View Full Version : Should Fraser come stright back?
What does everyone think? I think that he is valuable but might be good to get a good game in the magoo's first.
Straight back in to Full forward, and help rest Bryan from the ruck. No doubt.
Snag Breac
9 Jul 2008, 19:58
Only if he's 100% fit. We don't need any more aggravated injuries.
shawthing09
9 Jul 2008, 19:59
I would give him as long as he needs for his body to feel 100% then bring him back through the two's
it would
1. Show faith in and reward Bryan and Wood
2. Give Fraser the best chance of getting to a point where he has full fitness and match ready
3. It would in a sense level the ruck plaing field which would hopefully bring out the best in all three as there is so much competition for the spot
Big Bucks
9 Jul 2008, 20:34
Like asking a leper does he want leprosy.
swiftdog
9 Jul 2008, 21:19
Needs a run in the Magoo's, needs to earn a spot in the team.
Cassius_Clay
9 Jul 2008, 21:24
No he doesn't.
Straight in thanks. Leave Bryan and Wood in. Fraser to play majority up forward
smiddaz123
9 Jul 2008, 21:39
No. He should not be given such an easy run.
If he is fully fit then straight back in, but keep both Wood and Bryan in.
Straight in, still our best ruck!
Godfrey Jones
9 Jul 2008, 22:59
I would give him as long as he needs for his body to feel 100% then bring him back through the two's
it would
1. Show faith in and reward Bryan and Wood
2. Give Fraser the best chance of getting to a point where he has full fitness and match ready
3. It would in a sense level the ruck plaing field which would hopefully bring out the best in all three as there is so much competition for the spot
thats probably the most important point. if bryan gets dropped for example, the next time he gets the call up to fill in an injured wood or fraser he may not bother since he knows as soon as they're fit he;ll be gone. no matter how good he plays
i mean bryan cant be playing much better, really...
Mars II
10 Jul 2008, 03:51
he hasnt been out for to long. i'd have a different opinion if it where 8 weeks or more.
FOOT OF GOD
10 Jul 2008, 10:40
If he was playing in the Ruck for the big V then why so much hate and doubt in the man.. I agree he has not been the best but did look good when he played for the vics.. why cant he bring that game when he plays for us? Is it his knee playing up...?
the_fresh
10 Jul 2008, 11:03
If he was playing in the Ruck for the big V then why so much hate and doubt in the man.. I agree he has not been the best but did look good when he played for the vics.. why cant he bring that game when he plays for us? Is it his knee playing up...?
Do you know how state teams are picked?
Each club puts forward a group of players, Collingwood would have put forward 5 or 6.
Then the fit players are picked from that group of players.
The Vics had 2 fit ruckmen left after the culling of the side. Fraser just happened to be one of them. He played well in that game, wasn't a star but did well enough.
The reason I can't cop him is because of his half hearted games.
The guy could be the best running ruckman in the AFL, he's as mobile as Cox, skillful and the club keeps saying he has leadership all over him. Yet all we get is blokes like Cam Cloke beating him in the ruck and around the ground.
MagpieGirl_13
10 Jul 2008, 11:32
If he's 100% fit he should come straight back in & have one of the 3 ruckmen, probably Fraser, in the forwardline. Possibly rotating him through the ruck at stages. We need another tall forward & Fraser is a proven goal kicker & can take an overhead mark (despite what other people may think).
If that doesn't work, for what ever reason, well...... we'll leave that up to Mick.
LeonDavies21
10 Jul 2008, 13:00
as long as his heart hasnt torn and he doesnt get scared..........
Optimax
10 Jul 2008, 13:04
as long as his heart hasnt torn and he doesnt get scared..........
so how many time have you rucked against people 20kg heaveir than you?
The fact that fraser jumps into people that size bigger than him means he has no heart issues ffs
Josh Fraser has lost me this season. I always thought he would come good eventually, but I am seriously doubting that now.
I don't ask for much. All I want to see is a little bit of agro and determination on his face and a willingness to put his body on the line but instead all I have seen is a bloke running around half heartedly who jumps early at centre bounces in order to avoid contact. He seems unwilling to do the things the team needs a bloke 200+ cms to do.
I mentioned this on the EBW boards not long ago. There was a movie about a Texan basketball team who won the University championships on Fox a few weeks back. One of the players was a forward, but he wasn't committing himself and was getting pushed around to easily in the key. The coach packed his bags and bought his ticket for him to go home, stating he didn't have a place in the team for a forward who didn't like physicallity. Funnily enough the ploy worked as the player realised that he needed to grow some balls if he wanted to achieve his dream.
What this pointed out to me was Josh has always been a walk up start in our team, he never had to be physical at the contest in order to get a game, because he never had pressure on him to keep his spot. I think Wood and Bryan are holding the fort well enough at the moment.
He has all the talent in the world for a guy his size, nobody doubts that, but he lacks the determination and drive. Drop him to the twos until he starts showing it on a consistent basis.
