but Chocco has proven to make the necessary changes eventually, at least in my eyes.
Ford Fairlane
21 Jun 2008, 23:51
Williams sacked!
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05gY3Q35BVdyg/610x.jpg
hereselmo1
21 Jun 2008, 23:55
I back Chocco.
He needs some fresh blood assistant wise, no question. But I trust that once the finals are out of the question (which is now) he will make changes.
He can be a little slow to see it, but Chocco has proven to make the necessary changes eventually, at least in my eyes.
I concur
Killer Power
22 Jun 2008, 00:00
something about a baby and bathwater
I think we need to find assistants who would be able to challenge Choco rather than being yes men.
And also some special potion to make JB play to his best, not running around on 4 cylinders.
Shane_Mag
22 Jun 2008, 00:05
People say Lets sack him but who would replace him?
Is it because he's not black and doesn't look like Gary McIntosh?
Just throwing it out there :cool:
:eek::D:DNo worries FF:pMK2;)
People say Lets sack him but who would replace him?
Jason Cripps?:eek:
The replacement Coach would have to be someone from as far as Port Adelaide as you can get.:cool:
Nathan Buckley would do just fine.:thumbsu:
Jason Cripps?:eek:
The replacement Coach would have to be someone from as far as Port Adelaide as you can get.:cool:
Nathan Buckley would do just fine.:thumbsu:
Nathan wasn't Mr popular when at Port especially from Port people.But that was 15 years ago.
He is now a legend of the game and brilliant tactician.
A shoe in as Coach.
Yes! I have had a couple.:p
Campbell's Chunky
22 Jun 2008, 00:49
People say Lets sack him but who would replace him?
McGuinness?
... Yes! I have had a couple.:p
When people quote and then respond to their own posts in quick succession it usually gives it away. :D:p
McGuinness?only if Adelaide hire Chris McDermott to take over from Cwaigy
Campbell's Chunky
22 Jun 2008, 00:56
only if Adelaide hire Chris McDermott to take over from Cwaigy
:D
Nah seriously, there would be someone out there.
I'd personally look at Buckley, but given he is unlikely to be available, Hardwick.
He's been out of Port Adelaide for a few years now, and IMO will make a great coach.
powerbabe
22 Jun 2008, 10:29
People say Lets sack him but who would replace him?
I agree with you, ppl are calling for his head on a chopping block but who do we get.... to replace him?
Santos L Helper
22 Jun 2008, 10:37
:D
Nah seriously, there would be someone out there.
I'd personally look at Buckley, but given he is unlikely to be available, Hardwick.
He's been out of Port Adelaide for a few years now, and IMO will make a great coach.
I agree with you, you fruit tingled bastard. ;) Hardwick will be a gun coach, but we'll sit on our hands while one of the new teams scoops him up.
Ford Fairlane
22 Jun 2008, 11:19
The time is now to forget about this Port Adelaide Family crap.
Port are playing pathetic footy.
Sack Mark williams.The Williams franchise doesn't exist in the AFL.
We are shot.
Get the guts to go forward.Not backward:thumbsd:
A week sure is a long time in football ... ;)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454687
Some people on this site really irritate me with their un dying love for Adam Thomson and his non selection.
Mark Williams and the club are continually slandered by the self appointed"experts" from big footy who claim to have the best for Port Adelaide at heart but continually slag it off.
I believe the Coach knows what he is doing and the club have faith in the coach otherwise he would be out the door.
If you aren't happy with the PAFC?Shut the bloody hell up and go and follow the Port maggies FC or worse still the Crows.Port don't need the continual sniping from it's so called "supporters"
We are all Port supporters and although sometimes we agree to disagree at the selection table.We are only living room legends and the club is greater than any individual.:thumbsu:
One bad year and everyone is calling for Choco's head. Christ what is wrong with the supporters from our club? Sure, I'm upset that we are having a shit year but things are not really working out that well. Be optimistic and remember how good we were in 07 after we were so crap in 06 and think about how good we could be next year.
