View Full Version : Best thing ever the Tiges DIDNT pick up Buddy Franklin
If we had, he (Buddy) surely would have been the difference in a few games in the last few years to alter our selection number, and we wouldn’t have picked up Cotchin.
So it beges the question.
Cothin looks the Likely type to join Ablett and Judd as Champion midfielders (not putting pressure on him, but he dose look special) and with recent media debates on who is this years best, Buddy or Ablett, biased fans aside, it appears the journos and ex-player journos favour Ablett as he is more damaging being in the mid-field.
So who thinks we would benefit long term with a superstar mid, or a superstar forward?
I like the Ablett/Judd comparison favoured by the non-hawk experts.
What do others think?
getthefooty
4 Jul 2008, 00:21
Interesting perspective.
I still would've preferred Buddy :D
If we had, he (Buddy) surely would have been the difference in a few games in the last few years to alter our selection number, and we wouldn’t have picked up Cotchin.
So it beges the question.
Cothin looks the Likely type to join Ablett and Judd as Champion midfielders (not putting pressure on him, but he dose look special) and with recent media debates on who is this years best, Buddy or Ablett, biased fans aside, it appears the journos and ex-player journos favour Ablett as he is more damaging being in the mid-field.
So who thinks we would benefit long term with a superstar mid, or a superstar forward?
I like the Ablett/Judd comparison favoured by the non-hawk experts.
What do others think?
Cotchin looks great ... I remember watching Ablett in on of his first games and he looked good... it took him 3-4 years to be considered an elite player. I think Cotchin will reach it quicker.
richcogs
4 Jul 2008, 00:30
Bazaar this is absolute stupidity! Best thing ever you say? This thread actually pisses me off. We made a mistake we should all have accepted it by now. Buddy Franklin has been in the top 3 players for this season and he's only 21 and is on track for a hundred goals. Look Cotch will be a star, but the value of a Star KPP is higher than that of a star midfielder. Palmer/Masten and Buddy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tambling and Cotch (not Cotches falt). Look many supporters would probley say Buddy >>> Cotch and Tambling as most people don't rate Tambling at all.
Bazaar this is absolute stupidity! Best thing ever you say?
I ment to say "was it" in the title but i couldnt change it.
Can the MODS change it please
Top_4_Tiger
4 Jul 2008, 00:49
I agree.
Cotchin will be about equal with Buddy in a couple of years, but Cotchin has mroe value to us because he is 4 years younger.
We've been able to spend 4 years recruiting depth in talent then right near the end of our rebuild we pick up our elite superstar so we've got him for as long as possible.
Great strategy :thumbsu:
rfctigerarmy
4 Jul 2008, 01:37
Its hardly a strategy.
Only time will tell to see how this all works out. Winners are grinners...?
Its hardly a strategy.
Only time will tell to see how this all works out. Winners are grinners...?
Obviously It was never intended as a post on strategy. Impossible for the Tiges to foresee a player like Cotch coming to the club. It was more luck than anything. Either way the Tiges would have won, but as I said, what would everyone prefer, a Gun Champion mid-fielder or KPP
getthefooty
4 Jul 2008, 02:06
It isn't as Black and White as that. Who's to say that we might've got Buddy and still stayed down the bottom? Franklin may have developed differently at the Tigers, maybe Tambling might've had more of an impact that Buddy would've. Extremely unlikely, but I don't get why the choice has to be made between Cotch and Franklin.
Wally Matera
4 Jul 2008, 02:10
Bazaar this is absolute stupidity! Best thing ever you say? This thread actually pisses me off. We made a mistake we should all have accepted it by now. Buddy Franklin has been in the top 3 players for this season and he's only 21 and is on track for a hundred goals. Look Cotch will be a star, but the value of a Star KPP is higher than that of a star midfielder. Palmer/Masten and Buddy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tambling and Cotch (not Cotches falt). Look many supporters would probley say Buddy >>> Cotch and Tambling as most people don't rate Tambling at all.
Maggot of the highest order....
Go and dive under a bus.
FWIW - l'm in love with Cotchin, but Franklin is well... ____ing awesome.
Coach_Required
4 Jul 2008, 02:15
If we had, he (Buddy) surely would have been the difference in a few games in the last few years to alter our selection number, and we wouldn’t have picked up Cotchin.
