metallica comeback

[Black Majesty]

METALLICA's KIRK HAMMETT: Our New Stuff Sounds Like MESHUGGAH!! -
Aug. 30, 2002

In what may or may not have been intended as a joke, METALLICA
guitarist Kirk Hammett and drummer Lars Ulrich have compared some
of
the group's newest compositions to those of MESHUGGAH, HATEBREED
and
ENTOMBED.

The following are the duo's most recent postings to the "Jump In
The
Studio" section of the band's official web site:

Kirk Hammett (08/29/2002 3:52:00 PM)
"So we came in today and we were working on the song Du Jour when
[webmaster] Niclas walked in with the new MESHUGGAH CD. We decided
to
stop what we were doing and throw it on because every mother****er
at
Ozzfest kept on telling us how kick-ass they were. When we heard
it,
we were shocked to find out how similar it was to our new material,
even the 8 radio songs we have. I love MESHUGGAH! Right now the
entire HQ smells like spray paint because James is graffitting our
roll up door with the scary guy. We have a four-day weekend coming
up
and for me it is all about surfing, riding horses and playing
guitar.
Oh, by the way, I was just kidding about the 8 radio songs..."

Lars Ulrich (08/29/2002 5:26:00 PM)
"Hey, it's Lars checking in on the way out. We had a nice ugly day
in
the studio. Lots of nastiness and misery. I'm psyched! BTW, I think
Kirk's MESHUGGAH comparison is a little limiting. I hear shades of
HATEBREED and ENTOMBED in there also. It is really starting to come
together, man. The couple 2-3 things we've been working on this
week,
we've taken a few steps further than the earlier stuff, and it
feels
a bit good. We are gonna chill for a long weekend, so we will catch
up on the sick **** and despair on Tuesday again. Y'all be good, c-
ya
in a bit, THE ELF (aka Lars)"

[SydneyBomber]

I find it exceptionally hard to believe.... but must admit that my curiousity has been piqued somewhat.

After the slop they've been dishing out for basically the last ten years, I don't hold any great hopes though.:(

Keep up the good work and updates BM.

[Black Majesty]

pretty amusing they want to be meshuggah after their country bumpkin stance and agreed on the recent chase of dollars albums...frederick thordenal would find it pretty amusing too!

i think they have realised they are not just a joke but quite hated by most of the metal crowd..

[Savatage]

Sounds like a last ditch effort at "respect".

[Darky]

Does this mean James Hetfield no longer thinks he's John Wayne, and Kirk Hammett no longer thinks he's Jimi Hendrix? As for Lars, we don't care who he thinks he is, we know he's just a loud unimportant arsehole. Do they even have a bass player yet?

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Darky
Does this mean James Hetfield no longer thinks he's John Wayne, and Kirk Hammett no longer thinks he's Jimi Hendrix? As for Lars, we don't care who he thinks he is, we know he's just a loud unimportant arsehole. Do they even have a bass player yet?

I believe they had Bob Rock playing bass while they were practicing in the studio, but they don't have a "set in concrete" bass player yet.

Newstead hinted that one day he may go back, but if he was smart, he would stay well away!

[Savatage]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


I believe they had Bob Rock playing bass while they were practicing in the studio, but they don't have a "set in concrete" bass player yet.

Newstead hinted that one day he may go back, but if he was smart, he would stay well away!

He won't make money playing for no-name bands, I'd re-join in a hurry.

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


He won't make money playing for no-name bands, I'd re-join in a hurry.

Well, he shouldn't need too as he is set up for life with the money he would have already made.

He seems happy playing in "Echobrain", but hinted in the future that you can "never say never" about a return to Metallica. I don't think he is in any hurry.

[Savatage]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


He seems happy playing in "Echobrain", but hinted in the future that you can "never say never" about a return to Metallica.

"Never say never" In other words, when I need the money I will come back. 'nuff said.

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


"Never say never" In other words, when I need the money I will come back. 'nuff said.

