Can we begin the bagging of Sabre yet? [Archive]

TheRealBuzz

31 Aug 2002, 12:16

I know Macca hasn't run out onto the ground yet, so this could be a tad risky. But it does seem pretty certain that he'll make his debut on Sunday against the Kanga's, so I say let the bagging begin!

To get proceedings underway, I would like to start with two quotes that pretty much sum up all of Sabre's McDougall bashings.

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Mcdougal is the biggest waste of a top 5 pick as he will never play a game. Originally posted by sabre_ac
McDougal will prove to be the biggest waste of a top 5 pick so far and I dare say for the next 5 years. This kids is battling to get a game in the wafl,let alone break into the weakest side in the afl. Yet in today’s West Australian I read this: Today’s West Australian
Andrew McDougall flew out of Perth with the team yesterday and will make his AFL debut in the match against the Kangaroos at Manuka Oval, Canberra, tomorrow. :confused: Very strange.

And while I am not one to blow my own trumpet (so to speak):Today’s West Australian
McDougall had a good pre-season this year but hurt an ankle playing on Ashley McIntosh in an Eagles intraclub scratch match. Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Looked great opposed to McIntosh in the intra club match. Rolled an ankle at training and it kept him out of the Wizard Cup. Today’s West Australian
However, his progress has been restricted through soft-tissue injury Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
He can play. Just needs to overcome injury problems. Now that's a fair old towelling for Sab's. But I will also leave you with Sabre's "expert" analysis of two blokes his club picked up in the same draft as McDougall. Originally posted by sabre_ac
Adam McPhee: Arguably the find of the Draft, taken in the mid 30's is a half back flank, forward pocket type player.That has a football brain on him to challenge the best in the buisiness.Is a tough nut, its just a pity he is a victorian as when he comes out of contract he will be in high demand. Originally posted by sabre_ac
Dion Woods: Absolute freak, able to play any position on the ground well.Should develop into one of the stars of the game if only he can get sum consistency.In the mold of a adam goodes Hmmmm, maybe if Woods can overcome having the body of a ten year old girl, then yes, maybe that will turn out to be true.

And, yes, McPhee will be in demand from Victorian clubs. The Bendigo Diggers are on the lookout for new talent.

Macca19

31 Aug 2002, 12:25

Hey im always up for some sabre bagging :D

iceman

31 Aug 2002, 13:59

Originally posted by Macca19
Hey im always up for some sabre bagging :D

Then youre always welcome at this board :D

Hope McDougall gets some good ground time tomorrow

Goldenblue

31 Aug 2002, 14:04

Bag him.....nothing better than to see a Violet cringe....;)

ozzult

31 Aug 2002, 16:52

Dion Woods an absolute freak??

Please leave the Fremantle blinkers at the door when you enter this forum.

Mr Eagle

31 Aug 2002, 17:49

Absolutely not! There will be no bagging of Sabre on this board.

...not until we have some stats to quote as well! Why do things by halves? :D

jod23

1 Sep 2002, 06:23

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Hmmmm, maybe if Woods can overcome having the body of a ten year old girl, then yes, maybe that will turn out to be true.

And, yes, McPhee will be in demand from Victorian clubs. The Bendigo Diggers are on the lookout for new talent.

LOL....all class. If you could mould Woods and McPhee into one player, that player still wouldnt be as good as Doogs.

Frodo

1 Sep 2002, 17:26

Macca didn't gave a lot of game time but had a solid debut in a critical game and showed a lot of promise

ps Wrong again,,,,,,,,,,,,,may the bagging be sweet :D

iceman

1 Sep 2002, 17:31

When on the ground i thought McDougall did quite well; no doubt he'll get better with more game time

Tsk Tsk, Sabres in for a long summer :D

daddy_4_eyes

1 Sep 2002, 17:43

In the air, McDougall was superb. Has strong hands and looks like a good optioin at CHF for us. On the ground, he was a bit slow, but that will change as he adjusts to AFL game speed.

Mr Eagle

1 Sep 2002, 17:53

Originally posted by Mr Eagle
There will be no bagging of Sabre on this board...not until we have some stats to quote as well!

