View Full Version : Carlton - Still trying to BUY a premiership
Kildonan
7 Jul 2008, 01:17
They're recidivists of the highest order, and I suppose that comforts me in a way. It's nice to confirm that the leopard doesn't change its spots like it tried to portray. Still not satisfied with more No.1 draft picks than any other club, they still seek out greedily.
Now they have their sights on Kosi
This thread on the Carlton board (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454477) - please be respectful posting on foreign boards - better yet - post it here and post a link on the Carlton thread to this one - if you feel you have something to say to the Carlton supporters who think their salary cap is going to cover a greedy Fevola, Mr Judd, a bevy of No.1 picks and a new recruit - Justin Koschitzke, as well as the rest of the team.
Are they about to embark on another voyage outside the salary cap?
I would love to be an auditor of that place.
cheezey2008
7 Jul 2008, 02:25
They're recidivists of the highest order, and I suppose that comforts me in a way. It's nice to confirm that the leopard doesn't change its spots like it tried to portray. Still not satisfied with more No.1 draft picks than any other club, they still seek out greedily.
Now they have their sights on Kosi
This thread on the Carlton board (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454477) - please be respectful posting on foreign boards - better yet - post it here and post a link on the Carlton thread to this one - if you feel you have something to say to the Carlton supporters who think their salary cap is going to cover a greedy Fevola, Mr Judd, a bevy of No.1 picks and a new recruit - Justin Koschitzke, as well as the rest of the team.
Are they about to embark on another voyage outside the salary cap?
I would love to be an auditor of that place.
Well considering the fact we got found out for breaching the salary cap in 2000 (a year we didn't win a flag), your thread is completely wrong. 1995 has nothing to do with it.
goodie23
7 Jul 2008, 02:28
Not surprised, however I don't think most of them are serious.
As if we'd let him go for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, or they could afford him given what Judd's done and Fev's about to do.
FieryNayta
7 Jul 2008, 02:29
SShhhhhhh, dont tell anybody that the carlton posters on bigfooty are actually involved in the clubs trading and salary cap distribution.
This was meant to be a portal where we could conduct our board level decisions in private.
What's the problem with that thread? :confused:
Seems to me to be speculation on potential mature recruits; just like we do here from time to time. The impact of Carlton supporters expressing an opinion against the possibility of their club actually recruiting Kosi would be zero.
He stays, he goes. His decision ultimately.
FieryNayta
7 Jul 2008, 14:37
What's the problem with that thread? :confused:
Seems to me to be speculation on potential mature recruits; just like we do here from time to time. The impact of Carlton supporters expressing an opinion against the possibility of their club actually recruiting Kosi would be zero.
He stays, he goes. His decision ultimately.
Tell me about it. I'm glad our mods dont start rubbish threads like this.
I see no problem whatsoever. Every club board do it, why single them out? I can guarantee every other club board has had a discussion on Kosi or Dal Santo at one time or another. Like St Dac said they have no influence on who the Carlton FC recruit, persue or even talk to. Yes they may not be able to afford him now but if Fevola is moved on it at the end of the season it becomes a very good topic of discussion and one that could possibly eventuate.
God i hope not though. :p
Faz 2000
7 Jul 2008, 14:56
What's actually wrong with "buying" premierships?
You can either build a team, or buy a team, basically. I think both are legitimate methods, and a successful team needs to have a balance of both practises in order to make the right move at the right time (ie. dump everyone for picks and re-build, or buy in that extra 1-2 guys you need to go over the top).
I see NO chance of Kosi ever playing for the Blues, but I don't see how buying premierships is bad.
ChrisL#12
7 Jul 2008, 17:28
I see no problem whatsoever. Every club board do it, why single them out? I can guarantee every other club board has had a discussion on Kosi or Dal Santo at one time or another. Like St Dac said they have no influence on who the Carlton FC recruit, persue or even talk to. Yes they may not be able to afford him now but if Fevola is moved on it at the end of the season it becomes a very good topic of discussion and one that could possibly eventuate.
God i hope not though. :p
I would like to see that trade. Fev for Kosi, straight swap. Kosi doesn't look comfortable at the Saints to me.