A week sure is a long time in football ... ;)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454687
OK ,ok I was pretty drunk last night and shouldn't have gone near the computer but I was awfully peeved off at another loss.:( Someone has to go.If it isn't Williams who would it be?
The club can't sit on it's hands anymore.
People say Lets sack him but who would replace him?
Cahill?
Ford Fairlane
22 Jun 2008, 12:45
One bad year and everyone is calling for Choco's head. Christ what is wrong with the supporters from our club? Sure, I'm upset that we are having a shit year but things are not really working out that well. Be optimistic and remember how good we were in 07 after we were so crap in 06 and think about how good we could be next year.
It's not one bad year now, it's three out of the last four. In 2005 we snuck into the finals as defending premier on a wing and a prayer and were duly handed our heads by Adelaide, 2006 was a debacle, 2007 you could just as easily say probably 30 seconds of football were the difference between 2nd and 8th, and now we're not flying under the radar and the opposition has cottoned onto Choco's downhill skiing, flood behind the ball, unstructured forward line approach we're back into freefall. It's not exactly confidence inspiring.
Black 18
22 Jun 2008, 12:58
^^^^^ - Like Ford said, this is soooooooooooo much more than one bad year.
Black 18
22 Jun 2008, 13:00
OK ,ok I was pretty drunk last night and shouldn't have gone near the computer but I was awfully peeved off at another loss.:( Someone has to go.If it isn't Williams who would it be?
The club can't sit on it's hands anymore.
You got that right Erical. Someone does has to go, somebody has to be held accountable. The club MUST be seen to be doing what is required.
finbarr
22 Jun 2008, 13:17
You got that right Erical. Someone does has to go, somebody has to be held accountable. The club MUST be seen to be doing what is required.
There'd be several VERY nervous 'Gear Shop' employee's & bar staff right now.
I don't know if we need a new coach, or just need Williams and the players to not be content with what they are dishing up to us week in and week out. In 2004 didn't Bucky sit in the coaches box on matchday, kinda like the sword of Damocles? That, along with assitant coaches that actually gave a shit about what was happening instead of being sycophants (yes-men to those who don't know what that means ;)) meant that Choco was held accoutable for every decision.
Where's the accountability now? Williams can do whatever he wants with no justification...and this has filtered down to the senior players. Tredrea is having a great year in some part because he is on a one year contract, and that keeps him on the edge and hungry...but mostly because he is the consumate professional and would consider it cheating if he didn't give 100% week in week out. Some of our players aren't doing that.
And neither is Williams.
Power King
22 Jun 2008, 13:51
I'd most definitely be happy with hardwick as coach.
Choco needs to feel the wrath of his superiors in order to realise that a lot of what he's doing isn't on.
edit: when i say wrath i don't mean sack, but at least be put in his place
Mark Williams deserves the chance to turn this around. If he blows that chance, then I'll volunteer to load the gun personally.
In other words, make some changes to personnel after this season and lets see where we are at this time next year. If we still having the same problems ....
bomberclifford
22 Jun 2008, 13:58
There'd be several VERY nervous 'Gear Shop' employee's & bar staff right now.
I haven't laughed much in the last 24hrs but this got me chuckling.
:D
relapse
22 Jun 2008, 14:02
Williams wont get sacked, well not at the moment. I think the Grand Final last year has given him enough credits in the bank. If port had a year like this year in 07 then Williams would be in big big trouble.
I do think there are seems to be some sort of mental issue with the players though because it seems that the players dont appear to be responding to Choco and dont appear motivated and the whole lets pull the players over to the cheer squad at 3 quarter time tactic seems to be the only rabbit in choco's hat when Port are stuggling with their motivation and spirit.
Porthos
22 Jun 2008, 14:06
AKA Choco has lost the players.
AKA Choco has lost the players.and deserves the chance to try and win them back.
Mike Rucci was just on 3aw(via 8HA) and he said Williams isn't held accountable by anyone within the club.All of the assistants are too scared to say anything negative as they fear for their jobs or told that they wouldn't know as they don't have experience to comment.
