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Merv

20 Jul 2008, 19:50

Top 50 possibles, not in order, supplied by foj1.

1. Jack Watts 194cm 85kg Vic Metro

Watts had an exceptional carnival and because of his basketball background and being bottom aged is seen as having a big upside which recruiters love. Watts has reliable hands and moves quickly both on the lead and with sideways movement. Looks like he could be a very potent chf/ff which makes him a very attractive proposition.

2. Nick Natanui 197cm 85kg WA

Spring heeled ruckman who is an athletic freak. Covers the ground amazing well, works hard to achieve 1%s such as tackling, shepherd and blocks and has a heap of upside to him. His kicking has been well documented and will need further attention. I also think he could benefit from learning to be more dangerous when in the ruck and try and be more of an offensive presence on the ground.

3. Daniel Rich 183cm 83kg WA

Midfielder with a deadly left foot. Is equally dangerous both inside and outside and displays a good midfielders motor. Not express pace but not one paced either. Rich reminds me of a slightly quicker Paul Haselby with Luke Hodge’s left foot. Rich will step straight into senior footy and looks to be a 200 game player.

4. Jack Ziebell 188cm 84kg Vic Country

Ziebell is a power athlete who is very well suited to the next level. Ziebell can play as a strong marking 3rd tall as well as run through the midfield. He possesses great acceleration and is hard at the contest. He also has strong hands in marking contests and is a penetrating kick. I see Ziebell as utility type in the AFL who can play as a tall to create mismatches but also take his turn in the midfield.

5. Jordan Roughead 199cm 87kg Vic Country

Roughead has improved markedly in the last year and is another player with a basketball background. Used predominantly in the ruck where he showcases his athleticism in ruck contests and around the ground. Rougheads hands continue to improve and is a dangerous player in the forward line. Roughead has wide shoulders and will develop into an imposing athlete after a few AFL preseasons.

6. Michael Hurley 192cm 92kg Vic Metro

Hurly is a very reliable footballer who has been used primarily in the back half but has a few bags of goals to his credit in TAC footy. Hurley is tall enough and physically mature to hold down a key position in AFL. A slight query for me is his pace off the mark which will make his testing interesting. What I really like about Hurley is his competitiveness- he hates to lose a contest which is reminiscent of Nathan Brown when he was with the Rebels. Worse case with this bloke is getting Simon Prestigiacomo while he could be quite a bit more than that.

7. Jackson Trengove 196cm 77kg Vic Metro

Trengove suffered a season ending injury at Metro training ripping his hamstring off the bone. I still rate him extremely highly as a good punter always looks at past form! Trengove was dominant last year as a bottom ager who took all comers including Kruezer, McEvoy, Lobbe, Simpson and McKenna to the cleaners playing in the back half or in the ruck. Trengove has a superb leap and hates to lose a contest. He also has a lot of upside due to his physical immaturity, lack of TAC footy (plays at PEGS) and missing most of this year. Should develop into a rangy CHB who can also be a mobile ruckman.

8. Lewis Johnston 192cm 87kg SA

Mobile key position type who has the skills to run through the midfield. Reminds me a little of Chad Cornes in the sense that he has the skills of a key position player with the athletic attributes of someone who could run through the midfield. Will need to work on the defensive side of his game and his discipline will be put under the microscope by scouts around the league but has a heap of talent and is the right AFL size.

9. Tyrone Vickery 200cm 86kg Vic Metro

Athletic tall who is continuing to improve at a very pleasing rate. Moves well across the ground and is getting stronger hands seemingly each time he plays. Vickery has put on a bit of muscle this year but still has a significant amount of size to acquire. Vickery is a very good lead for a player of his size and attacks the footy with much greater vigour this year as his strength improves.

10. Ayce Cordy 202cm 77kg Vic Country

Ayce is a very exciting athlete who is built like a lollypop. Another lightweight tall who has an outstanding vertical leap and good set of hands. Will need several AFL preseasons but looms as a definite F/S selection for the Bulldogs who will lick their lips at gaining this young bloke on their list.

11. Hamish Hartlett 182cm 74kg SA

Hard working ball magnet who has already played quite a bit of senior footy this year. Received a lot of close attention during nationals which he seemed to find frustrating. Hartlett is an inside midfielder who wins his own football and is very good with his hands. Others may rate him higher but he doesn’t quite have the X factor for me. Saying that this bloke will be a very good AFL player who will be a very solid citizen in the mould of Matthew Boyd.

12. Shaun McKernan 196cm 95kg Vic Metro

Another super athletic tall who has the skill set to be a very good AFL tall. Is a very good tap ruckman and dangerous presence in the forward line. Has a very good leap though found it hard to counter Natanui- what was pleasing was his willingness to jump into Natanui to upset his ruckwork. McKernan can dominate periods of a game which was particulary evident against the Falcons last year when he booted 4 goals in a quarter as a bottom age player.

13. Chris Yarran 180cm 84kg WA

Exciting midfielder/ small forward who others will rate much higher. (as I have done earlier) Yarran is a superb kick and a one touch player. Yarran is also extremely dangerous around goals. I am concerned about Yarrans bodyshape and his capacity to match athleticism in the AFL. This bloke could be a Didak or Cyril Rioli type but he could also be Ashley Sampi which I think may worry some clubs.

14. Aaron Cornelius 192cm 84kg TAS

Very clever forward who is agile and has a good set of hands. Cornelius is very good on the lead and can also fly for the big pack mark. Cornelius has had the advantage of playing senior footy for over a year now which has toughened him up and helped him on the defensive side of his game. A very exciting prospect.

15. Matthew Broadbent 189cm 81kg SA

Athletic tall midfielder/utility with a good tank and very clean hand and foot skills. Could play flanks, wings and through the middle at AFL level. Is able to win own ball and can also be a link up player. May not be rated quite so high by others but I think he does all things pretty well and is the right size and shape.

16. Mitch Robinson 188cm 87kg TAS

Super athletic with a very penetrating right foot. I originally didn’t rate this guy so high but his carnival has propelled him way up the charts. I am much more happy with the way he attacks the footy now as I thought he was a little outside waiting to use his strong foot skills. Robinson has a good burst of speed and looks like he will have an AFL tank with more development.

17. Nick Heyne 187cm 79kg Vic Country

Another tallish athletic type who is a very good runner, amasses a high amount of possessions and will be very versatile at the next level. I think he doesn’t always hurt the opposition as much as he could with his disposals and perhaps not quite as classy as Broadbent and Robinson but a high quality athlete who gets a lot of footy both inside and out.

18. Matthew Deboer 187cm 85kg WA

Solidly built son of a gun who attacks contests hard and gets a fair amount of footy. Chose to not nominate for last years draft though it wont hurt him like it did Arrowsmith. Deboer has a good tank though I haven’t seen him use express pace which will make his testing results interesting reading. Reputedly very solid citizen off the ground and possesses genuine leadership qualities.

19.Sam Blease 183cm 72kg Vic Metro

Bottom age midfielder who possesses explosive acceleration and a nice right foot. He was terrific during the U/16 championships and was not out of place at this years championships against older and stronger bodies. Will physically develop further with time and is one who may creep higher in the pecking order after draft camp.

20. Steele Sidebottom 182cm 79kg Vic Country

Bottom player who was born to play football. Has a very developed football brain which allows him to make great choices with the footy and attacks each contest with zeal. My query on young Steele is his level of athleticism and I have found that some of the best games I have seen from him are more at half forward rather than as a genuine midfielder.

21. Michael Walters 177cm 75kg

Very talented little man with a nice burst of speed and A1 disposal. Is able to win his own ball and also dangerous around the big sticks. Very hard to guess where this bloke will go come November but has a ton of talent and is very exciting.

22. Daniel Murray 200cm 86kg WA

Athletic big man who has been living in Natanui’s shadow. Murray has good size and a nice leap in the centre square. He moves to the right places as a ruckman and is beginning to hold his marks. I may well have rated him higher than he deserves but he looks to have the right stuff to develop into a very good big man.

23. Jordan Lisle 196cm 87kg Vic Metro

Yet another big man with a lot of upside. Very athletic and strong in the air. I see him developing into a key position player most likely in the back half. I am interested to see how he tests for agility as I have noticed a few times now that he has quite a wide turning circle and leads predominantly in straight lines. Reminds me a little of Drew Petrie at a similar age.

24. Tom Lynch 191cm 84kg Vic Metro

Deceptively tall midfielder/ utility who has been a hampered by a knee injury last year. Lynch possesses footy smarts and reads the play exceptionally well. I see Lynch developing into a link player in the mould of Sam Fisher but when he was fully fit last year he played some very good games in the TAC on the ball early in the season.

25. Stephen Hill 182cm 72kg WA

Another WA midfielder who can run, use the footy and run through the lines. Hill had a prolific carnival and probably boosted his stocks along the way. Hill will fit nicely into an AFL midfield rotation once he builds his body more.

26. Tom Swift 190cm 84kg WA

A tall utility/ midfielder who suffered an injury setback last year and looks to be just treading water a little at the moment which is understandable. Had a great U/16 year and recruiters wont forget that. His draft position will be dictated by how his second half of the year pans out.

27. Michael Still 192cm 81kg Northern Knights

Bottom age tall who has more than a touch of class. Has very good hands and is athletic. Has a bigger upside than most and is one who’s stocks may rise as the TAC season continues.

28. Luke Stanton 191cm 83kg Vic Metro

Tall utility type who I think is starting to know his game a lot better now. I much prefer to see Stanton play as a running player and feel that he struggles when required to play as a key position player. Stanton’s kicking and ability to get the footy has improved and I see him as developing into a Jason Blake type of player.

