Who Would You Prefer?

[Realistic Tiger]

Bit of talk in recent weeks about possible pick ups in the off season. Players like Cousins, Warnock, Kerr, Mundy and now Prismall have been bandied around. So I thought it seems like a great time for a poll. Quite simple which player would you like us to target and why.

[JSFish]

I'd be happy with either Warnock or Prismall. Cousins too old, Kerr also would be further to the end of his career than the start, plus he's a ________, and Mundy isn't that good. Prismall looks like a better player than Warnock, but Warnock may fit what we need a bit better.

[tony_montana]

Warnock number 1 priority, liked the look of him from last year, desperately need a tall ruckman and I dont believe we have any quality in this dptmnt.

Kerr isnt out of contract, is a star and we would have to give up too much for him.

Prismall is a bit of a jet, going to be a fine player.

Cousins, no not interested, dont like his attitude and has limited time left in the game.

Mundy, not bad but not high on my shopping list, better version of pat bowden so nothing to get a chubby over.

SO

Warnock clear number 1 priority

Prismall 2 at a pinch

[TigerPower]

I'd be happy with either Warnock or Prismall. Cousins too old, Kerr also would be further to the end of his career than the start, plus he's a ________, and Mundy isn't that good. Prismall looks like a better player than Warnock, but Warnock may fit what we need a bit better.
ARE YOU ALL F___EN SERIOUS, why they hell would you target prismal when he cant make the best team of a grand final side, when thats what we want to build. We dont want LESSER shitty players. This is what made us shit in the first place (trading away picks for players) i mean wtf? JUST WAKE THE F__K UP ALL OF YOU.

p.s. Cousins on the other hand is a good idea because he is a premiership player and can nuture the development of youngsters.

[skybeau]

Wouldn't mind Adam Thomson from Port. Similar style of player to Prismall but would come far cheaper.

[tony_montana]

ARE YOU ALL F___EN SERIOUS, why they hell would you target prismal when he cant make the best team of a grand final side, when thats what we want to build. We dont want LESSER shitty players. This is what made us shit in the first place (trading away picks for players) i mean wtf? JUST WAKE THE F__K UP ALL OF YOU.

p.s. Cousins on the other hand is a good idea because he is a premiership player and can nuture the development of youngsters.


are you seriously that effin dumb? :o

[King_Mallee]

Prefer Daniel Kerr. None of the above interest me too much

[coughs2richo]

u guys have to wake up and realize warnock is ridiculously overated, the fact that he is winning the poll over cousins and prismall is nothing short of stupidity, how do we need a ruckman when we are gromming around 4 for the next 5 years (at least). warnock = next seaby, anyway my vote goes to prismall, toss up between cousins and him , but prisimal due to age for me.

[getthefooty]

I wouldn't mind either Prismall or Warnock. As long as we don't give up any 1st rounders/young guns, I'd be happy to trade for these two. Preference to Warnock because of the need for rucks. Who would you prefer RT?

[Kurtis G]

I wouldn't mind either Prismall or Warnock. As long as we don't give up any 1st rounders/young guns, I'd be happy to trade for these two. Preference to Warnock because of the need for rucks. Who would you prefer RT?
We are never going to have a power house ruck line up recruiting 2nd rate ruckmen from other clubs. Warnock would be okay to boost the stocks, but its a shame we havent got a home grown ruckman ready to take the reigns with simmonds. We did okay out of the Ottens trade, and Stafford was good in the middle for the short time he spent with us, but Knobel never stepped up, Patto is yet to and Simmonds looks like he might go better supporting a better player. A Benny Gale type would be good, but I think we are going to have to give up a decent selection or player or both to get a match winning ruckman onto the list.

[getthefooty]

We are never going to have a power house ruck line up recruiting 2nd rate ruckmen from other clubs. Warnock would be okay to boost the stocks, but its a shame we havent got a home grown ruckman ready to take the reigns with simmonds. We did okay out of the Ottens trade, and Stafford was good in the middle for the short time he spent with us, but Knobel never stepped up, Patto is yet to and Simmonds looks like he might go better supporting a better player. A Benny Gale type would be good, but I think we are going to have to give up a decent selection or player or both to get a match winning ruckman onto the list.

What so you suggest then?? Warnock is young and should provide a long term solution when he gains more experience. Importantly, he also can come straight into the team relieving Patto while providing time for Graham, Putt etc to mature.

[Realistic Tiger]

ARE YOU ALL F___EN SERIOUS, why they hell would you target prismal when he cant make the best team of a grand final side, when thats what we want to build. We dont want LESSER shitty players. This is what made us shit in the first place (trading away picks for players) i mean wtf? JUST WAKE THE F__K UP ALL OF YOU.

p.s. Cousins on the other hand is a good idea because he is a premiership player and can nuture the development of youngsters.
OK tell us, who out of Ablett, Bartel. Corey, Enright, Ling, Kelly or Selwood would you pick after Prismall in the almighty Geelong side?

