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Donners
3 Sep 2002, 10:10
This is a fairly brief look at the future of each member of the Sydney squad, based on my observations of Sydney’s senior side, Port Melbourne and my own statistical database, which has traced the performance of the players since 1993. This is the format I will use to introduce each player:

Player Name [Age*, pos, career games, 2002 games]
* Age is how old the player will be by the end of 2002.
Weeks in, Weeks injured, Weeks Suspended, Weeks Omitted:

[Note: these four categories go from 1997 or the beginning of the players’ career to the present, and a fairly self-explanatory. They may not be entirely accurate, as sometimes the injury list in the paper is not comprehensive, but they should give an indication of how injury-prone the player is. A person sent to the reserves/VFL for a couple of weeks after recovering from a long-term injury is still considered to be injured for the purposes of this.]


And without further ado…

Luke Ablett [20, HF/OB, 4, 4]
4, 3, 0, 38

Made his debut in his second year at the club, with minimal game time and impact. His performances in the VFL have been mixed, and he is yet to truly make a position his own. Has not yet proven himself worthy of being a high draft pick, and next season will be crucial to his future.


Jason Ball [30, R/F, 132, 0]
29,36,2,0

His 2001 was so powerful that the Sydney hierarchy saw fit to get rid of Simon Feast and Greg Stafford, assuming that Ball could again play a full season. Of course, he injured his groin in the pre-season and what was originally going to be a 7-week injury stretched out week after week until his season was declared over. 29 games in 3 seasons is an unacceptable result given the lack of quality backup in the ruck position, but his excellent 2001 season (and that lack of depth) should ensure at least one more year on the list.


Leo Barry [25, HB, 98, 13]
89, 23, 0, 22

One of many injury-prone players on the list, though to be fair his internal injury this season was a bit of a freak event. He has performed fairly well at half back over the last two seasons, and Roos showed plenty of faith in him by assigning Barry to Matthew Richardson on Saturday. Does not have the same impact that he once did in the forward line, but is a solid mid-range player.


Jude Bolton [22, OB, 67, 19]
67, 2, 2, 19

Arguably the most disappointing player this year, missing two weeks through suspension and failing to improve on his excellent first three years – indeed, possibly regressing. His form steadily declined over the last few weeks, failing to break 10 possessions on several occasions with only a decent performance in Round 19 breaking the trend. At times he seemed like a human pinball – diving into packs, bouncing off players and so forth, but never really achieving much in the end. The retirement of Paul Kelly (who did play in a fairly similar manner) will probably save him from being trade bait, but he will need to improve in 2003.


Leigh Brockman [24, D/R, 12, 10]
10, 1, 0, 11

Something of a surprise promotion off the rookie list last year, the former first-round draft pick did show some signs of promise. He was forced to play in the ruck despite being outsized (and lacking the leap of Goods and Bennett), but looked better as a defender, especially for Port Melbourne. Will need to take advantage of Dunkley’s absence next year to ensure his future at the club.


Amon Buchanon [20, FP/OB, 6, 6]
6, 0, 0, 39

It takes a pretty special player to succeed as a small forward, and last year it didn’t look as if Buchanon had what it takes. However, he has reinvented himself as a midfielder/half forward this year, and it has resulted in both a senior debut and many solid performances in the VFL, including a best-on-ground effort in the final on Saturday. Whether he can perform similarly in the AFL remains to be seen.


Daryn Cresswell [31, OB, 225, 22]
129, 5, 0, 0

Hit for the first time by injury in 2001after four years of averaging 27 or more possessions per game. However, he got back on track in 2002 playing every game and leading the club in possessions and clearances. Doesn’t have the pace he once did, but is still capable of kicking goals and picking up plenty of the ball in tight situations. Has signed on for one more year (most likely his final one), making him the longest-serving player currently at the club.


Jared Crouch [24, OB/D/Tag, 108, 22]
108, 0, 0, 26

Has now extended his run of consecutive games to 108, having not missed a match since his debut in 1998. He did well on several of the competition’s top midfielders, but he struggled against St. Kilda’s Stephen Milne. All up, it was another good, solid year for one of Sydney’s most consistent players.