I DO want to agree with you here, but I think Newstead is above that. He was above the other three in those terms. But again, we shall see. Anything can happen.

[Savatage]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


I DO want to agree with you here, but I think Newstead is above that. He was above the other three in those terms. But again, we shall see. Anything can happen.

You're right about that, he was the only "human" that I enjoyed speaking to out of the band. However "never say never" is usually a financial quote in my experience following past bands/band members.

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by Black Majesty


i think they have realised they are not just a joke but quite hated by most of the metal crowd..

By a joke I assume u mean they are one of the most succesful and best rock bands in the world

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


You're right about that, he was the only "human" that I enjoyed speaking to out of the band. However "never say never" is usually a financial quote in my experience following past bands/band members.

Yeah, it can be, but I'm just hoping like hell he doesn't go back, as frankly, he doesn't really need too. The Echobrain CD he released isn't too bad either.

But you're right, never say never.

[ozcoltsfan]

For starters Jason left Echobrain and he says its unlikely he will come back in a hurry
Now give the guys a break please, if you dont have an appreciated for Load/ReLoad/and the other new stuff then thats fine, no one said you had to like it
When it comes to metal there are bands like Pantera etc who bash out the same album over and over, thats fine if you like that, but Metallica since day one have matured musically from album to album, and have not made the same stuff more than once. What musician would you be for not experimenting and just sticking with a winning formula for your whole career as many old school Metallica fans wish they did? Thats just dumb
For your info Lars and Kirk are just messing around saying that their new stuff sounds like those bands, Metallica are the kings of sarcasm and stupid jokes.
The new album will be heavy, fat riffs, good singing and very melodic. The one song I have heard has a fast main riff and is certainly different to anything they have done.
So please give them a break, if you like Puppets and hate Load then fine, but at least respect that its stupid for them to do the same stuff over and over just to make people happy.

[Savatage]

Originally posted by ozcoltsfan
For starters Jason left Echobrain and he says its unlikely he will come back in a hurry
Now give the guys a break please, if you dont have an appreciated for Load/ReLoad/and the other new stuff then thats fine, no one said you had to like it
When it comes to metal there are bands like Pantera etc who bash out the same album over and over, thats fine if you like that, but Metallica since day one have matured musically from album to album, and have not made the same stuff more than once. What musician would you be for not experimenting and just sticking with a winning formula for your whole career as many old school Metallica fans wish they did? Thats just dumb
For your info Lars and Kirk are just messing around saying that their new stuff sounds like those bands, Metallica are the kings of sarcasm and stupid jokes.
The new album will be heavy, fat riffs, good singing and very melodic. The one song I have heard has a fast main riff and is certainly different to anything they have done.
So please give them a break, if you like Puppets and hate Load then fine, but at least respect

that its stupid for them to do the same stuff over and over just to make people happy.

Firstly regarding Pantera- have you heard anything pre-CFH? LMFAO......secondly....

I respected Metallica until they sold out to the commercial dollar.

I'm not one of those "It has to sound like Master of Puppets or it's a sellout" type of guys. I have an EXTREMELY DIVERSE collection of music that I listen to. Basically if it's good I will like it.

I don't believe their stuff post 1990 is good firstly (forgetting the odd song here or there) , I also think change is good & a mandatory part of musical development. I don't think selling out is.

That's my opinion but I know I'm not alone.

