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Adrian Barich just said on 6PR that these two will not play this week. Club has ruled them out for breaking a drinking curfew. Be interesting to see when it was because both were out injured last week. If this is the case then very undisciplined. Hardly key players but at a time when injuries are starting to stretch the list this is very disappointing.
GO EAGLES!
bunsen burner
4 Sep 2002, 18:30
Any player who wants success bad enough doesn't break curfews before a final. They obviously aren't that desperate to play in their first AFL final.
Better off without them. I also have to question Fletcher's committment in away games this year.
I'll wait to see what news develops before I react to Barrich's ramblings this time.
Barich is right. It was the Friday night before the WCE v North game. Fletcher will be playing for Subi on the weekend.
Well although its good to see Woosha playing the hard taskmaster I think Fletcher should have been selected if he was alright physically. Perhaps just a strong reprimend would have done the trick
Real pity...you wouldnt find young kids like Kerr or Judd drinking this week, Cousins wouldnt and even vets like Jako and Matera know better. If you want to play in the finals....follow the rules.
Annoyed about Fletcher as he would have been handy through the midfield.
larrikin
5 Sep 2002, 03:03
Originally posted by jod23
Real pity...you wouldnt find young kids like Kerr or Judd drinking this week, Cousins wouldnt and even vets like Jako and Matera know better. If you want to play in the finals....follow the rules.
Annoyed about Fletcher as he would have been handy through the midfield.
While I think it's true that Cuz and co would'nt be silly enough to break a team rule (although from what we're hearing the actions of Carroll and Fletcher weren't too serious) it would be interesting to see what would happen if they did.
Imagine it was Gardy and Cuz who had gone out and had a beer for Cuz's birthday had they both been injured. Do you think they would miss a week too??????
(Please note I am not saying that I definitely think the club would act differently for the star players, but considering the magnitude of the game this week it is an interesting point to ponder)
Originally posted by larrikin
While I think it's true that Cuz and co would'nt be silly enough to break a team rule (although from what we're hearing the actions of Carroll and Fletcher weren't too serious) it would be interesting to see what would happen if they did.
Imagine it was Gardy and Cuz who had gone out and had a beer for Cuz's birthday had they both been injured. Do you think they would miss a week too??????
(Please note I am not saying that I definitely think the club would act differently for the star players, but considering the magnitude of the game this week it is an interesting point to ponder)
I too had thought about this. Even though i know Gardy and Cuz wouldnt be that stupid given the enormity of this weeks game but hypothetically if that happpened i doubt we would bar them from selection.
I think they would get a slap on the wrist and perhaps made to miss round 1 next season or something like that but there is no way you would rule out your two best players in such a big game. However then the club would be setting a double standard? Lets just be glad that it wasnt Cuz and Gardy.
Hmm, from what I've heard, it wasn't exactly crime of the century, but nevertheless, I think the club did the right thing by coming down hard on them- being lax about this sort of thing is what leads to a culture like st kildas, and that can't help but affect the on field performance.
The way I see it, Fletcher and Carroll were both bloody stupid to break a clear cut club rule, and they are being punished in one of the harshest ways possible, by missing their first chance to play finals footy- if you docked them 25k each, it would probably still be less of a punishment.
I sincerely hope for their sakes that we squeak by Essendon this week- if we do, rest assured that Fletch and Carroll are going to be breathing fire on the training track next week.
Good news for Humm....with Fletcher not available to come back into the side, he may just save his spot.
larrikin
5 Sep 2002, 04:05
Originally posted by Mead
Hmm, from what I've heard, it wasn't exactly crime of the century, but nevertheless, I think the club did the right thing by coming down hard on them- being lax about this sort of thing is what leads to a culture like st kildas, and that can't help but affect the on field performance.
The way I see it, Fletcher and Carroll were both bloody stupid to break a clear cut club rule, and they are being punished in one of the harshest ways possible, by missing their first chance to play finals footy- if you docked them 25k each, it would probably still be less of a punishment.
I sincerely hope for their sakes that we squeak by Essendon this week- if we do, rest assured that Fletch and Carroll are going to be breathing fire on the training track next week.
If nothing else it has certainly set an example to the rest of the squad that Woosha and co are black and white on team rules. I really think this is a positive for the club, and in the long run will benefit them.
Eagle_Fan
5 Sep 2002, 04:06
Would either of them have played anyway? Or is this a way to be seen to be disciplined without actually hurting our chances?
larrikin
5 Sep 2002, 04:08
Originally posted by Eagle_Fan
Would either of them have played anyway? Or is this a way to be seen to be disciplined without actually hurting our chances?
Fletcher was supposed to have been back, and is due to play for Subi this week now. He would have walked into the side and would have been a huge help against Essendon's midfield.
I think the club is being pretty genuine.
Originally posted by Eagle_Fan
Would either of them have played anyway? Or is this a way to be seen to be disciplined without actually hurting our chances?
Fletcher seemed to be moving pretty well at training and no doubt he would have come into the side. Dont know about Carroll?
