View Full Version : Chris Bryan is better then some of you think
PieLebo87
4 Jul 2008, 19:31
I don't understand why he is so maligned by Pies supporters. He has improved incredibly in the last 12 months and I dont think there are many people ahead of him at Collingwood that put in as much as he does on the field. He throws himself into every contest like its his last, and with the size he has, it is always a major positive for the Magpies.
I think people on here need to start showing him a bit more respect and acknowledge his value instead of talking him down and maligning him. I couldnt ask for a better back-up ruckman to Wood and Fraser, who are both not as physically intimidating, so the way Bryan is built is something we still need in our side, especially with Rocca out.
He has managed 6 games so far this season, and in those, he has averaged almost 3 tackles a game, well over 10 hit outs a game, and in all games but 2, has gotten over 11 possessions a game (8 against the Cats when we won by 86 points, and 6 against Carlton, but managed 20 hitouts).
Definitely deserves more credit then he is given.
Heater39
4 Jul 2008, 19:50
I was one of the ones calling for Bryan to be delisted last year but I've been happy with his performances this year, always puts in 100% and his kicking has improved. There is no way he will be delisted at the end of this year.
Lets be honest though, he is not a 1st string ruckmen- if he keeps performing like this he will be a valuable backup and hopefully Wood can progress into our 1st string ruckmen.
Atm he is performing better than Fraser, so as has been said in other threads, bring Fraser back through the 2's and leave Bryan and Wood do the rucking for now.
Giddy Up
4 Jul 2008, 19:56
ive been quite happy with him this year. how old is he?
His presence as being selected in the side far outweighs any critical comments made here
mattys123
4 Jul 2008, 20:02
All I can say is thank god we chose to keep him instead of Guy Richards, although it was probably a forced decision as Guy was out of contract and Bryan was on a 2 year deal.
All in all, both Carlton and Collingwood have got something out of the virtual trade of Cloke and Bryan.
Alhough you Carlton supporters dont wanna see that shoulder get hit too hard.
Dave The Man
4 Jul 2008, 20:37
He is good as the 3rd Ruckman on the team.
He is a Brusier who can Kick Long.
He is too short really to play ruck and Too Slow and Does not have a lot of tricks
stui magpie
4 Jul 2008, 22:08
Compare his stats for this year to another shortish ruck in Jamie Charman and bryan is equal to ahead in every category except hitouts.
Dundalis
4 Jul 2008, 22:16
Compare his stats for this year to another shortish ruck in Jamie Charman and bryan is equal to ahead in every category except hitouts.
All that does is honestly tell you how bad stats are in determining a players ability.
Bryan has improved a great deal this year, but I would still prefer he not be on the list long term. At the moment he is required because of our dearth of ruckman, and he has surprised in how well he's played. If we can keep the ball out of his hands anywhere outside the forward 50, or if Mick can teach him how to handball to players whom are far better decision makers, he would be a good asset.
Bryan is quite a decent back up ruckman and if he was 3cm taller he would be one of teh better ruckman in the league.
he deserves quite alot of credit for harding us up through the centre of teh ground this year.
He will never be an all star but a good honest trier and hrad worker, and sa stui pointed out his stats stck up very well(whether people want to pay attention to them or not)
StillWaiting5689
5 Jul 2008, 00:50
Bryan is quite a decent back up ruckman and if he was 3cm taller he would be one of teh better ruckman in the league.
he deserves quite alot of credit for harding us up through the centre of teh ground this year.
He will never be an all star but a good honest trier and hrad worker, and sa stui pointed out his stats stck up very well(whether people want to pay attention to them or not)
Wouldn't it be easier to get him to work on his verticle leap, but I see where you a coming from.
Seriously though, I think Bryan is being undervalued here. Some people are calling him a solid third string ruckman, that would put Fraser at #1 or 2 and Bryan has had a better year than him and adds much more to the side. Fraser got beaten in the ruck by Cam Cloke, thats pathetic.
Abba Lonie
5 Jul 2008, 00:58
He was guilty of being far too casual at times last year and that was his major downfall, but he seems to have rectified that somewhat this year.
If he could eliminate that occasional crap decision when he has the ball he would be a very good player.