I think Brian Cunningham held him accountable?No one else seems to.:(
Santos L Helper
22 Jun 2008, 14:21
Mark Williams deserves the chance to turn this around. If he blows that chance, then I'll volunteer to load the gun personally.
In other words, make some changes to personnel after this season and lets see where we are at this time next year. If we still having the same problems ....
This was suggested in 2006, and now, two years later we're worse off. He's had his chance and he's run out of ideas.
hereselmo1
22 Jun 2008, 15:36
We are definitely not worse off since 2006, we have turned over a lot of players since then and now have a very young squad.
Chocco deserves the chance to finish the redevelopment of the list he has started and see if he can get the results we all want. Remember we really only started redeveloping our list after 2005 (we had one more crack after the flag which was fair enough). That means we are really only in our third year of redevelopment, next year will be the real test.
Mitch Power
22 Jun 2008, 15:54
He has another year of a contract and he should be given the opportunity to turn it around.
Choco and his football department need to ruthlessly review the game plan, the player list and fitness program in preparation for next season and then Boulton and James can appraise Choco this time next year.
finbarr
22 Jun 2008, 15:56
Mark Williams deserves the chance to turn this around. If he blows that chance, then I'll volunteer to load the gun personally.
In other words, make some changes to personnel after this season and lets see where we are at this time next year. If we still having the same problems ....
This time next year the board will have already extended his contract to 2015.
Santos L Helper
22 Jun 2008, 16:01
I'm betting that if the supporter base is becoming divided on the coach and gameplan, the playing group is already divided.
hereselmo1
22 Jun 2008, 16:05
I'm betting that if the supporter base is becoming divided on the coach and gameplan, the playing group is already divided.
No doubt, it was interesting to see half way through the last quarter Brogan went off his own bat and called Lower and Thomas into the middle and told two others to get out. I took that as a sign that he was sick of what had been going on and wanted some hard nuts in the middle, i wonder what chocco thought of it?
I have no doubt that Brogan is putting the acid on Chocco in the team meetings if noone else is.
finbarr
22 Jun 2008, 16:06
I'm betting that if the supporter base is becoming divided on the coach and gameplan, the playing group is already divided.
That's ok. Choco will treat the boys to a day Kart-mania and all will be sweet. :thumbsu:
Black 18
22 Jun 2008, 16:10
I'm betting that if the supporter base is becoming divided on the coach and gameplan, the playing group is already divided.
I think that point is the most worrying from what I am seeing. It clearly looks as though the players don't believe any longer, and that's scary stuff to have happening within a club.
"IF" the playing group has lost their belief in Choco (and it looks like that is the case) then that's not something that can be fixed easily, infact it probably can't.
To me that's the hardest and most important decision the club has on it's hand right at this moment in time.
hereselmo1
22 Jun 2008, 16:13
To be honest I think the players have lost faith in the current game plan and some of the current selections rather than chocco himself. If we start again now with some sensible selections and a new gameplan I am sure they will follow Chocco.
Sandola
22 Jun 2008, 16:19
That's ok. Choco will treat the boys to a day Kart-mania and all will be sweet. :thumbsu:
I think when Surjan was being interviewed on ABC radio before the game, he said the team had a Kris Kringle last week. (Also, when complimented on how good he looked in his suit and scarf, Surj said "you have to look good when you come to events like this".)
Handyandy
22 Jun 2008, 17:24
I'm betting that if the supporter base is becoming divided on the coach and gameplan, the playing group is already divided.
Didnt the players come to chocco in 2007 to say they werent enjoying training because of all the fancy tactical stuff and they (the players) wanted to take thier opponents on and play basic man on man footy instead.
I love chocco but I reckon he has failed dramatically in a number of areas;
a) the strucute of the team is wrong from the forward line to the midfield to the defense.
b) the fancy zoning/ flooding/ possesion style game plan and refusal to man up is rubbish. (wont work in finals let alone h&a now)
c) the revolution is crap as we continually play old guys who are injured and or not match fit ahead of promising juniors.
d) he hasnt articulated any coherent plan or vision for the clubs direction and next flag.
e)Im not convinced that his hand picked assisntants are up to task.
besides that though theyre doing a great job.