I would like to see that trade. Fev for Kosi, straight swap. Kosi doesn't look comfortable at the Saints to me.
No way would they accept a straight swap, Kosi+1st or 2nd round pick, then maybe. But i'd prefer to keep Kosi and our draft picks.
thylacine60
7 Jul 2008, 18:08
Talk about a thread backfiring. Good to see mods can cop egg on the face too. :o
They're recidivists of the highest order, and I suppose that comforts me in a way. It's nice to confirm that the leopard doesn't change its spots like it tried to portray. Still not satisfied with more No.1 draft picks than any other club, they still seek out greedily.
I got to here and thought what the heck? A St Kilda supporter talking about number one draft picks - pretty suire you've had a few too!
Now they have their sights on Kosi
Then I read this and thought, does he realise its just a Carlton fan wondering about a player from another club, not a Carlton official.
I got to here and thought what the heck? A St Kilda supporter talking about number one draft picks - pretty suire you've had a few too!
Yes we have, but not as many as Carlton. Not a lot in it though ...
I wasn't having a crack at Kildonan. He's a fair dinkum St.Kilda man, gives a lot of time to this board (and others), and good on him for it. I just couldn't see the harm in that thread.
SaintsPremiers08
7 Jul 2008, 21:49
Kosi + 3rd Rounder For Fev should do the trick....:thumbsu:
ChrisFooty
7 Jul 2008, 23:18
I like this thread. Create a controversial topic promoting discussion from the rival team and boosting the post activity for the Saints forum. Clever.:)
Kildonan
8 Jul 2008, 00:10
A disappointing response to this topic.
My concern isn't that they are going after Kosi - it's that they already have Judd and Fevola taking up a full quarter of their cap. Then they have a bevvy of early picks including several No. 1 picks - all of whom will become marquee players - if they aren't already. The rest of the list can't be paid minimum wage - else they'd all leave.
Where is all the money coming from? How much is their cap?
They can't afford to recruit any more high profile players, they will struggle to maintain their own list over the next three years.
They have to be realistic - and responsible (or at least be seen to be responsible - while they do as they please AGAIN).
The serious question is: Who do they underpay or put on back end loading contracts in order to pay the Pev what he wants?
Looking at their list - they don't have many older players who (when they sack them) will free much cap space.
ChrisL#12
8 Jul 2008, 17:14
No way would they accept a straight swap, Kosi+1st or 2nd round pick, then maybe. But i'd prefer to keep Kosi and our draft picks.
If they don't offer him a good enough deal they'll have no choice otherwise it'll end up like Stevens.
Jarrod Waiteee
8 Jul 2008, 17:37
A disappointing response to this topic.
My concern isn't that they are going after Kosi - it's that they already have Judd and Fevola taking up a full quarter of their cap. Then they have a bevvy of early picks including several No. 1 picks - all of whom will become marquee players - if they aren't already. The rest of the list can't be paid minimum wage - else they'd all leave.
Where is all the money coming from? How much is their cap?
They can't afford to recruit any more high profile players, they will struggle to maintain their own list over the next three years.
They have to be realistic - and responsible (or at least be seen to be responsible - while they do as they please AGAIN).
The serious question is: Who do they underpay or put on back end loading contracts in order to pay the Pev what he wants?
Looking at their list - they don't have many older players who (when they sack them) will free much cap space.
welcome to afl??we need a centre half forward..u have one that is maybe on the outer..what are we meant to do?dont all clubs look into players from each club?
Jarrod Waiteee
8 Jul 2008, 17:39
If they don't offer him a good enough deal they'll have no choice otherwise it'll end up like Stevens.
hes not going anywhere but if he wanted to go to saints ud have to do a fair deal with us as st kilda will have around pick 8-9 in the psd.im sure hed be picked up by whoever has pick 1 or 2
goodie23
8 Jul 2008, 17:42
welcome to afl??we need a centre half forward..u have one that is maybe on the outer..what are we meant to do?dont all clubs look into players from each club?
Speculation's all well and good, but
A: He's not on the outer
B: You couldn't fit him into your salary cap
C: I don't see you offering up a fair trade (there would be open laughter at suggestions of just a third or second round pick)
Poz_Utd_V.2
8 Jul 2008, 17:53
A disappointing response to this topic.
My concern isn't that they are going after Kosi - it's that they already have Judd and Fevola taking up a full quarter of their cap. Then they have a bevvy of early picks including several No. 1 picks - all of whom will become marquee players - if they aren't already. The rest of the list can't be paid minimum wage - else they'd all leave.
Where is all the money coming from? How much is their cap?
They can't afford to recruit any more high profile players, they will struggle to maintain their own list over the next three years.
They have to be realistic - and responsible (or at least be seen to be responsible - while they do as they please AGAIN).
The serious question is: Who do they underpay or put on back end loading contracts in order to pay the Pev what he wants?
Looking at their list - they don't have many older players who (when they sack them) will free much cap space.
Mate you are completly missing the point
The Carlton supporters who post on the Carlton Board don't control the clubs trades.
You show me proof where Ratten or Swan or anyone with any real power in the club with any control in the players that go in or out at Carlton have said they are keen on Kosi.
They haven't and just because the Carlton fans have need discussing the possibility don't mean squat.
Ratten and co. probably don't want a bar of Kosi and here you are starting threads saying how can they afford this and that!!
And FWIW I wouldn't pay Kosi more than 250K per year, which is beside the point anyway
dylan_mike
8 Jul 2008, 18:46
I'm Keen on Reiwoldt:thumbsu:
I'm Keen on Reiwoldt:thumbsu:
LOL, second round pick for Roo perhaps? :thumbsu: Cant believe that the OP is suggesting that just because a few supporters reckon Kosi would be a good fit that the club is looking at it! :confused:
BTW mate, there is a cap in place remember, the days of buying flags are well and truly gone.
A disappointing response to this topic.
My concern isn't that they are going after Kosi - it's that they already have Judd and Fevola taking up a full quarter of their cap. Then they have a bevvy of early picks including several No. 1 picks - all of whom will become marquee players - if they aren't already. The rest of the list can't be paid minimum wage - else they'd all leave.
Where is all the money coming from? How much is their cap?
They can't afford to recruit any more high profile players, they will struggle to maintain their own list over the next three years.
They have to be realistic - and responsible (or at least be seen to be responsible - while they do as they please AGAIN).
The serious question is: Who do they underpay or put on back end loading contracts in order to pay the Pev what he wants?
Looking at their list - they don't have many older players who (when they sack them) will free much cap space.
The only disappointing thing here is your desire to besmirch Carlton at any opportunity. Poor form for a mod.
As a mod you should probably understand that because an opposition players name is floated on a board that does not necessarily mean that player is being targeted for trade. Not sure that Big Footy has that kind of power.
Just because the Saints are happy to pay Kosi too much, doesn't mean Carlton are (at least not this time around).
Were we to make a play for any high profile player though, I am sure their is planty of room as reported. Judd is front loaded. Fev should he sign will be back loaded to take advantage of the veteran rulings. Ackland who will go at years end is on a reported $300K, which in itself should bring joy to a Saints supporter such as yourself. Whilst we have a number of good young kids developing, none of them will be in a position to deman mega bucks in the coming 2-3 years.
All that aside, your interest in our welfare is appreciated, but I can assure you that Pratt, Swann, Icke and co have the situation in hand.
Let's all look forward to a good one on Friday.
A disappointing response to this topic.
My concern isn't that they are going after Kosi - it's that they already have Judd and Fevola taking up a full quarter of their cap. Then they have a bevvy of early picks including several No. 1 picks - all of whom will become marquee players - if they aren't already. The rest of the list can't be paid minimum wage - else they'd all leave.
Where is all the money coming from? How much is their cap?
They can't afford to recruit any more high profile players, they will struggle to maintain their own list over the next three years.
They have to be realistic - and responsible (or at least be seen to be responsible - while they do as they please AGAIN).
The serious question is: Who do they underpay or put on back end loading contracts in order to pay the Pev what he wants?
Looking at their list - they don't have many older players who (when they sack them) will free much cap space.
Have you considered the opposite mate? Given how many players are young in our group, and wouldnt be n much at all at this stage. My suggestion is that perhap Judd's contract is heavily front ended, and that he will atually earn less pe year over teh next years in his contract.