Eagle_Fan
5 Sep 2002, 04:13
Originally posted by larrikin
Fletcher was supposed to have been back, and is due to play for Subi this week now. He would have walked into the side and would have been a huge help against Essendon's midfield.
I think the club is being pretty genuine.
Good. :)
(Was a genuine question btw... Missed the news and everything, and wasn't too sure how Fletch's injury was. Ta)
larrikin
5 Sep 2002, 04:16
Originally posted by Eagle_Fan
Good. :)
(Was a genuine question btw... Missed the news and everything, and wasn't too sure how Fletch's injury was. Ta)
It was the first thing I thought too - It's pretty easy to suspend injured players - good to hear the club is actually putting their principles before the result even in a big week.
What I found dissappointing was the fact that someone from the public who saw them having one beer each, ran up the club to dob them in. I mean, what type of people are there?
If there is one type of person that I genuinely hate, its the DIB-DOBBER under no pressure to dob someone.
If you think that Cuz or Gardy wouldn't be reprimanded, then think about Wirra last week.......how come his feet aren't sore this week????? I think he may have been left out because of a team discipline, not for foot soreness!!!!
Oh Brauny, you're such a stirrer.
Originally posted by MDB
If you think that Cuz or Gardy wouldn't be reprimanded, then think about Wirra last week.......how come his feet aren't sore this week????? I think he may have been left out because of a team discipline, not for foot soreness!!!!
From the reports on TV, Sampi and Wirra missed a team meeting last week resulting in Sampi being dropped. Wirra would have been dropped if he had been fit to play.
Thrawn666
5 Sep 2002, 12:41
Originally posted by Visro
From the reports on TV, Sampi and Wirra missed a team meeting last week resulting in Sampi being dropped. Wirra would have been dropped if he had been fit to play.
The same report said that Gardiner and Haynes had both also been dropped for breaking team drinking rules this year too.
GoEagles
5 Sep 2002, 13:30
Originally posted by Visro
What I found dissappointing was the fact that someone from the public who saw them having one beer each, ran up the club to dob them in. I mean, what type of people are there?
If there is one type of person that I genuinely hate, its the DIB-DOBBER under no pressure to dob someone.
Totally agree. The dobber was on 6PR :rolleyes: yesterday and said "I don't followfootball, but I couldn't help but report it"
What a moron - sticking his nose into other peoples affairs.
My thoughts exactly. What sort of person would feel they had to "report" it to the club. And if this person doesn't "follow footy" as he claims, (1) how would he know who they were - and (2) why would he think the club would be interested if he didn't know there was a no drinking rule for injured players. Something fishy I think!
pretty low
dare i say unaustralian?
Yeah Id kill the bastard if I ever find who it was!!!!!!
Mr Eagle
5 Sep 2002, 18:42
Originally posted by GoEagles
The dobber was on 6PR :rolleyes: yesterday and said "I don't follow football"
Oh so it definitely was a Freo fan? :D
(I mean who else would know what Trent Carroll looks like?)
I know it does all sound quite trivial, but these guys are paid big money to do a job and abide by any rules or contracts they accept as part of their employment. Personally, I don't think it could have been just one drink, maybe it was a couple or a few - who knows? The fact that they were dobbed in is irrelevant - they broke the rules. It's been said that it was prior to the North game, when they knew they weren't playing that particular week, maybe they felt there was no way the team would be getting any further, the season was over, so it wouldn't matter? Not the way to look at it imo.
Originally posted by WA
I know it does all sound quite trivial, but these guys are paid big money to do a job and abide by any rules or contracts they accept as part of their employment. Personally, I don't think it could have been just one drink, maybe it was a couple or a few - who knows? The fact that they were dobbed in is irrelevant - they broke the rules. It's been said that it was prior to the North game, when they knew they weren't playing that particular week, maybe they felt there was no way the team would be getting any further, the season was over, so it wouldn't matter? Not the way to look at it imo.
agree!
I reckon the dobber is that wascally mister Braun. Just wanted to maximise his chances of getting picked, methinks
Originally posted by GoEagles
Totally agree. The dobber was on 6PR :rolleyes: yesterday and said "I don't followfootball, but I couldn't help but report it"
What a moron - sticking his nose into other peoples affairs.
Dont follow football?? Yeah right. Carroll and Fletch arent Jako and Cuz...fair enough anybody would probably recognise Cousins whether you followed footy or not. But if your not a footy fan i doubt you would recognise those two players. I suspect a bitter Dockers fan.
Voice of Reason
6 Sep 2002, 12:21
I don't agree with the cynicism about the punishment expressed by some people because of the following evidence:
1. Gardiner was dropped pre-season for breaking club rules
2. Sumich has specifically said in the West today that the rules are the same for everybody and the captain would have been dropped if he had done something so stupid
3. I think Fletcher would have been picked this week (if fit)
Woosha and the match committee are just setting the disciplined foundations for a successful team over the next few years. If a professional footballer can't resist temptation in these circumstances, then I question their professionalism.
As for the dobber - tosser.