I wouldn't mind either Prismall or Warnock. As long as we don't give up any 1st rounders/young guns, I'd be happy to trade for these two. Preference to Warnock because of the need for rucks. Who would you prefer RT?
Went with Warnock just ahead of Prismall, simple reason being I would prefer to boost an area that we really need help in than add another mid sized player.

[Azzurri Blues]

Judd

[NQTIGER]

Judd


Go back to lygon st malaka brain

[sonvolt17]

Prefer Daniel Connors to play every game for the rest of the year.

[TigerGlory]

Kerr.

The best out of the lot in my opinion, has a good amount of experience to aid Foley, Cotchin and Deledio in their development. Had played in and won a Premiership, is in the Top 3 or 4 midfielders in the competition, and is the added bit of polish we need in our midfield, which is very exciting.

His discipline problems wouldnt be to difficult to control in my opinion, he'd be away from the Weagles for a start, but if theres one thing Wallace is good at, its sorting blokes out discipline wise. He did it with Richo and his on-field behaviour, hes also fixed up Polly and Simmo since they came from Perth, both were known as knuckleheads, but they havent put a foot wrong since arriving here.

We might have to give up a little bit, HOWEVER, im sure the Weagles would be content for draft picks, one of our younger guys, or a classy player like Coughlan(provided he showed a bit if he gets any game time this year), im sure a player like Schulz would attract interest.

This is all providing that Kerr would like to come. Im positive that the Blues could not legally fit Kerr in the cap with Judd and Fevola taking most of the packet. If Kerr wanted to come to Victoria, im sure Tigerland would be a pretty appropriate place.

[Wally Matera]

To think Cousins isnt leading this poll astounds me. Firstly... costs nothing but a PSD pick. Secondly, you are getting one of the all-time greatest players ever to play with still so much to play for for nearly 1/3 of the price he was playing at WCE.

And finally, l cant even imagine what skills and coaching he could do to Foley (in particular!) in being able to shake a tag, Lids and Cotchin in their endurance and Bling in consistency. ;)

And there's some people who are still keen to get Warnock?!?! :rolleyes: 12 games my friends, 12 games... What the ____ are you guys on? :eek:

[paolo]

[quote=Azzurri Blues;11605520]Judd


keep him

[getthefooty]

Kerr.

The best out of the lot in my opinion, has a good amount of experience to aid Foley, Cotchin and Deledio in their development. Had played in and won a Premiership, is in the Top 3 or 4 midfielders in the competition, and is the added bit of polish we need in our midfield, which is very exciting.

His discipline problems wouldnt be to difficult to control in my opinion, he'd be away from the Weagles for a start, but if theres one thing Wallace is good at, its sorting blokes out discipline wise. He did it with Richo and his on-field behaviour, hes also fixed up Polly and Simmo since they came from Perth, both were known as knuckleheads, but they havent put a foot wrong since arriving here.

We might have to give up a little bit, HOWEVER, im sure the Weagles would be content for draft picks, one of our younger guys, or a classy player like Coughlan(provided he showed a bit if he gets any game time this year), im sure a player like Schulz would attract interest.

This is all providing that Kerr would like to come. Im positive that the Blues could not legally fit Kerr in the cap with Judd and Fevola taking most of the packet. If Kerr wanted to come to Victoria, im sure Tigerland would be a pretty appropriate place.


Firstly, Kerr is on the decline and I don't think we need top up players for tilts at the premiership yet. Maybe in 2 years a player like Kerr would be a viable option, but at the moment the cost is too great compared to what we would get out of him.

I also don't think giving up draft picks is the way to go. We are rebuilding and it is crucial to keep these intact. Likewise with a younger guy, unless it is JON. I don't think the Weagles would go for Coughlan, given his injury woes - even if he got back on the park this year.

No thanks

[Wally Matera]

Firstly, Kerr is on the decline and I don't think we need top up players for tilts at the premiership yet.

Stay off the drugs.

When you lose support like Judd and Cousins, anyone would decline. The guy is a champion.

[getthefooty]

Stay off the drugs.

When you lose support like Judd and Cousins, anyone would decline. The guy is a champion.

I never said he wasn't a champion, rather he is getting older and probably not in our best interests.

[Wally Matera]

I never said he wasn't a champion, rather he is getting older and probably not in our best interests.

I beg to differ... still young enough to be put on a 5 year contract.

Daniel Kerr - turned 25 in May
Chris Judd - turns 25 in September

Think before you speak :rolleyes:

[balmainforever]

Is there any reason why we keep wanting ruckman/talls from other clubs??
If we are going to go after anyone, we need someone who can get the ball and hit targets!!

[getthefooty]

If Wallace recruits another squib this year just because he's 25 or 26... l'll burn the place down.4) If Wallace recruits another squib this year just because he's 25 or 26... l'll burn the place down

That is you on another thread. Admittedly, Kerr is not a squib but do we really need him?? W.C aren't exactly just going to let him go, he would come at a serious price. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
I would prefer Prismall.

