Coburg Vs Box Hill/Cogs return

[RichosGuns]

This weekend the Burgers are taking on the hapless Box Hill Hawks. Should get up with an easy win. Great to see Coughlan making a return in the 3rd's

Seniors line up

B Howat Silvester Meyer
HB Pettifer Rance Collins
C Tivendale Caruso Raines
HF Horne Schulz Edwards
F Oakley-Nicholls Connors Polo
R Cartledge King Shelton
Int Corr Clifton Carnell
Putt Carrick Graham
McErlain Keogh

Reserves line up

B Davis Smith Vasilevski
HB McErlain Gourdis Robertson
C Casserly Coughlan Collard
HF Rayson Putt Simpson
F Clifton Currie Gazzo
R Foster Corr Caruso
Int Jordon Cattapan Trajkovski
Riddle Jones Farrelly
De Sousa Abdallah

That Coburg seniores line up looks very impressive. Casserly running in the 3rd's is a bit perplexing, clearly Collard isn't going to be elevated anytime soon. Polo and King are the only Richmond players playing who played last week. I reckon Johnson and Thursty (if he's right) should have had a run around this week (Johnson looked real propy last week)

With at least 2 or 3 changes this week, all players particully Silvester and Rance will be looking to impress

Only RFC players not playing:
- McGuane
- Thurstfield

[Top_4_Tiger]

"Cogs return" - stop bumping old threads :D

[nut]

This weekend the Burgers are taking on the hapless Box Hill Hawks. Should get up with an easy win. Great to see Coughlan making a return in the 3rd's

Seniors line up

B Howat Silvester Meyer
HB Pettifer Rance Collins
C Tivendale Caruso Raines
HF Horne Schulz Edwards
F Oakley-Nicholls Connors Polo
R Cartledge King Shelton
Int Corr Clifton Carnell
Putt Carrick Graham
McErlain Keogh

Reserves line up

B Davis Smith Vasilevski
HB McErlain Gourdis Robertson
C Casserly Coughlan Collard
HF Rayson Putt Simpson
F Clifton Currie Gazzo
R Foster Corr Caruso
Int Jordon Cattapan Trajkovski
Riddle Jones Farrelly
De Sousa Abdallah

That Coburg seniores line up looks very impressive. Casserly running in the 3rd's is a bit perplexing, clearly Collard isn't going to be elevated anytime soon. Polo and King are the only Richmond players playing who played last week. I reckon Johnson and Thursty (if he's right) should have had a run around this week (Johnson looked real propy last week)

With at least 2 or 3 changes this week, all players particully Silvester and Rance will be looking to impress

Only RFC players not playing:
- McGuane
- Thurstfield

Collard and Casserly getting fitness in him by the looks... smart move. Nothing to be concerned with. 10/12 rule. We will elevate a ruckman by seasons end.

[TigerTroy0055]

Whats the 10/12 Rule ? Does it involve Andy Collins kicking 10 goals 12from the back flank

[tucker777]

Whats the 10/12 Rule ? Does it involve Andy Collins kicking 10 goals 12from the back flank

did andy update the restraining order?
what is it now...200m...300m?:rolleyes:

[rfctigerarmy]

Ahh, so Coughlan's in the Coburg seconds? I don't think I'll make that.. :(

[Ruanaidh]

Game will be broadcasted on 3WBC 94.1FM Radio

[mattdwyer]

why exactly is gourdis playing CHB ????
wasnt he a junior CHF ???

WTF is with our coaching staff ?

[Simon_Nesbit]

Should be a good game. Box hill are starting to get a few more senior players back - obviously nothing like 10/12 but we should have a solid half-dozen "Good VFL" players in.

Hopefully the midfields come out relatively even so we get a good look at Dowler & Thorp v Rance & Shulz

Is that Jake King? If so it could be a battle of the mighty midgets....McGlynn v King.

(Hope it's not K3 - he'd just about kill him).

[Captain_Brown_7]

Anyone got the details of where and when? Wouldn't mind going down and seeing how Cogs goes.

[Benchwarmer77]

why exactly is gourdis playing CHB ????
wasnt he a junior CHF ???

WTF is with our coaching staff ?

Im with you !

They picked him on what he showed up forward now we are looking at making him a back ???

[tigers_of_old_08]

why exactly is gourdis playing CHB ????
wasnt he a junior CHF ???

WTF is with our coaching staff ?

Correct! I can only assume that it's part of his overall development??

[Moreaux]

Anyone got the details of where and when? Wouldn't mind going down and seeing how Cogs goes.


Box hill oval Capn Brown catch a Lilydale/belgrave train to Laburnum station and the oval is right there.
Cnr of Whitehorse and Middleborough roads
lets all get there and support the burgers while there away :thumbsu:

[Moreaux]

Originally Posted by mattdwyer http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11599244#post11599244)
why exactly is gourdis playing CHB ????
wasnt he a junior CHF ???

WTF is with our coaching staff ?
Correct! I can only assume that it's part of his overall development??

I remember hearing a recruiter say that there are a lot of tall forwards out there as juniors because not many players want to play in the backline.
this is apparently why mainly kpp forwards get drafted and then they try and turn them into backmen, apparently Rance and Tate Pears were two exceptions to the rule

[Top_4_Tiger]

The 12/10 rule only aplies against non-affiliated teams.

Therefore against Box Hill there is no limit to the amount of Richmond players that can play.

[Top_4_Tiger]

why exactly is gourdis playing CHB ????
wasnt he a junior CHF ???

WTF is with our coaching staff ?

Questioning our coaching?

It's common for young KPFs to be trained down back early in their careers. Teach them how defenders try to cut off your leads, increase their defensive qualities, test how committed they are to the team (by learning a difficult position that is less enjoyable) and most of all making them more versatile and useful so if they're not doing well up forward they can be switched down back.

Or you could let them rot in the reserve's forward line and not develop their game at all, whichever method you prefer :rolleyes:

In Dave's case he was not picked up in the ND. He was always a project player. Our coaches saw his strengths (elite pace, agility and aerial skills) to be a good fit for the backline, so we picked him in out of the leftovers bin as a project.


Hughes had training down back and he's bobbed up okay.

[Captain_Brown_7]

Im with you !

They picked him on what he showed up forward now we are looking at making him a back ???

Maybe they are throwing him down back as a learning curve.

He obviously knows how to play as a forward, but maybe they want him to see what his opponent is thinking to assist in his development.

[telsor]

Gourdis down back...

There was a good reason the guy slipped so far in the draft ( many rated him a 1st rounder ).

Yes, he's a decent size, has very sticky hands, is seriously quick ( not just for his size ) and athletic, but he has one tiny flaw which is particularly notable as a forward...his kicking is 'iffy'...Woeful tecnique, and while on a set shot it seems to work OK, when he needs to kick 'quickly' it's not a pretty sight. He really needs to be taught to kick again from the ground up.

So what do you do with a quick, athletic big man who can't kick? Stick him in the back line.

Hopefully, he'll improve his kicking and become a great KF, but if not, then that speed and athleticism will mean he'll be getting a lot of spoils in down back. ( and, as top 4 tiger said, either way, it'll broaden his skills ).

[telsor]

Seniors line up

B Howat Silvester Meyer
HB Pettifer Rance Collins
C Tivendale Caruso Raines
HF Horne Schulz Edwards
F Oakley-Nicholls Connors Polo
R Cartledge King Shelton
Int Corr Clifton Carnell
Putt Carrick Graham
McErlain Keogh


Love the lineup...

Connors at FF, with JON & Polo in the pockets...

Meyer in the BP.


You know, I think that, just maybe, they wont line up that way...

[Benchwarmer77]

Gourdis down back...

There was a good reason the guy slipped so far in the draft ( many rated him a 1st rounder ).

Yes, he's a decent size, has very sticky hands, is seriously quick ( not just for his size ) and athletic, but he has one tiny flaw which is particularly notable as a forward...his kicking is 'iffy'...Woeful tecnique, and while on a set shot it seems to work OK, when he needs to kick 'quickly' it's not a pretty sight. He really needs to be taught to kick again from the ground up.

So what do you do with a quick, athletic big man who can't kick? Stick him in the back line.

Hopefully, he'll improve his kicking and become a great KF, but if not, then that speed and athleticism will mean he'll be getting a lot of spoils in down back. ( and, as top 4 tiger said, either way, it'll broaden his skills ).

Makes sence - i just hope he does not get stuck down there...

[telsor]

Makes sence - i just hope he does not get stuck down there...

If we can really improve this guys kicking, he could easily be the steal of the draft. If not he could turn into a Gaspar...A good defender, but you get nervous every time he gets the ball in his hands.

It's a big IF though....But he's well worth the gamble considering where we took him.

[Top_4_Tiger]

Makes sence - i just hope he does not get stuck down there...

If he does get "stuck" down back then that means he's playing too well to be moved and we have ourselves a gun defender.

If he moves forward again then he'll have more tricks than ever.

Every AFL club develops their KPP's like this now, the days of 1 position players are gone. Even Lance Franklin gets moved to the midfield/backline during a poor day up forward and it allows him to have an influence on an otherwise poor game.


I hope that helps some people understand why Gooey isn't just played up forward.

[PHX]

Whats the 10/12 Rule ? Does it involve Andy Collins kicking 10 goals 12from the back flank


The 12/10 rule is when an AFL alligned team like Coburg, Casey or Sandringham play a "stand alone team" like Tassie, Frankston or Port Melbourne to even it up or something like that in those games the AFL alligned teams can only field 12 players from the AFL teams list and the other 10 must come from the VFL sides list. In any other week we can field however many we want or can negotiate with Coburg.

Hope that covers it. :thumbsu:

[Saturday@2]

Gourdis down back...

There was a good reason the guy slipped so far in the draft ( many rated him a 1st rounder ).

Yes, he's a decent size, has very sticky hands, is seriously quick ( not just for his size ) and athletic, but he has one tiny flaw which is particularly notable as a forward...his kicking is 'iffy'...Woeful tecnique, and while on a set shot it seems to work OK, when he needs to kick 'quickly' it's not a pretty sight. He really needs to be taught to kick again from the ground up.


Interesting point there. I've long thought that in cases like this (and D Kellaway, D Gaspar) that the club should have turned them into opposite side players. So Gourdis and Kellaway become right footers and Gaspar a lefty. The reasoning behind this is that I don't believe that you can uncoach 18 years of bad habits the player has leant on their natural foot. However you can teach the correct mechanics from the ground up so that they become technically correct on their opposite foot.

[telsor]

Iteresting point there. I've long thought that in cases like this (and D Kellaway, D Gaspar) that the club should have turned them into opposite side players. So Goudis and Kellaway become right footers and Gaspar a lefty. The reasoning behind this is that I don't believe that you can uncoach 18 years of bad habits the player has leant on their natural foot. However you can teach the correct mechanics from the groud up so that they become technically correct on their opposite foot.

Interesting idea.

Probably depends on the player though, some people are naturally ambidexterous, others (like me) can barely use their 'wrong' side for much of anything.

I'd guess it wouldn't work for most, but for a few it's be a good idea.

[davemills]

why exactly is gourdis playing CHB ????
wasnt he a junior CHF ???

WTF is with our coaching staff ?

Matt, c-mon mate, with due respect to you, there has been no lack of coverage that the RFC intention was to rookie him in the attempt to turn him into a key defender.

I whole heartedly agree with the move. From my perspective with a LOT of work he could end up being a very capable defender.

Consider some simple ideas, at 193 he is slightly short for a key forward post even given his leap, but ideally sized for key defenders post. He has awsome closing speed to pester his opposition. We lack key talls desperatley. It appears he may not be the most natural of footballers, and thus he has more chance as a 'dour' backman than creative forward. Even if he reverts to the forward line in two years time, how much do you think he may have learned about keeping the ball in the forward 50? I really could go on ...

Now how about giving the RFC some due respect as well?

[mattdwyer]

Matt, c-mon mate, with due respect to you, there has been no lack of coverage that the RFC intention was to rookie him in the attempt to turn him into a key defender.

I whole heartedly agree with the move. From my perspective with a LOT of work he could end up being a very capable defender.

Consider some simple ideas, at 193 he is slightly short for a key forward post even given his leap, but ideally sized for key defenders post. He has awsome closing speed to pester his opposition. We lack key talls desperatley. It appears he may not be the most natural of footballers, and thus he has more chance as a 'dour' backman than creative forward. Even if he reverts to the forward line in two years time, how much do you think he may have learned about keeping the ball in the forward 50? I really could go on ...

Now how about giving the RFC some due respect as well?

yeahh maybe your right .. i really dont want to see this go down the gurgler .. i actually wouldnt mind seeing him at CHB & rance @ Full Back

i'm not to sure where he would prefer to play :rolleyes:

[scarecrow2k1]

Ive probably missed where it was written but I could see where the game is held but not the date/time

[nineteen eighty]

Questioning our coaching?

It's common for young KPFs to be trained down back early in their careers. Teach them how defenders try to cut off your leads, increase their defensive qualities, test how committed they are to the team (by learning a difficult position that is less enjoyable) and most of all making them more versatile and useful so if they're not doing well up forward they can be switched down back.

Or you could let them rot in the reserve's forward line and not develop their game at all, whichever method you prefer :rolleyes:

In Dave's case he was not picked up in the ND. He was always a project player. Our coaches saw his strengths (elite pace, agility and aerial skills) to be a good fit for the backline, so we picked him in out of the leftovers bin as a project.


Hughes had training down back and he's bobbed up okay.

Spot on! No issue with him playing CHB.

Can anyone fill me in on how Putt is traveling? Has he been injured and coming back via the ressies or is it form related?

[scroda]

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Coburg Ressies win
11.17
11.9

Coughlan 7 touches and a goal in the first quarter

[WATIGE]

Was that 7 touches for the game or the quarter?

How much time did he play and did he pull up OK?

[scroda]

Was that 7 touches for the game or the quarter?

How much time did he play and did he pull up OK?

i understood it to be 7 in the first quarter
not sure about the rest of the game, that's all i could pick up

[JDC!]

Was that 7 touches for the game or the quarter?

How much time did he play and did he pull up OK?

Seven for the quarter.

[JDC!]

First goal to Pettifer.

Coburg 1.0 (6)
Box Hill Hawks 0.0 (0)

[JDC!]

Coburg 1.0 (6)
Box Hill 1.1 (7)

[bigrayohall20]

This comentary is starting to sound like k-rock when the cats are playing.

[getthefooty]

Anyone know how Cogs went for the other 3 quarters?

[JDC!]

Coburg 1.0 (6)
Box Hill 2.1 (13)

[bigrayohall20]

2 clangers for JON. :D

[JDC!]

Coburg 1.0 (6)
Box Hill 2.2 (14)

Oakley-Nicholls is stuffing it up a bit.

[JDC!]

Coburg 1.0 (6)
Box Hill 3.2 (20)

[banzai]

Meyer to Tiv for a goal

[JDC!]

Coburg 2.0 (12)
Box Hill 3.2 (20)

[marco polo]

Good goal to Connors

3. 0 (18)
3. 2 (20)

[JDC!]

Good goal to Connors.

Coburg 3.0 (18)
Box Hill 3.2 (20)

[JDC!]

Coburg 4.0 (24)
Box Hill 3.2 (20)

[patto_man]

Good goal to Connors.

Coburg 3.0 (18)
Box Hill 3.2 (20)

[JDC!]

Coburg 4.0 (24)
Box Hill 4.3 (27)

[getthefooty]

Sorry if i've missed it, what station is this being broadcast on? Thanks

[JDC!]

Collins goal.

Coburg 5.0 (30)
Box Hill 4.3 (27)

[Ruanaidh]

Collins goal and is playing well generally.

Cob: 6 straight
BH: 4.3

Graham playing well

[JDC!]

Coburg 6.0 (36)
Box Hill 4.3 (27)

[Ruanaidh]

Sorry if i've missed it, what station is this being broadcast on? Thanks94.1 fm

[patto_man]

top that jdc

[Ruanaidh]

cob: 7 straight!

[JDC!]

Coburg 7.0 (42)
Box Hill 4.5 (29)

Goals:

Pettifer, Collins, Graham, Caruso, Corr, Connors, Tivendale.

Quarter Time.

[Realistic Tiger]

2008 VFL Reserves

Box Hill Hawks 1.2 3.6 6.8 11.9 (75)
Coburg Tigers 3.4 6.6 8.13 11.17 (83)

GOALS:
Box Hill Hawks: Hatton 3 Sandilands 3 Carey 2 Bull Hoegel Hogan
Coburg Tigers: Currie 2 Gazzo 2 De Sousa 2 Rayson Coughlan Cattapan Jordon Robertson

BEST:
Box Hill Hawks: Carey Papaluca Cross Hatton Daniher Tomkins
Coburg Tigers: Gazzo Riddle Putt De Sousa Clifton Caruso

[Drunken Wookie]

Is the 3WBC radio stream not working for anyone else?

[JDC!]

Where is Collard?

[Realistic Tiger]

Is the 3WBC radio stream not working for anyone else?
Yeah wouldn't open for me, so I've gone back to the old wireless:thumbsu:, a little static and crackle makes it a little annoying:thumbsd:, but not as much as the kids making noise. :(

[getthefooty]

Is the 3WBC radio stream not working for anyone else?
yeah, me. I think its only for those in the eastern suburbs?

[Belly #12]

3WBC isnt working for me either.

[bigrayohall20]

3WBC isnt working for me either.

Should be in Geelong. Its fine down here!!

[Ruanaidh]

Yeah wouldn't open for me, so I've gone back to the old wireless:thumbsu:, a little static and crackle makes it a little annoying:thumbsd:, but not as much as the kids making noise. :(Keep trying RT. I've finally found a crackle free area in the kitchen on top of the MW oven with the antenna touching the handle of the sandwich maker:thumbsu:

[the ranger]

i can't get the radio station or internet stream :(

[NQTIGER]

we are all over them , working fine 8-4 to 5-5

[NQTIGER]

Connors gets his second 9-4 to 5-5

[NQTIGER]

9-4 to 5-6

[ghaxor]

connors is hopeless, what's he doing prancing around and kicking goals

[NQTIGER]

9-7 to 5-7 23 minute mark

[JDC!]

We have been inaccurate this quarter.

[the ranger]

bugger it..i'm gonna head over and try to catch the 2nd half

[JDC!]

bugger it..i'm gonna head over and try to catch the 2nd half

That's the spirit. :thumbsu:

[Realistic Tiger]

Half time
9.7 to 5.7 as mentioned very inaccurate that 1/4 kicking 2.7

[Realistic Tiger]

King goals 30 seconds into the 3rd quarter. Lead by 5 goals, wait, Edwards goals another 30 seconds after that. 6 goal lead. Hang on, Cartledge goals a minute later. 7 goal lead now.

[TigerBabe]

King goals 30 seconds into the 3rd quarter. Lead by 5 goals, wait, Edwards goals another 30 seconds after that. 6 goal lead. Hang on, Cartledge goals a minute later. 7 goal lead now.

thats 3 goals in 2 minutes? ____ only if the AFL team could play like that.

[bigrayohall20]

Hamstring for Raines by the sounds of it.

[getthefooty]

Hamstring for Raines by the sounds of it.

____

[TigerBabe]

Hamstring for Raines by the sounds of it.

____ sake. hope your wrrong.

[JDC!]

Hamstring for Raines by the sounds of it.

Yep that's not good. :thumbsd:

[bigrayohall20]

____ sake. hope your wrrong.

Apparently on the bench with ice on it so not sure how bad.

[marco polo]

Collins apparently been good all game.
Oakley-Nicholls been better down back this quarter

[JDC!]

Coburg 13.8 (86)
Box Hill 5.12 (42)

[bigrayohall20]

Another one. 2 for Pettifer.

[NQTIGER]

Another one. 2 for Pettifer.



Senior recall for that.........not

[Realistic Tiger]

3/4 time:
Coburg 14.8
Box Hill 8.14

[patto_man]

couglain is back what a legend hopefully can lift the tigers

[patto_man]

how do you know the score?

[Realistic Tiger]

Polo hits the post 30 second into last quarter, BTW Patto listening to the game on the radio.

[getthefooty]

94.1 FM... not working for me though :(

[Big Bad Buddy]

3/4 time:
Coburg 14.8
Box Hill 8.14


Who have been the best for Coburg so far and who have not been good?

[Benchwarmer77]

Radio maybe ? thats where i have it on.

[Realistic Tiger]

Meyer gets his first goal for the game. Coburg 15.9 Box Hill 8.14.
Spreading the goal kicking around 13 players have a goal.

[Brooksy88]

It's School Holidays hey? :p

[Realistic Tiger]

Carnell gets his second. 16.9.105 to 8.14.62

[patto_man]

what station is it on?

[getthefooty]

what station is it on?


Mentioned about 5 times already, and as well as me when u asked how RT knew the scores. 94.1 FM...for the last time :p

[patto_man]

Mentioned about 5 times already, and as well as me when u asked how RT knew the scores. 94.1 FM...for the last time :p
im not staying on this thread you prick
and thankyou

[Realistic Tiger]

Who have been the best for Coburg so far and who have not been good?
Haven't been listening the whole game, but from what I have heard: Cartledge Tivendale King Silvestor have been probably the best from Richmonds list.

[patto_man]

btw getthefooty
you said that 94.1 wasnt working
i want a station that works