I really like the Combo of Wood and Bryan and think our rucks work better when fraser isnt in the team
CENTERMAN
10 Jul 2008, 15:51
yes, let him destroy some VFL rucks and earn his spot. Poor old Bryan will be axed after only "one" bad game shortly anyway:rolleyes:.
shawthing09
10 Jul 2008, 16:34
The reasons i dnot like the three ruck theory is that of the three the best foward is Bryan, and whilst it isn't dropping him it is still pushing him aside for Fraser. I agree at his best Fraser is still our best ruck. I just simply do not agree that he has done enough over the past two years to be a walk up start when we have two players rucking well.
Fraser is an average foward and doesn't really enjoy playing foward. Wood and Bryan are working in the ruck. Running into final i don't think there would be anything better then having Fraser fully fit and firing as well as one or hopefully both of Wood and Bryan confident and in good form.
There is no doubt Fraser should force his way back into the side, but i don't think that while Bryan and Wood are playing good footy that there is a need for that to be straight away.
I'm not a big fan of Fraser but I do think he is of great value to the team and has been extremely serviceable.
But he shouldn't be brought back in straight away we always seem to rush key position players back in.
Think how we use Frasers injury in the prelim as and excuse... Get Fraser 100%, give him some game time in the twos providing Bryan and Wood are still performing and there we have it. A fresh Fraser marshmellow ready for some September action.
Mars II
10 Jul 2008, 18:04
i cannot beleive the result in the poll.
Well he hasn't been named in the team for this week anyway.
Big Bucks
10 Jul 2008, 20:17
so how many time have you rucked against people 20kg heaveir than you?
The fact that fraser jumps into people that size bigger than him means he has no heart issues ffs
What brand are you on! Please do tell me who weighs in at 121 kg in the AFL.
Kirk Hinrich #12
10 Jul 2008, 20:35
Blokes that have played 180 odd games in the Ruck with Josh's mobility and forward ability should not be left out of a team.
Sure Wood and Bryan have played well but im sure MM can find a spot across HF, FF and Ruck for Josh to come straight back in.
Big Bucks
10 Jul 2008, 21:09
Blokes that have played 180 odd games in the Ruck with Josh's mobility and forward ability should not be left out of a team.
Sure Wood and Bryan have played well but im sure MM can find a spot across HF, FF and Ruck for Josh to come straight back in.
Please enlighten me, Mobility is somewhat flawed, unless you count the times Josh spends falling off his feet,then he is the champion in this field, Forward ability! averages .8 goals a game.
Let us come to one conclusion, Fraser is gonna be a gun in his chosen field, what that is i don`t know, but it is definately not on a football field.
Lets hope we can get a second round draft selection for him.
Kirk Hinrich #12
10 Jul 2008, 21:24
Please enlighten me, Mobility is somewhat flawed, unless you count the times Josh spends falling off his feet,then he is the champion in this field, Forward ability! averages .8 goals a game.
Let us come to one conclusion, Fraser is gonna be a gun in his chosen field, what that is i don`t know, but it is defianately not on a football field.
Lets hope we can get a second round draft selection for him.
.8 goals a game is very good for a guy playing in the ruck and if you don't think he is mobile enough yet want Cam Wood in the team in front of him you are just embarrassing yourself even more.
Big Bucks
10 Jul 2008, 21:31
.8 goals a game is very good for a guy playing in the ruck and if you don't think he is mobile enough yet want Cam Wood in the team in front of him you are just embarrassing yourself even more.
No No he does not play in the ruck, and he is not a forward at that sad average, but you want to include Wood in the eqaution whom i have not mentioned , then let me say Wood has another 9 years on our list to prove he has more worth than Pea heart .
MagpieGirl_13
10 Jul 2008, 21:32
I think people should just stop with the ####en Josh bashing already!
It's old, boring, repetitive & just plain annoying! :mad:
Dave The Man
10 Jul 2008, 21:35
Well he is named to play VFL:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=0-118-0-0-0&sID=54560&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=5875473§ionID=54560
Big Bucks
10 Jul 2008, 21:35
I think people should just stop with the ####en Josh bashing already!
It's old, boring, repetitive & just plain annoying! :mad:
If it is old,boring repetitive, then there must be some substance to it.
Pie eyed
10 Jul 2008, 22:17
If it is old,boring repetitive, then there must be some substance to it.
Point in case:
David Letterman and Brady Bunch Replays. Definitely some substance there.
Pick it up and we'll have it analysed. Might be good for the garden.
chop_me
10 Jul 2008, 23:03
when fraser is fit and firing.. he's definitely in our top 22.. but he's not at the moment.. so let's put him thru the vfl first..
RRRooocccaaa
11 Jul 2008, 00:53
If it is old,boring repetitive, then there must be some substance to it.
Nup, it's just S.O.S
Optimax
11 Jul 2008, 15:35
What brand are you on! Please do tell me who weighs in at 121 kg in the AFL.