Originally posted by GoEagles
Totally agree. The dobber was on 6PR :rolleyes: yesterday and said "I don't followfootball, but I couldn't help but report it"
What a moron - sticking his nose into other peoples affairs.
A moron indeed. Some people say the 'person' is a Dockers supporter, but it could also be a Bomber! The fact that some guy (or was it a girl?) tried to be a smartarse and dob those 2 in gives me the sh*ts as i myself also don't like the dobber, rule breaking or not. I spose you can say it's one of those unwritten rules to not dob, kinda like back in school where it was a cardinal sin to do so.
Don't follow footy my arse. No offence to Fletch and christmas carol, but they aren't well-known names like Cousins and Peter Matera. My mum doesn't follow footy, but she recognises the faces of Cousins and Peter Matera on tv and other players too. Therefore this person is talking out of his (or her) arse and is just plain spiteful.
Let's say i saw them drinking before the game against us, i couldn't give a stuff. In fact if the circumstances allow, i would be happy to go and chat with them about the upcoming match. I bet Carroll and Fletcher would like to get their hands on this person, coz i would.
Originally posted by myee8
The fact that some guy (or was it a girl?) tried to be a smartarse and dob those 2 in gives me the sh*ts as i myself also don't like the dobber, rule breaking or not.
Suzi come on down ...........
OK OK I can't hide it anymore it was me, I also said Cousins & Gardiner were drinking too, but seems they didn't believe me about them, Damn.:D
Uncle Tony
6 Sep 2002, 18:02
Originally posted by GoEagles
Totally agree. The dobber was on 6PR :rolleyes: yesterday and said "I don't followfootball, but I couldn't help but report it"
What a moron - sticking his nose into other peoples affairs.
It just doesn't make sense:confused:
If you didn't follow football, and you saw 3 guys having a beer etc at the pub, how would you know who they were, who they played for (unless they were in club uniform), or what the team rule is in the first place (I didn't know it)?
Could the guys have been up to a little more than has been let on? Did the dobber have inside knowledge? Why of all places did they go to the Subi in the first place (I know if I was about to break a club rule like that it wouldn't have been at the pub closest to work) - silly?
GoEagles, did the dobber say why he/she reported them in the first place appart from seeing them have a drink?
I wouldn't want to accuse the guys of anything more than being caught out but for someone non footy person to dob them in to the club it would be very odd to do that if they were minding their own business etc.
I don't get it.
nearlyblonde
6 Sep 2002, 19:21
I guess that the rules are rules thing is fine, but what would have happened if it had been Benny and Gardiner?
Does anyone really believe that the same actions would have been taken?
maybe the dobber was the sergeant at the local lockup.
GoEagles
6 Sep 2002, 20:09
Originally posted by Uncle Tony
GoEagles, did the dobber say why he/she reported them in the first place appart from seeing them have a drink?
It was a he, maybe mantis's twin brother? Anyway he didn't say why he told the club, although he did say that if they only had 1-2 drinks as reported in the West Australian, they had slow metabolism as they seemed 'very merry'.
Maybe he was a natural born dobber - he gets a thrill of tattling on others :rolleyes:
There was an article in today's Weekend Australian over here about the dobbing in issue written by John McGrath. Here's some of what was mentioned:
McGrath talks about people who like to dob in a footballer just for the hell of it and coz they high profile. Apparently it's the same all around the AFL as clubs get calls all the time about wot their players are up to, with dobbers in WA are apparently among the best as the Eagles get regular phone calls.
In regards to the Fletcher, Carroll and Embley incident, all they had was a beer and a glass of wine. However, knowing what w@nkers the media can be, it has been reported as a drinking binge and being 'full as lawyers wallets'. The Eagles don't believe either was the case but action had to be taken coz team rules were broken. They were recovering from injury, came up with the rules themselves and were aware of it, so they do have ot cop it on the chin.
It opens up a can of worms, begging the question of what happens if it's a high profile player, would the same penalty apply? Where does all this kind of stuff end and why don't these people get a life and stop being do-gooders? Additionally,wot if opposition clubs made anonymous calls?
Apparently not every gets on the phone. After Ports win against the Eagles at Subi in round 21, a colleague saw about 4-5 Port players at Burswood Casino after 2am. He didn't know about Ports rules regarding curfew, drinking or gambling and he didn't care. They weren't annoying anyone and that person left it at that, so why can't people be like that? As history shows, Port went on to beat the reigning premiers in the next round to go top of the ladder.
Just thought those who are in the eastern states who don't get The Saturday West Australian wanted to read this :).
theBlueCardinal
9 Sep 2002, 00:41
it was a very stupid thing to do regardless of how much was drunk considering a finals game was just around the corner.
I am a fan of Carroll but hearing this (even if it was only 1 glass of wine) has now made me question why? Why did he spoil probably his only "maybe" chance of playing in an AFL final. Why did he ruin his good performances in his last 3 AFL games by doing this and now maybe bringing into question his spot in the squad for next year?
Anyway, the dobber is a joke.