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What did people think of Ports strategy against Brisbane to stack our forward line with talls?
I think that we missed Chad a bit in both his marking and his 1%ers... we didn't seem to have anyone trying to keep the ball in the forward area, but he played fantastic down back.
Personally even though our tall forwards struggled I think it was a good strategy. Finals are normally high pressured games esp. in the 1st half, and this makes it very hard to find the time and space to deliver passes onto the chests of our leading forwards. So I think having your forward line stacked with talls can allow the midfielders to quickly bomb it in when they are under pressure.
What we did do poorly though was rove the packs in the forward lines. If we are going to bomb it in like that we have to get our small forwards in Jnr Burger, Burgoyne, Dew and co. to get in positions to crumb the packs instead of providing leads.
I think we should go with the Tall forward structure again against the Lions (should we meet) during the 1st half and then in the 2nd half revert to a small fast leading forward structure using the Burgers and Wanganeen.
Cheers
SKC
Was a good idea but i thoguht it failed in the end.
I think it failed because:
- Brogan took 0 marks
- French took 0 marks
- the Brisbane defenders ran the ball out of defence with ease as neither French or Brogan are pacey.
It would work if either Brogan or French could take a grab, but neither of them could and as soon as the ball hit the ground, we were stuffed.
On that did you see that French and Brogan were playing relatively deep in the pockets. Maybe they should have come more into the goal square. It was more likely done so that they couldn't double team as much but I think that we would have been more of a chance to dominate in the forward lines taking strong pack marks rather than going one-out as the Brisbane backs are good spoilers.
I also think we should have played with a front 6.
PB Tredders JB
French Dew Broges.
3 talls 3 smalls, enough chasing power more than enough marking.
It worked.
It tied up Brisbane's rebounding talls nicely with a couple of dummy target, leaving it up to the midfielders and the occasional small forward to scoop it up. Basically, I reckon we nicked the Crows' gameplan for the match.
I think an interesting thing that came up in that match was seeing Brisbane get caught waiting for back up....they really like numbers when going forward, so when a direct opponent puts the pressure on when they haven't had time to get the backup together, they cough it up. Exploiting this safety measure certainly put them on the back foot.
dreamkillers
2 Sep 2002, 20:11
I thought it worked well on a couple of occasions when the midfielders stormed through after a long kick into the forward lines..........
It was certainly more effective than the caning it got from Tony Shaw and co on the commentary team.........
At least it keeps things interesting and shows we can vary the attack and will be something I'm sure we might see again during the finals........if only to stuff up the matchups of the opposition.....
Originally posted by Porthos
It worked.
It tied up Brisbane's rebounding talls nicely with a couple of dummy target, leaving it up to the midfielders and the occasional small forward to scoop it up. Basically, I reckon we nicked the Crows' gameplan for the match.
I think an interesting thing that came up in that match was seeing Brisbane get caught waiting for back up....they really like numbers when going forward, so when a direct opponent puts the pressure on when they haven't had time to get the backup together, they cough it up. Exploiting this safety measure certainly put them on the back foot.
100% agree that it worked.
Brisbane are not overly endowed in one department only, and that is their talls.
By stretching their backline, they had shackles placed on their usual rebounding technique, and our tall backs had the better of their tall forwards.
Admittedly White was not playing.
Good move by Williams, it did work.
Lets not forget that we kicked seven unanswered goals in the third term, compared with five from them in the last.
This week the key will be Primus.
Tredders#16
3 Sep 2002, 13:51
Originally posted by PAfolwr
This week the key will be Primus.
I agree, Man Mountain seems to always be the key, doesn't he?
Tredders is always important IMO to our forwardline, esp when Chad isn't there. Interesting that Leppa kicked more goals than Tredders last week!:o
Tredders#16
powergirlluv17
3 Sep 2002, 14:18
yes i was just about to mention that about the commentary about our foward line in having talls, they were whinging saying it's not working, they should change it, they should have changed it by now, it's not going to help, they will lose et etc etc!!!!!
well commentators who won the match???
i don't care how our setup is, as long as we win, at least we experiement with our strategys and our forward line, pfft tony shaw if u reckon u know so much then how come you have ended up on the outer, and making stupid comments such as rioli is a fat pig!!!!!
Originally posted by Tredders#16
I agree, Man Mountain seems to always be the key, doesn't he?
Tredders is always important IMO to our forwardline, esp when Chad isn't there. Interesting that Leppa kicked more goals than Tredders last week!:o
Tredders#16
If Collingwood are forced to play Fraser in the ruck all game, then if Primus is on song and not carrying any niggling injuries, which he appears to be doing at the moment, he will slaughter him and we win by a huge margin.
If they can share the workload in the ruck, ie Rocca, and Primus is not totally fit we will win by a lesser margin.
Ford Fairlane
3 Sep 2002, 15:34
French was terrific in the ruck against Charman and McDonald. He really relishes opposition ruckmen who run straight at him and jump ... he doesn't mind jumping straight into them. Ask Josh Fraser how his ribs felt the last time he went up against Barney in ruck.
Despite the bleating of the commentators, the two (too?) tall forward set up was a good idea, would've looked even better if Brogan had been paid a couple of marks/free kicks in front that were close. Might have been even more interesting with Morgan up there instead. He's not much shorter than Brogan and French and much more athletic and quicker.
Anyway, different match ups, different conditions for the first final.
It worked, however i like the look of our forward line when we use a Burgoyne (either) or Wanganeen as a leading target and use Tredders & Cornes as our marking tarkets. However v Brisbane the talls were almost a decoy, the problem with the talls in question, French especially is that he isn't a good mark, Brogan is better but our best marking ruckman is playing for south in the SANFL, if only Ladey could get some form that "tall" forward line structure would be brilliant.
I agree it would be a good idea to again start like it if we played them again (due to the reason stated in previous posts) and then revert to our smaller options after half time.
With Kingers back though Brogan may not play and so it would be doubtful we would use it again, perhaps Monty could be used as another forward option but he is hardly a 'tall'.
D.White at FF, Tredrea at CHF Cornes at CHB???
Originally posted by Eago77
It worked, however i like the look of our forward line when we use a Burgoyne (either) or Wanganeen as a leading target and use Tredders & Cornes as our marking tarkets.
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I agree that our forward line works better when setup as above in normal conditions but in the finals pressure situation our midfielders normally don't have the space and time to hit our fast leading targets.
This is why I think it is a good idea to use the Tall forward options I know it didn't quiet come off against the Lions but maybe it was a test run for the finals... using it in similar finals type pressure.
I think we need to refine it and get the smalls up there to be in true roving postions (front and center)... maybe they should take lessons from Rgoer James on where they should position themselves.
Also I think Brogan was unlucky not to get paid a free or 2 ... he was clearly taller then his opponent and his oppenent at times was hugging Brogans waist whilst he was going for the mark. Should have been atleast 2 holding on frees to Brogan.
Cheers
SKC
Originally posted by kaysee
Also I think Brogan was unlucky not to get paid a free or 2 ... he was clearly taller then his opponent and his oppenent at times was hugging Brogans waist whilst he was going for the mark. Should have been atleast 2 holding on frees to Brogan.
More often then not Scott was holding him down by one arm.
How he didn't get any frees is amazing.
Originally posted by Zombie
D.White at FF, Tredrea at CHF Cornes at CHB???
I can definitely see this happening next year. If Thrust gets a game, we could even put Cornes at HFF. Thus three tall guns.
Originally posted by PAfolwr
More often then not Scott was holding him down by one arm.
How he didn't get any frees is amazing.
if i was Choco i would of told Brogan to stand with his arms above his head the whole game. Sh*t by the time he'd have jumped his hands would have been atleast a foot above the height Scott could reach. My advice would of been Broges put you f*cken hands up in the air and leave 'em there, if Scott had then started to grapple with him even the blindest of umpires would of paid a free.