Stephen Doyle [21, R/F, 16, 9]
16, 23, 0, 28

Continues to show promise as a ruckman, but a move forward in Round 7 showed that he also has ability as a forward. Unfortunately, injuries again took their toll, put out for six weeks by a late bump at one point. He could be a good foil for Goodes as a ruckman, but I can’t see him playing alongside Mott in the ruck. While he could rotate with Ball between ruck and forward, a forward line with Doyle/Ball, Goodes, Hall and O’Loughlin would be excessively tall. He will definitely remain on the list, but don’t expect a regular senior role while Ball is still around.


Ben Fixter [21, D/OB, 24, 17]
24, 12, 0, 31

The career of the man once compared to Paul Kelly looked to be in deep trouble at the end of last season with minimal impact in the VFL and a few unremarkable games in the seniors. However, the retirement of Wayne Schwass and the pushing of Ben Mathews to the midfield meant there was a spot available for a small defender, which Fixter slotted into beautifully. While he did not get anywhere near as many possessions as those players, he did establish himself as a quick, calm and courageous player who was always willing to lay tackles and get under the packs. With a bit more experience, he could be a core member of the side.


Nic Fosdike [22, OB/W, 68, 21]
68, 5, 0, 17

After years of being the most maligned player on the Sydney list, Fosdike finally showed why he was the #3 draft pick in 1998. A fairly decent start to the year fell away rapidly, resulting in his omission from the side for the first time since early 2000. This seemed to spark him, and the season-ending injury to Stuart Maxfield gave him free reign on the wing where he became one of the best midfielders in the side, finishing the season with an average of 17.2 possessions per game. Not only has he stepped out of the shadow of Jude Bolton (who was #8 in the same draft, but has always performed better until this year), he has probably surpassed him with classy disposal and an eye for goal. While rumours of a trade continue, they are remnants of his first three seasons. It would be a foolish decision to get rid of him when he finally looks like meeting his potential.


Adam Goodes [22, R/F/D, 87, 22]
87, 3, 0, 24

Had a fairly mixed first half of the season, but he really seemed to step up once Roos took over. Interestingly, he was also returned to the number one ruck position which he occupied in 1999. While he beat similarly sized ruckmen both in the centre and around the ground, he found it tougher against bigger players, especially at boundary throw-ins. It may sound odd, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him play in defence next year (as he often did as a junior). Who could forget him playing a whole game at centre half back, but still running down to score three goals in a single quarter?


Barry Hall [25, F, 105, 17]
17, 0, 5, 0

Big, bad, bustling, bad-mouthed, bristling, bald Barry certainly had an impact in his first season at the club. Putting aside a ridiculously excessive 5 week suspension (Rioli went straight for Williams’ eyes and actually broke the skin, while Hall did neither – and Rioli misses half as many weeks!), he was probably one of Sydney’s top five players. While he struggled at times with Lockett around and had a few quiet weeks, he did fit in nicely as Sydney’s first true key forward since 1999. A more settled forward line and Lockett’s advice on controlling his temper (don’t laugh – he did stay out of trouble once he arrived at Sydney) should result in an even better 2003.


Daniel Hunt [18, D, 0, 0]
0, 12, 0, 10

Disturbingly injury-prone in his first year at the club, suffering two major shoulder injuries. At 192cm and only 75kg, it will be a long time before he is ready for the key defensive position he is being groomed for. Still, it’s early days and he has youth on his side.