29. Clancee Pearce 183cm 85kg WA

Bull at a gate utility who runs in fast straight lines when the footy is in dispute and likes to break lines from half back. A query with Pearce may be his ability to rotate through the midfield however players like Brett Jones and Henry Slattery have made solid careers at half back.

30. Nick Suban 179cm 82kg Vic Country

Tough as old shoes solid onballer/ utility. Had a very good championship last year and was serviceable again this year. I don’t see that much upside to Suban however you know what you are getting with him. A tough uncompromising footballer who will be ready to go at AFL level. Hard to categorise where and if Suban will go come November as there are always players like Banner, German, Hughes, Sloane and Zaharakis competing for limited spaces as well as a tonne of little blokes in the VFL like Andrew Horne who are equally as good.

31. Christopher Hall 179cm 65kg SA

Built more like Lleyton Hewitt than an AFL footballer however he possesses great speed and has played SANFL this year. Possesses nice disposal and makes good decisions with the footy. Will need to bulk up significantly but clubs are always looking for speed and this kid has it.

32. Liam Shiels 183cm 78kg Vic Metro

Bottom aged prolific ball winner who just keeps on getting the footy. Had a very impressive U/16 carnival and should develop into an able AFL midfielder. Isnt super fast but has a good tank which should continue to develop. Is able to play both inside and outside the contest.

33. Will Young 192cm 83kg Vic Country

Tallish athletic utility who attacks the footy with a bit of dash. Has an AFL type body size and relishes the contest. May not have enough pizzazz for AFL recruiters but he reminds me of Stephen Gilham at a similar age and I like blokes at Young’s size who are competitive in the air and on the ground.

34. Jarrad Redden 202cm 88kg SA

Developing tall who moves around the ground well. Plays a kick behind the play well and is beginning to take his marks. I would like him to go forward and be dangerous which Vickery, McKernan and Natanui are more capable of doing this at this stage. In a draft full of good talls it will be interesting where Redden ends up.

35. Jake Walsh 196cm 96kg Vic Metro

Bottom age powerhouse who is capable of taking a very strong mark. Will need to work on being more agile and being cleaner below his knees however you cant teach his size. Will need to refine his body to ensure that he doesn’t get too big but could be a hard to handle key forward at AFL level. Unfortunately he could also be Ryan Willits who just couldn’t acquire the athleticism to make it.

36. Taylor Hunt 183cm 79kg Vic Metro

Powerful utility type who is a strong customer. Penetrating kick who has an athletics background before commiting himself to his footy. Able to play through the midfield but I see him more as a half back in the mould of Mark Chaffey. A bit more development in this kid I think.

37. Andrew Browne 202cm 106kg Vic Country

Huge lump of a lad who has made significant improvement this year as he isn’t rucking behind Dawson Simpson. Has added bulk to his frame and is certainly no pushover. Struggles against super athletic ruckman and needs to use his size more in contests. Kicking is a bit iffy but is a competitor. Like Redden he is against some high quality talls this year.

38. Daniel Hanneberry 182cm 75cm Vic Metro

Silky skilled mover who plays predominantly wing/ midfield. Reads the play well and is adept at getting a stack of the footy. Hanneberry is bottom aged and will get stronger and continue to build his tank. Also has had limited exposure to TAC footy due to Private school footy. Will be interesting to see if he nominates for the draft.

39. Aaron Purves 187cm 82kg Vic Metro

Purves is a hard player to get a handle on. He can do the freakish and then put in an ordinary effort on the footy field. However, when on Purves is a tallish utility who can make things happen. He is dangerous forward and can take his turn through the middle. He always looks like he is coasting to me but they may be his laconic nature. His testing results will be very important to his draft chances but he has a lot of natural talent.

40. Sam Wright 188cm 76kg Vic Country

Tallish flanker type who can do the freakish on the footy field. Looks a little like Dale Thomas and looks to have based some of his game on him however he needs to be far more consistent with his footy. Steve Johnson and Dale Thomas have shown there is a place for the flashy half forward and Wright may have the tools to get to the big show.

41. David Zaharakis 180cm 73kg Vic Metro

Speedy player who many including yours truly felt might have been taken late in last year’s draft as a bottom ager. Has been renowned for his speed but questioned about his kicking and ball handling. This year he has taken his game to a higher level having several standout games. Top quality individual who would give himself every opportunity at the next level.

42. James Klause 195cm 89kg WA

Strong hard at it unit who goes about his work with a minimum of fuss. Has AFL quality size- the question will be how does his athleticism stack up. I have seen him burnt on the lead too often yet I have also seen him be more than competitive in one on one situations.

43. Luke Shuey 185cm 84kg Vic Metro

Shuey has an AFL build to be a ground and pound midfielder. Shuey can certainly get the ball and takes his turn to put the head over the ball. Shuey’s kicking can be a bit hit and miss which will concern scouts and you would like to see Shuey run through the lines a bit more often. I think Shuey has a bit of upside as he is another player who has played Private school footy which I feel stifles your development a little unless you are a superstar in the Judd/ Ball class.

44. Johnny Rayner 184cm 66kg Western Jets

A left field bottom aged selection however a bit of method in my madness. Rayner had a string of 3/4 games which were very promising before a back injury has put him on the shelf for possibly the rest of the season. Rayner is a national quality 400m to 3km runner and this is a fair qualification to have on your resume in today’s football. Rayner obviously needs to bulk up considerably but he might be one of those selections that pay handsome dividends into the future.

45. Neville Jetta 178cm 75kg WA

Excitement machine who can kick goals, run quickly and do the exciting. Clubs looking for an exciting small forward will look at Jetta. The big question is whether Jetta can do the business in the midfield. The jury is out right now but he has the 2nd half of the season to show his wares.

46. Charlie Sharples 180cm 74kg NT

19 year old who has been playing in the SANFL. Always known for possessing a lot of natural talent, Sharples is beginning to turn potential into results. I still think he needs to work harder on his defensive game but talent and improvement might get him over the line this year.

47. Zachary Clarke 203cm 77kg Vic Metro

Very tall, very light beanpole. Clarke is a long way off being competitive in the AFL however the rewards could be significant if he comes on. There is a touch of Robert Warnock about Clarke and clubs are simply much more patient with big blokes. A club like Brisbane who have Charman, Lueuenberger and Mitch Clark is the perfect club for this project.

48. Tom Rockliff 183cm 83kg Vic Country

Rockliff is a dangerous small forward who is very clever and unusually good in the air for his size. The rejuvenation of Paul Medhurst may have helped young Tom’s cause as there is a place in the AFL. However like Robbie Gray, Rockliff’s athleticism is a big query and held him from being picked up last year. Had a few attempts at running through the midfield during the Nationals and wasn’t convincing for mine. Will he be the next Dean Kelly or will someone take a chance?

49. Patrick Hayes 190cm 80kg Calder

Extremely quick and athletic former representative hockey player. A few clubs had more than a nibble at him last year and his rate of improvement this year has been pleasing and has the scope to improve significantly more. The queries on Hayes are his kicking which has improved as the season has progressed and his decision making which is a little scratchy. However, Hayes shows speed from half back which doesn’t break lines it destroys them. A touch of Tadgh Kennelly about him.Been a rare exciting rookie for Calder.

50. Luke McDonald 195cm 84kg Vic Metro

McDonald has a very strong pair of hands. Marking is his forte right now however McDonald needs to continue to work on his allround game. In a draft full of promising talls he may come up short however he reminds me a little of Scott Simpson from last year and clubs might see that this big guy could develop into a potent key position player.

kelvin_sheedy

20 Jul 2008, 20:12

A ruckman or KPP defender with our first pick is a must. Trengove, Vickery, Roughead all sound good. Not sold on Hurley due to pace queries. Not a lot of room in the AFL for slow defenders. Will like to see his draft camp results.

I've seen enough to suggest our midfield will be ok for the next 5 years so I'd go:

1. Ruck or KPP
2. Best available
3. Mid if 2 is a Ruck or KPP
4. Mid
5. Mid

We need 4 ruckman on our list and at least one more KPP player considering Johns/Lee are gone and Mal/Fletch are close to the end.

Colin D'Cops

20 Jul 2008, 20:15

Ludwig van Bertstare

20 Jul 2008, 20:19

My choices are...

1. Daniel Rich
2. Michael Hurley
3. Hamish hartlett

Obviously we won't get Rich though.

Ben the Gooner

20 Jul 2008, 20:58

Barts

20 Jul 2008, 21:07

bomba4eva

20 Jul 2008, 21:10

We will probably end up with pick 6. Players that may be available at this pick which we should seriously consider are the likes of Hartlett, Ziebell, or Hurley. Would be rapt with any of them. Hurley is my first preference at this stage. Plenty of time for positions and opinions to change. Draft Camp will be key.

saladin

21 Jul 2008, 11:11

A ruckman or KPP defender with our first pick is a must. Trengove, Vickery, Roughead all sound good. Not sold on Hurley due to pace queries. Not a lot of room in the AFL for slow defenders. Will like to see his draft camp results.

the "pace" queries on Hurley have suddenly appeared. almost like one person has decided to mention it, and now everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon. bottom line, this kid hasn't had many goals kicked on him in ywo consecutive carnivals. he can't be too bad.

and considering courtney johns is one of the quickest players over 20 meters on our list, surely we've all learnt that being able to read the play and know how to position yourself is much more important than outright speed?

Merv

21 Jul 2008, 11:31

the "pace" queries on Hurley have suddenly appeared. almost like one person has decided to mention it, and now everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon. bottom line, this kid hasn't had many goals kicked on him in ywo consecutive carnivals. he can't be too bad.

and considering courtney johns is one of the quickest players over 20 meters on our list, surely we've all learnt that being able to read the play and know how to position yourself is much more important than outright speed?

That is true but you also need to consider that we aren't looking to draft a player to play juniors but a player to play at the elite level.

It isn't only the pace issue that has been raised on Hurley but also his lateral movement but i haven't seen enough of him to make a judgment as to whether this is valid or not.

You are absolutely spot on about reading the play and this is one of the areas he specializes in.
He has many many outstanding sides to his game and he is exactly what we need so i would have no issues at all if we draft him and at the very worst he would end up being a top CHB but we need a FB.

Unfortunately i doubt we will get him as i think we will win too many games and will end up ahead of carlton, possibly Richmond and maybe even Adelaide.

He reminds me of an old fashioned defender and would be a a real bonus for us if we could nab him and he looks like he would be ready to go next year.

Fingers crossed.

ant555

21 Jul 2008, 13:03

That is true but you also need to consider that we aren't looking to draft a player to play juniors but a player to play at the elite level.

It isn't only the pace issue that has been raised on Hurley but also his lateral movement but i haven't seen enough of him to make a judgment as to whether this is valid or not.

You are absolutely spot on about reading the play and this is one of the areas he specializes in.
He has many many outstanding sides to his game and he is exactly what we need so i would have no issues at all if we draft him and at the very worst he would end up being a top CHB but we need a FB.

Unfortunately i doubt we will get him as i think we will win too many games and will end up ahead of carlton, possibly Richmond and maybe even Adelaide.

He reminds me of an old fashioned defender and would be a a real bonus for us if we could nab him and he looks like he would be ready to go next year.

Fingers crossed.

Do we actually play with specific defenders anymore ? Lets face it just about all the key forwards are now playing up the ground at various stages of games so it is not like you end up with someone who specificly plays full back in the true sense of the position. I think Ryder will actually be our Full Back. He is the guy who has the most mobility and the best leap/defensive skills.

Merv

21 Jul 2008, 13:31

Do we actually play with specific defenders anymore ? Lets face it just about all the key forwards are now playing up the ground at various stages of games so it is not like you end up with someone who specificly plays full back in the true sense of the position. I think Ryder will actually be our Full Back. He is the guy who has the most mobility and the best leap/defensive skills.

Very good point about specific defenders.

Thing is IF you had a specific FB that was slow, the opposition would play the FF at home so as to expose your FB.

I agree Ryder has the best athletic talent to play FB, but i think that they want him to become more involved in play and be able to give a chop out to other players and use his excellent kicking to set up plays.

One plus if he was at FB would be that he wouldn't be exposed by a FF whether he stayed at home or pushed up the ground.

ant555

21 Jul 2008, 13:40

Not going to place the players in any specific order at this stage but I will place them in the brackets that I see them in. With so many players that could be taken in round 2 or 3 or even late first round it is very hard to line up exactly what orders clubs will pick these guys in. The results from the draft camp and state screening will play a huge part in the final order. Unlike most drafts in the last 10 years I think this one will see a number of players end up in spots that a lot of people would not have picked. One thing you can expect is the top 50 will be made up of 95% of players who played in the National Championships if you take a look at recent history.
Going to throw up around 25 names here as at this stage as first round options. Without testing there are a lot of players who could end up anywhere from pick 10 to pick 40. There are probably a few more that are in contention for a late first round selection but I will cover them when I get to the middle group. Over the next week or so I should get through covering around 70 or so players so have some patience as it takes a bit of time.

The first round options

Jack Watts – 194cm, 85kg – Sandringham Dragons/Brighton Grammar
Tall mobile forward who is a very strong mark. Very good skills and has a great ability to get through traffic for a big bloke. His evasiveness in close defies his size at times. Lovely long right foot kick and is generally a good set shot for goal. His pace is good. Reads the game very well.
Prediction – top 3

Daniel Rich – 183cm,83kg – Subiaco
Classy midfielder who has very good pace and great skill on both sides of the body. He struggled a bit during the champs with tags but he still managed to work his way into the games at various stages. His positioning and agility in and around stoppages is outstanding. He is good overhead and has very good vision. Also a very reliable long range goal kicker. Kicks the ball 50 meters with ease.
Prediction – top 3

Nick Natinui – 197cm, 95kg-Swan Districts.
Pace, big leap and athletic. Not a great kick and if he is running flat out he actually has to slow down a lot before he kicks the ball. His leap is a big advantage in the ruck and his palm work is pretty good. When he has the ball in his hand and is running forward he is very creative with his handball but the biggest concern I have is he is not a natural at reading the game. He gets caught out of position a lot and it reflects on the low amount of possession around the ground that he often has. Does not have a handle on running to the dangerous areas of the ground. Personally I would not pick him if I had a top ten pick. In saying that he will get picked up in the top 10.
Prediction – top 10

Michael Hurley – 192cm, 92kg – Northern Knights.
Has been the best defender in the last two Champ series. He has a smart footy brain and reads the play very well. Lovely long right foot kick who can kick it 50 meters with ease. His defensive skills are excellent and he has dominated any one on one duels. The one question mark on him is his pace. He is not a lumberer but he does not have great speed off the mark and overall his pace is not great. He has made up for it at under 18 level with his great anticipation and reading of the play, the question is can he do that at AFL level.
Another string he does have to his bow is the fact that he has played a lot of TAC Cup footy at CHF. He has kicked bags of 6 a couple of times and has also kicked 2 or 3 goals from CHF in numerous games.
Prediction – top 6

Hamish Hartlett – 182cm, 74kg – West Adelaide
Highly skilled midfielder with very good pace. Has good hands in close and is a one touch player who rarely fumbles. Reads the clearances very well and has good skills on both sides of the body. His positioning and work at the centre bounce is excellent. Will push forward and kick goals and can kick the ball 50 meters. He has a good side step and is evasive in close situations. He was tagged most of the way through the Champs and although in some games his numbers where not high he still made a pretty good contribution. Personally I don’t think he is all that far behind Rich.
Has played senior footy in the SANFL.
Prediction - top 6.

Jack Ziebell – 188cm, 84kg – Murray Bushrangers.
Strong midfielder /half back / half forward. Good size and excellent skills on both sides of the body. Reads the play very well and is good at finding his own ball. Clearance work is pretty good although at times he does just charge forward hoping that his side’s ruckman wins the tap and he can burst away with the ball. It looks good when it comes off but when the ball goes the other way he can get caught out big time. He is a very strong mark and regularly takes one grab contested marks. Kicking for goal is good and he can kick long distances.
The only real question mark I have on him is his pace. He has a reasonable burst of speed when it is needed but in general he is not overly quick.
Prediction - top 10.

Tyrone Vickery – 200cm, 86kg – Sandringham Dragons/Hailebury College
This bloke is the pick of the ruckmen for mine. Good leap and excellent tap work. Managed to win a good number of ruck contests against Natinui when they came up against each other. He has good skills and is mobile with reasonably good pace. Takes a good contested mark and kicks goals when he is playing forward. May not be rated as a top ten pick by some but he is by me.
Prediction – pick 5 to 15

Mitch Robinson – 188cm, 77kg – Lauderdale – Tasmania.
Tall skinny winger/midfielder who had a great Champ series. Found a heap of the ball both in close and as the link player. Reads the clearances well and has good pace. Good skills and good hands in close. Can take a nice mark and works hard all day. Not afraid to put his body on the line. Nice long right foot kick. Has played some VFL footy.
Prediction - pick 8 to 25.

Nick Suban – 179cm, 82kg – North Ballarat.
Strong bodied small defender / midfielder who has had two pretty good carnivals now. Has been used mainly on the half back line but can go into the middle and win the ball if needed. Did a great job as a small defender on Yarran in Country’s win against WA. He is a smart player who has good skills on both sides of the body. His defensive side is good and he reads the play well. The question marks he has on him are his lack of genuine pace and the fact that he kicks to contests at times during games. Natural player who displays good on field leadership. May be a bit of a slider in the draft because of the fact he plays a lot of footy at half back.
Prediction – pick 10 to 25.

Steele Sidebottom – 182cm, 79kg – Murray Bushrangers
Natural smooth moving midfielder with excellent skills on both sides of the body. Very smart player who reads the play well and has a good understanding of the clearances. Runs to the right spots and provides good options. Uses the ball well by hand and by foot. The only real downside he has is he is only steady in the pace department.
Prediction – 6 to 20.

Chris Yarran – 180cm, 84kg – Swan Districts.
Solid half forward / midfielder. Had a steady carnival without really reaching any great heights. Very nice mover who has great skills on both sides of the body. Even on a quiet day he manages to chip in with a couple of goals or a few goal assists. Takes a good contested mark and has great hands at ground level. Has huge potential if his endurance allows him to move into the midfield at a later stage.
Prediction – pick 10 to 20.

Sam Blease – 183cm, 72kg – Eastern Rangers.
Bottom aged winger / midfielder. Not much of him but he has excellent pace and great skills. Beautiful long right foot kick. Kicks well on his left but it does not have the same penetration as his right side. Has good hands at ground level and a great side step in traffic. Despite his size he does put his body on the line and tackles well. Plays a mainly outside role but is able to move into the middle and find the ball at clearances. His work rate is very good. I think it will surprise a few people how early this kid goes in the draft.
Prediction – pick 5 to 25.

Steve Hill – 182cm, 72kg – West Perth.
Mainly a winger who can play a midfielder role. Very good pace. Reads the play well and gets involved off the wing to create options for those in close clearing the ball. Kicks both feet and his skills are pretty good. Has a lovely long left foot kick. Has an exceptional motor and reports say he ran about 15km in the game against SA. Although he did most of his best work in an outside role he is more than able of wining his own ball and is pretty good around the stoppages. Played on Hartlett in the game against SA and did the run with role very well winning a fair bit of the ball himself. Played well in all the Champ games. His work rate up and down the ground is excellent.
Prediction – pick 5 to 25.

Jaime Sheahan – 178cm, 73kg – Murray Bushrangers.
There is not much of him but he simply knows how to play. He goes in hard all day and is a very clever player. Plays both inside and outside and really knows how to find the ball at the stoppages. Had five clearances in the last quarter against SA and was one player who gave Country some real drive and put some respect back into the game. Kicks the ball on both sides and works well as a small forward. His crumbing work around the forward line is excellent. His down side can be his kicking. He is not a really long kick and he can grub or bounce the ball to team mates under pressure but he is a reasonably reliable kick. Kicks goals from set shots out to about 45 metres with good accuracy. His good pace and clearance work may well see him move up the draft ladder a bit.
Prediction – pick 10 to 30.

Matt Deboer – 187cm, 85kg – Claremont.
Solidly built midfielder who has had two pretty good champ series. Finds a lot of the ball and is good with his clearance work and positioning. Kicks mainly on the right side and his pace is reasonably good. Is good in traffic and his work rate is good. Needs to sharpen up on his kicking as he can miss targets by foot. Good player who knows where to run and how to find the pill.
Prediction – pick 10 to 30.

Tom Swift – 190cm, 84kg – Claremont.
One of the big question marks of this draft. Was sensational in the 2006 under 16 Champs for WA where he lead division one for just about every midfield stat. He missed pretty much all of last year after doing a knee in April and has had limited games since then. Personally I have not seen him play but if you can lead the division in handballs, marks, short kicks, contested possessions, uncontested possessions, handball receives and clearances then you must be doing something right. Guess it will all depend on how he gets through the end of this year and how he goes at draft camp.
Prediction - ?? pick 5 to 30.

Jackson Trengove – 196cm, 77kg – Calder Cannons.
Another with an injury question mark after suffering a hamstring tendon injury earlier this year. Before going down with the injury he was in very good form. A tall defender with good pace who also had stints in the ruck in the TAC Cup. Had a great year last season and was one of the standouts. Good skills. Good pace. Great work rate and ability to read the game. Without the injury he would certainly be talked about as a genuine top 10 prospect or even higher. His injury may hinder his draft camp performance so the test results may not revile the full picture. He is good enough that you would certainly look at taking a risk with him.
Prediction – pick 10 to 30.

Shaun McKernan – 196cm, 95kg – Calder Cannons.
Big lump of a kid who has played ruck and forward. Is probably short of genuine ruck size but he does possess a reasonable leap and gives a contest every time. His tap work is good when he gets first hands on the ball. He gets around the ground well but his pace is certainly not what you would call quick. His skills are good and he can push forward and take a good mark and kick goals.
Prediction – pick 10 to 25.

Nick Heyne – 187cm, 79kg – Gippsland Power.
Lovely moving left footer who has done really well this season. Has absolutely dominated some TAC Cup games and had a reasonably good Champ series. Kicks mainly on the left side but can kick on the right pretty well. Is a dangerous forward who can kick goals from all angles and is a very good mark. Reads the clearances well in the middle and can find the ball. Pace is pretty good. Does have a few games where you wonder if he is on the ground at certain stages but then he will have a great quarter out of nowhere.
Prediction – pick 10 to 30.

Matthew Broadbent – 189cm, 81kg – Woodville-West Torrens.
Has played mainly half back or run with roles but he looks like a kid who can play a natural midfield role as well. He has pretty good pace and has good hands in close. Uses the ball well by foot as well. Runs hard all day and when he plays at half back he is prepared to run and make an option or run and carry the ball. Gave SA good drive in most games. Despite his defensive roles he managed to find a bit of the as well.
Prediction – pick 12 to 30.

Lewis Johnston – 192cm, 87kg – North Adelaide.
Bottom aged tall forward who starred in a couple of games for SA. Playing CHF or FF he took numerous contested marks in a few of the games and kicked for goal well. Kicks mainly left foot but does have a right side. His pace is ok and he works well on his leads and does lead to the right spots on the ground, works the angles well on his leads and is not just a straight up leading player. Needs to work on stopping his opponent running off up the ground and getting involved and gave away some silly free kicks at times.
Prediction – pick 8 to 25.

Jordan Roughead – 199cm, 87kg – North Ballarat.
Ruckman who possess a pretty good leap and good ruck skills. Gives a contest all day and is good around the ground. He is a solid mark and has nice right foot kicking skills. Is pretty mobile and gets to where he needs to be.
Prediction – pick 12 to 30.

Michael Walters – 177cm, 75kg – Swan Districts.
Small forward or midfielder with great pace and good skills. Plays a bit outside. Very good ground level pick up and very creative with his hands. Kicks mainly left side and uses the ball well. He leads well as a forward and his crumbing work is good. His forward pressure was also very good during the champs.
Prediction – pick 10 to 30.

Rhys O’Keefe – 187cm, 80kg – North Adelaide.
Running half back / midfielder who won a lot of the ball over the champs for SA. Has good pace and excellent skills. Kicks both sides and is a lovely long kick of the ball. Work rate and run from half back was excellent and he showed good touch when he was played in the middle. Smart around the stoppages.
Prediction – pick 10 to 30.

Clancee Pearce – 183cm, 85kg – Swan Districts.
Solid running half back who simply demands the ball. Goes in hard to find it and sets up a lot of play through the corridor. Reasonably good pace and good kicking skills on the right side. Work rate is very good and is good at ground level. Good in traffic.
Prediction – pick 12 to 30.

Jay Shannon – 180cm, 82kg – Port Magpies.
Midfielder/forward with good pace and skills. Did well in the clearances and looks a natural midfielder. Reads the play well and gets in to find the ball. Work rate was very good. Uses the ball well. Gave SA plenty of drive every time he was in the middle.
Prediction – pick 14 to 30.

colts4life

21 Jul 2008, 13:42

44. Johnny Rayner - was his local club Taylors Lakes?

Barts

21 Jul 2008, 13:49

Ant/Foj1/Merv,

Who would you be happy to pick up with picks in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds? I've got a fair idea about a few I wouldn't mind but am not so sure of where they would fit in the pecking order.

colts4life

21 Jul 2008, 13:51

Jack Ziebell
Tyrone Vickery

we look like getting pick 5 - 6 and from what little knowledge i have of players the above 2 would be the guys we should be looking at.

CHB we need bad (Ziebell)
RUCK we need (Vickery)

Laycock is a lamecock - must be traded

Merv

21 Jul 2008, 13:59

Excellent summary ant and thanks to you and foj for taking the time and for making them available for us.

I agree with you that this draft will throw up surprises, especially for the BF "experts".

Tyrone Vickery – 200cm, 86kg – Sandringham Dragons/Hailebury College
This bloke is the pick of the ruckmen for mine. Good leap and excellent tap work. Managed to win a good number of ruck contests against Natinui when they came up against each other. He has good skills and is mobile with reasonably good pace. Takes a good contested mark and kicks goals when he is playing forward. May not be rated as a top ten pick by some but he is by me.
Prediction – pick 5 to 15

I think he might be by a lot of others also and from the little i have seen from him he doesn't seem to have a weakness.

Windas_Magic

21 Jul 2008, 14:05

Fantastic reports Ant and foj1, much appreciated:thumbsu:

Ben the Gooner

21 Jul 2008, 14:20

Cheers guys.

Lynch takes a mark

21 Jul 2008, 16:37

Sam Blease is definietly one I can see doing a Travis Boak or Scott Pendlebury and going much ealier than expected.

S.C[BANKS]

21 Jul 2008, 18:59

Sam Blease is definietly one I can see doing a Travis Boak or Scott Pendlebury and going much ealier than expected.

That's a huge call mate.

ant555

21 Jul 2008, 19:23

;11790567']That's a huge call mate.

It may be to you but it is not to those who have seen him playing TAC Cup ;)
There has been a bit of talk around the under 18 circles about him pushing up to the first round.

Merv

21 Jul 2008, 19:26

Where do you see Shoenmakers going Ant?

Not that i'm suggesting we should take him.

Colin D'Cops

21 Jul 2008, 19:29

I reckon second round would be about right Merv.

ant555

21 Jul 2008, 20:01

Where do you see Shoenmakers going Ant?

Not that i'm suggesting we should take him.

Agree with GS probably somewhere in the second round or early third round.

S.C[BANKS]

21 Jul 2008, 21:22

It may be to you but it is not to those who have seen him playing TAC Cup ;)
There has been a bit of talk around the under 18 circles about him pushing up to the first round.

So his impending to average around 16 disposals and 4 marks next year?

Sounds attractive for our first pick up....;)

How about Zibell? Do you think he can influence straight away resembling this kid?

reincarnated

21 Jul 2008, 21:34

U18 ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM

B: Nick Suban (VC) Michael Hurley (VM) Clancee Pearce (WA)
HB: Stephen Hill (WA) Jordan Lisle (VM) Rhyse O’Keefe (SA)
C: Mitch Robinson (T) Matthew Deboer (WA) David Zaharakis (VM)
HF: Hamish Hartlett (SA) Lewis Johnston (SA) Tom Scully (VM)
F: Tyrone Vickery (VM) Jack Watts (VM) Michael Walters (WA)
Foll: Nick Naitanui (WA) Jack Ziebell (VC) Ranga Ediriwickrama(NSW)
IC: Daniel Rich (WA) Shaun McKernan (VM) Steele Sidebottom (VC) Kade Klemke (NSW)

Out of the ones who made the AA...players I wouldn't mind picking up.

Round 1
Hamish Hartlett
Michael Hurley
Shaun McKernan
Jack Ziebell

Possible for Round 2
David Zaharakis
Steele Sidebottom
Mitch Robinson
Nick Suban

You would think one of those can slip through to our Round 2. Only problem is Melbourne, West Coast and Fremantle could be eligible for PP after the first round (before their second round). Which would push us three spots down the order.

Colin D'Cops

21 Jul 2008, 21:38

Don't think Suban, Robinson or Sidebottom will fall to our second pick, but Zaharakis will land around there I would imagine so we would have a chance with gaining his services imo.

reincarnated

21 Jul 2008, 21:57

saladin

21 Jul 2008, 22:16

Yeah! you are probably right Great Source. But same could have been said about Jetta and Hislop. (Though we got them for our PP and early 2nd Round).

That's why I am worried about three teams getting PPs before our 2nd. Hope Freo can win 2 more. Don't think WC and Melb can win 3 more games.

well Freo play west coast in a couple of weeks. and melbourne play west coast again too. so you'd think freo will have at least 4 wins, and melb or wc have to have at least 3 once they've played. Freo would also be a chance this week against PA - port have done their damage to adelaide and will go back to tank mode.

Windas_Magic

21 Jul 2008, 22:20

well Freo play west coast in a couple of weeks. and melbourne play west coast again too. so you'd think freo will have at least 4 wins, and melb or wc have to have at least 3 once they've played. Freo would also be a chance this week against PA - port have done their damage to adelaide and will go back to tank mode.
I expect Freo to win more than 4 games but Melbourne and West Coast will be lucky to win three more games between them the way they're going.

saladin

22 Jul 2008, 08:06

ant555

22 Jul 2008, 08:17

great summary's from ant and foj. well done.

i do think, ant, that Neville Jetta will be in the 1st round mix too. probably late 1st or one of the PP's. small, clever players are back in vogue at the moment.

Well i did say there where probably 4 or 5 others that are in the mix that i would cover in my next lot ;)

ant555

22 Jul 2008, 08:33

;11792658']So his impending to average around 16 disposals and 4 marks next year?

Sounds attractive for our first pick up....;)

How about Zibell? Do you think he can influence straight away resembling this kid?

Was picked in the Metro side as a bottom aged player after only playing two early TAC Cup games so he must have something going for him.;)
Oh and he averages 21 in TAC Cup and had a very good under 16 Champs last year. Maybe you should know a little bit more about the players being discussed before you add your expert opinion :rolleyes:
I hope he doesn't go first round and is still there for our second round pick but the word around the traps is is one who is likely to jump up a number of places.

As for your question about Ziebell he could have some influence in his first year. I dont know what the rest of your question is saying in regards to resembling:confused:

The Dustbin

22 Jul 2008, 08:49

What relation is Neville Jetta to Leroy?

Humble Minion

22 Jul 2008, 10:21

Thanks foj, ant555. Two great reads, very detailed and comprehensive. Much appreciated.

Ludwig van Bertstare

22 Jul 2008, 12:50

What relation is Neville Jetta to Leroy?

Cousins, I believe.

The Dustbin

22 Jul 2008, 17:14

Cousins, I believe.

Thanks RIG. :thumbsu:

Colin D'Cops

22 Jul 2008, 17:37

Michael Hurley had 32 kicks on the weekend and what has been probably been mentioned a few times, he has had two -six goal hauls at his time with the Knights also. His class and pedigree just keeps on rising.

dirtywhitepacker

22 Jul 2008, 17:55

The way our injury list is going, we could drop games to Melbourne and West Coast, putting at least one of them at 4 wins... That's a real possibility. No one thought we'd lose to Richmond in Round 21 last year... But it happened... So in the end there may be only one club (West Coast) getting a priority pick. Sort of like the Kruezer Cup last year, the game between Melbourne and West Coast will determine the wooden spoon and priority pick. Could improve our chances of getting one of those players touted as early second round picks...

S.C[BANKS]

22 Jul 2008, 18:38

Was picked in the Metro side as a bottom aged player after only playing two early TAC Cup games so he must have something going for him.;)
Oh and he averages 21 in TAC Cup and had a very good under 16 Champs last year. Maybe you should know a little bit more about the players being discussed before you add your expert opinion :rolleyes:

:confused:

Huh? not once have I ever give an opinion on anyone. In fact every post I do in the draft threads are asking for opinions of others or saying which kid I want us to draft.

As for your question about Ziebell he could have some influence in his first year. I dont know what the rest of your question is saying in regards to resembling

I was asking if he can be a contributor straight away.

HFF_07

22 Jul 2008, 19:04

As I said in the other thread, I liked the look of Brodie A'Vard for NSW v SA. He read the game very well in a team which got slaughtered as a key back. Would be a good rookie pick.

And I want Jarred Redden and Luke Stanton.

That is probably spot on.

1st round - Hurley or Hartlett
2nd Round - Ruckmen ??
3rd Round - Jay Shannon
4th Round - Luke Stanton

Rookie - This Brodie A'Vard seems to be a likely type, have heard a few people throw his name up on the Essendon BF forums.

Duckworth

22 Jul 2008, 19:33

well if by a 'few' people you mean Ben the Gooner throwing it up a couple of times... then yes... ;)

HFF_07

22 Jul 2008, 19:40

well if by a 'few' people you mean Ben the Gooner throwing it up a couple of times... then yes... ;)

just finished watching some tapes provided to me by some people and he seems like he could play, might be a viable option, the rookie draft,

ant555

22 Jul 2008, 19:59

That is probably spot on.

1st round - Hurley or Hartlett
2nd Round - Ruckmen ??
3rd Round - Jay Shannon
4th Round - Luke Stanton

Rookie - This Brodie A'Vard seems to be a likely type, have heard a few people throw his name up on the Essendon BF forums.

Jay Shannon would certainly be a good get in the third round :thumbsu:

HFF_07

22 Jul 2008, 20:11

Jay Shannon would certainly be a good get in the third round :thumbsu:

saw him at Casey Fields, big unit (Stocky) is a cleance boy though, loves the hard ball, is 180cm, so a good size for the midfield.

What are peoples thoughts on Broadbent at Essendon, seems to have flown under the radar a little bit, missing AA selection and the likes. Was really impressed everytime I saw him play over the course of the champs.

Ben the Gooner

22 Jul 2008, 20:35

well if by a 'few' people you mean Ben the Gooner throwing it up a couple of times... then yes... ;)

You heard it here first.:D

HFF_07

22 Jul 2008, 20:44

You heard it here first.:D

haha, yeah, is he eligible for a scholarship.

Colin D'Cops

22 Jul 2008, 22:44

Jay Shannon would certainly be a good get in the third round :thumbsu:

I've seen this guy play numerous times, but haven't been a big fan of him to be honest. I've heard plenty of people talk him up on the drafts & trading thread, but not quite sure what the big fuss over this 'smoky' is about. He has decent size and resonably good hands close into packs, but nothing really stands out about him, no X factor imo.

jgb99

22 Jul 2008, 22:47

Shannon's like a poor man's Rich IMO.

HFF_07

23 Jul 2008, 14:54

Shannon's like a poor man's Rich IMO.

if thats the case, i wouldnt mind him, can win his own ball, thats wheat we like too see, am in agreeeance over no real X-Factor, doesnt me he would be a bad pick up, if he was to be a poor man's rich, then certainly we can work on, hate to see it, but, his 'potential' i use it reservedly, as I have only seen the two games of SA, and he does his but and thats it, but, we dont need a team of superstars, we need a superstar team to win a flag,

Thoughts??

Ludwig van Bertstare

23 Jul 2008, 15:21

Shannon's like a poor man's Rich IMO.

A poor man's Rich is Leigh Matthews in his prime :p

HFF_07

23 Jul 2008, 15:45

A poor man's Rich is Leigh Matthews in his prime :p

HAHAHA:D:D

gave me a little chuckle, thoughts on Jay Shannon R I G

Ludwig van Bertstare

23 Jul 2008, 15:58

HAHAHA:D:D

gave me a little chuckle, thoughts on Jay Shannon R I G

I haven't seen him nor do I know much about him.

ant555

24 Jul 2008, 09:28

I've seen this guy play numerous times, but haven't been a big fan of him to be honest. I've heard plenty of people talk him up on the drafts & trading thread, but not quite sure what the big fuss over this 'smoky' is about. He has decent size and resonably good hands close into packs, but nothing really stands out about him, no X factor imo.

Yes and x factor is a BS term used by fans and the media.
Lets face it pretty much only champions posses x factor that gets used all the time.
The reason he is talked up is he is good at finding the ball and he uses it well. He is not a jet but he has pretty good pace and kicks both sides of the body.
How many guys like Armatige , or Boak or others taken outside the top 5 but still first round had some sort of the so call X factor ?
Its not like Shannon is being talked up as someone who will come screaming into the top 10.

ant555

24 Jul 2008, 09:33

if thats the case, i wouldnt mind him, can win his own ball, thats wheat we like too see, am in agreeeance over no real X-Factor, doesnt me he would be a bad pick up, if he was to be a poor man's rich, then certainly we can work on, hate to see it, but, his 'potential' i use it reservedly, as I have only seen the two games of SA, and he does his but and thats it, but, we dont need a team of superstars, we need a superstar team to win a flag,

Thoughts??

Agree. A few good ball winners like Shannon will fit in well with the likes of Lonergan,Houli,Hocking,Hislop and co.

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 01:08

Yes and x factor is a BS term used by fans and the media.
Lets face it pretty much only champions posses x factor that gets used all the time.
The reason he is talked up is he is good at finding the ball and he uses it well. He is not a jet but he has pretty good pace and kicks both sides of the body.
How many guys like Armatige , or Boak or others taken outside the top 5 but still first round had some sort of the so call X factor ?
Its not like Shannon is being talked up as someone who will come screaming into the top 10.

' X factor' in my eyes is a player that has something that really stands out, such as great pace or a massive leap. Nothing really stands out about him, so that's what I meant when I said that there. Boak & Armitage both showed way more potential/class at the champs then Shannon has done this year so it's not even worth comparing them. Of course he isn't being touted top 10, never thought that and nver will, but some of the guy's on the drafts and tradings board rate him a tad to highly, but their opinion is certainly valid, but different in my eyes thus why I talked about him here.

Atavistic

25 Jul 2008, 02:00

ant555

25 Jul 2008, 08:19

' X factor' in my eyes is a player that has something that really stands out, such as great pace or a massive leap. Nothing really stands out about him, so that's what I meant when I said that there. Boak & Armitage both showed way more potential/class at the champs then Shannon has done this year so it's not even worth comparing them. Of course he isn't being touted top 10, never thought that and nver will, but some of the guy's on the drafts and tradings board rate him a tad to highly, but their opinion is certainly valid, but different in my eyes thus why I talked about him here.

In your vastly experienced opinion of course :D

SOT4

25 Jul 2008, 11:44

49. Patrick Hayes 190cm 80kg Calder

Extremely quick and athletic former representative hockey player. A few clubs had more than a nibble at him last year and his rate of improvement this year has been pleasing and has the scope to improve significantly more. The queries on Hayes are his kicking which has improved as the season has progressed and his decision making which is a little scratchy. However, Hayes shows speed from half back which doesn’t break lines it destroys them. A touch of Tadgh Kennelly about him.Been a rare exciting rookie for Calder.

Ant or any others who have been watching the games what do you think of this guy? Sounds an interesting prospect and could come cheap.

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 15:52

In your vastly experienced opinion of course :D

Sure is. ;)

HFF_07

25 Jul 2008, 17:31

All I am saying is, do you think that Essendon would take a look into Jay Shannon, seems a likely type, as stated previously, saw him at Casey Fields and he tore it up against a more highly fancied Vic Country midfield.

And also, what are peoples thoughts on Matthew Broadbent, saw him a couple of times and he was a very solid player, a 189 utility/backmen, was very unlucky by all reports to miss AA, any chance of him sliding, where to, am not thinking Essendon will take him, but just curious of where he may fall too.

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 17:36

And also, what are peoples thoughts on Matthew Broadbent, saw him a couple of times and he was a very solid player, a 189 utility/backmen, was very unlucky by all reports to miss AA, any chance of him sliding, where to, am not thinking Essendon will take him, but just curious of where he may fall too.

I'd think Broadbent will be picked up around the second or third round, hovering around that mark imo.

HFF_07

25 Jul 2008, 17:43

I'd think Broadbent will be picked up around the second or third round, hovering around that mark imo.

ok then, cheers, Essendon wont look at him, plays a similar role to NLM>Adam Mcphee??

ant555

25 Jul 2008, 17:49

ok then, cheers, Essendon wont look at him, plays a similar role to NLM>Adam Mcphee??

He does fit the tall running midfielder/halfback type that Knights does seem to like.

HFF_07

25 Jul 2008, 17:52

He does fit the tall running midfielder/halfback type that Knights does seem to like.

would you feel essendon may take him, if he was their in, MAYBE, the third round, is he still going to grow, could be a handy player at CHB if he was still to grow,

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 17:54

ok then, cheers, Essendon wont look at him, plays a similar role to NLM>Adam Mcphee??

Yeah, I guess you can say he plays a bit like NLM, utility type, but seems to have a bigger engine but less agression.

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 17:56

would you feel essendon may take him, if he was their in, MAYBE, the third round, is he still going to grow, could be a handy player at CHB if he was still to grow,

I think we'd have a good look at him if he was still available at our third pick no doubt.

HFF_07

25 Jul 2008, 18:00

I think we'd have a good look at him if he was still available at our third pick no doubt.

i doubt he would still be around the third round. some people have him top 20, others seem to have him sliding to the third round. so maybe he mightm im not too sure, would he play AFL straight away, I have always been a fan of his.

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 18:05

i doubt he would still be around the third round. some people have him top 20, others seem to have him sliding to the third round. so maybe he mightm im not too sure, would he play AFL straight away, I have always been a fan of his.

Nuh, I don't think he'll make an impact in the AFL straight away like Palmer for example. Rich, Zaharakis & Hurley are the likely types that look like making an impact straight away in the AFL. Yeah, depends where recruiters rate him, which is a bit of a mystery at this stage, but only forming my on judgement on that. Probably second round, but could slide to the third with a big crop of even youngsters.

HFF_07

25 Jul 2008, 18:16

Nuh, I don't think he'll make an impact in the AFL straight away like Palmer for example. Rich, Zaharakis & Hurley are the likely types that look like making an impact straight away in the AFL. Yeah, depends where recruiters rate him, which is a bit of a mystery at this stage, but only forming my on judgement on that. Probably second round, but could slide to the third with a big crop of even youngsters.

yeah, just not sure on Matty Broadbent, thats all.

Seems like he may be able to grow a little bit, do you think he would be able to hold down a KP (FB,CHB) at AFL level in a few years. if someone bulked him up a little bit, play a role like Matthew Scarlett does, or Brian Lake, not the tallest blokes, but very good backmen.

Colin D'Cops

25 Jul 2008, 18:20

yeah, just not sure on Matty Broadbent, thats all.

Seems like he may be able to grow a little bit, do you think he would be able to hold down a KP (FB,CHB) at AFL level in a few years. if someone bulked him up a little bit, play a role like Matthew Scarlett does, or Brian Lake, not the tallest blokes, but very good backmen.

Nuh I don't think he'll be able to hold down a KP spot at AFL level, has the same size as Pendlebury almost IIRC. Will be a similar player to Pendlebury, but less flair.

Hislop200

26 Jul 2008, 14:02

What are peoples thoughts on number 3 for Tassy, Tom Allwright?
Good mover, clean and could be a good late pick up.

HFF_07

27 Jul 2008, 14:13

Colin D'Cops

28 Jul 2008, 11:13

All I am asking, from not just your fine self, Great Source, but do you see Shannon being picked up in say the third round, Would love to see him the big red stripe,

Thanks very much for the kind words HFFlanker. ;)
I can see him going in the third round, seems just about right for him I reckon, but not to sure we'd want another one of his type (Lonergan, Hislop, Hocking, etc.) but he'd definitely be a possibilty.

go_the_bombers

28 Jul 2008, 11:23

I would love for us to get Michael Hurley with our 1st Pick and with our 2nd pick get Mitch Robinson

ant555

28 Jul 2008, 15:35

Thanks very much for the kind words HFFlanker. ;)
I can see him going in the third round, seems just about right for him I reckon, but not to sure we'd want another one of his type (Lonergan, Hislop, Hocking, etc.) but he'd definitely be a possibilty.

Hang on , why would you not want someone with good skills on both sides of the footy who can find the footy and if anything is slightly quicker than the three players you mentioned?
Sure he lacks the so called "X" factor but that does not stop him from being a pretty good player. It is not like he is an unskillfull one sided outside plodder :D

HFF_07

28 Jul 2008, 18:45

I would love for us to get Michael Hurley with our 1st Pick and with our 2nd pick get Mitch Robinson

Doubt he will be available. Sorry to disappoint, but I suppose, from all reports, the top 25 could all be potential top 10 picks, so could be picked up anywhere. but seems like a few clubs like the look of him.

Hang on , why would you not want someone with good skills on both sides of the footy who can find the footy and if anything is slightly quicker than the three players you mentioned?

Sure he lacks the so called "X" factor but that does not stop him from being a pretty good player. It is not like he is an unskillfull one sided outside plodder

I agree, ant: he seems to be a Sam Mitchell type player, and if he is anything like mitchell then i am welcome to him being at the bombers. Everybody has to remeber that every drafted player we pick up, may not come on as w would have liked, tall ones or short ones. look at our current 'crop' of ok players, Dyson, still young but high hopes from a promising player, lee injured, cant get the body right, Johns never really handled the big stage of AFL, just to name a few. As mentioned, he could add us depth, I do keep mentioning it, but all GREAT sides (Geelong last year, Brisbane in the three peat) all had more than the best 22, they had up to 25-30 players that could walk into their side and make a difference. look at Geelong now, they had Ablett, Ling and Milburn out, all AA from last year, they had Prismall, Gamble and D.Johnson come into the side, and more than do their bit for the team.

Merv

28 Jul 2008, 19:09

If you sit down and put together your version of our best 22, then the remaining list, which in a perfect world, (No injuries) would be our Bendigo team, you will see we now have reasonable to good depth.

We will most likely cut 4-6 players.

Our main aim now is to balance up our list and recruit for the replacements for our retiring KPP players.

We have some but they are unproven or injury prone.

What i want to see us draft is a lock down KPP defender, preferably a FB.

The reason i say lock down is we have Paddy but i don't think he will ever be a defender that will nullify an opposition gun forward but i see him more in the mould of Fletch and if we are being honest, as good as Fletch is and has been he has ALWAYS had bags kicked on him by gun forwards.

We need someone that can do a lock down job and keep these guns to reasonable tallies.

From what i have seen and from what i have read and been told it sounds like Hurley is our man.

HFF_07

28 Jul 2008, 19:12

Colin D'Cops

28 Jul 2008, 19:13

Hang on , why would you not want someone with good skills on both sides of the footy who can find the footy and if anything is slightly quicker than the three players you mentioned?
Sure he lacks the so called "X" factor but that does not stop him from being a pretty good player. It is not like he is an unskillfull one sided outside plodder :D

I wouldn't say he is quicker, but most probably not slower than the three mentioned. Sure he has had good skills, not overly outstanding, he can find the footy which is a plus but most can these days, it's that 'multi-package' that splits the good players from the rest, and in my eyes he isn't exactly that 'multi-package' that someone would look for in the first two rounds with one or two standout features (Eg. Superb skills, great pace, big leap, etc.) but it's only my opinion of course. He'd be a good third round pick up though as I have previously mentioned, wouldn't have a problem with that.

Colin D'Cops

28 Jul 2008, 19:16

Windas_Magic

28 Jul 2008, 19:25

From what i have seen and from what i have read and been told it sounds like Hurley is our man.
I'm sure a lot of us are keen on Hurley but i have doubts on if he will be availabe at our pick. Port Adelaide need a KPP and may go for him, but if you look at our and Carlton's road ahead, we could easily finish above the Blues. And if this eventuated, you wouldn't see Carlton passing on him as he is exactly what they need also.

HFF_07

28 Jul 2008, 19:27

I wouldn't say he is quicker, but most probably not slower than the three mentioned. Sure he has had good skills, not overly outstanding, he can find the footy which is a plus but most can these days, it's that 'multi-package' that splits the good players from the rest, and in my eyes he isn't exactly that 'multi-package' that someone would look for in the first two rounds with one or two standout features (Eg. Superb skills, great pace, big leap, etc.) but it's only my opinion of course. He'd be a good third round pick up though as I have previously mentioned, wouldn't have a problem with that.

I like the comparison I made to Shannon, that he is a Sam Michell type player (not the quickest, best kick) but is able to get his own ball, in both a contested situation and a loose ball play, he does seem to get lost on a couple of occasions in the couple of games I saw him in, but overall I was,l really impressed with him, he is a likely type, and one who, with a little bit oftime and effort, then we could get a bargain with our 3rd rounder, as that is where he is likely to go IMO.

Sigmund

28 Jul 2008, 20:28

leesisgod

28 Jul 2008, 20:46

bombersno1

28 Jul 2008, 21:10

what about tyrone vickery? absolute gun. great tap ruckman, excellent around the ground and extremely dangerous up forward. i dont have a lot of faith in laycock and imo this kids going to be an absolute star

Not as a first rounder. Rather Hurley or Ziebell or Hartlett thanks.

Merv

28 Jul 2008, 21:45

Merv -- do you think Pears could be this player??

It's difficult for me to answer for a couple of reasons.

I haven't seen him play much at FB or even CHB since he has been with us.

I saw him in WA play at CHB several times and he looked right at home although he wasn't what i would call a lock down defender.

That's not to say he didn't beat his opponents, as he did, but he was physically superior to them mostly and provided good run and set ups out of defense.

When he played with Myers during the champs, he was working well with him and used the ball off HB well, but i think WA had a rule to use Myers as there quarterback as a lot of the defenders liked to dish off to him.

Knighter and Dodoro have both said they see him as a CHB type so i'm not sure if he will be given the chance to play FB.

I am keen for Mal to retire so we can start to eas someone into the position while we still have Fletch there as back up/coach but i'm not sure the coaches see it this way as when Mal has been out we haven't used Pears at FB at all.

lol, sorry for the ramble, i hope he could be that guy, but i haven't seen enough of him yet.

Merv

28 Jul 2008, 21:48

what about tyrone vickery? absolute gun. great tap ruckman, excellent around the ground and extremely dangerous up forward. i dont have a lot of faith in laycock and imo this kids going to be an absolute star

I would be surprised, from the little i have seen of him, if he didn't go first round but i doubt we would choose him but he would be a great pickup for who ever did.

Windas_Magic

28 Jul 2008, 22:11

Merv, just say we pick up Hurley and in the first couple of years he shows that he is more than capable of playing FB. Do you think Pears could play as a rebounding defender and like a bit of a quarter back who may play as loose man or third tall defender? Because he has the size and smarts to play that role and is quite quick and mobile

HFF_07

29 Jul 2008, 08:59

On Tyrone Vickey, their are better players than him out their, is a proven fact that the top three ruckmen in the comp atm were all late picks or rookie drafts(Cox - Rookie, Sandilands - Rookie, Hille - Pick 41), and lay off Laycock, he is improving, steadily. We will probably pick up a ruckmen with our 3rd or 4th pick, maybe Jarred Redden, but apparently alot of clubs are interested in him, maybe Andrew Browne from VC was pretty impressive, mountain of a kid. May be a likely type, seemed a little slow sometimes with his hand to foot concentration, but did a few nice things in the couple of games i saw of him.

7zark7

29 Jul 2008, 15:31

I like the comparison I made to Shannon, that he is a Sam Michell type player (not the quickest, best kick) but is able to get his own ball, in both a contested situation and a loose ball play, he does seem to get lost on a couple of occasions in the couple of games I saw him in, but overall I was,l really impressed with him, he is a likely type, and one who, with a little bit oftime and effort, then we could get a bargain with our 3rd rounder, as that is where he is likely to go IMO.

I likened Mitch Banner to Sam Mitchell. Where do you think he will go??

Colin D'Cops

29 Jul 2008, 15:59

I likened Mitch Banner to Sam Mitchell. Where do you think he will go??

Late into the draft Mitch will go in my opinon, isn't overly tall (Under 180cm) and isn't quick enough to dominate at AFL level, which clubs look for in drafts obviously, match winners. Is a good, honest, hard-at-it footballer with a pretty big kick for his size however his speed and height are major negatives and are attributes that can't be fixed majorly, especially height. I think he is a genuine chance to get drafted, whether it is late into the draft or the rookie draft though because he does have those essential 'footy smarts'.

HFF_07

29 Jul 2008, 19:35

Late into the draft Mitch will go in my opinon, isn't overly tall (Under 180cm) and isn't quick enough to dominate at AFL level, which clubs look for in drafts obviously, match winners. Is a good, honest, hard-at-it footballer with a pretty big kick for his size however his speed and height are major negatives and are attributes that can't be fixed majorly, especially height. I think he is a genuine chance to get drafted, whether it is late into the draft or the rookie draft though because he does have those essential 'footy smarts'.

Pick 47 North Melbourne Football Club

Brent Harvey 172cm, 75kg

How is this bloke going atm, any one help me out here. please. Won an E.J whitten medal in his third season at the top, How did ben Mglynn play last year, was top 20 for inside 50s last year. was having high hopes for 'wee man' were the haws, but has sadly been struck down by injuries thus far. was taken with a rookie pic, but excelled in the ressies, so, my dear friend their is hope for this boy yet, and plenty of it. Look at Jamie Sheean, the young pure blonde kid from VM, dominated, had 25+ possies in the final game, and kicked a few very good goals, so, size is not everything.

One last thing, Campbell Brown, All Australian 2007, BP

ant555

29 Jul 2008, 20:29

These are the players I think will more than likely be in line for selection in the second, third and fourth round. A few may push up to be late first rounders and some may miss out all together. Once again how they test at draft camp / state screening will play a big role on where they go or if they get picked up at all.
Please note This is not a finished product. I have another 30 or so players to add but i thought i would add what i have done so far. So if you notice someone that you think should be there is missing it is probaly becasue i have not got around to adding them yet.;)

David Zaharakis – 180cm, 73kg – Northern Knights.
Speedy midfielder/winger who was overlooked in last years draft which was a surprise to a number of people. He has kicked on a bit this year and captained Vic Metro to victory in this years champs. Has a very good long right foot kick but also tends to be very one sided which can catch him out under pressure. He has games where his decision making can let him down a touch as well. He reads the game pretty well and is reasonably good at stoppages. Can take contested marks and his work rate is good. His TAC Cup form this year has been very good and has included games where he has kicked multiple goals.
Should go before the fourth round this year.

Ryan Schoenmakers – 189cm, 85kg – Norwood.
Left foot CHF who had a good Champ series. Not overly tall for a CHF but moves well on the lead and takes a good mark. His pace is pretty good and he leads to the right areas on the ground. Skills are good and his goal kicking was pretty reliable.
I would be surprised if he does not get taken in the second or third rounds.

Mitch Banner – 178cm, 77kg – Western Jets.
Midfield ball magnet who gets in and under and finds the ball as well as providing a running option. Does a lot of good work at the stoppages and simply runs all day. Can kick a fair way on the right side but he can kick some ordinary balls and his decision making can be great one minute and rather poor the next. He is pretty good by hand and his marking skills are pretty good. Has racked up some big numbers in his TAC Cup career including eight 30 plus possession games over the last couple of seasons. Can kick multiple goals when he goes forward. If his decision making and kicking skills where a bit sharper he would be a lock for the first round.
With the amount of ball he does find I don’t think you will see his name on the board when the fourth round starts.

Neville Jetta – 178cm, 75kg – Swan Districts.
Small forward with great pace who can push up and find a bit of the ball through the middle of the ground. Mainly a right footer but does have a left side. His front and centre work is very good and he reads the play well. He missed a few easy goals in the game against Tassie at Casey but his kicking skills are generally good. His work rate is pretty good.
Could sneak up into the first round but I think he will end up going second or third round.

Aaron Cornelius – 192cm, 84kg – Glenorchy/Tasmania
The go to man in the Tassie forward line. Played a mixture of CHF and FF and was Tasmania’s best forward. Is not overly quick but is a good contested mark and works to the right areas on the ground. He is a pretty long right foot kick and his kicking skills are pretty good. His set shots from a distance where a bit patchy at times during the champs. Does a lot of things right.
Another who could sneak up into the first round but will surely be picked up somewhere in the second round.

Jordan Lisle – 196cm, 87kg – Oakleigh Chargers/Carey Grammar
Tall KP player who gets used at both ends of the ground. Good strong mark who has good foot skills and kicks the ball a long way. Has reasonably good pace and is a good defender. Has a bit of a question mark on his agility. His goal kicking is pretty reliable. To me he looks to have the makings of a good defender.
If his draft camp goes ok he will get taken second or third round.

Ben Speight – 177cm, 71kg – Norwood.
Not a name that has been mentioned a lot but is one player who I was impressed with in both the games I saw him play. Small midfielder/forward who has good skills on both sides of the body most of the time (he did kick a couple of ordinary balls in the game against NSW). Reads the play well and is good in close with his hands. Terrific work rate and ran hard all day to make an option or to receive. Played a little bit of time at half back and gave good run out of defence.
May not be taken in the second round but I feel he is a really good third or fourth round prospect.

Chris Hall – 179cm, 65kg – Woodville / West Torrens.
Small forward/midfielder who is very light. Very good pace and skills and is excellent at ground level. Runs hard through the middle and has good hands and is very creative with his disposal. Right foot kicking is good. Marking skills looked ok. Was dangerous in and around the forward line. Roving skills in the forward line where good.
Classy little player who should get picked up second or third round.

Zachary Clarke – 203cm, 84kg – Oakleigh Chargers
Vic Metro’s fourth string ruckman who has had a reasonable year for the Chargers so far. Has split his time with some ruck duties as well as playing at FF. He does not win as many taps as he should for a player of his height but he has done pretty well in the games I have seen him play. His has good skills by foot and by hand and is pretty mobile with good pace for a tall. Has shown he can take a good contested mark but it is also one area of his game that could improve a bit more. He gets to the rights spots but has spilled a couple grabs that he should have taken at various times during games. His goal kicking is pretty good and he has been in Oakleigh’s better players on a number of occasions this year. Not a player I expect to go second or third round but certainly a player worth looking at when the fourth round comes along. Could possibly sneak into the third round but I suspect he will be picked fourth round or later if he goes.

Luke Stanton – 191cm, 83kg – Northern Knights.
Tall athletic winger/midfielder who has steadily improved over the last 12 months. Has the ability to kick both sides of the body but he often misfires and does not hit targets. He runs to position well and his pace is pretty good. Knows where to be to receive the ball. Generally looks better playing an outside role but he can win contested footy and has reasonable footy smarts at stoppages. Has also been used at half back with good results. Has played CHB against sides that use mobile players at CHF. Generally very creative by hand.
Would be very surprised if he did not go somewhere between late second round to mid fourth round.

Rory Sloane– 182cm, 76kg – Eastern Rangers.
Small defender/midfielder with good defensive skills and pretty good pace. Played mainly half back or BP during the champs and did a pretty good job handling the opposition small forwards. In the TAC Cup he has mainly played midfield and is a good in and under player who can get in and find the ball. He is pretty creative by hand. The main thing that lets him down is his disposal by foot. He can be very hit and miss on a bad day. There is not much of him but he will give you 100% all the time.
He has form over two seasons in the TAC Cup so I think clubs would be looking at him later in the draft.

Tom Allwright – 185cm, 83kg – North Hobart/Tasmania.
Midfielder/defender from Tasmania with reasonably good pace. Good reader of the play and is very composed under pressure. Nice right foot kick and a good mark. Good hands in close and his overall vision of play is very good. Gave good run out of defence while playing there.
I think this kid would prove to be a good late round pick up.

Paul Cahill – 192cm, 80kg – Sturt.
Tall forward with good pace and a strong mark. Work rate and leading during the champs was excellent. Seemed to have a good handle on where to lead and how to work in with the other tall forwards. He is very athletic and mobile. He is not the best kick going around but he did manage to kick goals in all the games.
Can’t see a mobile tall like this bloke going much further back than third round.

Alex Stopp – 189cm, 86kg – Norwood.
Another player who is probably outside the view of most people but did have a very good champ series. He is a tallish midfield/half back with good pace and nice skills on the right side. Played a lot at half back and was very impressive in his ability to run and be the link man coming out of defence and through the middle of the ground. Solid bodied kid with good pace and good vision.
Someone clubs should have a look at in the third or fourth round.

Tom Rockliff – 183cm, 83kg – Murray Bushrangers.
Small forward who was very good in last years TAC Cup final series but was over looked in last years draft. Has been a consistent player at Tac Cup level kicking bags of 6 plus goals on numerous occasions. The question mark he has on him is his athleticism and his pace. He is not overly quick. He has had some time in the midfield but he is a work in progress there and his results have been steady without showing anything to get over excited about. As a forward he is very dangerous. He takes a strong mark and his crumbing work is excellent. He had a reasonable champ series and he kept his work rate up throughout. Even when things where not going his away in the goal department he was finding a bit of the ball and getting some score assists on the board.
What happens at draft camp will determine whether Tom gets drafted. If the results are good then expect someone to have a good look at him. If the results are poor then clubs will more than likely pass again.

Bart McCulloch – 198cm, 83kg – South Launceston.
Ruckman from Tasmania who had a pretty good champ series. He has a bit to work on in his tap work but he sticks with the job and wears opponents down. He has good pace for a tall and can find the ball around the ground. His kicking could use some more consistency but overall his skills are pretty good. Can take a good mark and does not mind going for a run with the ball. Athletically he is very good. Being 198cm he was a bit undersized for the ruck but clubs will see potential for him to play in other areas.
Possible selection some time after the third round.

Xavier Gotch – 175cm, 71kg – Oakleigh Chargers/De La Selle
Like his old man there is not much of him but he knows how to find the ball. Works the clearances well and has good vision and hands in close. His skills are pretty good but he can be prone to wasting the ball at times. I have seen some games where I think he could work a bit harder but generally he is pretty good. His pace is good and he can kick goals when he goes forward.
Possible third round or later.

Tom Lynch – 191cm, 84kg – Sandringham Dragons / Haileybury College.
Good KP prospect who can play both ends of the ground. Takes a strong mark and has good pace for a big man. Knows where to lead to as a forward and his work rate is very good. His skills are pretty good and his defensive game is also pretty good. His goal kicking is ok and he sets up goals from CHF on a regular basis. Generally finds a lot of the ball which can be credited to work rate efforts. He had a knee reco last year so his efforts to get himself up and running for this years champs have been outstanding. If he did not miss so much time last year and early this year with injury he may well have been talked up as a genuine top 15 pick.
I can not see him being passed over. Should go second or third round.

HFF_07

29 Jul 2008, 20:37

Good read Ant. always one for a bit of smarts. :thumbsu::thumbsu:

Ludwig van Bertstare

29 Jul 2008, 20:38

Ryan Schoenmakers – 189cm, 85kg – Norwood.
Left foot CHF who had a good Champ series. Not overly tall for a CHF but moves well on the lead and takes a good mark. His pace is pretty good and he leads to the right areas on the ground. Skills are good and his goal kicking was pretty reliable.
I would be surprised if he does not get taken in the second or third rounds.

Could he be a Robert Murphy type?

Colin D'Cops

29 Jul 2008, 20:46

Pick 47 North Melbourne Football Club

Brent Harvey 172cm, 75kg

How is this bloke going atm, any one help me out here. please. Won an E.J whitten medal in his third season at the top, How did ben Mglynn play last year, was top 20 for inside 50s last year. was having high hopes for 'wee man' were the haws, but has sadly been struck down by injuries thus far. was taken with a rookie pic, but excelled in the ressies, so, my dear friend their is hope for this boy yet, and plenty of it. Look at Jamie Sheean, the young pure blonde kid from VM, dominated, had 25+ possies in the final game, and kicked a few very good goals, so, size is not everything.

One last thing, Campbell Brown, All Australian 2007, BP

Brent Harvey was quite speedy and still is quite speedy isn't he..?
McGlynn, not sure if he'll get another game with the Hawks this year, sure he is tough, but he doesn't have much else, and I wouldn't rate him as a player, looks good because of the quality of the Hawks side imo when playing. I never said size was everything but being a quite small size player and rather average speed makes it hard for you to make it to the top level, it's not rocket science but not to sure you have realized that. Jamie Sheahan has some nice dash, have seen quite a bit of him actually, he plays for Vic Country by the way, not sure where you got VM from, must of been reading the wrong article. He has nice dash, nice sprint on him and can can go forward creating a marking target and crumb goals. Of course there are always exceptions, Campbell Brown is one of them, but them picks are speculative and very lucky and hard to sought of find so it's better to use a later pick on them sorts, in my opinion of course. Just giving my opinion buddy, if you don't want to read them and don't like them, feel free to block me from looking at my messages because to be honest, I couldn't really give a stuff.

Colin D'Cops

29 Jul 2008, 20:48

Good write up Ant btw, top stuff. :thumbsu:

Colin D'Cops

29 Jul 2008, 20:51

Could he be a Robert Murphy type?

Yeah, that'd be a good comparison. Schoenmakers could possibly be a better mark overhead but Murphy could have a little better agility, but that'd be almost spot on. :thumbsu:

HFF_07

29 Jul 2008, 20:54

Brent Harvey was quite speedy and still is quite speedy isn't he..?
McGlynn, not sure if he'll get another game with the Hawks this year, sure he is tough, but he doesn't have much else, and I wouldn't rate him as a player, looks good because of the quality of the Hawks side imo when playing. I never said size was everything but being a quite small size player and rather average speed makes it hard for you to make it to the top level, it's not rocket science but not to sure you have realized that. Jamie Sheahan has some nice dash, have seen quite a bit of him actually, he plays for Vic Country by the way, not sure where you got VM from, must of been reading the wrong article. He has nice dash, nice sprint on him and can can go forward creating a marking target and crumb goals. Of course there are always exceptions, Campbell Brown is one of them, but them picks are speculative and very lucky and hard to sought of find so it's better to use a later pick on them sorts, in my opinion of course. Just giving my opinion buddy, if you don't want to read them and don't like them, feel free to block me from looking at my messages because to be honest, I couldn't really give a stuff.

I think we both have same opions of the bloke, just different views of where he may go. He is a good player, and will become a good player.
IMO:cool: