Hypothetical Trade for Robbie Warnock

[whelan=legend]

Dee-molishon just posted this on the Melb board... I think it's a great idea

Just say the order of the draft is:
Melb: Pick 1
WC: Pick 2
Freo: Pick 3

Robbie says he wants to come back to Melbourne...

Melbourne give: Pick 1
Freo give: Pick 3 and Robbie Warncok

This entitles to get your number one choice of Rich or Naita (while WC will take the leftover, not vice versa), while Melbourne will still go with Watts. Thoughts?

[Bradesmaen]

Freo gives Melbourne Warnock for Garland, Jones and Pick 1 ;)

[wizard_9]

Nope because that to me looks like we effectively could trade:
Hartlett and Warnock for Rich.
Which is just stupid because Hartlett looks just as good as Rich to me.

[dominguez]

Not bad, but I can't see Melbourne parting with pick one. I'd like to trade our 4th rounder for your 3rd rounder as a sweetener.

[Memories]

So melbourne gets everything out of it and Freo get diddly? We can toss up between who we get anyhow, Hartlett or Rich, we will get at least one. Both are solid.

No no... Melbourne will be giving up their second round pick after the priorities for Warnock, or even, a pick swap 3 for 1 and second round pick 17-19. Warnock is better than pick 19, which is why you would add the 3 for 1 swap. Melbourne lose NOTHING swapping the picks since our teams are going for different things.

[whelan=legend]

Well if he says he wants to come to Melbourne, that is alot better then us just picking him up with our no.1 PSD pick.

At wizard_9, you can still pick Hartlett at no.1 if you want, matter of fact you can pick anyone :)

IMO from watching the games today Rich looked alot better then Hartlett, against harder opposition.

[Memories]

Well if he says he wants to come to Melbourne, that is alot better then us just picking him up with our no.1 PSD pick.

At wizard_9, you can still pick Hartlett at no.1 if you want, matter of fact you can pick anyone :)

IMO from watching the games today Rich looked alot better then Hartlett, against harder opposition.

Not really, in a way I hope he goes the PSD route in this situation because it will free us up to get Cousins. So please, grab him in the PSD.

[dominguez]

Not really, in a way I hope he goes the PSD route in this situation because it will free us up to get Cousins. So please, grab him in the PSD.



Cousins won't go at pick 1 in the PSD whether Warnock is available or not.

[poshman]

if he says he wants to go to melbourne specifically then we may be forced to do something, but teams don't give up number one picks (not since we did anyway) and as has been said if he doesn't select a particular club we have the choice of three ripper players, any of the three look likely to become great players.

so more likely that we would want a end of 1st round priority pick giving us another look in the first round.

[wizard_9]

Well if he says he wants to come to Melbourne, that is alot better then us just picking him up with our no.1 PSD pick.

At wizard_9, you can still pick Hartlett at no.1 if you want, matter of fact you can pick anyone :)

IMO from watching the games today Rich looked alot better then Hartlett, against harder opposition.

Well i realise that smart ass.

But look at it this way the draft as i see it with the ladder as it is now:
1. Melb - Naitanui
2. WCE - Rich
3. Fre - Hartlett
4. Port - Watts
5. Ess - Hurley

With the trade you are suggesting:
1. Fre - Rich
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Melb - Watts
4. Port: Hartlett
5. Ess - Hurley

So effectively we would be loosing Hartlett and Warnock and gaining Rich.
Who says Warnock actually wants to go to Melbourne anyway, i think he will actually stay so its a moot point in my mind. But if he does go their is still 9 other Vic teams fighting for his services. If another teams puts more money on the table then your pov club then theres a fair chance he will go there.

[dominguez]

Well if he says he wants to come to Melbourne, that is alot better then us just picking him up with our no.1 PSD pick.


The PSD is in December so both club and player like to have their futures confirmed during trade week in early October to avoid the uncertainty.

Sure if we play hardball the PSD is an option for the Demons but it is in the best interest of Fremantle, Melbourne, and Robbie Warnock to get something sorted during trade week.

[Memories]

Cousins won't go at pick 1 in the PSD whether Warnock is available or not.

Gary Lyon (who doesn't run MFC) is the only melbourne person to say they probably wouldn't be interested in Cousins. Things are going to change in a few months time when he is blowing the VFL apart. Still Melbourne may not grab him due to their rebuild phase, but Cousins will be very highly sought after.

I'd rather warnock go to the PSD so we can send a message to clubs we don't accept shit deals, because if melb offer a pick swap it doesn't do us any good really. Melbourne still get their pick, and we just get to make a choice over Hartlett or Rich, when in essence it's a gamble who will be better out of those two. For any trade to be good both teams should be risking something, in this case melbourne risk nothing because they still get their man.

[whelan=legend]

So effectively we would be loosing Hartlett and Warnock and gaining Rich.
Who says Warnock actually wants to go to Melbourne anyway, i think he will actually stay so its a moot point in my mind. But if he does go their is still 9 other Vic teams fighting for his services. If another teams puts more money on the table then your pov club then theres a fair chance he will go there.
It's not the EPL genius, and arguably Melbourne will have the most salary cap space in the entire competition with alot of our older, higher paid players retiring at the end of the year. There we will be able to offer him the most $$ wise.

As i said in the other thread w_9, you guys screwed us over with Farmer, so i doubt Melbourne will be going out of their way to please you guys.

[Memories]

Yes the other point is warnock probably doesn't want to play in a rebuilding team that possibly won't have a future in 2 years. If I was a player I wouldn't CHOOSE to go to melbourne necessarily. Other clubs will deal for him.

[whelan=legend]

Yes the other point is warnock probably doesn't want to play in a rebuilding team that possibly won't have a future in 2 years. If I was a player I wouldn't CHOOSE to go to melbourne necessarily. Other clubs will deal for him.
Melbourne are a young, up and coming team. Robbie will fit in perfectly with his older brother:thumbsu:

[wizard_9]

It's not the EPL genius, and arguably Melbourne will have the most salary cap space in the entire competition with alot of our older, higher paid players retiring at the end of the year. There we will be able to offer him the most $$ wise.

As i said in the other thread w_9, you guys screwed us over with Farmer, so i doubt Melbourne will be going out of their way to please you guys.

Last i checked you guys couldn't pay up to 100% of the salary cap.

There is still other Vic clubs that need ruckman:
Essendon
Richmond
StKilda
Bulldogs
for example would all really like a good young ruckman on their list.

[Memories]

Melbourne are a young, up and coming team. Robbie will fit in perfectly with his older brother:thumbsu:

Up and coming? Hilarious. It's quite possible your team won't exist in a few years. If I was warnock and i was homesick I'd just want to move back to Melbourne, playing in a shit team wouldn't be my preference at all.

[wizard_9]

Melbourne are a young, up and coming team. Robbie will fit in perfectly with his older brother:thumbsu:

Come back and talk to us IF he decides he wants to go home. I dont think he will want to anyway so this at the moment is a worthless topic.

[poshman]

Last i checked you guys could pay up to 100% of the salary cap.

There is still other Vic clubs that need ruckman:
Essendon
Richmond
StKilda
Bulldogs
for example would all really like a good young ruckman on their list.

agree, dont think it is a forgone conclusion that melbourne will get him. For one they may end up winning more games than us this year, also it may not be that hard to convince him to go to a team that is of higher status than melbourne, the question is what would other clubs give us?

Also in relation to salary caps, we also have a bunch of players retiring or delisted and two seniors (M Carr Bell) who have done, macca will go also. What we could offer him salray wise I dont think will be an issue.

[whelan=legend]

Up and coming? Hilarious. It's quite possible your team won't exist in a few years. If I was warnock and i was homesick I'd just want to move back to Melbourne, playing in a shit team wouldn't be my preference at all.
Melbourne beat Brisbane last week with the youngest and least experienced team in the league.
Ref:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23960816-23211,00.html
http://afl.com.au/News/NewsArticle/t...x?newsId=62437 (http://afl.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=62437)

Melbourne has been around for 150 years and will be around for the next 150. We have more members then Bulldogs for starters, higher crowds then the bulldogs and kangaroos, just wait til we're back in form. Anyway, this thread was purely hypothetical in the first place.

