Eade? [Archive] - BigFooty

Dry Rot

30 Aug 2002, 13:08

The Swans are currently grappling with the problem of choosing btween a promising assistant coach and Wallace - perhaps our choice will similarly be between Royal and Eade.

I don't want Eade at all, but if we end up with him, what do you think he could do with our list (young and promising rather than the ageing Swans line-up)?

I suppose at least our defence would probably improve, and particularly our tackling (I think Eade has learned a bit about tackling living in a rugby league city).

Curly5

30 Aug 2002, 15:13

I can't see it as a good fit, somehow. He strikes me as an unemployed sacked coach looking for a gig. He'd cost us a lot more than Royal for example, who would have a genuine passion for the Doggies, IMO.

What do you think Royal has learned at Melbourne?

Chops

30 Aug 2002, 15:48

Originally posted by Curly5

What do you think Royal has learned at Melbourne?
How to place the little red and blue sticker on the number plate of the Range Rover.

SonOfScray

30 Aug 2002, 17:00

snow field ettiquitte?

Templeton31

30 Aug 2002, 17:00

Originally posted by Curly5

What do you think Royal has learned at Melbourne?

That handballing in the forward line is OK. :D

I was thinking the other day that Chocco would be better Heres my points why:

- Before this debacle I thought we were on the right track (long term). Therefore I think we should keep baasically on the path Plough laid down. Chocco should know best what that is (or Rhode for that matter) but be able to enhance it and add his own angle.

- Chocco is a Bulldogs man - good for morale post-TWdebacle

- Eade is too defensive

- Everybody (Daniher, Wallace etc.) seems to think Chocco is ready

- Chocco would be cheaper

Mr. Walker

30 Aug 2002, 17:29

Originally posted by Curly5

What do you think Royal has learned at Melbourne?

That gold futures are the way to go.

Chops

30 Aug 2002, 17:42

Originally posted by Mr. Walker

That gold futures are the way to go.
I knew we could take this thread to Mr Walkers level.
Is the level up or down?

SonOfScray

30 Aug 2002, 17:50

seriously though, he has served a lenghty apprenticeship under two of the games better coaches tactictally, he would have learned a fair bit about the game and various tactics and will of course have developed his own plan and key features to what makes a good team........

i don't think Eade would be a good choice.

Chops

30 Aug 2002, 17:56

I'm a Peter Rhode fan but Choco would also be OK. Yes both have served an apprenticeship and are ready to be senior coaches.

I wonder if Choco still twitches his head after a goal?

jim440

30 Aug 2002, 18:30

Why is Chris Bond not being mentioned?

Are people being influenced because we all loved Choco as a player?

Good players don't necessarily make good coaches.

OldSchool

30 Aug 2002, 18:32

Originally posted by Chops
I'm a Peter Rhode fan but Choco would also be OK. Yes both have served an apprenticeship and are ready to be senior coaches.

I wonder if Choco still twitches his head after a goal?

Very annoying habit of his :)

SOTS

30 Aug 2002, 18:39

Originally posted by jim440
Why is Chris Bond not being mentioned?

Are people being influenced because we all loved Choco as a player?

Good players don't necessarily make good coaches.

I'd love to see Royal back, but I've got no idea how he is going as an assistant. A couple of years ago he was talked about as a potential senior coach whenever a position came up, now that doesn't seem to happen - except with the Bulldog connection.

stefoid

30 Aug 2002, 20:08

Does nobody take Gary ODonnel seriously?

Leigh Matthews seems to get his players playing hard committed footy, and Brisbane plays a nice style...ODonnel should have learned something in two years. Plus he played for sheeds for all those years, so he must have learned something there too.

OldSchool

30 Aug 2002, 20:32

Chops

30 Aug 2002, 21:35

Originally posted by stefoid
Does nobody take Gary ODonnel seriously?

Leigh Matthews seems to get his players playing hard committed footy, and Brisbane plays a nice style...ODonnel should have learned something in two years. Plus he played for sheeds for all those years, so he must have learned something there too.
No
I hated him as a player cos he was a little smart ar** (thought sh*t didn't stink but was no champion). Don't think he will fit in.