[Wally Matera]

That is you on another thread. Admittedly, Kerr is not a squib but do we really need him?? W.C aren't exactly just going to let him go, he would come at a serious price. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
I would prefer Prismall.

Mate... you have no idea.

1) Zero credibility when you start comparing McMahon to Kerr.

2) Do we need another gun midfielder that probably polls a minimum of 15-18 brownlow votes a year? Nope... no one would want a player like him :rolleyes:

3) Yep, comes at a cost... but we paid pick 19 for a squib didnt we? Top 10 pick and a pick 19 would probably get you Kerr.

4) Prismall who?

[tigers_of_old_08]

If price is no object - Cousins.

Why? Easily the best player in that group. Hands down.

[Tigersman]

That is you on another thread. Admittedly, Kerr is not a squib but do we really need him?? W.C aren't exactly just going to let him go, he would come at a serious price. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
I would prefer Prismall.

That quote doesn't relate to Kerr at all. Why post it?

Kerr is in the best 5 mids in the game and if he was available you would bend over backwards to get him. Since when does being 25 raise questions about longevity? he has half his career in front him for god's sake.

This obsession with drafting kids over any other option is ridiculous.
We are not starting from scratch in a rebuild anymore.
Yes you need to develop your own but when quality players in their prime are available you take them (unless the asking price is out of the question).

[getthefooty]

Mate... you have no idea.


I am aware you disagree with me, no need to tell me I have no idea


1) Zero credibility when you start comparing McMahon to Kerr.

I was not comparing them at all, merely stating how your point of view changed from "Please no more 25 year olds" to "lets get Kerr, a 25 year old" quite quickly.


2) Do we need another gun midfielder that probably polls a minimum of 15-18 brownlow votes a year?

Doesn't every club?

3) Yep, comes at a cost... but we paid pick 19 for a squib didnt we? Top 10 pick and a pick 19 would probably get you Kerr.



We should not have paid 19 for Mcmahon. I would highly doubt that 10 & 19 would get us Kerr. Chuck in Cotchin, and you might be closer to the mark. Weren't you just comparing Judd to Kerr? We all remember what Carlton had to give up for him, and it wasn't pick 10 and 19.

4) Prismall who?

Brent Prismall.

:rolleyes:

[Wally Matera]

That quote doesn't relate to Kerr at all. Why post it?

Kerr is in the best 5 mids in the game and if he was available you would bend over backwards to get him. Since when does being 25 raise questions about longevity? he has half his career in front him for god's sake.

This obsession with drafting kids over any other option is ridiculous.
We are not starting from scratch in a rebuild anymore.
Yes you need to develop your own but when quality players in their prime are available you take them (unless the asking price is out of the question).

:thumbsu:

What a way to settle an argument. Bring two posts together that mean absolute ____ all with each other and then try to question my thoughts when he does no research whatsoever.

FWIW - Tigersman... couldnt agree with you more. Bang On! :thumbsu:

[Realistic Tiger]

Mate... you have no idea.

1) Zero credibility when you start comparing McMahon to Kerr.

2) Do we need another gun midfielder that probably polls a minimum of 15-18 brownlow votes a year?

3) Yep, comes at a cost... but we paid pick 19 for a squib didnt we? Top 10 pick and a pick 19 would probably get you Kerr.

4) Prismall who?

:rolleyes:

Kerr was brilliant at WC because he never got sat on, opposition sides targetted Judd and Cousins meaning Kerr got a free run. This year with them missing and Kerr wearing the target he has struggled to be anywhere near as effective as he was. The numbers speak for themselves, this year he averages 3 disposals a game less than last year and that is only because of a 40 touch game last week which boosted his average. Remove that game and he is 5 down on last year. Think I'm talking shit, last year in 17 games Kerr had seven 30+ possession games. Of those seven games 3 were playing along side Judd and Cousins together.

So let me ask, do you think if Kerr was to some Richmond, it would see him return to the 27 per game player he was while running around next to Judd and Cousins or do you think he would just end up being the 22 per game player that he has been for the majority of this season?

Kerr would be the first player the opposition targetted each week and would still struggle. Still think it is a good idea to give up a top 10 pick and another first round pick or player of that value?

[getthefooty]

Phew. Someone with credibility comes to my rescue. That was what I was trying to say RT :thumbsu:

[fanatigger]

hey tigerpower, cousins is a #@!#ing wanker. what a good example for the young fellows

[Realistic Tiger]

That quote doesn't relate to Kerr at all. Why post it?

Kerr is in the best 5 mids in the game and if he was available you would bend over backwards to get him. Since when does being 25 raise questions about longevity? he has half his career in front him for god's sake.

This obsession with drafting kids over any other option is ridiculous.
We are not starting from scratch in a rebuild anymore.
Yes you need to develop your own but when quality players in their prime are available you take them (unless the asking price is out of the question).
Would giving up a top 10 pick and another first round pick or a player like Foley/Deledio be worth Kerr? Because that is about the extent of what it would cost to get him.