I won't post again in this thread because my urges to troll freo are going off the radar with your post.

[Memories]

Melbourne beat Brisbane last week with the youngest and least experienced team in the league.

Wow, Melbourne supporters getting a bit ahead of themselves, Brisbane are a shit team, especially when travelling. With the way you're going I bet you're seeing your side top 8 next year. :D

BTW Melbourne in my opinion, are the most boring team to watch. You have no super stars, even Robbo isn't that exciting when he's pulling down massive grabs.

I somehow doubt your crowd figures but the Bulldogs are entertaining to watch, more than I can say for your rabble that will be merged with another club soon.

[Chops_a_must]

Melbourne has been around for 150 years and will be around for the next 150.
Lol...

You seem to be missing some pretty massive and genuine problems associated with players thinking of moving to Melbourne.

You don't have proper weights training facilities, a weights program or weights coaching from what I can gather. For the stick that is Warnock, it would be absolutely suicidal career wise going to Melbourne.

At Melbourne, he would get terribly injured 6 games in as the #1 ruckman.

[curry23]

Melbourne beat Brisbane last week with the youngest and least experienced team in the league.
Ref:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23960816-23211,00.html
http://afl.com.au/News/NewsArticle/t...x?newsId=62437 (http://afl.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=62437)

Melbourne has been around for 150 years and will be around for the next 150. We have more members then Bulldogs for starters, higher crowds then the bulldogs and kangaroos, just wait til we're back in form. Anyway, this thread was purely hypothetical in the first place.

I won't post again in this thread because my urges to troll freo are going off the radar with your post.
But the Bulldogs and Kangas are good and you are shit

[NiGHTFuRY]

Melbourne has been around for 150 years and will be around for the next 150.

yeah....
I don't think so unfortuately for you guys... You don't even have your own modern facilities for a club.
More than one team is going to have to fold from Melbourne and you guys are only being held up by the AFL. Sooner or latter you will be gone, or at the very least relegated to the VFL.

[petmax]

As much as I'm over all this talk of Freo getting held to ransom over Warnock, I think we should stay out of the topic of if/when Melbourne will fold as a club.

It is quite an attack on something a true supporter would feel strongly about, and I don't think it's any of our places to say.

All I know is that being a Seattle Supersonics fan for a long time, I'm gutted that they have been forced to move to another city. I can't imagine how the Melbourne supporters would feel if it happened to them!

[Bradesmaen]

I'm sick of seeing Warnock threads appear in Melb/Rich/etc forums! With the advent of the internet, fans are becoming more and more attached to actually trying to run a club! What ever happened to just supporting? ;)

[melbournemartin]

Melbourne wouldn't do this.

[Bluto]

All I know is that being a Seattle Supersonics fan for a long time, I'm gutted that they have been forced to move to another city. I can't imagine how the Melbourne supporters would feel if it happened to them!

Plenty of room on the Rip City train mate! Make a stand, don't back in the OKC Peanuts. Just move your sights a little south of Seattle and you will find the most exciting team going around! Isnt that right NightFury.

[NiGHTFuRY]

Plenty of room on the Rip City train mate! Make a stand, don't back in the OKC Peanuts. Just move your sights a little south of Seattle and you will find the most exciting team going around! Isnt that right NightFury.

Yes, thats right good sir. Brandon Roy and the lads are a very good side to follow. Have been since clyde the Glide back in the early ninties...
Greg Oden will be on the court this season..
Did you see that Spanish player named Rudy Fernandez they just recruited Bluto. He just won European Basketballer Of The Year....
We are a rising team... Finals await next season...
I hate losing to Utah btw... The always seem to beat us more than we defeat them..

[prattsta]

Yes, thats right good sir. Brandon Roy and the lads are a very good side to follow. Have been since clyde the Glide back in the early ninties...
Greg Oden will be on the court this season..
Did you see that Spanish player named Rudy Fernandez they just recruited Bluto. He just won European Basketballer Of The Year....
We are a rising team... Finals await next season...
I hate losing to Utah btw... The always seem to beat us more than we defeat them..