Heath James [22, D, 5, 0]
5, 51, 0, 34

Probably the most tragic story in the AFL, and definitely at the Swans. The injury statistic tells the tale – I daresay he’s had more operations than AFL games over his career. Just when it finally looked like he’d come back from his hamstring injuries (10 in the last two years, I believe), kicking three goals in an SFL game, he wrecked his knee during a kick to kick at a juvenile correction centre or some such. While he is considered Sydney’s best prospect for full back, five games in four years is really unacceptable. Wade Chapman had similarly horrible hamstring troubles, but at least he managed to put 50 games on the board. The retirement of Andrew Dunkley may have given him an outside chance of continuing his career, and he is still quite young (and very, very gutsy to keep coming back). However, given that the list contains several players known to go down at a fairly regular rate (Barry, Seymour, Doyle, Ball and Warfe), you have to wonder if the Sydney hierarchy are willing to take the risk once again.


Tadgh Kennelly [21, W/OB, 28, 20]
28, 0, 0, 39

While the press would have you believe he is the best thing to come from Ireland since U2 (or maybe Jim Stynes – I’m not sure which came first), he did struggle for the first few weeks – collecting 5, 12, 5, 2, [dropped], 6, 1 and 5 possessions in the games to round 8. However, he did improve after being dropped a second time, and not coincidentally, his best performance came the week after Maxfield was injured – picking up 23 possessions off the wing in round 13. He put in several more good games after that, though he did drop away in the last few matches. For somebody who only started playing the game a couple of years ago, he has caught on quickly, and should be a regular player in years to come.


Brett Kirk [26, OB, 49, 18]
49, 0, 0, 41

Never fashionable and not the most skilful midfielder you will find, but he is honest and hard working. Not only did he lead the side in tackles (a fair effort given that Sydney were the #1 tackling side in the competition), he also had 41 more handballs than kicks, emphasising his nature as an in-and-under player. Still, he is one of those players who always looks to be on the fringe of the side (he was dropped twice, and started most games on the bench) and he cannot be considered a young prospect any more. He has never regained the form of his debut year in 1999 (averaging 17 possessions and a goal a game), but an effort similar to 2002 next year should ensure his safety.


Ben Mathews [24, D/OB, 87, 21]
86, 1, 0, 47

One of several senior players in the 21-24 age bracket, and probably one of the best. While he is a quiet achiever, he racks up plenty of touches (20 per game in 2000, 18 in 2001 and 17 this year) and can close down opponents in defence and the midfield. While he played as more of a half back last year (leading the side in defensive 50 rebounds), he went into the middle a little more and performed well. Like most of the players in his age bracket, he seems to be part of the side’s long-term plan and will remain at the club.


Stuart Maxfield [30, W, 238, 12]
122, 11, 1, 0

Was hit by injury for the first time since joining Sydney, and it was a nasty one – a knee injury putting him out for the rest of the season after round 12. It was a shame, as 2001 was the best year of his career, and he had just stepped up to a leadership role. While he will certainly be in the senior side next year, there will be plenty of competition for a spot on the wings from Kennelly and Fosdike for the first time in quite a while. At any rate, he may well be named as captain following Kelly’s retirement, but age and his injury this year may count against him.


Daniel McPherson [27, HB/W, 108, 15]
83, 13, 0, 38

Sadly, it seems that McPherson will struggle to avoid the axe this year. After two excellent years (averaging 18 possessions per game despite being hit by injuries in 2000 and 16 in 2001), he fell away dramatically, dropped for the first time since 1999 in round 10. While he was brought back for the final 5 games under Roos, he was used mainly off the bench and didn’t have a huge impact. While his long-kicking has always been a feature, his lack of polish with short passes and declining pace will place plenty of questions over his head. A trade may be best for both player and club, but his age may dissuade other clubs from pursuing him.


Ricky Mott [19, R, 17, 17]
17, 0, 0, 5

The surprise packet of the year for Sydney, a late draft pick who made his debut in the first round due to injuries to the first two ruckmen and never looked back. Not only does he look to be one of the best tap ruckmen in the AFL, belting some of the top players in the competition, he also showed the ability to win contested marks up forward. He seemed to fall out of favour with Roos, surprisingly dropped while Doyle was still out injured, but perhaps he was simply being rested – after all, 17 games in your debut season is pretty rare for a ruckman. Unfortunately, his lack of mobility was exposed at times, and it’s hard to see him getting in ahead of Doyle or Ball.