[Wally Matera]

1)

I was not comparing them at all, merely stating how your point of view changed from "Please no more 25 year olds" to "lets get Kerr, a 25 year old" quite quickly.

Where have l said no more 25 year olds? F ucking read it again knob jockey... I said we SHOULD NOT RECRUIT SQUIBS JUST TO FILL AN AGE BRACKET.

2)

Doesn't every club?.

EXACTLY. Hence why l wrote it... its sarcasm mate, because you have stated the following:

Firstly, Kerr is on the decline and I don't think we need top up players for tilts at the premiership yet. Maybe in 2 years a player like Kerr would be a viable option, but at the moment the cost is too great compared to what we would get out of him.

I never said he wasn't a champion, rather he is getting older and probably not in our best interests. .

Admittedly, Kerr is not a squib but do we really need him?? W.C aren't exactly just going to let him go, he would come at a serious price. 1 step forward, 2 steps back..

Now, l ask you.... doesnt every club need a 25 year old champion that can rack up 15-18 brownlow votes each year? You're the one that wants Brent Prismall!!! :D

You're just a flat out liar champ... cant even stick to your original argument. :rolleyes:

3)

We should not have paid 19 for Mcmahon. I would highly doubt that 10 & 19 would get us Kerr. Chuck in Cotchin, and you might be closer to the mark. Weren't you just comparing Judd to Kerr? We all remember what Carlton had to give up for him, and it wasn't pick 10 and 19.:

Yeah... l am comparing Judd to Kerr. Judd better, but Kerr not far behind. Judd went for 3, 20 and Kennedy (average run-of-the-mill player). We will likely have pick number 6 or 7 (not 10), pick 24 and we throw in an average run of the mill player. Job done.

You mention Cotchin... pfff.... you dont have a clue do you?

4)

Brent Prismall.

:rolleyes:

Where are the Geelong reserves playing this week? Yep... Cousins and Kerr - what a ridiculous thought wanting to get one of them. Lets get a Prismall... cant get a game in his own side, but gee whiz... lets get him :rolleyes:

[Wally Matera]

Would giving up a top 10 pick and another first round pick or a player like Foley/Deledio be worth Kerr? Because that is about the extent of what it would cost to get him.

It didnt cost Carlton that to get the best player in the comp.

3, 20 and Kennedy.

In the last year before a compromised draft, Kerr will come even cheaper. Clubs will be fighting to get as many draft picks as they can get. If Kerr wants to go this year, they know that this is the year to sell him - unless of course he's ok with playing for the Gold Coast.

Think about it... :rolleyes:

[getthefooty]

1)



Where have l said no more 25 year olds? F ucking read it again knob jockey... I said we SHOULD NOT RECRUIT SQUIBS JUST TO FILL AN AGE BRACKET.

2)



EXACTLY. Hence why l wrote it... its sarcasm mate, because you have stated the following:







Now, l ask you.... doesnt every club need a 25 year old champion that can rack up 15-18 brownlow votes each year? You're the one that wants Brent Prismall!!! :D

You're just a flat out liar champ... cant even stick to your original argument. :rolleyes:

3)



Yeah... l am comparing Judd to Kerr. Judd better, but Kerr not far behind. Judd went for 3, 20 and Kennedy (average run-of-the-mill player). We will likely have pick number 6 or 7 (not 10), pick 24 and we throw in an average run of the mill player. Job done.

You mention Cotchin... pfff.... you dont have a clue do you?

4)



Where are the Geelong reserves playing this week? Yep... Cousins and Kerr - what a ridiculous thought wanting to get one of them. Lets get a Prismall... cant get a game in his own side, but gee whiz... lets get him :rolleyes:

Look, aside from the abuse, as RT said, Kerr is just not good enough to warrant trading away picks plus youngsters. What does getting Brownlow votes have ANYTHING to do with being a good player for the RFC. I bet if you asked Kerr he would take a P/ship, then a club B&F, then a coaches award before he takes 18-19 votes in a Brownlow, not to mention doing his bit for the team each week. You use this logic: "Josh Kennedy is just an average run of the mill player... therefore we chuck in an average player and we are done." Josh Kennedy is not an 'average run of the mill player' he is a young, very promising player. We would need Deledio or Foley or yes - even Cotching - to match this. We do not need him.
Oh, and the reason Prismall can't get a game at Geelong was on your T.V just before - their midfield is so damn good, and has incredible depth, that he just can't get a run, despite being a young, very promising player.

[Wally Matera]

Oh, and the reason Prismall can't get a game at Geelong was on your T.V just before - their midfield is so damn good, and has incredible depth, that he just can't get a run, despite being a young, very promising player.

Yep... that's why we recruited Shane Morrison too. Champion, the next Jonathon Brown... unfortunately just couldnt break into a champion side. Come to think of it... couldnt even break into Richmonds side either :rolleyes:

Top argument that one.

ps. Selwood managed to demand a spot in 12 months. Varcoe seems to be going alright too. Stokes has managed to break into that side. Has Prismall?

Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story champ. There's a reason why Prismall is (a) not getting a game (b) will be probably moved on at the end of the year.