You might like this quote from the Sports Guy regarding the Blazers NF.

"They're like the anti-Hornets -- now that they know how to spend Paul Allen's money, they're unstoppable. Within about two more years, they'll be acting like one of those obnoxious Monopoly competitors who has more money and property than everyone else, giggles every time you land on their hotels and says things like, "Here's $200, will you roll the dice for me?" You can't blame them, but at the same time, you want to punch them in the face. That's where we're headed."

I'm just happy Philly has landed Brand, although to be perfectly honest my interst in the sixers has dropped off since AI left so bringing in Josh Smith (as they were originally planning) would've given me a lot better highlights to watch, which is about all i do these days.

Anyway to get back on topic, Fremantle's Pick 3 and Warnock for Melbourne's Pick 1 may be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on BF.

[leungtl]

Yes, thats right good sir. Brandon Roy and the lads are a very good side to follow. Have been since clyde the Glide back in the early ninties...
Greg Oden will be on the court this season..
Did you see that Spanish player named Rudy Fernandez they just recruited Bluto. He just won European Basketballer Of The Year....
We are a rising team... Finals await next season...
I hate losing to Utah btw... The always seem to beat us more than we defeat them..

Yeah, you guys will be awesome in a couple of years if you can keep the core. I agree if you're jumping off the Sonics train that Portland would be the best bandwagon to jump on in terms of supporting a bunch of quality kids you actually like :thumbsu:

You think YOU hate losing to Utah, they've knocked us out the last two playoff series! :(

----

And on topic, this trade would only work if Pick 1 had the equivilant talent of a LeBron and was streets ahead of anyone else in the draft. Unfortunately, there's at least two or three quality players who could go anywhere between 1-3 which would make this a poor trade for Freo.

[curry23]

If they added there PP or 2nd Rounder then it would be a good trade:thumbsu:

[petmax]

Plenty of room on the Rip City train mate! Make a stand, don't back in the OKC Peanuts. Just move your sights a little south of Seattle and you will find the most exciting team going around! Isnt that right NightFury.

Sorry can't do it fellas, I've been with them since the Kemp/Payton days. Rashard and Allen have been shipped off and now they have just got the next big thing in Durant... and the f@ckhead owner wants to move the team!!! :thumbsd: Gets me riled up :mad:

But anyway, it's like you asking me to jump off the Dockers.... not going to happen, I think I'll just give up my interest in the NBA to be honest.

[deeswant13]

Up and coming? Hilarious. It's quite possible your team won't exist in a few years. If I was warnock and i was homesick I'd just want to move back to Melbourne, playing in a shit team wouldn't be my preference at all.


You relise that Melbourne beat Fremantle this year don't you? Fremantle are the worst team in the AFL and last time I checked the only AFL team without a flag. It doesnt matter what your preference is, Freo werent giving him a go at all until the talk really started to heat up about him leaving to play with his brother. He would be the number 1 ruckman at Melbourne. A team that will play in a Grand Final sooner than the pathetic Fremantle Dockers. Enjoy your miserable team.

[Ysaye]

FWIW Id be happy to take that trade if Rob Warnock wants to go home. So long as we get one of Rich and Hartlett.

[DockerNJL]

You relise that Melbourne beat Fremantle this year don't you? Fremantle are the worst team in the AFL and last time I checked the only AFL team without a flag. It doesnt matter what your preference is, Freo werent giving him a go at all until the talk really started to heat up about him leaving to play with his brother. He would be the number 1 ruckman at Melbourne. A team that will play in a Grand Final sooner than the pathetic Fremantle Dockers. Enjoy your miserable team.


Lol's,

Picking on us for not having won a flag.

Funny last time i checked my dad was proberly still in nappies when you guys won your flag..

When its been that long then have a go,
untill then i would seriously be concentrating on ways to make your club money
not ways to make your supporters look stupid.

[Chops_a_must]

If they added there PP or 2nd Rounder then it would be a good trade:thumbsu:
I'm inclined to agree Murray.

IFF we lose him, we could guarantee Nait, Melbourne could still get their 2 men, and we could have another crack at a small mid later.

[curry23]

I'm inclined to agree Murray.

IFF we lose him, we could guarantee Nait, Melbourne could still get their 2 men, and we could have another crack at a small mid later.
Ummm Murray?:confused: Yeh its a fair trade, the get Warnock and Watts and we get Naitanui and Swift maybe.

[Chops_a_must]

12th Man quote.

[curry23]

12th Man quote.
Ok then:thumbsu:

[NiGHTFuRY]

You relise that Melbourne beat Fremantle this year don't you? Fremantle are the worst team in the AFL and last time I checked the only AFL team without a flag. It doesnt matter what your preference is, Freo werent giving him a go at all until the talk really started to heat up about him leaving to play with his brother. He would be the number 1 ruckman at Melbourne. A team that will play in a Grand Final sooner than the pathetic Fremantle Dockers. Enjoy your miserable team.

Bwahahhaaaa
http://www.thedailyblitz.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/crying-baby.jpg (http://www.thedailyblitz.org)
Great spit you had there champ.
Show some manners when you visit other boards you noob.
As addressed in DockersNJL responce you should look at your own failing club before coming here and having a go at us.
Not that I take joy in it, but you guys won't even be around to challenge for a premiership soon. We will...;)

Back to NBA...
I can understand how shite it would be to have your team change cities petmax. I'm a member of the Perth Glory and they certainly have that axe hovering over the club as well. Kinda crazy IMHO that the Sonics owner wants to beleaving Seattle. I don;t know any of the facts why he would want to but it's such a large city. Surely they make enough money to survive there.

Anyways Rip City for the upcoming season
Trail Blazers Roster

2008-09 Roster
NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
12 LaMarcus Aldridge F-C 6-11 245 07/19/1985 Texas 2
88 Nicolas Batum F-G 6-8 190 12/14/1988 R
4 Jerryd Bayless G 6-3 200 08/20/1988 Arizona R
2 Steve Blake G 6-3 172 02/26/1980 Maryland 5
1 Ike Diogu F 6-8 255 09/11/1983 Arizona State 3
5 Rudy Fernandez G 6-5 185 04/04/1985 Spain R
44 Channing Frye C 6-11 248 05/17/1983 Arizona 3
9 Raef LaFrentz F 6-11 245 05/29/1976 Kansas 10
52 Greg Oden C 7-0 250 01/22/1988 Ohio State R
25 Travis Outlaw F 6-9 215 09/18/1984 Starkville HS (MS) 5
10 Joel Przybilla C 7-1 255 10/10/1979 Minnesota 8
11 Sergio Rodriguez G 6-3 168 06/12/1986 Spain 2
7 Brandon Roy G-F 6-6 229 07/23/1984 Washington 2
24 Von Wafer (FA) G 6-5 210 07/21/1985 Florida State 3
8 Martell Webster F-G 6-7 229 12/04/1986 Seattle Prep HS (WA) 3

HEAD COACH Nate McMillan (College - North Carolina State)
LEAD ASSISTANT COACH Dean Demopoulos (College - West Chester)
ASSISTANT COACHES Maurice Lucas (College - Marquette)
Monty Williams (College - Notre Dame)
Bill Bayno (College - Sacred Heart)
STRENGTH-AND-CONDITIONING COACH Bob Medina (College - UNLV)
ATHLETIC TRAINER Jay Jensen (College - Loma Linda)

C - Captain
** - Unsigned Draft Pick
(FA) - Free Agent

[wizard_9]

You relise that Melbourne beat Fremantle this year don't you? Fremantle are the worst team in the AFL and last time I checked the only AFL team without a flag. It doesnt matter what your preference is, Freo werent giving him a go at all until the talk really started to heat up about him leaving to play with his brother. He would be the number 1 ruckman at Melbourne. A team that will play in a Grand Final sooner than the pathetic Fremantle Dockers. Enjoy your miserable team.

How many premierships have your mob won since we have been in the comp??
How many brownlow medalists have been from the Dees since we have been in the comp??

The score is 0-0 son and your club has had no more ULTIMATE success then us since the start of the 1995 season.

So #### off back to your pissy little board and dotn come back you tool.

[Memories]

You relise that Melbourne beat Fremantle this year don't you? Fremantle are the worst team in the AFL and last time I checked the only AFL team without a flag. It doesnt matter what your preference is, Freo werent giving him a go at all until the talk really started to heat up about him leaving to play with his brother. He would be the number 1 ruckman at Melbourne. A team that will play in a Grand Final sooner than the pathetic Fremantle Dockers. Enjoy your miserable team.

Actually there are a few teams without an AFL flag, yours being one of them. The VFL was a joke of a competition, not sure why your proud mentioning some flag you won 50 years ago in that comp. Kinda like me saying South Fremantle won over 5 flags in the WAFL so that means the dockers are better than you.

When your team folds in 3 years, don't become a dockers supporter just because we are in the process of a 3peat premiership run

[prattsta]

Kinda like me saying South Fremantle won over 5 flags in the WAFL so that means the dockers are better than you.

Over 10 actually, with 12 being the answer you're looking for.

[Memories]

Over 10 actually, with 12 being the answer you're looking for.

We might as well add Easts flags to the dockers team also I guess.

[whelan=legend]

The difference being the AFL is the continuation of the VFL, ########s. If you don't want our total premierships counted go back to the WAFL and keep your total of 12, im sure no-one would care.

[wizard_9]

The difference being the AFL is the continuation of the VFL, ########s. If you don't want our total premierships counted go back to the WAFL and keep your total of 12, im sure no-one would care.

How about you #### off back to your own board moron.
Enjoy Tasmania or wherever it is you end up.
Atleast we know we will have a team to support in 20 years time.

[prattsta]

The difference being the AFL is the continuation of the VFL, ########s. If you don't want our total premierships counted go back to the WAFL and keep your total of 12, im sure no-one would care.

Certainly not the point I was making, just correcting Memories. Saying the mighty bulldogs have 'over 5 flags' for #### sake, credit where credit it's due. 12 flags dammit! 12 flags! Which coincidentally is the same number Melbourne have.

You can have your total flags, I don't have an issue with that. Melbourne supporters can't exactly claim bragging rights over our lack of premiership success since 1995 though when your last flag came in 1964...

How about you #### off back to your own board moron.
Enjoy Tasmania or wherever it is you end up.
Atleast we know we will have a team to support in 20 years time.

No matter how many times i see these sort of comments i can't get over just how pathetic they are.

[deeswant13]

[quote=wizard_9;11669585]
How many brownlow medalists have been from the Dees since we have been in the comp?? quote]

Shane Woewodin in 2000 won the Brownlow. You guys ever made a Grand Final?

[salim malik]

[quote=wizard_9;11669585]
How many brownlow medalists have been from the Dees since we have been in the comp?? quote]

Shane Woewodin in 2000 won the Brownlow. You guys ever made a Grand Final?

Melbourne are 5 million in debt and propped up by the AFL,lowest supporter base in the comp,little or no future unless they relocate ,hello Tasmania goodbye Melbourne.End of story ,your club is pathetic.Who cares about a flag 45 years ago or how many Brownlows the Dees have won.Now **ss of back to your own board and actually think about the trouble you lot are in.:mad:

[pinkus maximus]

this thread = 1 star

[DCFCFAN84]

If Warnock wants to go back to Victoria we could defiantly get a better offer then that. Even an early second rounder or a PP is more appealing then moving up 2 spots.

[whelan=legend]

This hypothetical was based on him solely nominating melbourne as his preferred club...

[Memories]

This hypothetical was based on him solely nominating melbourne as his preferred club...

And melbourne tanking their way to the bottom, otherwise the above wouldn't make any sense.

[azreal]

Anyway to get back on topic, Fremantle's Pick 3 and Warnock for Melbourne's Pick 1 may be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on BF.

well that seals the deal...unless freo want to throw in mayne or palmer as well...

[dominguez]

this thread = 1 star


Think you're being generous.