8 possessions, 3 marks, 4 hitouts, 0.1

Fire away boys! :D

jod23

1 Sep 2002, 19:16

I thought he looked really good. Took some good grabs and was in amongst it. Didnt have a huge amount of ground time but if that performance is anything to go by...well i think our CHF spot is sown up for next year.

sabre_ac

1 Sep 2002, 21:18

Hes played one game folks.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves shall we.
Still hasnt done much.

McPhee is and still is one of hte finds of the draft last season and hte same can be said for Woods.

Your comments on Woods about the "girl body" almost mimic your excuse for McDougals lack of pace.
Seems a little ironic to me.....

Kenny_01

1 Sep 2002, 21:19

Amazing. McPhee (and Woods) get criticism from you blokes, yet they are only in their 2nd year of AFL competition. Then you defend McDougall not getting a game by saying its only his second season.

I agree that McDougall will be a good/great player, but you should have the same standards for all players. McPhee and Woods don't deserve critisism. They have both done more in their first 2 seasons than McDougall has.

Frodo

1 Sep 2002, 21:25

Macca19

1 Sep 2002, 21:46

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Hes played one game folks.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves shall we.
Still hasnt done much.

So what. You said he would NEVER play a game. You said he would be the worst top 10 draft pick in the HISTORY OF THE DRAFT. The fact he has already played a game puts end to that doesnt it sabre.

and hte same can be said for Woods.

hahahaha. Woods one of the finds of the draft?? Ok sabre...if you think so.

Mr Eagle

1 Sep 2002, 23:22

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Hes played one game folks.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves shall we.
Still hasnt done much.Congratulations sabre, that was a fine attempt to dodge the fact that your wild statements now have their teeth firmly clamped on your arse :D

Geonet

2 Sep 2002, 01:02

People we should mainly celebrate the Eagles win today and making the eight. Let's not waste our time with Sabre's wild predictions and his so called bragging rights. Anyone with a sense of reality knows that bragging about winning a game, yet finishing five places below us can't be taken seriously. The more we concentrate on hating the Dockers and vice versa, the less we focus on trying to be the best team in Australia, not just in WA.

There is a growing trend among WA footy fans of spending too much time worrying about the team of the other side of town, while before 1995 our eyes and minds were exclusivelly directed into beating all the other teams in Australia. Forget about this hate thing between the Eagles and Dockers fans. Let's just concentrate on being the best possible team nationwide, not just in WA and I suggest Dockers fans do the same.

Mead

2 Sep 2002, 01:34

Originally posted by Geonet
People we should mainly celebrate the Eagles win today and making the eight. Let's not waste our time with Sabre's wild predictions and his so called bragging rights. Anyone with a sense of reality knows that bragging about winning a game, yet finishing five places below us can't be taken seriously. The more we concentrate on hating the Dockers and vice versa, the less we focus on trying to be the best team in Australia, not just in WA.

There is a growing trend among WA footy fans of spending too much time worrying about the team of the other side of town, while before 1995 our eyes and minds were exclusivelly directed into beating all the other teams in Australia. Forget about this hate thing between the Eagles and Dockers fans. Let's just concentrate on being the best possible team nationwide, not just in WA and I suggest Dockers fans do the same.

Fair enough, but I can't help but smile at watching the "yarrrr the wet toast egurls are a bunch of old farts still living in '92..." brigade get their comeuppance.
Nevertheless, at the risk of uttering a line spoken by freo supporters annually since 1995, I actually think the dockers will make the finals next year. And good for them! I think the best game I could possibly imagine would be a Grand Final derby. Can you imagine the bragging rights at stake on *that* puppy?

sabre_ac

2 Sep 2002, 01:36

Once again my sole intention for the other thread was for a little bit of fun.
Much of what I say isnt that far fetched and there isnt anyone on here that I can honestly say I hate.
Yes you all **** me to tears at times ;) but I have no major problems with any of you.

Mead

2 Sep 2002, 01:46

awww group hug :)

Voice of Reason

2 Sep 2002, 12:12

Originally posted by Kenny_01
Amazing. McPhee (and Woods) get criticism from you blokes, yet they are only in their 2nd year of AFL competition. Then you defend McDougall not getting a game by saying its only his second season.

I agree that McDougall will be a good/great player, but you should have the same standards for all players. McPhee and Woods don't deserve critisism. They have both done more in their first 2 seasons than McDougall has.