:rolleyes:

[getthefooty]

Oh come on. Not only is he young and promising, he has also proven himself a performer. 28 quality disposals last week is testament to that. And what happened? He got dropped, because Geelong is so damn good and had players such as Scarlett to fit back in. And now you are comparing him to Morrison? :rolleyes:

Hopefully he is 'moved on' to Richmond - he certainly won't demand a price anywhere near that of Kerr.

[Wally Matera]

Hopefully he is 'moved on' to Richmond - he certainly won't demand a price anywhere near that of Kerr.

Wont produce anywhere near to that of Kerr either. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. ;)

Lets agree to disagree. Either we keep to the plan and keep our draft picks, or we go after real class.

Tired of half-measures and Prismall is just meh for me. ;)

[getthefooty]

Funny how less and less of my argument is being taken apart, and by the end you have backed off completely. I say we keep to the plan - when we deviate it from it is when we get in trouble. In 2 or 3 years it will have paid off.

[Wally Matera]

Funny how less and less of my argument is being taken apart, and by the end you have backed off completely. I say we keep to the plan - when we deviate it from it is when we get in trouble. In 2 or 3 years it will have paid off.

Havent stopped taking apart your argument... just cant be bothered talking to a retard anymore. You've been talking bullshit for 2 hours mate... l still dont even know what you want.

1) Cousins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any one else mentioned in the poll

2) Kerr benefits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cousins benefits

3) Prismall meh

4) McMahon over priced squib

5) Dont recruit squibs because in an age bracket

If you cant understand that, well, see a doctor.

You bore me. :rolleyes:

[Tigersman]

Kerr was brilliant at WC because he never got sat on, opposition sides targetted Judd and Cousins meaning Kerr got a free run. This year with them missing and Kerr wearing the target he has struggled to be anywhere near as effective as he was. The numbers speak for themselves, this year he averages 3 disposals a game less than last year and that is only because of a 40 touch game last week which boosted his average. Remove that game and he is 5 down on last year. Think I'm talking shit, last year in 17 games Kerr had seven 30+ possession games. Of those seven games 3 were playing along side Judd and Cousins together.

So let me ask, do you think if Kerr was to some Richmond, it would see him return to the 27 per game player he was while running around next to Judd and Cousins or do you think he would just end up being the 22 per game player that he has been for the majority of this season?

Kerr would be the first player the opposition targetted each week and would still struggle. Still think it is a good idea to give up a top 10 pick and another first round pick or player of that value?

Judd at west coast last year was not a gun due to injury so Kerr was getting more attention.

If he came to Richmond and got the best tagger every week and still put out 20+ quality possies I would say thats a win.
This means Deledio, Foley, Cotchin and whoever else gets a better match up.

Thats why young players come on quicker at the better clubs. Depth allows allows them to play with less scutiny from the opposition.

Dont you think Murphy and Gibbs are liking the fact that Judd is getting around in Blues Jumper?

Don't get sucked into thinking that a players stats are the only way of judging his worth.

[Wally Matera]

Judd at west coast last year was not a gun due to injury so Kerr was getting more attention.

If he came to Richmond and got the best tagger every week and still put out 20+ quality possies I would say thats a win.
This means Deledio, Foley, Cotchin and whoever else gets a better match up.

Thats why young players come on quicker at the better clubs. Depth allows allows them to play with less scutiny from the opposition.

Dont you think Murphy and Gibbs are liking the fact that Judd is getting around in Blues Jumper?

Don't get sucked into thinking that a players stats are the only way of judging his worth.

Hallelujah :thumbsu:

[getthefooty]

Havent stopped taking apart your argument... just cant be bothered talking to a retard anymore. You've been talking bullshit for 2 hours mate... l still dont even know what you want.

1) Cousins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any one else mentioned in the poll

2) Kerr benefits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cousins benefits

3) Prismall meh

4) McMahon over priced squib

5) Dont recruit squibs because in an age bracket

If you cant understand that, well, see a doctor.

You bore me. :rolleyes:

How can you not understand that I DO NOT WANT KERR on Richmond's list??

In no particular order

1) He is not that good, as shown this year when he has copped a tag and done nothing

2) We will have to give up an incredible amount to get him... think Axel, Lids, 1st round draft picks... for someone who is 25.

3) What on earth does Cousins have to do with it???? I havnt said his name once?

4) "Prismall meh" What a great argument.

5) McMahon over priced squib. We agree on something :rolleyes:

6) I do not have to call someone a retard to get my point across.

[sante]

Wouldn't mind Adam Thomson from Port. Similar style of player to Prismall but would come far cheaper.


He is great with clearances. I would take him over Prismall because he'll come cheaper, maybe Schulz/Meyer for Thomson?

Warnock will be someone we should target too. I don't fancy anyone else, Cousins is too old and Kerr is too expensive.

[Tigersman]

How can you not understand that I DO NOT WANT KERR on Richmond's list??