So it beges the question.
Cothin looks the Likely type to join Ablett and Judd as Champion midfielders (not putting pressure on him, but he dose look special) and with recent media debates on who is this years best, Buddy or Ablett, biased fans aside, it appears the journos and ex-player journos favour Ablett as he is more damaging being in the mid-field.
So who thinks we would benefit long term with a superstar mid, or a superstar forward?
I like the Ablett/Judd comparison favoured by the non-hawk experts.
What do others think?
Your suggesting that Richmond would have got the best out of Buddy like Hawthorn.
To buck your arguement, I would say Buddy would have been stuck in Coburg as an unknown talent and we still would of won/lost the spoon last year and got Cotchin too :mad::p
Hows that for a theory? I think mine is more believable as this would be something we would do.
Mario Speedwagon
4 Jul 2008, 02:28
Your suggesting that Richmond would have got the best out of Buddy like Hawthorn.
To buck your arguement, I would say Buddy would have been stuck in Coburg as an unknown talent and we still would of won/lost the spoon last year and got Cotchin too :mad::p
Hows that for a theory? I think mine is more believable as this would be something we would do.
Yep. that's pretty much what I reckon would've happened...the minute he started getting in Richo's way...as Wallace would've probably had them both in the square...meanwhile Dawks fans would still be laughing at us as a freed up Tambling , not being overcoached or forced in front of cameras with JON like a pair of monkeys on show after dreamtime games, tears it up in the Hawthorn midfield with Crawford , Mitchell and co. under Clarkson's superior coaching... and there in lies the real problem..Wallace simply cannot coach and his regime simply cannot develop players properly...
Your suggesting that Richmond would have got the best out of Buddy like Hawthorn.
To buck your arguement, I would say Buddy would have been stuck in Coburg as an unknown talent and we still would of won/lost the spoon last year and got Cotchin too :mad::p
Hows that for a theory? I think mine is more believable as this would be something we would do.
100% correct
LMAO Coach
LMFAO @ Franklin playing in the Coburg Reserves and fighting it out with Cleve Hughes for a game at Coburg seniors
Your suggesting that Richmond would have got the best out of Buddy like Hawthorn.
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No not at all. A talent like Buddy wouldnt be languishing in the Coburg team, thats absurd. Maybe I didn’t explain it clear enough, or you have miss understood what I posted. I was making the assumption that he may have been the difference in getting us over the line in an extra few games that would have changed our ladder possition, priority pick and the inevitable number 2 we recieved.
Maybe someone here will be able to work out how many extra wins in the last 2 seasons would have prevented us from getting pick 2 last year. And Cotchin was either 1 or 2 depending on what club wanted a ruck or midfielder.
Unfortunately the 2004 draft is long gone, and as we all know Franklin has developed into the star player he now has, and he is entrenched at the Hawks. But it takes more than one player to make a side. Cotchin will in the next couple of years join Deledio and Foley who will at that stage have about 100 games experience. as well as Tambling, Coughlan Newman and co to form a pretty strong midfield.
And i know that it's been lost in the hype, but you would have to be pretty happy with Cleve Hughes kicking 6 goals against the Dees? I mean he has only played a handful of games, and from memory it took Franklin about 25 games or so to actually kick a bag like that. Give him more game time and allow him to establish himself in the forward line and the Tigers could have a bloke who can look dangerous too. I just reckon that even though much gnashing of teeth has been done in the whole Franklin deaft scenario, the only answer is to move forward and build your own structure, with players from your own drafting.
Team demographically the Tigers still have a list that is skewed toward many young players, and there are few players who fall into the games/age demographic of Geelong as an example. But in 3 years time, that will be a different story. Brown, Richo, Bowden will be retired by then, and the young ones drafted after 2004 onwards will be the core of the side. Have faith in the 2011 scenario, i reckon that things are working in that direction for your club.
mattdwyer
4 Jul 2008, 08:45
yehh it best thing fot the hawks that we didnt pick him up :D
turtle27
4 Jul 2008, 09:32
Unfortunately the 2004 draft is long gone, and as we all know Franklin has developed into the star player he now has, and he is entrenched at the Hawks. But it takes more than one player to make a side. Cotchin will in the next couple of years join Deledio and Foley who will at that stage have about 100 games experience. as well as Tambling, Coughlan Newman and co to form a pretty strong midfield.
