View Full Version : The Tim Southee bandwagon
Gunnar Longshanks
25 Jun 2008, 23:23
One of the more impressive 19-year-olds I've seen for a while.
Took 5/55 and smashed 77* off 40 balls on his Test debut against England.
And he's made a cracking start to his ODI career, with 10 wickets at 19 in his first four matches.
One to watch.
Bananayard
25 Jun 2008, 23:40
He plays for New Zealand. 3 quarters of those hacks wouldnt get a game for a grade side over here. See Marshall....
In 5 years time he'll be classed as shit along with 99% of his mates.
Good on him though.
Black Thunder
25 Jun 2008, 23:56
He plays for New Zealand. 3 quarters of those hacks wouldnt get a game for a grade side over here. See Marshall....
In 5 years time he'll be classed as shit along with 99% of his mates.
Good on him though.
James Marshall played first grade at easts for 5 seasons, averaging over 40 each season, and probably close to 50 as a combined average for his time at the club. Don't have the figures on me now. in sydney grade cricket 40 is a good average whilst anything above 50 for an extended period is pretty exceptional - worse pitches and less time to bat. only in the past 2 seasons has that bar been raised, with a number of batsman averaging 45+.
Anyway, along with Brad Haddin, James was considered the most crucial member of the batting line up in 2003/04 in the team that won the first grade two-day competition and the first grade one-day competition - a feat not too many teams have managed over the years.
Black Thunder
26 Jun 2008, 00:00
haven't seen southee but he's had a more than handy start to the season.
the problem with new zealand is that their weather is so unconducive to good cricket, and of the 6 first class teams only 2 have decent pitches.
so the other 4 teams play half their cricket on shit house pitches which do nothing for a batsmen's confidence, and do nothing to develop a bowler as they have no idea about line and length because they can get wickets bowling medium pace crap that darts all over the shop - Scott Styris' style bowling being the perfect example.
As said to me a good while back from a kiwi fella whose name escapes me now - "as a batsmen you play ten first class games a season, five of them are on shithouse decks, so you can write off any chance of getting a decent score. your five away games, most are shithouse deck anyway, you get a rough decision here and great catch there and suddenly from 20 innings you've come out with one century, a few scratchy half centuries, an average of 25 and with no ____ing idea where your next decent hit is going to come from
Blue Dimension
26 Jun 2008, 16:18
He's basically their replacement for Bond. Came along at the right time really.
Could you imagine a bowling attack of Bond, Southee, Mills and Vettori though? Top class.
davey_magik
26 Jun 2008, 18:26
He plays for New Zealand. 3 quarters of those hacks wouldnt get a game for a grade side over here. See Marshall....
In 5 years time he'll be classed as shit along with 99% of his mates.
Good on him though.
:rolleyes:
Bartram_Class will be here soon, he pioneered this bandwagon.
TheMightyPies
2 Jul 2008, 20:54
another 3 wickets for the young man last night. Was only ireland though
gingerheadman16
4 Jul 2008, 19:37
His lack of pace really caused England problems, just couldnt get him away, then got got trying to force a shot. Vettori was asked whether he thought that Southee would benifit from playing for an English County side, Vettori said that he was trying to persuade Southee to play for Deli.
OzBomber
4 Jul 2008, 20:59
I only like his batting. That 77 was pure skill. :D
Tbh, I haven't seen his bowling
I only like his batting. That 77 was pure skill. :D
Tbh, I haven't seen his bowling
Well, the 77* was just a slog. A wildly successful, incandescent slog, but a slog nonetheless. He might be able to hold a bat, though.
From what I've seen, he can swing the ball away from the right-hander, although I'm unsure what else he can do. He looks to be a very interesting prospect, though. Several New Zealanders on other forums are talking him up and not without justification, either (especially given the paucity of talent within their Test side, in particular).
Gunnar Longshanks
5 Jul 2008, 03:59
Well, the 77* was just a slog. A wildly successful, incandescent slog, but a slog nonetheless. He might be able to hold a bat, though.
From what I've seen, he can swing the ball away from the right-hander, although I'm unsure what else he can do. He looks to be a very interesting prospect, though. Several New Zealanders on other forums are talking him up and not without justification, either (especially given the paucity of talent within their Test side, in particular).The bottom line is that he's 19 and has shown a bit with both bat and ball.
The Kiwis reckon they've found a decade-plus player, which is exactly what they need after some recent exits.
He made his ODI debut against England, and ended up as player of the series. Fair effort.
I like what I've seen from hm so far. He is showing a lot of potential.
Hopefully he can keep going.
Gunnar Longshanks
24 Nov 2008, 21:45
He gutted our top order in Brisbane.
Very impressive.
didak04
24 Nov 2008, 21:50
Great seam position, the Gabba wicket offered him great assistance and he used the conditions very well.
Get the feeling his lack of pace will expose him on flatter decks though.
Agree.
He needs conditions to suit him to be effective. He lacks the pace, bounce and penetration to dominate on flat tracks where the ball doesn't swing or jag around.
Conditions were perfect for swing bowling in Brisbane and he was very good. He'll face a much stiffer test on the Adelaide Oval highway.
Still only 19 though and a very exciting prospect for NZ, especially on the green tops they play most of their home tests on.
Only risk for me is his side on action... IMO big chance of developing stress related back problems. If he has to alter his action to be more front on it may take away his biggest weapon.
stmookeyj
25 Nov 2008, 13:41
He needs something other than cutters as a change-up delivery.
Johnson#26
25 Nov 2008, 13:43
I'm on this bandwagon make no mistake. The guy has plenty going for him, and can only improve.
If only Bond wasn't on the outer.
Cousin Jed
6 Dec 2008, 13:50
Bandwagon temporarily derailed. (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/nzvwi2008_09/content/current/story/380900.html)
For hacks like Gillespie and O'Brien? I didn't see much of the tests due to work/not showing the first 2 sessions in Brisbane but I would have thought he could still get a game ahead of some of those duds.
Blue Dimension
6 Dec 2008, 15:29
Gillespie is very, veryyyy average. And in saying that i think i'm being generous.
When i read the story about Southee being dropped I really was stumped as to why.
Fulton once again gets unlucky also.
davey_magik
6 Dec 2008, 18:31
They drop Martin and Southee and replace them with Gillespie and Franklin?
Idiots.
OzBomber
6 Dec 2008, 19:05
Wow, replacing their 2 best bowlers with 2 hacks. Ridiculous decision. Southee is a great talent and must be given as much time as possible in the top level.
Good to see Franklin back. I quite like him.
Bartram_Class
6 Dec 2008, 19:37
:rolleyes:
Bartram_Class will be here soon, he pioneered this bandwagon.
Too right.
I swear I had an appreciation thread for Southee a couple of years ago, might see if I can rustle it up.
Can't believe he has been dropped. NZ is in dire need of a decent young quick and hes tossed for Mark Gillespie? Get out.
DoubleO7
6 Dec 2008, 20:55
Atleast Franklin can bat, far better cricketer than bloody Martin.
DoubleO7
6 Dec 2008, 20:58
Is Oram in the squad?
Cotchin 9
6 Dec 2008, 22:06
Is Oram in the squad?
Yeah he is and a new guy McIntosh.
Would have made more sense to drop Redmond, Fulton and O'brien and bring in McIntosh, Oram and Franklin. Team would look like this:
How
McIntosh
Ryder
Taylor
Flynn
Oram
McCullum
Franklin
Vettori
Southee
Martin
Plenty of bowling options and batting down to number 10. I don't see the sense in bringing in Gillespie and retaining O'brien, who was average at best against us in the series just gone.
While Martin is a workhorse he can at least Maintain a disciplined line.
Southee would have benifited playing lesser oppition after a tough trip here where he showed plenty of raw talant.
O'Brien is crap and Gillispie can spray them while Franklin readjusts. Intersting bowling selections.
And there batting, Flynn does not yet look like a number 3.
Cotchin 9
8 Dec 2008, 09:30
While Martin is a workhorse he can at least Maintain a disciplined line.
Southee would have benifited playing lesser oppition after a tough trip here where he showed plenty of raw talant.
O'Brien is crap and Gillispie can spray them while Franklin readjusts. Intersting bowling selections.
And there batting, Flynn does not yet look like a number 3.
Flynn isn't a number 3, do you mean Ryder?
Flynn isn't a number 3, do you mean Ryder?
Sorry, got ahead of myself
Cricinfo article has stated that Flynn will start at number 3
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/nzvwi2008_09/content/current/story/381169.html
While he looks technically tight he just hasn't scored the runs or built an innings like you would expect of a number 3.
Sorry, got ahead of myself
Cricinfo article has stated that Flynn will start at number 3
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/nzvwi2008_09/content/current/story/381169.html
While he looks technically tight he just hasn't scored the runs or built an innings like you would expect of a number 3.
Disagree I thought he was very unlucky in the Australian series, he got the starts but received rare peaches from Johnson and Lee. Has a patient mind, good concentration and a vast range of strokes. Not the most exciting batsman to watch but the ideal test batsman. He's definitely more effective than the ODI specialists in Taylor and McCullum. Although both are definitely more talented than him but will never consistently succeed in test cricket purely due to their lack of concentration.
Players such as How, Ryder and Fynn should dominate the West Indian attack with ease, there is a clear difference between their overall medium pace attack and Australia's pace barrage. Mind you How will be a gun opening batsman, has the potential to exceed Crowe.