Matthew Nicks [27, HB/HF, 131, 21]
122, 9, 0, 3

It was a bizarre year for the man named as one of three vice-captains this year. His efforts in the first few weeks of the season had him in contention for an All-Australian spot, while his form in the latter half of the year resulted in him being dropped (but recalled at the last minute) and starting most games on the bench. Apart from a decent performance in round 19, he looked totally unthreatening up forward and was not even able to fit back into his former position as half back. Not only are his chances of becoming captain shot, he is now potential trade bait.


Ryan O’Keefe [21, HF/W/HB, 27, 9]
27, 5, 1, 34

Just when it looked like he had established a position for himself in the senior side, he got himself suspended for a stupid action in a VFL game over the split round. While he was only out for one week, he was left out for three more games before being recalled in round 17. Surprisingly, he was tried as a forward under Roos, having previously played as a running half back/wing. The move worked wonders, with O’Keefe kicking six goals in two games (and he would have had more if not for inaccurate kicking). Looks to be a good prospect for the future, both as a forward and on a wing where he can use his excellent long kicking to create plenty of problems for opposition defenders.

Michael O’Loughlin [25, HF, 165, 19]
126, 8, 0, 0

It was another frustrating year for O’Loughlin, who has always seemed on the verge of being a superstar but has never quite taken the next step. That said, he did kick 9 goals in the last three games, and created havoc in short bursts throughout the season. Of the three current vice-captains, O’Loughlin seems to be the most qualified to take over from Kelly as Sydney captain, but his frustration is often very evident out on the ground, which doesn’t set a good example for the younger players.


Mark Powell [18, D, 0, 0]
0, 0, 0, 22

An unremarkable year for another young defensive prospect, who will take several seasons before he is physically capable of a key defensive post.


Lewis Roberts-Thomson [19, D/F, 0, 0]
0, 6, 0, 16

Generally regarded as the best of the 2001 draft picks, he suffered no less than three separate knee injuries over the season, though all were fairly minor. At 196cm and 86kg, he should be ready for a senior role in the near future.


Jason Saddington [23, D, 111, 22]
111, 1, 0, 2

Unquestionably the best young player at the Swans, Saddington really did step up into a key defensive role this year. While he still lacks the physical bulk of an average centre half back, he has done incredibly well for somebody who was playing on a wing two years ago. Even more astonishingly, he has only missed three games in five years since being drafted, averaging 22.2 games per season. Consider him a dark horse in the battle for captaincy.


Andrew Schauble [26, CHB, 130, 14]
51, 16, 0, 0

Was this man really the club best and fairest in 2000? This was Schauble’s second successive season plagued by injuries, and this time he even lost his spot as a defender, having to play up in a forward pocket for most of the year. While he did manage a couple of goals, it’s not something that looks to be a permanent move. While he is now the most experienced of the key defenders, he does not have the bulk (or, quite frankly, the defensive ability) of Andrew Dunkley, so he may struggle at full back should he be entrusted with the role next year.


Adam Schneider [18, OB, 0, 0]
0, 12, 0, 10

Schneider’s season was cut short by glandular fever, but he looks to be a decent in-and-under type midfielder. He is of a very similar build and style to Jared Crouch, so perhaps a tagging role is not out of the question. It will take at least one more year in the SFL/VFL before he will be seriously considered for a senior spot, though.


Brad Seymour [26, D, 131, 13]
89, 34, 2, 9

Yet another season hit by injuries (ankle, shoulder and ankle again) and an apparently dramatic loss of pace suggest that Seymour will be looked at very closely in the coming weeks. His past four seasons (with only 14, 13, 12 and 13 games due to injuries) and his reported inability to continue in his role as a running linkman out of defence (hence his move to the forward line) suggest that he is no longer a certain starter in the senior side. While many commentators praised his performances in the forward line, the reality is that he only kicked three goals for the year (with only seven scoring shots in total). If Sydney wanted a player who could simply knock everybody over up forward, they would have retained Ryan O’Connor on the list. However, it takes more than that to make the 22 in a side hoping for finals football, and a trade or even delisting would not be out of the question.