Amazing how your lack of knowledge of football doesn't stop you from posting such tripe on a regular basis.

Amazing how you haven't considered that MacDougall is an immature key position player trying to break into a (better) side with mature bodied key position players like McIntosh, Jakovich, Gardiner, Sierakowski and Wilson.

Whereas Woods and McPhee are older non key position players (in fact both running half back flanker types) playing for a side that suits that type of player. Woods I quite like - good skills - whether he'll make it in AFL I don't know. McPhee started well but has had second year blues and looked pretty ordinary at East Fremantle in the season.

Amazing how you haven't considered that we don't pump up MacDougall anywhere near as much as sabre pumps up everyone from Jason Norrish to the bloke who blows up the balls at South Freo Oval.

Amazing how the Eagles made the Finals this year.

daddy_4_eyes

2 Sep 2002, 12:50

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Once again my sole intention for the other thread was for a little bit of fun.
Much of what I say isnt that far fetched and there isnt anyone on here that I can honestly say I hate.
Yes you all **** me to tears at times ;) but I have no major problems with any of you.

We know its all in good fun, thats why we're returning the favour :)

*joins in group hug*

Buzz, get your hand off my ass :p

Kenny_01

2 Sep 2002, 13:53

Originally posted by Voice of Reason

Amazing how your lack of knowledge of football doesn't stop you from posting such tripe on a regular basis.

Amazing how you haven't considered that MacDougall is an immature key position player trying to break into a (better) side with mature bodied key position players like McIntosh, Jakovich, Gardiner, Sierakowski and Wilson.

Whereas Woods and McPhee are older non key position players (in fact both running half back flanker types) playing for a side that suits that type of player. Woods I quite like - good skills - whether he'll make it in AFL I don't know. McPhee started well but has had second year blues and looked pretty ordinary at East Fremantle in the season.

Amazing how you haven't considered that we don't pump up MacDougall anywhere near as much as sabre pumps up everyone from Jason Norrish to the bloke who blows up the balls at South Freo Oval.

Amazing how the Eagles made the Finals this year.

Lack of football knowledge? I agree with everything you said about McDougall. I said I think he will be a good/great player. But you guys were dishing McPhee and Woods (who, like McDougall, needs time to develop because of his frame) and they are only in their 2nd year of competition. They havn't had enough time to fully develop either. And I was just pointing out they have done more than McDougall up to this year...I am fully aware this is due to injuries/opportunities/development etc. But the point of my message was that McPhee and Woods were unfairly critisiced. And for the record, I don't think Woods will make it but I think McPhee will.

TheRealBuzz

2 Sep 2002, 14:36

Point taken, Kenny.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and the criticism of McPhee and Woods was unnecessary on my part. It was simply an attempt to annoy Sabre as much as he annoyed me with his stupid criticism of Andy McDougall (criticism that stemmed from a severe lack of footy knowledge).

I've got nothing against either player, and think both (especially McPhee) are good prospects.

RogerMellie

2 Sep 2002, 19:07

Speaking of 10 year old girls...

http://westcoasteagles.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/person/013560ae.jpg

Anyway, congratulations on making the finals. Always a good thing to prove the naysayers wrong, despite it costing me a bloody carton of booze to my Eagles-supporting housemate.

Voice of Reason

2 Sep 2002, 19:32

Originally posted by RogerMellie
Speaking of 10 year old girls...

http://westcoasteagles.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/person/013560ae.jpg

Anyway, congratulations on making the finals. Always a good thing to prove the naysayers wrong, despite it costing me a bloody carton of booze to my Eagles-supporting housemate.

I think that is the point - Macdougall was recruited on potential. He looks nothing like that now (and I'm not just talking about the dark hair).

It is a shocking photo though!

Once again the AFL site demonstrates its quality and timely updates. I imagine that Heath Black and Fraser Gehrig are still shown as playing for WA teams.....

sabre_ac

2 Sep 2002, 19:33

Originally posted by Kenny_01

Lack of football knowledge? I agree with everything you said about McDougall.

Agreeing with VOR suddenly means you have football knowledge??
Well I guess there is a first for everything.

My opinion is that both players will make it.
Woods has too much natural ability not ot make it and McPhee well personally I think he will be a very solid contributer of the likes of Carr but I think his future lies over east.