Sandilands, Hille is close as well, steven king, brad ottens is 110.
Most aflr ruck men over 200cm are close too.
Also exceot for last season and this season fraser has been near 99, 98kg
Big Bucks
11 Jul 2008, 19:37
Sandilands, Hille is close as well, steven king, brad ottens is 110.
Most aflr ruck men over 200cm are close too.
Also exceot for last season and this season fraser has been near 99, 98kg
Hille , 108 kg
King , 105kg
Ottens, 104kg
Sandilands who stands 6ft 11" is 124kg
So i put Sandilands together with Fraser, and what do we have !
2 Donkeys with limbs.
Big Bucks
11 Jul 2008, 20:10
Do you know how state teams are picked?
Each club puts forward a group of players, Collingwood would have put forward 5 or 6.
Then the fit players are picked from that group of players.
The Vics had 2 fit ruckmen left after the culling of the side. Fraser just happened to be one of them. He played well in that game, wasn't a star but did well enough.
The reason I can't cop him is because of his half hearted games.
The guy could be the best running ruckman in the AFL, he's as mobile as Cox, skillful and the club keeps saying he has leadership all over him. Yet all we get is blokes like Cam Cloke beating him in the ruck and around the ground.
Hahaha, the thing is, once Fraser was nominated to play in the Magoo`s he will pull up stumps and take his bat and ball home, ring in sick and tell them i won`t be coming in tomorrow.
Pie eyed
11 Jul 2008, 20:27
Hahaha, the thing is, once Fraser was nominated to play in the Magoo`s he will pull up stumps and take his bat and ball home, ring in sick and tell them i won`t be coming in tomorrow.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah......
You seem to think coming back through the Magoo's is a death sentence.
Fraser will be back as surely as you will be shitting on him when he is.
Optimax
11 Jul 2008, 20:32
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah......
You seem to think coming back through the Magoo's is a death sentence.
Fraser will be back as surely as you will be shitting on him when he is.
if fraser passed away, i would be certain BB would post something along the lines of good riddance
Optimax
11 Jul 2008, 20:44
Title Sais it all Well here goes:
B: Goldsack, Brown, Maxwell
HB: Shaw, O'Brien, Cox
C: Clarke, Thomas, Cook
HF: Egan, Cloke, Dawes
FF: Dick, Reid, Rusling
R: Richards, Pendlebury, Swan
Int: Stanley, Iles, Davies, Anthony
**** Richards off.
Where is Fraser!
i was looking at some past posts after reading the oldest poster thread by scotty D in the magpie nest.
There is actual posting proof that Big Bucks wanted Fraserr in the side:eek:
he also doesnt rate rocca
cant believe that licuria won 2 B&Fs
and basically was his usual self through out all the posts, but still BB actually wanted fraser in the side only last year
Gymnorhina tibic
11 Jul 2008, 20:44
Buckley came back through the two's so until Wood and Bryan lose their spot so can Josh.
Pie eyed
11 Jul 2008, 21:00
I think you will find BB does not rate Bryan either.
Big Bucks
11 Jul 2008, 21:44
I think you will find BB does not rate Bryan either.
You are on your own there, look thru my posts Pie eyed ,or is that Pie Lied! I love it, your Ruckman, Captain,,, what a joke Fraser is in the Magoo`s
Bryan is a true competitor.
Where to now Pie Lied!
Optimax
11 Jul 2008, 21:48
You are on your own there, look thru my posts Pie eyed ,or is that Pie Lied! I love it, your Ruckman, Captain,,, what a joke Fraser is in the Magoo`s
Bryan is a true competitor.
Where to now Pie Lied!
i though you liked bryan
But from seeing some historical Big bucks posts you have done some flip flopping yourself
Pie eyed
12 Jul 2008, 01:53
i though you liked bryan
But from seeing some historical Big bucks posts you have done some flip flopping yourself
I stand by my comment.
And Pie eyed never lied.... and if you care to have a good long read I have never touted Fraser, Maxwell or any other player for that matter as a Captain.
I have however defended any player you and your type have maligned unfairly and have always stated re: Collingwood Captain that I would totally support whoever the team saw fit select in the belief that they would know who they want to lead them a lot better than me or you for that matter.
I support Collingwood Football Club....not my own agenda or opinion above all else.
Regarding Fraser, there is an entire footballing media, tens of thousands of Collingwood and other clubs supporters, the All Australian Selection Committee and the Coach and Selection Committee at Collingwood Football Club who's combined opinion of Frasers ability I value infinitely more than your negative, self serving crap.
That won't change nor will my support for the Collingwood Football Club.
Anyone is able to check on my consistent stance on this and any other matter....
I find it amazing that on an evening when Carlton have been brought back to earth you would rather troll your own board members and bad mouth your own teams players than get stuck into the Carlton site like all good barracker's should.