In no particular order

1) He is not that good, as shown this year when he has copped a tag and done nothing

2) We will have to give up an incredible amount to get him... think Axel, Lids, 1st round draft picks... for someone who is 25.

3) What on earth does Cousins have to do with it???? I havnt said his name once?

4) "Prismall meh" What a great argument.

5) McMahon over priced squib. We agree on something :rolleyes:

6) I do not have to call someone a retard to get my point across.


He is 25... so what. Thats right in his prime. He will still be elite for at least 4-5 more years.

That has him at around 27-28 when we should be pushing hard in finals,

Yes the trade would be costly but if we could make it happen without giving up way to much he would be sensational for the tigers.

How can you say he is not that good? This guy sits only behind Ablett and Judd, and not by much. Have you seen the tags he gets? He gets assaulted at every stoppage. He is the only player at West coast thats needs to be checked. That wouldn't be the case at Richmond, especially in a year or two.

[getthefooty]

He is 25... so what. Thats right in his prime. He will still be elite for at least 4-5 more years.

That has him at around 27-28 when we should be pushing hard in finals,

Yes the trade would be costly but if we could make it happen without giving up way to much he would be sensational for the tigers.

How can you say he is not that good? This guy sits only behind Ablett and Judd, and not by much. Have you seen the tags he gets? He gets assaulted at every stoppage. He is the only player at West coast thats needs to be checked. That wouldn't be the case at Richmond, especially in a year or two.

Please Explain for me.

[Tigersman]

Im thinking Tambling+ second pick( pick 22?) with any group of other fringe players if needed for Kerr.

Guys like Schulz,Moore or McGuane, Patto would all be available along with the obvious ones like JON.

Our offer is probably a bit weak so maybe we could trade that 22 pick into a teens pick. Or trade for another pick around 20 to go with the 22.

I am not saying the trade would be easy but if we could get him we would be mad not to. If he says to them he wants out they may be forced to accept something.


Basically anything outside of giving up our first pick.



My argument with your post is more to do with you underrating Kerr than
Our ability to get him for a decent trade.

[getthefooty]

My argument is more to do with the fact Kerr is too expensive for what he is. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a bloody good player. There is no guarantee whatsoever he wants to come back to Melbourne, and I think W.C would be mad to let him go. Maybe if Buddy declared he wants to come to Richmond then we might have a look at him.
Cant be bothered taking apart your trade offer, lets just say I don't think W.C would be too happy, not to mention I really wouldn't want to give away Moore or Pato.

[Realistic Tiger]

It didnt cost Carlton that to get the best player in the comp.

3, 20 and Kennedy.

In the last year before a compromised draft, Kerr will come even cheaper. Clubs will be fighting to get as many draft picks as they can get. If Kerr wants to go this year, they know that this is the year to sell him - unless of course he's ok with playing for the Gold Coast.

Think about it... :rolleyes:
Actually it did cost Carlton exactly that, pick 3, Kennedy (pick 4 two years earlier) and pick 20. For us to get Kerr who is contracted from the Eagles it would cost a fair bit. Judd was uncontracted and was walking, WC took the best deal they could get, not the best deal they could have got. If Judd wasn't leaving do you think they would have let him go for 3, 20 & Kennedy, not likely, it would have been more like 1, 3 & 20 plus Kennedy.

Would be much happier using our first round pick to target a KP type like Hurley, Watts or McKernan among others. Then using our second pick to target either another youngster like Suban, Johnston or Trengrove amongst others or if need be use it to trade for Warnock or Prismall. Trading for Kerr is simply going back to looking for the quick fix, an option that has burnt us time after time. Remember we what we gave up to get 'quick fixes' Johnson & Brown. IIRC we ended up giving away pick 4(moved to 2 after Carlton were excluded), 20 & 36 plus Torney to get Johnson and gave away pick 6 to get Brown. Yet here we sit a few years down the track still looking for a way out of the bottom 8.

On the other hand, Prismall or Warnock are not quick fix players, they are players that are hungry for a chance to play regular senior footy. Much the same way Morton & Polak were looking for a chance. Both of them seem to be working out well. The other benefit with Prismall is we would be getting a player who can pick up 30 touches in games if allowed to run free, like he is at Geelong. So if he was to come to Richmond we would add a player who would miss tags, because the opposition would target Foley or Deledio or Coughlan and would be able to still pick up disposals.

Warnock would add depth to an area we really could use some help in and that is the ruck. Gaining a 206cm 94kg ruckman who would be able to go from round 1 is not something that presents itself every year.

[Realistic Tiger]

Yep... that's why we recruited Shane Morrison too. Champion, the next Jonathon Brown... unfortunately just couldnt break into a champion side. Come to think of it... couldnt even break into Richmonds side either :rolleyes:

Top argument that one.

ps. Selwood managed to demand a spot in 12 months. Varcoe seems to be going alright too. Stokes has managed to break into that side. Has Prismall?

Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story champ. There's a reason why Prismall is (a) not getting a game (b) will be probably moved on at the end of the year.