Scott Stevens [20, F, 14, 14]
14, 0, 0, 53

While Stevens had a mixed beginning to the season (having only two touches on debut, then scoring three goals in the next game), he did show enough to suggest he could be a good prospect. Admittedly, he doesn’t have the marking ability or strength of a key forward just yet, but he is an excellent set shot and has decent pace. It was interesting to see him play on a wing and at half forward for Port Melbourne – perhaps he should be given a chance to do this for Sydney rather than be stuck in a pocket?


Jarrad Sundqvist [20, HB/HF, 1, 1]
1, 1, 0, 43

Finally made his debut in round 21, but was out the next week with a minor knee injury. Still, he has shown some signs at both ends of the ground, and may be worth another go next year.


Rowan Warfe [26, HB, 96, 5]
68, 48, 1, 17

It looks like it is finally the end of the road for the former Fitzroy defender. Yet another season has been ruined by hamstring, calf and finger injuries, continuing an injury record that is probably only surpassed by Heath James. The difference is that while James is 22, Warfe is four years older and cannot be carried on the list any longer. To be fair, he was reasonable in his five games, averaging 13 possessions, but he doesn’t really have the penetrating kicking or explosive pace of your average half back, and has not really been tried in a key defensive role. Unless the Swans are absolutely desperate to have as many possible replacements for Dunkley as possible, it’s hard to see Warfe staying on the list.


Paul Williams [29, OB, 231, 19]
42, 3, 0, 0

An outside chance for the Brownlow, described as the best player on Sydney’s list by Eade and favourite to win his second best and fairest in two years at the club. Probably the only thing standing between Williams and the captaincy is his short time at the club, but with few better choices around, don’t be surprised if he gets the job.


The Rookies
* Since there are three players who are no longer eligible for the rookie list after this season (and all three have AFL experience), I will only take a look at them.


Gerard Bennett [23, D/F/R, 32, 13]
32, 9, 0, 49

It was yet another strange season for Bennett, constantly demolishing opponents in the VFL as if he were a top-class AFL player simply going down for a kick, but then struggling when he made it to the seniors. Still, don’t forget his first two games – 17 possessions in round 1, and then 18 possessions and 12 marks in round 2 playing loose across half back. As usual, he soon found himself back in the VFL, and could only make erratic cameo appearances in the seniors after that. He could be a very useful player to have on the senior list given his incredible versatility (how many 187cm ruckmen could you name?), but it seems the coaching staff still doesn’t have enough faith in him to justify his second promotion.


Ricky O’Loughlin [23, HF, 9, 0]
0, 0, 0, 22

While it was always a worthwhile attempt to give O’Loughlin another chance to prove himself at an AFL club, the results weren’t entirely encouraging. While he does have some clear ability, his form was erratic, his temper seemed quite short at times and he does not have the height of his brother – all factors that make it hard to find a senior position for him next year.


Chris Obst [23, HB, 17, 0]
0, 3, 0, 19

Looked fairly good at Port Melbourne, but never quite enough to justify promotion to the senior list. He doesn’t have the size for a key position role, but nor does he possess the penetrative passing and pace of a back flanker. It’s hard to see him remaining at Sydney.


In summary:


Chances for captaincy in 2003:

Paul Williams, Michael O'Loughlin, Stuart Maxfield, Jason Saddington.


Potential trades/delistings:

Heath James, Matthew Nicks, Brad Seymour, Rowan Warfe, Chris Obst, Gerrard Bennett, Ricky O'Loughlin, Jude Bolton, Danny McPherson.

TigerCraig
3 Sep 2002, 11:56
I'd look at Saddington as captain - young and ready to go, much like Kelly when appointed. Otherwise Williams, with Saddington and Goodes as VC's being groomed for one to take over in 2-3 years.

I'd keep Bolton, and probably Nicks and McPherson, unless there was a good trade on offer. James would be good to keep, but you'd want a good doctors report.

I like Bennett, but he seems a bit of a Ryan O'Connor type - dominant at state level, but not quite up to AFL level. O'Loughlin, Warfe and unfortunately Seymour probably to be let go.

TheMase
3 Sep 2002, 12:12
Originally posted by TigerCraig
I'd look at Saddington as captain - young and ready to go, much like Kelly when appointed. Otherwise Williams, with Saddington and Goodes as VC's being groomed for one to take over in 2-3 years.

I'd keep Bolton, and probably Nicks and McPherson, unless there was a good trade on offer. James would be good to keep, but you'd want a good doctors report.

I like Bennett, but he seems a bit of a Ryan O'Connor type - dominant at state level, but not quite up to AFL level. O'Loughlin, Warfe and unfortunately Seymour probably to be let go.

I am thinking a different way with the captaincy.

Give it to Maxi or Willo like has been said... but have Fixter prepare for it in 2-3 years time, as I believe he is going to be a great player and a champion for Sydney. Much like Paul Kelly himself.

BMD
3 Sep 2002, 12:56
Donners - good work. I agree with almost everything you wrote.

I'm also starting to lean towards Saddington as captain and I wouldn't have considered him at the start of the year.

Seymour looks to be gone and so does Warfe, although they may only choose to trade one of the two. Agree that Nicks was v disappointing in the second half of the year.

swansong
3 Sep 2002, 14:52
If he looks like he'll be fully fit next year , Stuart Maxfield should be captain.
Frosty did his prospects of retention no harm on Saturday.
I would like to see Matthew Nicks used consistently in an offensive role - he is IMO an intelligent player with good vision and he seems to enjoy himself more when playing up front.
Seymour could have had four straight on Saturday and you have to take your hat off to him for backing himself after two misses.

Jeffers
3 Sep 2002, 17:41
personally i would like to see Willo get the gig, but the fact that he has only been with us for 2 years makes me think that Stuey will be captain

anyways, it will be a tough act to follow

a4brianp
4 Sep 2002, 16:12
Jason Saddington has always reminded me of former swan champon Mark Bayes and i feel he is a future captain of the club perhaps behind Paul Williams next season

TigerCraig
4 Sep 2002, 17:02
Good call re Bayes.

I was a bit concerned that Saddington was heading towards becoming a Dale Lewis/Mark Waugh type - very talented, but lazy (or least appearing lazy).

Second half of the year was much more promising.

warfes_chick
12 Sep 2002, 13:46
where do u get off specualting which players are going to either get delisted, traded or retire. most of the players u are specualting about have a couple more seasons at the swans.
stop the specualtion until it is made official what players are leaving the club!!!!
i realize that these assumptions are your own ideas but where is your proof that any if not all those players u think will be traded/delisted/retire.

TheMase
12 Sep 2002, 14:56
Originally posted by warfes_chick
where do u get off specualting which players are going to either get delisted, traded or retire. most of the players u are specualting about have a couple more seasons at the swans.
stop the specualtion until it is made official what players are leaving the club!!!!
i realize that these assumptions are your own ideas but where is your proof that any if not all those players u think will be traded/delisted/retire.

wc, let people speculate. Its a bit of fun, you should try it!!

There is no proof, its opinion on what we need and what we dont need, players that have improvement and ones that are taking up room on our list :)

Donners
12 Sep 2002, 18:35
Originally posted by warfes_chick
where do u get off specualting which players are going to either get delisted, traded or retire. most of the players u are specualting about have a couple more seasons at the swans.
stop the specualtion until it is made official what players are leaving the club!!!!
i realize that these assumptions are your own ideas but where is your proof that any if not all those players u think will be traded/delisted/retire.

You didn't like the bit about Warfe, huh? :)

The point of speculation and assumptions in this context (a general discussion for fans) is that they do not require proof, they are simply based on my own logic and reasoning. I daresay most of them would be pretty hard to refute - and if you were willing to try, I'd welcome it. After all, that's the fun of speculation, is it not?

warfes_chick
13 Sep 2002, 12:24
if u must know i have been discussing such comments as your misguided ones, with the players and as far as rowan is concerned it is all "bulls**t" and as far as heath james is concerned he loved the game so much that in spite of the fact that his knee is "s**thouse" he still wants to play in sydney.
yes i didn't like your stupid comments that Rowan and brad should go, who do u suggest will fill our back line, as rowan and brad are 2 key defenders, if they do go????
why do u think that obst should go? He has been one of port melbournes best players, yes he has had injuries but who hasn't this season, doesn't automatically mean that they should go!!!
why trade potential future captains of the club in jude bolton, matthew nicks?
do u have any other ideas on any of those subjects?

TheMase
13 Sep 2002, 13:27
Originally posted by warfes_chick
do u have any other ideas on any of those subjects?

WE CANT KEEP EVERYONE!!!!!

As much as the next Swans supporter I would love to keep all our players, as they are all Swans. But it is impossible it is normal for a club to turn over 5-10 players a year, COMPLETELY NORMAL. Players that are underperforming (Warfe, Bolton, Nicks, Matthews etc), players that are that set back from injury they cant get on the paddock (Heath James, Fitzy last year). Players that we cannot see making it at AFL level (Possibly Obst, Bennett).

We need players that are going to make us A PREMIERSHIP SIDE. We cant keep all our players because many would nto make the Brisbanes of this world, and if this is so, then we must get young TALENT.

Desredandwhite
13 Sep 2002, 14:34
ks, we're all allowed our opinions. As Mase said, player lists have turnovers each year and there is NOTHING we can do about it. I was disappointed when we traded Ryan FitzGerald to Adelaide as I really rate him as a player and bloke... But he has suffered another serious knee injury again this season so you can't really say the trading/recruiting department don't know what they're talking about.

I can appreciate how hard it is for the players, and if you have links to them, but footy these days is unfortunately a business. The club has to do what it thinks is best FOR THE CLUB. If they think they can improve the list by trading fringe players, then so be it. The club is bigger than any individual supporter or official or player. Donners has posted what I believe to be a very thorough and excellent summary of the list, from a purely football point of view. It should be intepreted as such.

FWIW, I think it will be a fairly conservative trading period. some players would be looking over their shoulders, but it won't be the wholesale cull that some people think.

Donners
13 Sep 2002, 20:13
Originally posted by warfes_chick
if u must know i have been discussing such comments as your misguided ones, with the players and as far as rowan is concerned it is all "bulls**t" and as far as heath james is concerned he loved the game so much that in spite of the fact that his knee is "s**thouse" he still wants to play in sydney.
yes i didn't like your stupid comments that Rowan and brad should go, who do u suggest will fill our back line, as rowan and brad are 2 key defenders, if they do go????
why do u think that obst should go? He has been one of port melbournes best players, yes he has had injuries but who hasn't this season, doesn't automatically mean that they should go!!!
why trade potential future captains of the club in jude bolton, matthew nicks?
do u have any other ideas on any of those subjects?

I certainly do, though I believe I explained them fairly well originally. Warfe has played 10 games in two years, 14 in 1999 and 13 in 2000 - on average, that's less than half the games per season over the last four years. No senior player can be carried for that long, especially one who has only played one full season for the club (1998). I also note that Seymour wasn't even used as a defender for much of last year, and Sydney has had to cope with having Warfe unavailable for a long time - so how much of a blow to the defence will it be if they were to go? Saddington is ready to take on a key role at the back as is Leigh Brockman, and Goodes can go back if Stevens and O'Keefe continue to improve as forwards. Also, don't forget Lewis Roberts-Thomson (who should play next year) and Mark Powell and Daniel Hunt who are also being readied for a key defensive role. Anyway, neither Seymour nor Warfe were ever key defenders - Seymour plays in a pocket and Warfe on the back flank.

While I would be as sad as anyone to see Heath James go, it really doesn't matter how much he loves the game if he is going to get injured every time he goes out to play. I said I admired his courage in continually fighting to come back, but how long can he be carried on the list?

Obst will probably need to go because he can no longer be retained on the rookie list, and must be either promoted or delisted. He has been fairly decent at Port Melbourne but has never looked to be a player capable of becoming a senior regular (and by 23, a player needs to be showing some good signs). Anyway, if he is to be promoted, then somebody will need to be traded or delisted from the senior list - and then you would get upset, since it would almost certainly be James and/or Warfe.

As for Nicks and Bolton, I have already made my reasoning quite clear.

Before criticising my ideas as "stupid" and the like, try reading what you wrote. Not only are you incapable of offering any alternative ideas, you cannot even put together a sentence.

redi/whitei
19 Sep 2002, 20:41
You make some good points Donners. It wasn't nice to see Fitzy go. I live in Adelaide and have seen what he can do in the local league here. Malcom Blight wasn't happy that we drafted him and the Crows missed out. I still think Seymour and Warfe are safe (because of retirements). Expect Bennent to stay on the senior list but the rest of the rookies to go.

BSA
20 Sep 2002, 22:35
I'm not sure if the club can in all honesty, keep both Warfe and Seymour on the list next season.

Similar players, at similar points in their careers, and working through smilar problems as well.

Captaincy - Jared Crouch won't have much to say out on the field but he will lead by example, and that seems to be the way we like our captains at this club. So perhaps the a quiet achiever type player like Crouch is worth serious consideration.

O'Loughlin strikes he as a Nathan Buckley type captain - that is constantly haranguing his teamates and creating alot of negative vibes out there.

Recruiting priority - Can't agree with what others are saying about key defenders. We have plenty of young and middle-career players across the backlines in the Swans and I really don't think we should be looking at more of these guys. Give youngsters such as the very promising Roberts-Thompson a chance to come on. Somewhere in this current group is the next Dunkley, I can assure you.

Ball winning midfielders with good disposal is what we need. Kel is gone, so is Schwass, Cresswell can' t quite do it like he used to and the younger ones like Bolton just haven't stepped up, Fosdike shows glimpses, but they are still only glimpses, and Fozzy is better running througth the lines anyway.

We need ball winning ability around the packs. The old midfield is gone and I'm worried about whats in the cupboard by way of replacements

cheers

Donners
23 Sep 2002, 17:13
Jared Crouch is an interesting one - he always works hard and seems to be totally unaffected by injury, so at least you'd know he'd be out there each week. My only concern (perhaps besides a lack of experience) is that he is primarily a negative, tagging player rather than one who can inspire the other players by leading from the front. When I think of Kelly, I think of hard tackles, high-flying marks and running goals, but Crouch isn't really known for anything like that. Even Dunkley, who captained the side for a few games, brought down some big marks and threw his weight around. I just can't see Crouch doing anything of the sort.

Donners
5 Oct 2002, 11:02
Sad news, I'm afraid - Heath James has been delisted as expected. To quote from the Sydney Morning Herald, 4/10/02:

The Swans will delist injury plagued defender Heath James.

The talented 22 year-old was seen as a potential successor to full-back Dunkley after he made an encouraging debut in 1998. But he was restricted to just five games in as many seasons by chronic hamstring injuries, and then suffered a major knee injury this year.

"I told Heath yesterday what we would be doing," Roos said. "But he's still young enough, potentially, to be on the rookie list and there still might be some way of keeping him involved."

With five retirements and James delisted, the Swans are unlikely to cut deeply into their list, despite last season's disappointing performance.

Already they have the space to take five picks from what is generally considered a mediocre national draft.

Sydney will have room on their rookie list with Obst, Bennett and O'Loughlin no longer eligible, but such a talented player will probably go pretty high in the rookie draft. Still, it would be pretty ironic to see Heath James go *on* to the list due to an injury. :)