Macca19

2 Sep 2002, 19:43

Originally posted by RogerMellie
Speaking of 10 year old girls...

http://westcoasteagles.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/person/013560ae.jpg

Thats Mcdougall?????? :confused:

When was that picture taken??? 4 years ago?? He must of put on about 30 kg since then...he looks nothing like that!

Mr Eagle

2 Sep 2002, 19:58

Originally posted by sabre_ac
My opinion is that both players will make it.
Woods has too much natural ability not ot make it and McPhee well personally I think he will be a very solid contributer of the likes of Carr but I think his future lies over east. Shall that opinion be taken in the same spirit as your comments on McDougall, i.e. "I'm just kidding and really don't believe it, but gee wouldn't it be nice?" ? :D

Kenny_01

2 Sep 2002, 20:45

Originally posted by sabre_ac

Agreeing with VOR suddenly means you have football knowledge??
Well I guess there is a first for everything.

You're an idiot, Sabre.

I was asking him why he thought I lacked football knowledge and then defended myself by stating what I thought, as it was clear VOR was having a go at me.

2 Sep 2002, 20:52

I'm also one who gave Woods big wraps (not to the extent of Sabre mind you!), after also seeing him play in the WAFL. I expected big things, but still, at 20 I'd hardly write him off yet.

King Crow

2 Sep 2002, 20:59

Originally posted by sabre_ac

McPhee is and still is one of hte finds of the draft last season and hte same can be said for Woods.

McPhee and Woods were 2 of the reasons why we belted your team into submission yesterday.

Finds? more like liabilities

sabre_ac

2 Sep 2002, 21:16

Originally posted by King Crow

McPhee and Woods were 2 of the reasons why we belted your team into submission yesterday.

Finds? more like liabilities

Hardly
McPhee is hard skillful player that though may never take competition by storm. Will end up playing more games than most 50 somthing drafties.

Porthos

2 Sep 2002, 22:13

sabre_ac

2 Sep 2002, 22:25

Originally posted by Porthos
Well, obviously...he's at Fremantle.

Thankyou for your contribution......

i_luv_westcoast

2 Sep 2002, 22:36

Has there ever been a player at Freo that didn't have great skills :rolleyes:

Visro

2 Sep 2002, 22:36

Originally posted by sabre_ac

Hardly
McPhee is hard skillful player that though may never take competition by storm. Will end up playing more games than most 50 somthing drafties.

#39 actually.

BTW, you got rorted in that deal.

Pick #39 (Adam McPhee) from Collingwood to Freo.

James Clement and Brodie Holland to Collingwood.

sabre_ac

2 Sep 2002, 22:45

Originally posted by Visro

#39 actually.

BTW, you got rorted in that deal.

Pick #39 (Adam McPhee) from Collingwood to Freo.

James Clement and Brodie Holland to Collingwood.

Pick 6 as well sunshine...

Visro

2 Sep 2002, 22:52

Originally posted by sabre_ac

Pick 6 as well sunshine...

You 100% sure...

King Crow

2 Sep 2002, 23:06

Originally posted by Visro

You 100% sure...

I dont think he is

sabre_ac

2 Sep 2002, 23:49

Originally posted by Visro

You 100% sure...

Yes..
6th pick was then on traded as part of the Bell deal..

King Crow

3 Sep 2002, 00:13

#6 was your own draft pick. I think yous somehow got pick #8 from Collingwood or someone.

Wsd it true North chose Sinclair over Black :eek:

Visro

3 Sep 2002, 11:48

Originally posted by sabre_ac

Yes..
6th pick was then on traded as part of the Bell deal..

DING DONG!

Wouldn't be the first time you're wrong though eh sabre?

Pick #6 was your own pick. Remember, Freo placed 1 above WC that year (which was enough for some Freo fans to be hailing the year a success) and WC had the #5 draft pick. You look carefully at the AFL website and I'm pretty darn sure you'll see that you gave away Holland and Clement for what ended up being McPhee.

Voice of Reason

3 Sep 2002, 11:53

Originally posted by Visro

DING DONG!

Wouldn't be the first time you're wrong though eh sabre?