:rolleyes:
Just a couple of things.
1) Stokes and Varcoe are both forwards with occasional runs in the middle. Prismall is a midfielder first and foremost.
2) I asked yesterday who would make way from the Cats midfield to fit in Prismall. No-one has answered so I'll ask again, who out of Ablett, Bartel, Ling, Kelly, Corey, Enright and Selwood gets dropped for Prismall? All bar Kelly get more touches than Prismall per game and even then Kelly is only 0.5 touches per game.
3) Do you think that if Selwood was at a lesser team that he would be the player that he is? He would more likely than not be like Deledio is with us, struggling to deal with tags. Adding Prismall to our side wont help Deledio or Foley with breaking tags like Kerr might but will privide us with another player who can get the ball 20 times a week just like Kerr will without having to give up a top 10 pick.

Judd at west coast last year was not a gun due to injury so Kerr was getting more attention. Yes Judd was injured but it wasn't until after round 11 that he really slowed down and even then he still had good players sitting on him sometimes even had the oppositions best tagger despite being on one leg. Then once Judd slowed Cousins came in which again freed up Kerr. This year with no one at WC to take the heat Kerr is the one who is tagged first, as a result he has dropped away in terms of output.


If he came to Richmond and got the best tagger every week and still put out 20+ quality possies I would say thats a win.
This means Deledio, Foley, Cotchin and whoever else gets a better match up.
Hard to argue with the fact Kerr would get the oppositions best tagger, except to ask if you would be happy giving up a couple of top draft picks for a player who has been brought in to essentially free up others. I know I wouldn't be.

Thats why young players come on quicker at the better clubs. Depth allows allows them to play with less scutiny from the opposition.

Dont you think Murphy and Gibbs are liking the fact that Judd is getting around in Blues Jumper?

Don't get sucked into thinking that a players stats are the only way of judging his worth.
Not getting sucked in at all, just pointing out that Kerr is not the player he was without quality around him to free him up. Kerr was getting the 3rd best midfielder each week while Judd and Cousins were there and looked great, without them there to take the heat he doesn't look anywhere near as good and isn't anywhere near as effective. Case in point 40 touches last week without Judd and Cousins and the Eagles lose by 60, where as a 34 possession game, with Judd and Cousins by his side, resulted in an 82 point win.

Don't get fooled into thinking Kerr will be as good at Richmond as he was at WC when the quality of player we would have playing beside him is nowhere near the quality he had back then.

As for Murphy and Gibbs being happy with Judd, don't you think that having quality in Stevens, Carrazzo & Scotland also helps?

[tiger of old]

Sides with depth in their midfield go along way to winning the flag these days.Anyone who thinks Kerr wouldnt be worth it is kidding themselves.

[Realistic Tiger]

Sides with depth in their midfield go along way to winning the flag these days.Anyone who thinks Kerr wouldnt be worth it is kidding themselves.
I'm only saying Kerr isn't worth it purely because of what it would cost to get him. We have bigger holes to fill than adding a player like Kerr to our list. Would you give up the clubs first 2 picks, which could address those areas we need help in i.e. KPF/KPD & Ruck?

The way I view Kerr is like icing for a cake. It is what finishes off the job, at the moment our side is like a cake in the mixing bowl. Most of the ingredients are there to make a great cake, but they still need to be brought together

[Moreaux]

Great analogy RT speaking sense again, voted for warnock instead of prismall because above all we do need another ruckman, prismal wuld be handy as you can never have enough midfield depth. :thumbsu::thumbsu:

[TigerGlory]

Would giving up a top 10 pick and another first round pick or a player like Foley/Deledio be worth Kerr? Because that is about the extent of what it would cost to get him.

Perhaps not.

The Weagles will be wanting as many draft picks as they can get. I do believe that our first pick, plus perhaps a younger player would do the trick, especially if it is Kerr's wish to come back to Victoria.

Deledio, Foley and perhaps even Cotchin would benefit heaps from not being our number one midfielder anymore. That alone would be a good enough reason to get Kerr, in order for our younger guys to start dominating games. However, Kerr is a sensational player, and has struggled without much of a midfield around him. Perhaps he'd get back to his best with a good midfield again? Cotchin, Deledio and Foley would certainley allow Kerr to go nuts in games as well. :thumbsu:

[boodsyboy]

Perhaps not.

The Weagles will be wanting as many draft picks as they can get. I do believe that our first pick, plus perhaps a younger player would do the trick, especially if it is Kerr's wish to come back to Victoria.

Deledio, Foley and perhaps even Cotchin would benefit heaps from not being our number one midfielder anymore. That alone would be a good enough reason to get Kerr, in order for our younger guys to start dominating games. However, Kerr is a sensational player, and has struggled without much of a midfield around him. Perhaps he'd get back to his best with a good midfield again? Cotchin, Deledio and Foley would certainley allow Kerr to go nuts in games as well. :thumbsu:
Kerr is a WA boy not from VIC.

[TigerGlory]

Kerr is a WA boy not from VIC.

I knew that, it was a typo.