Tigertom
22 Jun 2008, 19:31
Direct swap - Wallace for Williams, we will even throw Oakley Nichols and Tivendale in:)
That's ok. Choco will treat the boys to a day Kart-mania and all will be sweet. :thumbsu:
Haha, i'm glad i'm not the only one that was sick of this happening.
Forzaport
22 Jun 2008, 20:02
Sacking williams won't solve the mental issues infesting the team IMO. Wouldn't mind seeing hardwick as coach one day, but for now, i'm still happy with williams.
Not a bad thread to start when you're piss drunk :p
Sacking williams won't solve the mental issues infesting the team IMO. Wouldn't mind seeing hardwick as coach one day, but for now, i'm still happy with williams.
Not a bad thread to start when you're piss drunk :p
It has certainly taken up some peoples time if nothing else:o:rolleyes:
240volt
22 Jun 2008, 23:00
It has certainly taken up some peoples time if nothing else:o:rolleyes:come on erical you really still want to see him sacked dont you:p, gee we sacked russell ebert after he made the finals, its the port adelaide way, nobody is as big as the club and when we are not winning someone has to pay for it, its been that way for over 100 years and thats what makes port adelaide different.all this rebuilding shit is for losers, funny when your winning your window is open but soon as ya play shit your in rebuild mode (see west coast eagles 2008)
bobshoby
22 Jun 2008, 23:02
I don't think Choco will get the axe this year but I would say to all those who're arguing for restraint on the basis that there would be no one to replace him that's a bit of a cop out. I mean the same thing could've been said about Ayres in 04 and we all know how that has turned out.
However even if he does survive a strong new assistant should certainly be brought in (perhaps Hardwick) leaving Choco in no doubt that his job is very much on the line next year.
Mr Magoo
23 Jun 2008, 08:42
Didnt the players come to chocco in 2007 to say they werent enjoying training because of all the fancy tactical stuff and they (the players) wanted to take thier opponents on and play basic man on man footy instead.
I love chocco but I reckon he has failed dramatically in a number of areas;
a) the strucute of the team is wrong from the forward line to the midfield to the defense.
b) the fancy zoning/ flooding/ possesion style game plan and refusal to man up is rubbish. (wont work in finals let alone h&a now)
c) the revolution is crap as we continually play old guys who are injured and or not match fit ahead of promising juniors.
d) he hasnt articulated any coherent plan or vision for the clubs direction and next flag.
e)Im not convinced that his hand picked assisntants are up to task.
besides that though theyre doing a great job.
You have to wonder how much, if any input the players have in the way we play the game. Also rather ironic that a few players who weren't considered much chop, have gone to other clubs & showed a bit - Patful being the latest one who was played as a forward for Port & is starting to shine down back for the lions.
Sure will be interesting come selection night this week ... the outs especially & i think i read somewhere (advertiser online i think) that quite a few players will be put on notice as they're out of contract at the end of the year
Ford Fairlane
23 Jun 2008, 08:51
I don't think Choco will get the axe this year but I would say to all those who're arguing for restraint on the basis that there would be no one to replace him that's a bit of a cop out. I mean the same thing could've been said about Ayres in 04 and we all know how that has turned out.
However even if he does survive a strong new assistant should certainly be brought in (perhaps Hardwick) leaving Choco in no doubt that his job is very much on the line next year.
Of course it is. It's the cry in the dark of people fearing change. There must be around 50 assistant coaches in the AFL system, plus coaches in the SANFL, WAFL and VFL, plus the recent retirees in the media or somehow still involved. Sure they're not all coaches in waiting, but they're not all entirely clueless either.
Right now I'd settle for a coach who promises a decent tall strong on-field spine, at least a couple of big bodied key forwards in a structured forward line (probably supplemented by the competitions tallest small forward played close to goal, not in the career ending lead up forward position), tackling all over the ground, 1%ers especially shepherding as commonplace, small defenders on small forwards and tall defenders on tall forwards (bringing in a defence coach who can teach players to actually defend) and a robust gameplan that preaches simple direct forward movement of the ball. And no gold passes.
When's Christmas?
OldStyle2007
23 Jun 2008, 09:49
"As for making the finals, I officially call that off," he said.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/shattered-port-will-switch-focus-to-2009/2008/06/22/1214073056122.html
How can Williams write off finals??
2.5 wins behind Roos and 3 wins behind Collingwood. Surely it's not out of the question with 9 games left
Has he lost it??
Ford Fairlane
23 Jun 2008, 10:02
For Choco to justify in his own mind not picking what he considers the best 22 every week, he has to call off the finals race.
The ridiculous thing is, if he had picked his best 22 on form rather than reputation earlier, we'd still be very much alive, not just on life support.
Eddie Woloschek
23 Jun 2008, 10:07
Choco is the only coach who tanks from R1 if he doesn't think we can win the flag. Once we're out of contention, he plays guys on merit and he looks like a genius. Off with his head.
Ford Fairlane
23 Jun 2008, 10:32
Interesting quote from Choco in today's tiser (Rooch has done a centre page spread) that makes you wonder who will go to make way for the now searching examination of the list (not online yet so here's a snippet).
Williams - often accused of having a "gold-pass" system at selection - has played a league-low 28 players in 13 games this season saying: "We continually look to pick the best side to make the finals.
"Now," adds Williams, "we will pick the absolute best side for two or three years' time."
Questions on the future of All-Australian ruckman Lade, who is under contract for next season and turns 32 next month, and running half-back Peter Burgoyne, 30, appear already answered - in their favour.
"They are aware of (their fallen form)," Williams said. "(But) they work really hard. Just because you get older does not mean you lose it"
malcolm
23 Jun 2008, 10:39
for tired old lade we should allow him a rest from interstate trips (eg darwin next week) and take deluca.
PJ Power
23 Jun 2008, 10:51
Of course it is. It's the cry in the dark of people fearing change. There must be around 50 assistant coaches in the AFL system, plus coaches in the SANFL, WAFL and VFL, plus the recent retirees in the media or somehow still involved. Sure they're not all coaches in waiting, but they're not all entirely clueless either.
Right now I'd settle for a coach who promises a decent tall strong on-field spine, at least a couple of big bodied key forwards in a structured forward line (probably supplemented by the competitions tallest small forward played close to goal, not in the career ending lead up forward position), tackling all over the ground, 1%ers especially shepherding as commonplace, small defenders on small forwards and tall defenders on tall forwards (bringing in a defence coach who can teach players to actually defend) and a robust gameplan that preaches simple direct forward movement of the ball. And no gold passes.When's Christmas?
:thumbsu:
Can I place an order for that too?
Black 18
23 Jun 2008, 10:58
Yep, I'll have what they are having too. :thumbsu:
How much influence does Mark Williams have on the club ? & if it's much too much then maybe Mark Williams is Port Adelaide & the rest can go choose themselves.
But if the above is even partly right then how could you let that happen ?
Chinever
23 Jun 2008, 13:15
Chocko for Baghdad :p Seriously Alan Scott should make one last gesture and pay his contract out.
This was suggested in 2006, and now, two years later we're worse off. He's had his chance and he's run out of ideas.We are in an infinitely better position than 2006.
Still not a good enough position but we have a bright future IMO.
Some changes to off field staff to support and pressure Chocco, some spine in the boardroom, some smart recruiting and trading and we will be dominant once again.
This time next year the board will have already extended his contract to 2015.Has Chocco officially agreed to that extension? I haven't heard anything for a while in that regard.
I tend to think we should hold off on any contract talk until his current one is 6 months from running out.
I'm betting that if the supporter base is becoming divided on the coach and gameplan, the playing group is already divided.There isn't a football playing group in the AFL, or anywhere, that isn't divided. This is one of the big myths about the inside workings of football clubs that people continue to perpetuate.