And i know that it's been lost in the hype, but you would have to be pretty happy with Cleve Hughes kicking 6 goals against the Dees? I mean he has only played a handful of games, and from memory it took Franklin about 25 games or so to actually kick a bag like that. Give him more game time and allow him to establish himself in the forward line and the Tigers could have a bloke who can look dangerous too. I just reckon that even though much gnashing of teeth has been done in the whole Franklin draft scenario, the only answer is to move forward and build your own structure, with players from your own drafting.
Team demographically the Tigers still have a list that is skewed toward many young players, and there are few players who fall into the games/age demographic of Geelong as an example. But in 3 years time, that will be a different story. Brown, Richo, Bowden will be retired by then, and the young ones drafted after 2004 onwards will be the core of the side. Have faith in the 2011 scenario, i reckon that things are working in that direction for your club.A lot of us on here can see that Catsace, unfortunately a lot cannot, and are a little more impatient.
richcogs
4 Jul 2008, 10:01
It not as simple as Bazaar makes it out to be. But if I were to choose out of Buddy (STAR/Most exciting in the AFL) and Palmer (Gun player with flair) or Cotchin (STAR) and Tambling (average player) it would be an easy choice. I'm being real here. And anyway who knows like someone said before we might of got both Buddy and Cotchin.
Spielvogel
4 Jul 2008, 15:21
if we had of taken buddy he may not have developed properly. he may have even broken his leg or something. theres a million other factors that could come into play to make buddy less of a player he is today.
Peter SasseGum
4 Jul 2008, 18:03
For sure. We don't want to become buddy centric like the Hawks, but become a side with all round team players backed by strong depth.
Well done to TW, Miller and the recruiting department for recongising the need to put together a well balanced list of players who are totally focused on the sides best interests :thumbsu:
King_Mallee
4 Jul 2008, 19:21
This post is a shocker. Premature ejaculation if I've ever seen it
mattdwyer
4 Jul 2008, 20:04
Cotchin was always going to come to Richmond Anyways .. it was written in the Bible Millions of years ago !!!!
richmond not getting franklin was simply a case off, we took the best available play on paper and by resume which was tambling .. it just so happened to turn out that franklin is better ... ATM ... alot can change in 1 season of footy, so writing off tambling isnt never gonna happen in my book .. he might yet prove every body wrong :D
The Bower Man!
5 Jul 2008, 11:32
Did anyone notice in the Richmond/Hawthorn game (yes - scrappy at best) that despite the umpires best efforts to position Franklin right in front of the goal square with a plethora of free kicks, he still couldn't manage to kick straight! I still think he's over rated (at the moment). Without guys like Roughead for Buddy to suck off (figuratively if you like) he wouldn't quite be the (umpire groupie player) he is. This goes with the territory of course.. Even Foley started getting more frees than usual once the media noticed him. Umps are no different to fifteen year old girls really.
bigstyletiger
5 Jul 2008, 18:06
It not as simple as Bazaar makes it out to be. But if I were to choose out of Buddy (STAR/Most exciting in the AFL) and Palmer (Gun player with flair) or Cotchin (STAR) and Tambling (average player) it would be an easy choice. I'm being real here. And anyway who knows like someone said before we might of got both Buddy and Cotchin.
Fair enough logic Richcogs but I would argue that if we had picked Palmer he would soon become a whipping boy. He is exciting and he does get plenty of the ball but on the downside he commits a great deal of clangers. He is a clanger king and for this reason I believe that as soon we got over how good he is for a kid we would be calling for his blood.
Buddy is a gun and one of if not the most exciting player in the comp. But he comes accross as a tool and I'm happy our club has chosen not to draft guys like that. A gun KP player doesn't guarentee success. How long have we had Richo for. Fremantle with Pav, St Kilda/Sydney with T Lockett etc etc.
Cotchin and a unified team of good kids rather than no cotchin and a Buddy centric individualistic side. i like the direction we are going in. Draft a tall like McKernan this year and forget Buddy.
Top_4_Tiger
5 Jul 2008, 19:27
Did anyone notice in the Richmond/Hawthorn game (yes - scrappy at best) that despite the umpires best efforts to position Franklin right in front of the goal square with a plethora of free kicks, he still couldn't manage to kick straight! I still think he's over rated (at the moment). Without guys like Roughead for Buddy to suck off (figuratively if you like) he wouldn't quite be the (umpire groupie player) he is. This goes with the territory of course.. Even Foley started getting more frees than usual once the media noticed him. Umps are no different to fifteen year old girls really.
Buddy has the worst free kicks against tally in the league, and the greatest difference between for/against in the league... so definately not an umpire's pet.
patto_man
5 Jul 2008, 21:26
hate buddy and cotchin is a way better player than buddy buddy cant do anything but kick goals cotchin shits all over buddy and i proffer tambling any day to buddy
patto_man
5 Jul 2008, 21:29
Cotchin was always going to come to Richmond Anyways .. it was written in the Bible Millions of years ago !!!!
richmond not getting franklin was simply a case off, we took the best available play on paper and by resume which was tambling .. it just so happened to turn out that franklin is better ... ATM ... alot can change in 1 season of footy, so writing off tambling isnt never gonna happen in my book .. he might yet prove every body wrong :D
i like the way you think ive had enough of everybody bagging Richard Tambling i do believe he will prove everybody wrong!
Bazaar this is absolute stupidity! Best thing ever you say? This thread actually pisses me off. We made a mistake we should all have accepted it by now. Buddy Franklin has been in the top 3 players for this season and he's only 21 and is on track for a hundred goals. Look Cotch will be a star, but the value of a Star KPP is higher than that of a star midfielder. Palmer/Masten and Buddy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tambling and Cotch (not Cotches falt). Look many supporters would probley say Buddy >>> Cotch and Tambling as most people don't rate Tambling at all.
Not Tambling's fault either.
matsta1975
7 Jul 2008, 08:03
hate buddy and cotchin is a way better player than buddy buddy cant do anything but kick goals cotchin shits all over buddy and i proffer tambling any day to buddy
Yeah how true buddy can only kick goals and is one dimensional. How ridiculous of clarko sitting him there for that reason in fact i can not believe Dunstall and Lockett where allowed to do the same, 100 goals in a season is so easy to do and invaluable in todays football.
YOU WISH
Coach_Required
7 Jul 2008, 16:11
Yeah how true buddy can only kick goals and is one dimensional. How ridiculous of clarko sitting him there for that reason in fact i can not believe Dunstall and Lockett where allowed to do the same, 100 goals in a season is so easy to do and invaluable in todays football.
YOU WISH
was his post serious? I just thought he was being sarcastic :p
MY BAD :o
krustyman
7 Jul 2008, 23:59
definately need a player who can kick 5 or so goals even when he isnt playing very well.
bomba4eva
8 Jul 2008, 02:36
For sure. We don't want to become buddy centric like the Hawks, but become a side with all round team players backed by strong depth.
Well done to TW, Miller and the recruiting department for recongising the need to put together a well balanced list of players who are totally focused on the sides best interests :thumbsu:
To an opposition fan you provide a good laugh with your constant 'Well done to TW...' but surely the Tiger fans have figured out that you are a troll? It is plain as day yet most have failed to recognise you for the fraud you are. Some of the stuff you come up with is comedic gold. Look forward to your next 'Well Done to TW.....':thumbsu:
Mario Speedwagon
8 Jul 2008, 14:44
To an opposition fan you provide a good laugh with your constant 'Well done to TW...' but surely the Tiger fans have figured out that you are a troll? It is plain as day yet most have failed to recognise you for the fraud you are. Some of the stuff you come up with is comedic gold. Look forward to your next 'Well Done to TW.....':thumbsu:
No , most of us figured him out within the first week...although a few nupties are still biting...:o
To an opposition fan you provide a good laugh with your constant 'Well done to TW...' but surely the Tiger fans have figured out that you are a troll? It is plain as day yet most have failed to recognise you for the fraud you are. Some of the stuff you come up with is comedic gold. Look forward to your next 'Well Done to TW.....':thumbsu:
not only do opposition fans get a good laugh...:D;)
does P.Sassegum post on the main board or Bay13...if he doesn't I say we get him there pronto
Kurtis G
9 Jul 2008, 05:14
Hopefully Wallace keeps Coth gettin ball through the midfield and doesnt do what he did to deledio and play him here there and everywhere else before hand.