Sheeds - effective but mad. Been coaching too long!
Matthews - Good coach but its easy to inherit a good team, have salary cap benefits, a draft bonus and a suspect drug policy working for you.

Are there any Pagan protégés apart from Crocker?

Unless we can get a good high profile experienced coach cheap, I think the only chances are Royal, Bond and Rhodes.

Captain Sensible

30 Aug 2002, 22:16

A couple of years ago we played Melbourne at Collo and gave them a five goal lead at half time and then reeled them in-Wills kicked three in ten minutes at the start of the third quarter.

Anyway if youve got a tape of the game watch it and pay special attention to the Melbourne coaching box. Before half time Daniher is making all the calls constantly working the phone. THen after half time Royal appears to be making all the calls and as the dogs get closer and closer and eventually hit the lead Daniher reclaims the phone but its all to late and we win easing up.

dogboy23

30 Aug 2002, 22:31

Royal is learning under one of the more tactically astute coaches going around so has certainly had a good grooming.

Bond-Not ready yet IMO.

O'Donnell-Should be pretty highly sought.He is becoming one of my preffered guys.

Eade-No thank you.Inherited a Sydney team on the way up flush from a recruiting spree and took them progressively down wards from after 96.

Harvey-My number 1 and will be a brilliant coach one day.

Tony Elshaugh-Been an assistant under Pagan for a long time and it was suprising his name hasnt been mentioned.Was close to the tigers job a couple of years ago.Very impressive to listen to him talk footy ditto for Greg Hutchinson.

None of them would dissapoint me besides Eade although I would certainly support him until we see how he goes.

Youngster

31 Aug 2002, 05:44

Wayne Brittain will be looking for a job soon....

woofgirl

1 Sep 2002, 21:03

i think i want choc, i know i dont want eade. I really wanted choc until i started to read all of your posts, now i am confused, all the people you are suggesting sound ok, you all seem to know so much about these potential coaches, it is great to have doggie people like you to learn all of this stuff off. It also makes me sound very knowledgable at work on mondays!!!! lol Thanks guys!!

Iso

1 Sep 2002, 23:50

On AW today they said Eade had talked? or will be talking to the dogs and Carlton and is favourite for the Dogs job. Why would that be, just because he is talking to them?

SCRAY72

2 Sep 2002, 12:15

Gary O'Donnell would bring an Essendon and Brisbane game plan with him. He was also a backman in his playing days. My preferred choices in order which changes daily.

1. Mark Harvey (He is ready and has that look in his eyes)
2. Gary O'Donnell (See above)
3. Peter Rohde (Why Not?)
4. Brian Royal (Would prefer non Footscray person to introduce new culture)
5. Chris Bond (Not Ready but great communicator)
6. Rodney Eade (Last resort,hard to judge his Sydney record)

I will change my mind again tomorrow.

Mr. Walker

2 Sep 2002, 18:38

Originally posted by Chops

I knew we could take this thread to Mr Walkers level.
Is the level up or down?

I am not sure how to take that?

For mine the order is:-

1. Harvey

2. O'Donnell

3. Choco

4. Rhode

5,000 Eade

OldSchool

2 Sep 2002, 18:58

Eade would find it difficult to make the transition.
I would be like a manager of an upmarket department stores trying to run an Aldi supermarket as both have significant differences.
O'Donnell would be my chioce and would come to us at a good price. If after two years it was not working then you could move him on. He is keen to come back to Melbourne.

Chops

2 Sep 2002, 22:27

Dry Rot

2 Sep 2002, 23:46

Originally posted by OldSchool
Eade would find it difficult to make the transition.
I would be like a manager of an upmarket department stores trying to run an Aldi supermarket as both have significant differences.
O'Donnell would be my chioce and would come to us at a good price. If after two years it was not working then you could move him on. He is keen to come back to Melbourne.

Understand your analogy, but wouldn't O'Donnell & Harvey also find it a bit difficult coming from well resourced clubs?

OldSchool

3 Sep 2002, 06:37

Originally posted by Dry Rot

Understand your analogy, but wouldn't O'Donnell & Harvey also find it a bit difficult coming from well resourced clubs?

First time coaches will take any opportunity and have no problems with it. They are after results rather than luxuries.
Eade would be far better suited to go to the Blues. I stll don't rate Harvey and O'Donnell is keen to move back to Melb if the right job came along.

Mr. Walker

3 Sep 2002, 14:43

Well off the topic I know, but I made a pledge to myself to only start two new threads a week and they both have to be about delisting Dimma.

So here goes:-

I heard on the radio this morning that Smorgon, Rose and Edmond will be the committee that selects the new coach. No disrespect to the first two but apart from negotiating the wage, what qualifies them to select the new coach?

We need to get this decision right. I am unsure who was on the panel who selected Wallace and it can be argued IMO that they got it right. St Kilda had their process, laugh, and before that asked Blight to advise them and he gave the job to himself.

What should our process be. Engage Allan Jeans or Blight to participate in the selection? I am just not confident, for no real reason, that the selected group will do the right thing. How do you go about making sure you select the best person? I think you need football people on the panel, people who know what has to be done and what attributes to look for.

Curly5

3 Sep 2002, 16:16

Have seen a suggestion of Dean Laidley. Three years as assistant at Collingwood, in charge of defence and forward set-ups, and a lot of input on match day.

When playing he was known as the "junkyard dog" so he might suit us. ;)

Mr. Walker

3 Sep 2002, 16:37

Originally posted by OldSchool

I stll don't rate Harvey

Care to elaborate (tell us more PC) on this OldSchool. Harvey seems to have the right credentials, premiership player, at a successful club, apprecticeship as an assistant. Why the low rating?

OldSchool

3 Sep 2002, 19:04

Originally posted by Mr. Walker

Care to elaborate (tell us more PC) on this OldSchool. Harvey seems to have the right credentials, premiership player, at a successful club, apprecticeship as an assistant. Why the low rating?

I'm not sure about the reference to PC but this is why I dont rate Harvey highly.

Does not appear to be very educated at all.

Very poor in front of the camera.

Has only played and assisted the coach at one team so he does not have a better understanding than some of the other candidates. I am aware that the same applies to Thompson but he is an exception. Choco knew he had to get about more and broaden his outlook.

Had a very bad reputation for his training habits etc and he never lived up to his own potential as a player so I am not sure he could get the best out of others.

Might be a very good assistant coach but I don't think he would be good enough for us.

dogboy23

3 Sep 2002, 21:17

Originally posted by OldSchool

Does not appear to be very educated at all.

Very poor in front of the camera.

Have you heard Neil Daniher speak?He is one of the best coaches going around and he certainly doesnt seem to be the most educated guy around.

I think Harvey will make a good coach.He has a good tactical knowledge and would have immediate rtespect from the players.

OldSchool

3 Sep 2002, 21:29

Originally posted by dogboy23
Have you heard Neil Daniher speak?He is one of the best coaches going around and he certainly doesnt seem to be the most educated guy around.

I think Harvey will make a good coach.He has a good tactical knowledge and would have immediate rtespect from the players.

Why would he have the players respect ?
Why do you think he has good tactical knowledge ?
I dont believe he got the best out of himself as a player so I doubt he would get the best out of others.
Daniher might not have a great speaking voice but what he says is very smart.

For mine, Harvey has some problems and I doubt he would be any good. O'Donnell would be my choice then perhaps Neil Craig,
Choco, Rohde or Bond

dogboy23

3 Sep 2002, 21:41

Originally posted by OldSchool

Why would he have the players respect ?
Why do you think he has good tactical knowledge ?
Generally champion players who played with an almost suicidal approach at the ball attract the respect of other players especially when they have done it after the amount of injuries Harvey had(these would have given him alot of time to think about the technical side of the game)

I think he knows the game well and I have enjoyed listening to him talk footy on the radio and on tv.I listen to all the other club corner programs on 927 and he and Robert Shaw are regular contributors on the bombers show.He knows his footy very well from what I have seen.

Captain Sensible

3 Sep 2002, 23:59

Originally posted by OldSchool

I'm not sure about the reference to PC but this is why I dont rate Harvey highly.

I think I can elaborate. Mr Walker was elaborating on what elaborate means for PC's benefit.

An elaborate (marked by great detail) explanation...