Pick #6 was your own pick. Remember, Freo placed 1 above WC that year (which was enough for some Freo fans to be hailing the year a success) and WC had the #5 draft pick. You look carefully at the AFL website and I'm pretty darn sure you'll see that you gave away Holland and Clement for what ended up being McPhee.

What you're missing though, Vis, is that if Clement and Holland had stayed at Fremantle, they would still be crap. It's cultural.

kuepper

3 Sep 2002, 11:56

Originally posted by Visro
#39 actually.

BTW, you got rorted in that deal.

Pick #39 (Adam McPhee) from Collingwood to Freo.

James Clement and Brodie Holland to Collingwood.
Whilst I have little desire to wade into this thread, thats, to keep in line with the tone of this thread - a Sabre-ism.

Bull**** passed as fact, if you will.

We received pick 8, and 39, for those 2 - pick 8 and 6 were ontraded to the Roos.

Considering Id take Parker over clement(a player I have alot of time for mind you, a good contributor) every day of the week (and twice on Sundays) and Holland is really a nobody, I think we did fine on that deal, personally.

That said, well done on Sunday - suprised me for sure, good luck in the finals ... what a difference sneaking a couple of wins away makes huh?

kuepper

3 Sep 2002, 11:58

Originally posted by Voice of Reason
What you're missing though, Vis, is that if Clement and Holland had stayed at Fremantle, they would still be crap. It's cultural.
I'd expect better than that **** from you.

Is it any wonder that you get Freo types in here pulling the **** out of your arrogance, when you post absolute **** like that?

*shakes head* Now I remember why I dont post much anymore ... even posters who know better seemed to have dropped their bundle ... alas c'est la vie.

Visro

3 Sep 2002, 12:08

Well according to the AFL website, the Kangaroos got draft pick #8 from Collingwood for Paul Williams, however that worked out.

I don't know, you try and look at the piece of crap called the AFL website and try and decipher the trades.

kuepper

3 Sep 2002, 12:20

Which then collingwood ontraded to freo, perhaps?

But I can guantee you, that the #8 pick, came fleetingly west before being given on to the Roos as part of the Bell trade.

Visro

3 Sep 2002, 12:27

Well I did a bit of researching (all 3 mins of it) and found this website:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/braithy/afl-chgs.htm

Freo indeed got pick #8 for Clement and Holland. The website doesn't mention the #39 pick however.

Bloody hell, one website forgets one thing and another website forgets the other. God I wish the old AFL website was still used. What happened to all the good trade week articles.

Once again, **** you Telstra!

Voice of Reason

3 Sep 2002, 13:13

Originally posted by kuepper

I'd expect better than that **** from you.

Is it any wonder that you get Freo types in here pulling the **** out of your arrogance, when you post absolute **** like that?

*shakes head* Now I remember why I dont post much anymore ... even posters who know better seemed to have dropped their bundle ... alas c'est la vie.

Don't be upset. Connelly is probably (I'm not sure yet) changing that.

I do think that sometimes players need a change of scene to bring out the best in them - and that has certainly happened to Clement (Holland to a lesser degree). Malthouse is a good coach and has brought out ability that was latent in these players, just as Pagan has done for several ex-Freo players at North over the years.

Whilst my post was of course a ****take, it has been true for most seasons prior to last in Freo's history.

TheRealBuzz

3 Sep 2002, 13:20

I think Collingwood trade Paul Williams for Sydneys #8 and #39 picks in the draft. Collingwood then traded these picks for Clement and Holland. Fremantlle then traded the #8 pick, their own #6 pick and Jess Sinclair for Peter Bell. They kept the #39 pick and used it on McPhee.

Simple, huh?

P.S. Kuep, it's good to see that McDougall has apparently matured a little since leaving high school. Now how do I insert the rolleyes smilie?

Voice of Reason

3 Sep 2002, 13:25

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
I think Collingwood trade Paul Williams for Sydneys #8 and #39 picks in the draft. Collingwood then traded these picks for Clement and Holland. Fremantlle then traded the #8 pick, their own #6 pick and Jess Sinclair for Peter Bell. They kept the #39 pick and used it on McPhee.

Simple, huh?

P.S. Kuep, it's good to see that McDougall has apparently matured a little since leaving high school. Now how do I insert the rolleyes smilie?

Buzz

You definitely need an updated picture of the Big Mac for your avatar.