[ozcoltsfan]

Regarding Pantera, I hear them a lot cause of a good friend of mine, I would not be able to tell you the name of any songs or albums but chances are ive heard nearly every song, and my personal opinion is that there is some great riffs and heavy stuff in there, but its all too the same style for me, and I really cant stand singing like they have.
Metallica never sold out to the commercial dollar. Metallica never went to MTV and said put us on the TV. The overwhelming popularity of the band forced MTV to play Metallica. If fans want to see you have a music video then you make one, simple. The Black Album came out and people were anticipating it like no other album in history in the USA. Metallica had played every city in the USA in support of Justice, and no one left one of those 190 odd shows disappointed so of course people are going to want to buy the album when it comes out. So radio picks up that people want to hear songs from the Black Album, and the songs just happen to be awesome so it gets played, Metallica is commercial now, so what.
Now the difference between the Black Album and Load, you have to realize that there was 5 years between albums. 5 YEARS. Did you have the exact same haircut and wear the exact same clothes 5 years ago? No I didnt think so. Metallica progressed musically with the Load album, a bit of country influence, so what, the crunch on the guitars was still there, even if it was missing some of the speed. The songs might not be everyone cup of tea, but the band wrote what they wanted to write and not what commercial trends were suggesting they should write. They write albums for themselves and no one else. You cant tell me an album released in 1996 that sounds anything like Load.
Metallica sued their own record company simply because they did not own their own material. Everyone see this as Metallica wants more money blah blah blah yeah good one. Do you know how many bands now own their own material because Metallica did what they did?
And then there is the Napster crap. This was never about money, but of course people are too shallow to see past this. This was again about the right to controlling your own work. You deserve the right to do this. Whilst standing up againt online programs like Napster was not a complete success, Cd sales have increased since Metallica did what they did compared to a downturn in sales when Napster was popular. It is no longer in my opinion cool to have 100's of mp3's to show to your friends. People get the mp3's, see if they like it, and if they do, they buy it, and more often that not these days, people buy it.
So Metallica succeeded yet again in standing up for the musical community, and in turn cost themselves money instead of making more.

[Savatage]

Originally posted by ozcoltsfan
Regarding Pantera, I hear them a lot cause of a good friend of mine, I would not be able to tell you the name of any songs or albums but chances are ive heard nearly every song, and my personal opinion is that there is some great riffs and heavy stuff in there, but its all too the same style for me, and I really cant stand singing like they have.
Metallica never sold out to the commercial dollar. Metallica never went to MTV and said put us on the TV. The overwhelming popularity of the band forced MTV to play Metallica. If fans want to see you have a music video then you make one, simple. The Black Album came out and people were anticipating it like no other album in history in the USA. Metallica had played every city in the USA in support of Justice, and no one left one of those 190 odd shows disappointed so of course people are going to want to buy the album when it comes out. So radio picks up that people want to hear songs from the Black Album, and the songs just happen to be awesome so it gets played, Metallica is commercial now, so what.
Now the difference between the Black Album and Load, you have to realize that there was 5 years between albums. 5 YEARS. Did you have the exact same haircut and wear the exact same clothes 5 years ago? No I didnt think so. Metallica progressed musically with the Load album, a bit of country influence, so what, the crunch on the guitars was still there, even if it was missing some of the speed. The songs might not be everyone cup of tea, but the band wrote what they wanted to write and not what commercial trends were suggesting they should write. They write albums for themselves and no one else. You cant tell me an album released in 1996 that sounds anything like Load.
Metallica sued their own record company simply because they did not own their own material. Everyone see this as Metallica wants more money blah blah blah yeah good one. Do you know how many bands now own their own material because Metallica did what they did?
And then there is the Napster crap. This was never about money, but of course people are too shallow to see past this. This was again about the right to controlling your own work. You deserve the right to do this. Whilst standing up againt online programs like Napster was not a complete success, Cd sales have increased since Metallica did what they did compared to a downturn in sales when Napster was popular. It is no longer in my opinion cool to have 100's of mp3's to show to your friends. People get the mp3's, see if they like it, and if they do, they buy it, and more often that not these days, people buy it.
So Metallica succeeded yet again in standing up for the musical community, and in turn cost themselves money instead of making more.

Regarding Pantera obviously you haven't heard their glam Poison/ Motley Crue records.

Virtually all these points you bring up I didn't even mention- what I do know is that Bob Rock took them under his wing & changed virtually everything about them. Producer/Manager/Whatever.

That's your answer why the change.

I don't like it, & I'm not alone.

I'd be a lot happier to hear less of Lars' infantile bitching & get them to sit down & actually write a good song. Without Cliff Burton (their melody master) they have nothing.

Kirk needs to get rid of that ****ing wah wah pedal, Lars needs to learn how to play drums again. A big dose of passion will go a long way.

[Darky]

Originally posted by Savatage

Virtually all these points you bring up I didn't even mention- what I do know is that Bob Rock took them under his wing & changed virtually everything about them. Producer/Manager/Whatever.


Metallica said in an interview several years back they hired Bob Rock specifically so they could get some "chart action". Combine that a much more commercial approach between Justice and Black, and I think it's a pretty clear sell-out. Not to mention the 20 different versions of packaging all their singles, a stack of live videos, a $160 box set, starting their OWN friggen fan club.

Originally posted by Savatage

Kirk needs to get rid of that ****ing wah wah pedal

Hasn't played a solo without it since 1990. NOW whose songs all sound the f*cking same? And no Kirk, no matter how much you use it, you are still not Jimi Hendrix.

[CowboyFromHell]

OzColt - how often have you listened to Pantera dude?

I listen to them every day, and nothing sounds totally the same. I know for a fact that on every album, Dimebag used or tried different things in the songs. Compare CFH to TGSTK and you will see BIG differences. Phil's voice could go really high in CFH, but he basically ditched that into Vulgar as he couldn't do it anymore.

Even VDOP and FBD sound quite different, yet they are all as heavy as **** and that's why they are the best at what they do.

Savatage - there is no denying their early stuff, they were glam yes, I have no argument for it! :(

On Metallica - I have great respect for their EARLIER stuff, but I think what killed Metallica was the untimely death of Cliff Burton. He was the man in that band, the totally talented one. He passed away, and everything changed. Pre-Black they were the best, but since then, it's all about the almighty $$$ rather than producing sweet ass heavy music. And it's a damn shame. That's no slide on Newstead either, but Burton was fantastic. A big part of Metallica died with him - and unfortunately, it was the good part.

[ozcoltsfan]

Im am just gonna leave the Pantera thing alone, they were a bad example, I admit it, I apologize, sorry.
As far as selling out you guys really have no idea what ive been on about. Bob Rock changed them with the black album?
Ok good one, All the songs were written and ready to record, before they hired him to produce the record. The only real exception is Nothing Else Matters which was never intended to be on a Metallica record, it was just something Jaymz wrote for himself. Bob and Lars heard it and now we all have heard it and its one of the greatest rock songs ever.
And then there is the 20 versions of every single argument that means they just want more money. Ok in the USA each single that was released (there were 5 of them, Metallica only wanted 4 to be released but their record company wanted another) and it was released on cassette and cd only and 7 inch. Now Metallica around the world has many record labels and they decided to do what they did as far as all the collectible versions. Do you really think Lars sat down and said, we would like this this and this on the Japanese version of Sandman. Hell no.
And the box set, was expensive yes, but there was nothing the band could do about it. They just planned to released each show seperately cause Metallica had never really released any live stuff before. So they planned to release a Live Cd show and the San Diego show on video. Now technology at the time did not allow them to release the San Diego show on one video it had to be split to too. They wanted to give the fans the whole show so they decided to release it as a two tape thing which would have been expensive at the time by itself. So then the box set idea was presented to them, so they decided they may aswell go with it instead of having seperate things on the shelves. They threw in another show on video and a book and a few lil extra's. They DID NOT sit down and say we are gonna make sure we make x amount of dollars with this box set.

You guys really need to know the facts before you jump to all these conclusions. All these popular sayings: Oh they sold out, oh they just want money, its all a load of crap, get over it, if you dont like the music dont buy it, thats all it really is, Its got nothing to do with anything else. Metallica does what they want musically, nothing in the outside world effects their decisions musically but their own desires.

[ozcoltsfan]

Just to revisit the Pantera thing if you guys can answer yes to this then fine, I am wrong on this about them.

Has Pantera's music varied as much from their first album to last as Metallica, for example Metallica have done many things musically for example:
Whiplash
to
Master of Puppets (the song)
to
Enter Sandman / Nothing Else Matters
to
Some country influence on Load
to
Writing songs with a symphony in mind (No Leaf Clover, -Human)

And everything in between. How different is their style from start to present compared to Metallica.
That is the sort of thing I was trying to make a point with.

[Savatage]

Originally posted by ozcoltsfan

You guys really need to know the facts before you jump to all these conclusions.

I do know all the facts, I was also a member of the fan club, saw them play in an exclusive show in front of about 100 people- have met them on a number of occasions & own most of the official stuff.

It doesn't mean I have to lick arse at everything they do.

I'm also a huge Kiss fan, but **** me if I'm going to defend the **** they've come up with.

Fan doesn't mean a blind devotee. My allegiances with Metallica are my own personal ones, I know the facts, I've read the interviews, I've digested the music & my answer is my answer.

On Pantera, frankly I only like 1 1/2 albums, hardly a favourite band of mine. Prefer the European scene, it ****s all over the mainstream of which Metallica & Pantera belong IMHO.

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


I do know all the facts, I was also a member of the fan club, saw them play in an exclusive show in front of about 100 people- have met them on a number of occasions & own most of the official stuff.

It doesn't mean I have to lick arse at everything they do.

I'm also a huge Kiss fan, but **** me if I'm going to defend the **** they've come up with.

Fan doesn't mean a blind devotee. My allegiances with Metallica are my own personal ones, I know the facts, I've read the interviews, I've digested the music & my answer is my answer.

On Pantera, frankly I only like 1 1/2 albums, hardly a favourite band of mine. Prefer the European scene, it ****s all over the mainstream of which Metallica & Pantera belong IMHO.

Pantera are not mainstream. End of story.

[Savatage]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


Pantera are not mainstream. End of story.

They are a mainstream metal band, fact not fiction.

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


They are a mainstream metal band, fact not fiction.

Not by choice though. They built themselves up by playing shows, and the more people heard, the more popular became. I don't think they would give a damn if onl y10 people bought their albums to be honest.

They are really popular, but they didn't necessarily want that. They are the best at what they do, does that make them mainstream?

[Savatage]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


Not by choice though. They built themselves up by playing shows, and the more people heard, the more popular became. I don't think they would give a damn if onl y10 people bought their albums to be honest.

They are really popular, but they didn't necessarily want that. They are the best at what they do, does that make them mainstream?

Your first point - apart from "man made" bands, that is the same for every artist in music today.

They're popular, everybody knows who they are, their film clips get played on TV, they tour regularly, they are in the public spotlight in magazines & news - they are a mainstream heavy metal band. Name me some others.

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


Your first point - apart from "man made" bands, that is the same for every artist in music today.

They're popular, everybody knows who they are, their film clips get played on TV, they tour regularly, they are in the public spotlight in magazines & news - they are a mainstream heavy metal band. Name me some others.

There are plenty of mainstream heavy metal bands. Sure, Pantera are right up there when you put it like that, but I see plenty of interviews in magazines, plenty that tour all the time etc. Some are Slayer, Machine Head, Soulfly, Sepultura....and there are plenty of the European bands who are in the magazines too. Opeth, Dimmu Borgir etc. Okay, they are not so much in the public spotlight, but yeah.

I do get where you are coming from though, don't get me wrong! :)

[Sinkers_9]

Can I ask something

What ****en difference does it make if they are mainstream or not???

[Savatage]

Originally posted by Sinkers_9
Can I ask something

What ****en difference does it make if they are mainstream or not???

Nothing!!! It wasn't even the arguement!

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by Savatage


Nothing!!! It wasn't even the arguement!

Well said!

And anyway, it was a discussion on the MUSIC board that you know nothing about, so leave it alone!