Godfrey Jones
5 Jul 2008, 01:31
i definately see him on our list in the long term the way he's going.
very happy with what he's producing.
unplugged
5 Jul 2008, 08:43
I can't remember anyone here talking badly about him since he started playing regularly in the side this year. Hmm... maybe I need to open my eyes or something.
zorbadunde
5 Jul 2008, 08:58
ive always been a rap for this guy, love the way he goes about it.
honestly rucking wise, id put wood first for his great taps, then bryan for his around the ground efforts and fraser 3rd
Parallel Andy
5 Jul 2008, 09:49
I don't understand why he is so maligned by Pies supporters. He has improved incredibly in the last 12 months and I dont think there are many people ahead of him at Collingwood that put in as much as he does on the field. He throws himself into every contest like its his last, and with the size he has, it is always a major positive for the Magpies.
I think people on here need to start showing him a bit more respect and acknowledge his value instead of talking him down and maligning him. I couldnt ask for a better back-up ruckman to Wood and Fraser, who are both not as physically intimidating, so the way Bryan is built is something we still need in our side, especially with Rocca out.
He has managed 6 games so far this season, and in those, he has averaged almost 3 tackles a game, well over 10 hit outs a game, and in all games but 2, has gotten over 11 possessions a game (8 against the Cats when we won by 86 points, and 6 against Carlton, but managed 20 hitouts).
Definitely deserves more credit then he is given.
Guilty. His form in the last month or so has been good. His kicking is slowly improving which is his greatest weekness, especially kicking under pressure.
Pie Fight
5 Jul 2008, 17:14
Toasted ham, cheese, tomato sandwich>>>Bryan>>>>Atari>>>Richards.
thylacine60
5 Jul 2008, 22:42
Played a better than fair game tonight. Good on him. Think both our teams have done well with the Cloke/Bryan deals. Well done beating the shitful Swans at their own game. It was a crap match to watch but you took the points so well done. What's with Didak's aeroplane?
Played a great game IMO.
His kicking is far less hit and miss and I'm now happy with the ball in his hands. He has improved dramatically at ground level which is very important for a player that doesn't win many hit outs.
RRRooocccaaa
5 Jul 2008, 23:25
Played a great game IMO.
His kicking is far less hit and miss and I'm now happy with the ball in his hands. He has improved dramatically at ground level which is very important for a player that doesn't win many hit outs.
Jolly: 17
Everett: 14
Bryan: 19
Wood: 7
Bryan's only problem at the moment is perceptionitis - he's doing a friggin great job IMO.
Jolly: 17
Everett: 14
Bryan: 19
Wood: 7
Bryan's only problem at the moment is perceptionitis - he's doing a friggin great job IMO.
Bingo
and how good was his tackling work tonight too, hits the body hard, and his contested marking both him are wood are fantastic at it
Pie eyed
5 Jul 2008, 23:34
I for one have always rated him as good enough to be in the side.
The last 6-7 weeks he proven not only that but that he could well become a top line ruckman.
The biggest difference in his game now is his presence around the ground in attack, usually as a link in the centre, but far more importantly when drooping back in defence.
Several times in the last 6-7 weeks he has taken strong marks in the opposition square when we really needed it...
I hope he just keeps going ahead.
Vampire013
6 Jul 2008, 00:20
I thought Bryan tried really hard in the finals last year.
He was exceptional in the dying moments against West Coast. Really through his body around to get the ball.
He has improved a lot this year IMO.
His kicking is a big weapon and it is getting consistent.
Not many ruckman can get it and boot it 60-70 meters. He has a huge hoof.
I think he is starting to get more confident and the results are showing.
Hope he keeps on improving. I am really starting to appreciate him as a player. At least he gives it a real crack and we don't have many players that are Gorilla like. :rolleyes:
WakeUpTaz
6 Jul 2008, 00:32
Love seeing the bear play well, hopefully he continues his form and Fraser can go up forward permanently!
Long penetrating kicks to the forward line, something that even some of our mids can't provide.
Pie eyed
6 Jul 2008, 00:45
I also think Wood played an important part as well tonight.
He is really shaping to be a major long term asset.
Get Fraser fully fit, hungry and we have the makings of a pretty formidable ruck setup.
Salty Malty
6 Jul 2008, 01:01
The Wood and Bryan combo in the ruck these last few weeks has been great. I wasn't a fan of Bryan's until he came into the side for the St Kilda game, but he has shown great endeavour and courage and his kicking, long and to advantage, has been a real asset.
I would much prefer the Bear in the ruck or down forward having a red hot crack than some of the insipid eforts Josh has served up. Josh lost me in the 2nd game against Carlton - don't bring him back in until (1) he is fully fit and (2) Wood or Bryan put in a bad one.
The Wood and Bryan combo in the ruck these last few weeks has been great. I wasn't a fan of Bryan's until he came into the side for the St Kilda game, but he has shown great endeavour and courage and his kicking, long and to advantage, has been a real asset.
I would much prefer the Bear in the ruck or down forward having a red hot crack than some of the insipid eforts Josh has served up. Josh lost me in the 2nd game against Carlton - don't bring him back in until (1) he is fully fit and (2) Wood or Bryan put in a bad one.
i still think theres room for all 3 , can put frase up at full forward for the whole match. leave the other two to ruck.
if rocca was in the team itd be a different story
The Wood and Bryan combo in the ruck these last few weeks has been great. I wasn't a fan of Bryan's until he came into the side for the St Kilda game, but he has shown great endeavour and courage and his kicking, long and to advantage, has been a real asset.
I would much prefer the Bear in the ruck or down forward having a red hot crack than some of the insipid eforts Josh has served up. Josh lost me in the 2nd game against Carlton - don't bring him back in until (1) he is fully fit and (2) Wood or Bryan put in a bad one.
Well said SM!! Josh Fraser is obviously carrying long term injuries, but his fans forget that it's not 2002, but 2008 and he has not played many good games since then. You can't play him forward either because he struggles to mark overhead and he will be too slow to put pressure when the opposition have it.
Let him play VFL until he can prove he will perform better than Wood, because that's the only guy he will replace. Bryan is now our number 1 ruckman and we ca't play 3 ruckman-that could be suicidal,
Angelus512
6 Jul 2008, 03:54
I suppose this begs the question..............WTF is up with Josh Fraser? Wasn't he taken #1 in the draft at some stage or close to #1? Seriously....WHAT is up with Fraser? The man plays like.........well he plays like he has to rather than because he wants to.
The fact we are now talking about a Bryan/Wood ruck combo thats working well and by omition of not mentioning Fraser the inference is that Fraser has to fight for his spot.
Why isn't Fraser clearly dominating by a large margin over those two?
Interesting question which I guess unless YOU are Josh Fraser is hard to answer.
But incredibly please to see Bryan playing well. This might seem a little bleeding heart but IF i was Chris Bryan and I think the guy is only around 24 or there abouts and preseumably with not much educational background behind him etc I'd be most pleased to have my playing future for the next 12 and potentially 24 months assure.
The guy deserves a break and furthermore its great to see he's MAKING his own break.
Awesome work full claps for Bryan.
EDIT:
How the HELL Fraser was in the consideration for Captain is beyond me. What type of Captain would he be? I seem to recall him mentioning that Buckley's style of Captaining (if thats a word) was about meetings etc and hard work.
Frase proposed to keep the hard work but ditch the meetings. Anybodies that done management 101 knows that in order to improve/evaluate errors you need control systems to measure performance aka meetings.
Came across as a tool.
Frederlick
6 Jul 2008, 11:21
Has been a great pick up. His skills will keep improving and demonstrates the widely held belief that ruckmen take that little bit longet to really blossom because of the challenges of the position.
Coin_Toss
6 Jul 2008, 11:24
He's a good player that is starting to come on now. A fit Josh Fraser will make a big difference to the side, but as long as Bryan keeps doing his job Josh will have to earn his spot.
Alex Naumovski
6 Jul 2008, 11:28
He can mark, kick long, and he's a strong presence. He really needs to work on his kicking accuracy though, he needs to hit targets more often and not turn the ball over. I like him.
He's playing well at the moment and seems to be making better decisions when he has the ball which I think comes with confidence. I think last nights game was just about his best for the Pies.
sneakydaycrawler
6 Jul 2008, 13:38
____ Fraser. Until that pussy hearted ____ bulks up, he should be kept out of the team. ____ing liability
Snag Breac
6 Jul 2008, 13:52
Jolly: 17
Everett: 14
Bryan: 19
Wood: 7
Bryan's only problem at the moment is perceptionitis - he's doing a friggin great job IMO.
I friggin' agree with you too.:eek:
In yesterday's paper Bucks wrote that, when evenly matched, the teams that wants it more usually wins. The great thing about Byran is that he always wants it. He's always ready to fight like hell for that ball. You must be happy Opti.:) He has more than answered his critics.
I think he has stepped up to another level this year, last year he wouldn't go into contests as hard as he could, but this year he is showing that he is trying his best, he does have his lazy moments every now and then though... But other that that him getting better is great to see. :)
MagpieGirl_13
6 Jul 2008, 14:51
I have been so impressed with Bryan, I think he's really stepped up a couple of notches this season. At the beginning I didn't think he was going to get many games because we just recruited Wood & Fraser was looking good. Now as the season has gone on he looks to be a very good pick up.
My Dad has also been very impressed with him, even though he gets his name wrong sometimes, he loves how he can kick the ball, has a thumping kick on him!
Doesn't go to badly in the ruck either!
Well done Bear!!!! :thumbsu:
adzarani
6 Jul 2008, 15:49
Jolly: 17
Everett: 14
Bryan: 19
Wood: 7
Bryan's only problem at the moment is perceptionitis - he's doing a friggin great job IMO.
Exactly right!!
The guy is the most physical tall we have had for 10 years, gives 110% and is fearless and desperate. On form he is our No. 1 ruckman.
Still.......does anyone know wtf is going on with his socks? It's driving me ___ing insane!!
the_fresh
6 Jul 2008, 17:07
Love the way he goes about his football.
Hard at it, long kick doesn't think too much and doing a great job.
He was one of our best last night IMO, 19 hitouts, 16 touches, 8CP's & 3 inside 50's.
I think our ruckmen were the winners on the night making it harder for Fraser to get in as a ruckman.
"then some of you think" what exactly?
PieLebo87
6 Jul 2008, 18:42
"then some of you think" what exactly?
Snag would've picked it up and didnt even say anything. Why are you picking on me for? I know its meant to be THAN!!! :mad:
Anyway, to the point, do you guys also realise that both Bear and Wood played about 55% of the game? Not bad for a ruckman to get 19 hitouts, 14 possessions and 5 tackles in half a game!
I friggin' agree with you too.:eek:
In yesterday's paper Bucks wrote that, when evenly matched, the teams that wants it more usually wins. The great thing about Byran is that he always wants it. He's always ready to fight like hell for that ball. You must be happy Opti.:) He has more than answered his critics.
extremly happy love the way the bloke goes anout his football, and the vien of form he has hit
I wasn't a big fan initially, but Bryan has grown on me to the point where in my opinion he is an automatic selection at the moment. I love the way he goes at it hard, he won't back out of any contest, and is serviceable around the ground too.
Keep Bryan and Wood for the ruck, Fraser's option should be to come back as a forward.
I love his long flat penetrating kicks into F50. Not so much when if he turns it over,hopefully still on the improve :thumbsu:
Spagger83
7 Jul 2008, 14:51
Exactly right!!
The guy is the most physical tall we have had for 10 years, gives 110% and is fearless and desperate. On form he is our No. 1 ruckman.
Still.......does anyone know wtf is going on with his socks? It's driving me ___ing insane!!
his socks???
well it's not abnormal for a ruckman to wear one or maybe two shinguards so if you're referring to why he has one sock up and one down it would be because he has chosen to wear one shinguard so sock is up....why the other sock is down is because that's what he wants to do.
any other fashion criticisms?
Did's Dodgy Knee
7 Jul 2008, 20:27
Exactly right!!
The guy is the most physical tall we have had for 10 years, gives 110% and is fearless and desperate. On form he is our No. 1 ruckman.
Still.......does anyone know wtf is going on with his socks? It's driving me ___ing insane!!
Bear was at club night last week. He was asked about the socks and said that he wears his shinguard on his left leg (IIRC). He doesn't have to look pretty, just keep on doing what he has been doing this year.
I spoke to him about his contract, knowing that he had mentioned previously that he was only signed for two years. Talks haven't started yet, but I think from his form this year and the fact that Thoolen will be a work in progress should guarantee the big fella a few more years in the black and white.
A new contract also might help him fund the purchase of a diamond for his lady sometime soon too, or otherwise he said he'll have to send her down to have a chat with Mick...
adzarani
7 Jul 2008, 20:47
his socks???
well it's not abnormal for a ruckman to wear one or maybe two shinguards so if you're referring to why he has one sock up and one down it would be because he has chosen to wear one shinguard so sock is up....why the other sock is down is because that's what he wants to do.
any other fashion criticisms?
Maybe a call to the haircut police while you're there :thumbsu:
adzarani
7 Jul 2008, 20:54
Bear was at club night last week. He was asked about the socks and said that he wears his shinguard on his left leg (IIRC). He doesn't have to look pretty, just keep on doing what he has been doing this year.
I spoke to him about his contract, knowing that he had mentioned previously that he was only signed for two years. Talks haven't started yet, but I think from his form this year and the fact that Thoolen will be a work in progress should guarantee the big fella a few more years in the black and white.
A new contract also might help him fund the purchase of a diamond for his lady sometime soon too, or otherwise he said he'll have to send her down to have a chat with Mick...
Thanks, I figured it was something along those lines, but can't work out why he just wouldn't wear a 2nd long one. imo it looks sloppy, but as you say, he's not there to look pretty.
Would be a disaster for Chris and the club if agreeable terms can't be nutted out for the coming seasons.
Pratt = Premiers
7 Jul 2008, 21:05
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
adzarani
7 Jul 2008, 21:57
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
Ah, dead wood can be pretty durable sometimes, look at Justin Madden, 15 years of dead wood.
Frederlick
7 Jul 2008, 22:04
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
Mate you have no right to an opinion when you kept Whitnall as Captain for a year and sent Brian to us where he lived and learnt in a finals series. Talk about deadwood, he was mummified. When was the last time Carlton beat the reigning premiers at home in a semi final with dead wood as a ruckman who, incidently, kicked the winning goal? Oh thats right, since never. :rolleyes:
Pie eyed
7 Jul 2008, 22:12
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
I would point out that Bryan was not Pat Malone in this club...
Ottens was, and still is, very important to Geelong's success.
If I recall Ottens did not play when we smashed the Cats.
Coincidence...maybe, maybe not.
Pie eyed
7 Jul 2008, 22:16
Mate you have no right to an opinion when you kept Whitnall as Captain for a year and sent Brian to us where he lived and learnt in a finals series. Talk about deadwood, he was mummified. When was the last time Carlton beat the reigning premiers at home in a semi final with dead wood as a ruckman who, incidently, kicked the winning goal? Oh thats right, since never. :rolleyes:
You can't blame all Carlton supporters for this, they don't actually make the decision or necessarily agree with it.
Besides many of our own posters would have seen Bryan gone asap a few months ago.
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
Bryan for all his deficiencies is our best ruckman at the moment. He has a physical presence that is sadly lacking in both our other ruckmen, Fraser and Wood. Fraser perhaps should be number 1, but he has played about 4 good games in the past 5 years, amongst several shockers.
Bryan certainly didn't cost us the PF last year. Geelong were too good, despite the fact that they didn't play well and kicked innacurately. We were lucky to get within 5 points. Had we flucked a win anyway, we would have taken a hiding in the GF. About 5 of our guys would not have been fit for the Gf(including Rocca, Buckley) and it would have been our fourth final in 4 weeks. We would not have stood a chance. It will be a very rare team that wins it from outside the top 4.
As for the comments regarding Ottens, he is as the best ruck in the AFL(or second at worst to Cox) so there is no disgrace in being beaten by Ottens. Particularly when Fraser gets regularly carved up by hack ruckmen. I also think you are deflecting some blame from our other ruckman in the PF, Guy Richards, who went from a PF to being delisted and then ignored in the pre-season draft. Maybe there is a story there you have missed.
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
Many would have agreed with you last year.
However in football there's this thing called development. You guys should look it up sometimes. It's part of the reason why Carlton aren't that crap anymore. It's the reason why players improve.
Godfrey Jones
8 Jul 2008, 04:30
his socks???
well it's not abnormal for a ruckman to wear one or maybe two shinguards so if you're referring to why he has one sock up and one down it would be because he has chosen to wear one shinguard so sock is up....why the other sock is down is because that's what he wants to do.
any other fashion criticisms?
rocca used to do that all the time
has been good in the last month... did some great things in the sydney game... he's growing on me
Pies4Premiers
8 Jul 2008, 13:29
Our two current ruckmen Wood and Bryan are better then josh fraser by along way, fraser does not attack the ball with any intensity, he never wins a tap and cannot hold a mark, i dont no why Mick would be wanting to bring him back in?
Spagger83
8 Jul 2008, 14:49
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
this guy obviously never saw Guy Richards on that night...actually neither did I !!
RRRooocccaaa
8 Jul 2008, 15:01
...fraser does not attack the ball with any intensity, he never wins a tap and cannot hold a mark, i dont no why Mick would be wanting to bring him back in?
That has got to be the biggest steaming pile of fertiliser I've heard in a while. Even going back to the Geelong match he was marking, tapping and attacking the ball just fine. Before his All-Stars match he was averaging 14-15 hit outs per match. Around 4-6 marks and maybe a goal or two.
I couldn't care less if you have a personal grudge against Josh Fraser but just don't go spouting off crap that you can't back up with any evidence.
jackcass
8 Jul 2008, 16:23
Please note this is not a troll, just an honest opinon of the guy. I'm all for ex-carlton players playing well after they leave the Blues, but this guy cost you a premiership last year.
He was smashed in the ruck against Brad Ottens in the preliminary final and at the end of the day was the difference between you winning and losing.
You guys would also have smashed Port the following week, as would 14 other clubs.
Chris Bryan is dead wood. He is filling a hole while you wait for a new option to show up.
Judgement based on one game... Very harsh, particularly from someone who supports a team that for the last ten years has carried a team full of blokes who made careers out of having bad games. Move forward one pre-season and look at the development of this bloke. Totally different player.
I confess, I've been one person who was undecided about Bryan. Last year his good was very good but he offset that with a litany of errors (silly free's, bad disposals, poor decisions). Since his resumption this year against St Kilda, he appears to have gotten most of that out of his game. Thanks for your opinion but I think we'll keep him, dead wood or not!
That has got to be the biggest steaming pile of fertiliser I've heard in a while. Even going back to the Geelong match he was marking, tapping and attacking the ball just fine. Before his All-Stars match he was averaging 14-15 hit outs per match. Around 4-6 marks and maybe a goal or two.
I couldn't care less if you have a personal grudge against Josh Fraser but just don't go spouting off crap that you can't back up with any evidence.
Spot on Mate!!
After the first 6 rounds, that is before Josh INJURED his knee, that's right guys INJURED, these were his stats.
14.6 Disposals 4.8 Marks 17.7 Hit outs and just under 1 goal a game, not too shabby eh??
If you don't like the player fair enough, but give him some credit, before he got hurt he was playing good footy.
Including an almost matchwinning performance agaist the Roos and at the time the second most highly rated ruckman in the game with 18 touches 7 marks 19 hitouts and a lazy 4.
When fit is our Number 1 Ruck!
Go Pies!:thumbsu:
dylan_mike
8 Jul 2008, 19:54
I am glad you've got Chris as well:). Keep up th egood work Collingwood. Next year we'll give you Akland!
I am glad you've got Chris as well:). Keep up th egood work Collingwood. Next year we'll give you Akland!
No we only take players with heart;)
You can keep ackland
No we only take players with heart;)
You can keep Hackland
Edited for accuracy.
Edited for accuracy.
Thank you;)
Pie eyed
8 Jul 2008, 22:28
Our two current ruckmen Wood and Bryan are better then josh fraser by along way, fraser does not attack the ball with any intensity, he never wins a tap and cannot hold a mark, i dont no why Mick would be wanting to bring him back in?
A big fan obviously....
It is a pity none of your observations are backed up by the facts which are so obvious to the rest of us.
Nebula1971
8 Jul 2008, 23:31
Although I have never bagged the guy (well I never bag our players) I did think to myself that he wasn't going to be much.
He has improved dramatically this year and has room for further development. Wood / Bryan combo is the best we have had in a while.