Couple that with the fact that the cap is growing steadily, end result mate is that there is room in our TPP, perhaps enough to land another big fish at the end of the year!
Perhaps you should focus more on how Geelong are fitting all of their stars under the cap! That seems harder to understand than how we manage to fit 2 bona fide stars, a couple of good exprienced players and a bunch of teenagers (albeit very talented teenagers), and kids under our cap!
I'm not ashamed of either.
Lyon can coach ... and has about 15 months left on his contract to prove it. I'm content to judge him on the balance of his contract, and taking into consideration all the relevant facts.
Kildonan is a fine mod, both here and on other boards. He may be a bit myopic about Carlton, but nobody's perfect! And as a long-time St.Kilda supporter, he probably has fair reason ... I don't necessarily agree with his take on this particular topic, but he's raising it on our board, not yours. If you wander in here and don't like what you read, there is a solution ... :rolleyes:
gouldy_34
12 Jul 2008, 00:46
A disappointing response to this topic.
My concern isn't that they are going after Kosi - it's that they already have Judd and Fevola taking up a full quarter of their cap. Then they have a bevvy of early picks including several No. 1 picks - all of whom will become marquee players - if they aren't already. The rest of the list can't be paid minimum wage - else they'd all leave.
Where is all the money coming from? How much is their cap?
They can't afford to recruit any more high profile players, they will struggle to maintain their own list over the next three years.
They have to be realistic - and responsible (or at least be seen to be responsible - while they do as they please AGAIN).
The serious question is: Who do they underpay or put on back end loading contracts in order to pay the Pev what he wants?
Looking at their list - they don't have many older players who (when they sack them) will free much cap space.
with the above post combined, this is easily the worst thread ive ever read posted by a MOD. seriously...
- several number 1 picks? juxtapose much?
- we have senior players that will be delisted at the end of the year i.e ackland, that are taking up a gd slice of the cap
- by the time that murphy gibbs & kreuzer are offered large contracts round about 2010-12 approx. fevola will be on the veterans list... meaning only half of his salary is taken from the cap.
- and just because one fan brought up the subject, does not mean we are headhunting your players! and so what if we are? we require a CHF, do you want us to go and have a crack at the sydney posters for targeting fev.... once again i am very surprised to see this from a MOD. take a look at other teams like geelong and hawthorn and do have several high profile players, they would all be getting a gd slice of the cap and they manage to do it. in a few years carlton will indeed have a high amount of money demanding players: Judd, Fev, Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs, Stevens etc... and we will be able to fit them in. and just remember, just because we got pinged for salary cap breaches, doesnt mean we were the only ones doing it. we were made an example of and now we are paying the price and copping the embarrassment for it
gd to see most others here can see the sense in this
Pred_ator
14 Jul 2008, 05:40
They're recidivists of the highest order, and I suppose that comforts me in a way. It's nice to confirm that the leopard doesn't change its spots like it tried to portray. Still not satisfied with more No.1 draft picks than any other club, they still seek out greedily.
Now they have their sights on Kosi
This thread on the Carlton board (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454477) - please be respectful posting on foreign boards - better yet - post it here and post a link on the Carlton thread to this one - if you feel you have something to say to the Carlton supporters who think their salary cap is going to cover a greedy Fevola, Mr Judd, a bevy of No.1 picks and a new recruit - Justin Koschitzke, as well as the rest of the team.
Are they about to embark on another voyage outside the salary cap?
I would love to be an auditor of that place.
Recidivists? Who's been repeatedly arrested for criminal behaviour at Carlton? An accountant and a solicitor ,you're very multi-skilled. Here's a word that's been on everyone lips at StKilda for the last 3 years.........underachiever.:D
Tell me about it. I'm glad our mods dont start rubbish threads like this.
Kidding right?
Out of the four mods you have, two of them are amongst the biggest trolls on BigFooty, and one of them is so stupid i am surprised they manage to bang their fingers on the keyboard successfully to able to post.
Signd Sealed Saint
14 Jul 2008, 19:03
pretty hipocritical. We have quite a few very high picks from thomas the tank engine. lol