I didnt mean come back to Victoria, i actually just meant, Come to Victoria. :p:thumbsu:

[Realistic Tiger]

Perhaps not.

The Weagles will be wanting as many draft picks as they can get. I do believe that our first pick, plus perhaps a younger player would do the trick, especially if it is Kerr's wish to come back to Victoria.

Deledio, Foley and perhaps even Cotchin would benefit heaps from not being our number one midfielder anymore. That alone would be a good enough reason to get Kerr, in order for our younger guys to start dominating games. However, Kerr is a sensational player, and has struggled without much of a midfield around him. Perhaps he'd get back to his best with a good midfield again? Cotchin, Deledio and Foley would certainley allow Kerr to go nuts in games as well. :thumbsu:
Lets play a game. You're Richmond and I'm WC. At the trade meeting you have offered me pick 7 and young player for Kerr. In return I tell you I want pick 7 and either Deledio/Foley or picks 7 & 25 (a few clubs will get PP after the first round) & Riewoldt. What would your answer be?

[tigers_of_old_08]

I'm only saying Kerr isn't worth it purely because of what it would cost to get him. We have bigger holes to fill than adding a player like Kerr to our list. Would you give up the clubs first 2 picks, which could address those areas we need help in i.e. KPF/KPD & Ruck?

The way I view Kerr is like icing for a cake. It is what finishes off the job, at the moment our side is like a cake in the mixing bowl. Most of the ingredients are there to make a great cake, but they still need to be brought together

You're making me hungry.

Good analogy RT.

[tiger of old]

Lets play a game. You're Richmond and I'm WC. At the trade meeting you have offered me pick 7 and young player for Kerr. In return I tell you I want pick 7 and either Deledio/Foley or picks 7 & 25 (a few clubs will get PP after the first round) & Riewoldt. What would your answer be?
Why would they take jack when they have similar types in Hansen,Staker? lol
Give them JON instead

[Realistic Tiger]

Why would they take jack when they have similar types in Hansen,Staker? lol
Give them JON instead
Without sounding like I'm taking a shot at JON, would you take JON and pick 7 for Kerr. If you would then I would like you to apply for the list managers position at WC.

As for Jack, I just picked a young player that would be worth something at the trade table. Not much else would be at the moment.

[TigerGlory]

Lets play a game. You're Richmond and I'm WC. At the trade meeting you have offered me pick 7 and young player for Kerr. In return I tell you I want pick 7 and either Deledio/Foley or picks 7 & 25 (a few clubs will get PP after the first round) & Riewoldt. What would your answer be?

The thing is, i believe West Coast's main priority is its midfield, while that may sound strange considering we are discussing the possibility of making a trade involving their number 1 midfielder but hear me out regardless.

Of course i wouldnt sell those types of players to West Coast, Kerr is only on the agenda provided that A) He wants to come to Richmond and B) West Coast accept a deal that suits us. If Kerr wants to leave the Weagles, then they will have to accept a deal that suits us, not the other way around.

Back to my earlier point regarding midfielders, i believe that is what the Weagles will target in the pre-season, thats why i think that our first pick (which they could use on a midfielder) as well as a player like Matt White, Conners or Meyer may interest them. :thumbsu:

[one eyedtiger]

i would prefer, prismall to go into the middle with foley, deledio and cotch. But what we need is a ruckman so warnock is the obvious one. Would not mine one of the two.

[tony_montana]

Stay off the drugs.

When you lose support like Judd and Cousins, anyone would decline. The guy is a champion.


no one disputes this, would you give up pick 5 or 6 plus a 2nd rounder bc thats what it would take, hes still contracted, so bc of this i would say no.

Its not that anyone thinks warnock is better :rolleyes: but warnock would come cheap, 206cm ruckman who has a bit about him for a 2nd rounder, yep id take that

[skybeau]

He is great with clearances. I would take him over Prismall because he'll come cheaper, maybe Schulz/Meyer for Thomson?


Schulz could be the one, I reckon. Don't think Port need any more stick figures, even classy ones. Hughes might have been another option, but his last few weeks have certainly been promising.

[copthat]

I think either Warnock or Prismall. Warnock for that fact that we have no ruckman and Prismall has skill, speed, and is a slick, smooth midfielder that we need. I'm edging towards Prismall more because he is hardly getting a go at Geelong.

Plus they are both young:)

[Tigers4premiers]

as long as we dont trade draft picks and fall into the hole that the saints have - always picking up recycled players. not a good thing to do

[beaver fever]

None of them. We need to be trading for picks, not players.

[brown_2000au]

Prismall would be great. We are a couple of quality midfielders away from being competitive. We have guys like Newman, McMahon, Conners and Edwards who can pinch hit, however these type are realy only flankers.

It would be handy to have a midfield of Prismall, Deledio, Cotchin, Foley and Tambling with Polo and Jackson as taggers and the old timers in Tuck, Cogs(hopefully) and Johnson to rotate through. A midfield with Foley the oldest at 22 or so that looks quite competitive:thumbsu:.