We are talking about 40 odd blokes here, all with different agendas, personalities and standing within the game.
I would bet some outright hate Chocco, some would adore him, some would be ambivalent, some would think he is a genius, some would think he is a dunce. There are players that dislike or even plain hate eachother. This is, was and always will be the case regardless of on field success.
Good football clubs get around this by putting in structures and routine, both on and off the field, that negate any of the negative aspects the "social" cliques within football clubs can develop.
Santos L Helper
23 Jun 2008, 14:13
It would appear that our structures are failing.
I'm not sure that we're better off than 2006. The next year we played great football, and made a GF, where as next year is looming as something less favourable unless Williams changes his whole outlook, or is traded.
Eddie Woloschek
23 Jun 2008, 18:33
"Now," adds Williams, "we will pick the absolute best side for two or three years' time."
So if last year we weren't supposed to come second, and this year we were going to bomb, it seems to me that Choco is talking 2011 - that's a seven year long rebuild. Even Wallace can only get away with a five year plan. By 2011, even Kevin Rudd will be long gone. My preference would be next week for both of them, but I can't have everything.
dyertribe
23 Jun 2008, 18:49
"Now," adds Williams, "we will pick the absolute best side for two or three years' time."
So if last year we weren't supposed to come second, and this year we were going to bomb, it seems to me that Choco is talking 2011 - that's a seven year long rebuild. Even Wallace can only get away with a five year plan. By 2011, even Kevin Rudd will be long gone. My preference would be next week for both of them, but I can't have everything.
More than 4 wins is a binge.
Handyandy
23 Jun 2008, 22:17
For Choco to justify in his own mind not picking what he considers the best 22 every week, he has to call off the finals race.
The ridiculous thing is, if he had picked his best 22 on form rather than reputation earlier, we'd still be very much alive, not just on life support.
I recall us being in a similar position in 2006, chocco played the kids and we beat the crows with willets, thomson, thomas in the team (we got a strong contest in the centre and willets made a few defenders hear footsteps)
The way we play the injured/ unfit/ out of form older players is really unprofessional.
I recall us being in a similar position in 2006, chocco played the kids and we beat the crows with willets, thomson, thomas in the team (we got a strong contest in the centre and willets made a few defenders hear footsteps)
The way we play the injured/ unfit/ out of form older players is really unprofessional.
Good post. :thumbsu:
Malibu#27
23 Jun 2008, 22:28
"Now," adds Williams, "we will pick the absolute best side for two or three years' time."
So if last year we weren't supposed to come second, and this year we were going to bomb, it seems to me that Choco is talking 2011 - that's a seven year long rebuild. Even Wallace can only get away with a five year plan. By 2011, even Kevin Rudd will be long gone. My preference would be next week for both of them, but I can't have everything.
There is sometimes a danger of taking statements like that too literally. So, we shouldn't take it quite so literally, and coaches should probably be more careful and understand people will take it literally.
Pinepower
23 Jun 2008, 23:18
On Ch 10 Sports news tonight (at least in SA) Jars was on. He showed some footage of the coaches box from Saturday, they were all in funny positions and some standing.
Jars thinks that Choco maybe handed over coaching to see who had the mettle to withstand the pressure of coaching. He was talking about Kingsley, Cripps and Primus and it was to see who would be there next year.
Just thought I would pass this on for interstaters.
On Ch 10 Sports news tonight (at least in SA) Jars was on. He showed some footage of the coaches box from Saturday, they were all in funny positions and some standing.
Jars thinks that Choco maybe handed over coaching to see who had the mettle to withstand the pressure of coaching. He was talking about Kingsley, Cripps and Primus and it was to see who would be there next year.
Just thought I would pass this on for interstaters.
How could anyone accept anything that the clown says.
He makes a judgement from one snapshot of a 3 hour game telecast. My take from the same snapshot is that Choco became temporarily crippled and dropped a smelly one and the other coaches got up and walked away.:rolleyes: