Merged Trade/Delistings threads - Part 2

[Merv]

Cheif wants all threads over 1000 posts closed and new threads opened.

He's the boss.

[kelvin_sheedy]

Cool.

Delist : Dyson :thumbsu:

[quotemokc]

I don't think we should delist Dyson he is a good player who hasn't been given his oppurtunities.

As for our current players of of contract this is my opinion on what should be done

Davey, Alwyn - 2008 Definately resign him
Hislop, Tom - 2008 Dont know much about him
Houli, Bachar - 2008 Resign he is a promising player
Johns, Courtney - 2008 Delist he has been a burden too long
Johnson, Jason - 2008 Might retire
Laycock, Jason - 2008 Delist hasn't met expectations
Lee, Andrew - 2008 Dont know much about him
Lonergan, Sam - 2008 Resign he is a great player
McVeigh, Mark - 2008 Resign we need the midfield experiance
Michael, Mal - 2008 Might retire
Monfries, Angus - 2008 Resign
Peverill, Damien - 2008 Give him a year when he has been played he has played well
Reimers, Kyle - 2008 Need i say more RESIGN!
Atkinson, Jarrod - 2008 (1st year rookie) too old to be a rookie
Chartres, Danny - 2008 (2nd year rookie) Dont know much about him
Dick, Dean - 2008 (2nd year rookie) Dont know much about him
Magin, Rhys - 2008 (1st year rookie) Dont know much about him

[The Dustbin]

We need to select a ruckman with our first rounder, which brings me to my next suggestion.

We all know about Warnock (Fre) current situation...
Why not offer Freo our first rounder? If we are going to use our first rounder on a young untried ruckman, why not use this pick on Warnock?

We'll still end up with a pick somewhere between 3-6. This will surely tempt Freo.

[Barnsey3150]

No way! he is not worth a 1st round pick.
We need to pick upthe best available player with our 1st round. EIther a midfielder or a defender. Look at Hill...we picked him up at pick 41 or something in the same year that Josh Fraser was the number 1 draft pick. Now who would be considered the better ruckman hey.

[Merv]

I don't think we should delist Dyson he is a good player who hasn't been given his oppurtunities.



That argument just never gets old for the Dyson lovers :cool:

[The Dustbin]

No way! he is not worth a 1st round pick.
We need to pick upthe best available player with our 1st round. EIther a midfielder or a defender. Look at Hill...we picked him up at pick 41 or something in the same year that Josh Fraser was the number 1 draft pick. Now who would be considered the better ruckman hey.

He may not be worth a first round pick, but unfortunately you have to give up something to get what you want. Okay, maybe a first round pick is a little extreme. Depending on the interest shown in him, Freo may be happy to accept a 2nd rounder then let him walk free into the PSD. The more interest in Warnock the more Freo are going to demand. We also don't know what Freo's demands are (Players or picks??).

I personally don't think Knighter or any of us would give up a high first round pick, it's just a suggestion from left field I thought I'd throw up for discussion...

For the record, I'd be more then happy if we used our # 1 draft pick on a kid. :thumbsu:

And yes Hille is better then Fraser. But we already knew that.

[slugger]

Out Retired:
JJ
Mal
Out Delist:
Johns
Lee
Possible Retire:
Rama
Might hang on:
Pev
Saved by a contract:
Dyson
Trade bait:
Lovett (I want him out)
Rookies gone:
Chartres
Dick (what the hell could anyone see in this bloke? and Sheeds said he'd be in the side by season's end)
Rookie might go:
Atkinson (only getting a game because of the injury list)

[dirtywhitepacker]

Retired:
Mal
JJ
Peverill
Rama (Possibility to give it away with the young mids coming through like Hocking and Hislop)

Delist:
C. Johns
A. Lee (Sad story for this bloke, was priming himself for a good year but injury struck him down)


Trade Bait:
R. Dyson (If no one wants him, then we let him go, someone might get him in PSD)
J. Laycock (Time to cut our losses and see if anyone wants to take him on, just not working in the Red and Black, if no one takes him, he is gone also)
J. Nash (Good skills, but unaccountable, if no one wants him, we keep him)

Rookie List:
D. Chartres - Gone, gave it a good go, but just isn't going to make AFL level.
D. Dick - Same thing as above
R. Magin - Now on the senior list, I think he will either stay on the senior list or remain a rookie for another year, this guy is a kid and I reckon he is meeting expectations of him at this point.
J. Atkinson - Also on the senior list, I think he will stay on the senior list. Has good skills by foot and hand, and great pace. Another season to build confidence to back himself and get used to the AFL footy.

[daniher dynasty]

While I am not opposed to the idea of offering Dyson for trade on an" all reasonable offers considered " basis , I suspect the only thing this particular this particular "bait" will land is a blowie. As I believe Dyson is on contract until the end of '09 we cant just let him go - at the very least we would be paying a years contract and having it on our salary cap bill even if we delist - not sure if we are even able to do this except with the player's consent

[daniher dynasty]

Dusty I think we'd have a problem snaring Warnock with a second rounder if the Dees are as interested as has been reported. I would say if games go with form( ie assuming we beat both WCE and Melb) our first 2 picks will be at 4 and 2nd round at 23, whereas Dees will pick at 1 or 2 and then get picks 17 or 18 (PP ) and 20 or 21. So can offer either of those latter two as a better trade to Freo than our 23. If we really want him we'd have to sweeten the deal by throwing in a player. If CJ hadn't gone down with a knee we might just have sold that, it being the Dockers. I'm not sure I can think of another of our WA boys we'd want to give away- any thoughts?

[HFF_07]

Laycock will stay, has been improving each week this year, and everyones nows his potential, he is getting better, and we arent going to delist with one other untried rookie ruckmen on our list, have a look at all the good ruckmen now, Cox was a rookie, Sandilands was a 2nd/3rd rounder, you cannot pick a ruckmen with your first pick, and expect him to be n A grade ruckmen, look at Collingwood, Josh Fraser, 10 years on, and he still isnt the dominant ruckmen in the league, he is a serviceable player, one that can change a game, but not one to play A grade each week,

Some one said, Davd Hille was pick 41, thats a 3rd rounder, what I am trying to say is that we should pick the best available player with our first pick, and another mid with our 2nd pick, try and pick up a ruck men with our 4th or even get one in the rookie draft, I like the look of Bellchambers, massive kid, with huge ability, so keep the faith with Laycock, when he starts to feel the pinch (form dropping off, Bellchambers playing well in VFL) then he may just start to pull his finger out, Laycock got into the right positions on Saturday, ok he missed the shots, did more than Dyson, Laycock at least got to the ball and had the oppurtunities to have shots at goal, I am sure that every AFL player has had a bad game in their careers, even the late retiree, James Hird. So give the bloke a break, and let him develop.

Another point, Hille is 27 at years end, Laycock 22. Hille is really only starting to show us how good he is consistantly this year, Laycock has got so much potential, probably more than Hille, Hille is determined to get the best out of himself, Laycock wants it to come to him, So persist with Laycock, as stated before, when Bellchambers develops and starts to put pressure on Laycock for his position. This may be a good challenge to him.

So enough of the rambling on.

<<<<<<<<KEEP LAYCOCK>>>>>>

[S.C[BANKS]]

We need to select a ruckman with our first rounder, which brings me to my next suggestion.

We all know about Warnock (Fre) current situation...
Why not offer Freo our first rounder? If we are going to use our first rounder on a young untried ruckman, why not use this pick on Warnock?

We'll still end up with a pick somewhere between 3-6. This will surely tempt Freo.

Let's not, I rather have Harlett or Zeib than Warnock.

[ravarma]

Out Retired:
JJ
Mal
Out Delist:
Johns
Lee
Possible Retire:
Rama
Might hang on:
Pev
Saved by a contract:
Dyson
Trade bait:
Lovett (I want him out)
Rookies gone:
Chartres
Dick (what the hell could anyone see in this bloke? and Sheeds said he'd be in the side by season's end)
Rookie might go:
Atkinson (only getting a game because of the injury list)
Atkinson is a gun did you watch the game against richmond. Lovett shouldn't go he is one of are best kicks and is soooooo consistent.

[reincarnated]

We need to select a ruckman with our first rounder, which brings me to my next suggestion.

There were talks in this forum before the last year's draft, that we didn't need a ruckman and that we already have Hille, Laycock and Ryder (as back up).

Now we've drafted Bellchambers in the last year's pre-season draft. So basically have 3 and a 4th as an emergency.

Why do we need to draft another ruckman? If Laycock was traded (possible) or delisted (unlikely) then maybe be we could think of a ruckman with our 2nd or 3rd pick.

If Laycock stayed, then we could look at a rookie ruckman.

Only ruckmen I would consider with our first pick is Big Nat and McKernan. But that's only if they were the best players available at our first pick.

[quotemokc]

WHY would we delist Lovett he is such a great player for our team even though he has off field problems I mean who doesn't if we delist I will never forgive Matthew Knights!

[The Dustbin]

There were talks in this forum before the last year's draft, that we didn't need a ruckman and that we already have Hille, Laycock and Ryder (as back up).

Since last year, Laycock has been disappointng this year. Too inconsistent. Next year when Fletch retires, Paddy will be our # 1 defender (If he isn't already).
That'll leave with us Hille, Laycock who I don't have that much confidence in and Bellchambers who is still developiing.

Now we've drafted Bellchambers in the last year's pre-season draft. So basically have 3 and a 4th as an emergency.

Why do we need to draft another ruckman? If Laycock was traded (possible) or delisted (unlikely) then maybe be we could think of a ruckman with our 2nd or 3rd pick.

So if Laycock is traded or delisted, Bellchambers will be the # 2 ruckman with a rookie ruckman drafted. That doesn't fill me with all that much confidence, but I won't be totally against it.
Bellchambers is not ready to be # 2 ruckman, still a few years away. Is coming along nicely.

If Laycock stayed, then we could look at a rookie ruckman.

Only ruckmen I would consider with our first pick is Big Nat and McKernan. But that's only if they were the best players available at our first pick.

Agree.

I hope Laycock does stay. But we need another ruckman putting pressure on him for his spot (Bellchambers has sought have been doing this, only cause Chook's form has been so poor.) . Knights has given Chook a good go this year, has dropped him a few times but has still shown confidence in him. Laycock is pretty much getting a game now, cause we don't have enough depth with our ruckman, like I've said Bellchambers isn't quite ready.

If we were to draft another ruckman via the draft. Laycock must stay to help the player develop with Bendigo.
We don't know what Knights is looking for in this draft, he may come out openly and tell us like year (I hope he does) or he may not....

Just remember after 09 Ryder will not be an option as a back up ruckman. Hopefully in 2010, Bellchambers is pushing for the # 2 ruckman spot. :thumbsu:

Like you said you can still get a good ruckman with a 2nd or 3 rounder.

[HFF_07]

Good post 'dustbin' very inciteful and true. :thumbsu::thumbsu:

[lemon chicken]

I don't think we should delist Dyson he is a good player who hasn't been given his oppurtunities.


Yeah your dead right about Dyson, I mean the guy must have only played about 3 games this year. I swear I havent sighted him in any others. :rolleyes:

[bomberstomake8]

We need to select a ruckman with our first rounder, which brings me to my next suggestion.

We all know about Warnock (Fre) current situation...
Why not offer Freo our first rounder? If we are going to use our first rounder on a young untried ruckman, why not use this pick on Warnock?

We'll still end up with a pick somewhere between 3-6. This will surely tempt Freo.

eh warnock wouldnt warrant a high first round pick. in this draft he would be lucky to warrant a pick under 20 especially because if he leaves its because he wants to leave.

to add to that most quality ruckmen dont come from a first round pick. pretty much all the good ruckmen come a lot later in the draft, laycock was a first round pick remember.

we will probably end up with pick 4 or 5... natanui and watts are definate goners, they will got top 2 or 3. rich may slide and if he does we should pick him up imo if not hurley will solve all our KP defender problems.

[bomberstomake8]

Since last year, Laycock has been disappointng this year. Too inconsistent. Next year when Fletch retires, Paddy will be our # 1 defender (If he isn't already).
That'll leave with us Hille, Laycock who I don't have that much confidence in and Bellchambers who is still developiing.



So if Laycock is traded or delisted, Bellchambers will be the # 2 ruckman with a rookie ruckman drafted. That doesn't fill me with all that much confidence, but I won't be totally against it.
Bellchambers is not ready to be # 2 ruckman, still a few years away. Is coming along nicely.



Agree.

I hope Laycock does stay. But we need another ruckman putting pressure on him for his spot (Bellchambers has sought have been doing this, only cause Chook's form has been so poor.) . Knights has given Chook a good go this year, has dropped him a few times but has still shown confidence in him. Laycock is pretty much getting a game now, cause we don't have enough depth with our ruckman, like I've said Bellchambers isn't quite ready.

If we were to draft another ruckman via the draft. Laycock must stay to help the player develop with Bendigo.
We don't know what Knights is looking for in this draft, he may come out openly and tell us like year (I hope he does) or he may not....

Just remember after 09 Ryder will not be an option as a back up ruckman. Hopefully in 2010, Bellchambers is pushing for the # 2 ruckman spot. :thumbsu:

Like you said you can still get a good ruckman with a 2nd or 3 rounder.

laycock wouldnt be delisted, another club would trade for him even if it was just a third rounder, he still has potential.. despite what i said after the richmond game

i am completely against recruiting a ruckmen with our first round pick. great ruckmen can be found anywhere in the draft... unless its someone like natanui or kruezer who are so highly rated i would never get a ruckmen

[cAsEy_18]

Do not draft a ruckman!! Ruckmen are a complete raffle at this young age. Cox = goes preseason. Best ruckman in the game by far. You are as good of a chance to get a good ruckman in the top 10 as you are in the 40's as you are in the preseason as you are in the rookie draft. That is because no-one can predict how ruckmen will develop. Hartlett is a must if he is available at our first pick. A key forward, a key back and 3-4 midfielders would be my wish list for this draft. THe rookie draft, and possibly preseason, there you can go for a ruckman.

[The Dustbin]

eh warnock wouldnt warrant a high first round pick. in this draft he would be lucky to warrant a pick under 20 especially because if he leaves its because he wants to leave.

to add to that most quality ruckmen dont come from a first round pick. pretty much all the good ruckmen come a lot later in the draft, laycock was a first round pick remember.

we will probably end up with pick 4 or 5... natanui and watts are definate goners, they will got top 2 or 3. rich may slide and if he does we should pick him up imo if not hurley will solve all our KP defender problems.

I know Warnock is not worth a pick inside the top 20. All i said was If we are going to use our first rounder on a young untried ruckman, why not use this pick on Warnock?

Just a thought that's not going to happen.

[The Dustbin]

laycock wouldnt be delisted, another club would trade for him even if it was just a third rounder, he still has potential.. despite what i said after the richmond game

You didn't read the part where I said "I hope Laycock stays". ;)

i am completely against recruiting a ruckmen with our first round pick. great ruckmen can be found anywhere in the draft... unless its someone like natanui or kruezer who are so highly rated i would never get a ruckmen

That is true. It's common knowledge that you can pick up and develop a ruckman with later picks. However Leaunberger, McEvoy, Kreuzer, McIntosh and Laycock have all gone in the top 10 in recent years.

Anyway it will come down to list management. Knights, Keane and Dodoro will decide what type of player we are in need of and once that is identified it's a matter of identifying the player/s and selecting the best player for that pick.

[The Dustbin]

WHY would we delist Lovett he is such a great player for our team even though he has off field problems I mean who doesn't if we delist I will never forgive Matthew Knights!

Personally I don't think Lovett is going away. Knights has already publicly stated on a few times how highly he ranks him.

The only problem with Lovett is that he is a repeat offender for his off field antics.

[adamcf]

I thought I'd just put it out there, but are there others thinking that we could go after a current ruckman at another club as a backup for Hille?

I could be mad, but would Jeff White be worth going after and getting rid of Laycock? Of course this depends on what he would cost but if he went into the PSD would he be worth getting?

[Ben the Gooner]

Who is more likely to be a part of an Essendon premiership team - the ever-improving Jason Laycock, or the can't-get-a-game-for-Melbourne Jeff White?

Think before you post.

[The Dustbin]

I thought I'd just put it out there, but are there others thinking that we could go after a current ruckman at another club as a backup for Hille?

I could be mad, but would Jeff White be worth going after and getting rid of Laycock? Of course this depends on what he would cost but if he went into the PSD would he be worth getting?

Replace White with Warnock and I think you would've got a little more support. ;)

[adamcf]

I was thinking purely as a stop gap between now and when Bellchambers is up and firing.. Yes, Warnock would be better, but at what cost?

[bomber69]

Laycock can definately still make it. Sign him on a one year contract, keep him on notice and see how next year goes. If the right offer comes up, I would not be opposed to trading him. I have alot of faith in Bellchambers. He has been solid all year for Bendigo, and just needs a bit of time to develop.

[FandangoDingo]

Yeah your dead right about Dyson, I mean the guy must have only played about 3 games this year. I swear I havent sighted him in any others. :rolleyes:

Look closely. He's running around in the "anti-play" (Parts of the ground to which the ball won't go). Either that, or he's running right next to another Essendon player who has the ball... just like a shadow, but not quite as useful. Ricky doesn't often show up on the TV coverage, but when he does, you'll notice he has a very intense and serious look on his face. That's gotta count for something! :o

That said, last week, at least he didn't turn the ball over with every touch and was far from our worst.... although his efficiency is still thereabouts!

I thought I'd just put it out there, but are there others thinking that we could go after a current ruckman at another club as a backup for Hille?

I could be mad, but would Jeff White be worth going after and getting rid of Laycock? Of course this depends on what he would cost but if he went into the PSD would he be worth getting?

You have my vote! ;) :D

I still think Laycock will come good and be a very good player for us. I admit that I thought he would move quicker in that direction this year, but it can be a slow process with the big fellas. We just need to be patient (like we were with Hille).... and be grateful that Hille has taken the massive step forward that he has. If we trade him prematurely, I reckon it will come back and haunt us. We've invested the time in him already and now he's finally got his body right. The rest will come.

[billylid]

hows about we secure Jeff white for one of two years and give belchambers a few years to develop.. Looks as though jeff will be available adn will give a better chop out to David Hille then Laycok does

[timbo3195]

hows about we secure Jeff white for one of two years and give belchambers a few years to develop.. Looks as though jeff will be available adn will give a better chop out to David Hille then Laycok does

And what if Bellchamber's doesn't develop well enough?
We'd be screwed when Hille retires a couple of years after.

[The Dustbin]

1/ David Hille still has at least 5 years of football left in him.
2/ Can we forget about Jeff White, he isn't even an option. Can't even get a game in the 16th ranked team. He's finished.

[HFF_07]

OK PEOPLE: END OF YEAR:

DELISTED:
Courtney Johns: Finished, no more patience with the big fella

RETIREES
Mal Michel: Finished, playing out the season
Jason Johnson: Injury riddled and looks slow, not apart of the future vision.


2009 RETIREES:
Dustin Fletcher: Time will come

A few statements for a few 'iffy' players.

Jason Laycock: Will not leave hille with one untried backup ruckmen, and has steadily improved, is still only 24.

Andrew Lee: Still only 22, knight has not really seen him play, with Fletcher and Michael retiements pending soon, i think they will not let go a tall position prospect go.

Damian Peverill: Has shown enough in his return to the senior side of late, to suggest he may stay on for another yearly contract.

Adam Ramanauskas: Am not sure where rama is at with his footy, seems to be found wanting lately, and with the new breed of bombers having more to offer the team, he may be found wanting a place in the seniors next year.

These are just what I feel may happen, Dyson is contracted until 2009, so unfortunatley is not going anywhere.

[Knight Ryders]

[quote=dirtywhitepacker;11786574]Retired:

Trade Bait:

J. Nash (Good skills, but unaccountable, if no one wants him, we keep him)

I don't get the bagging of this kid. He has tremendous skill for a kid his age and there is an amazing amount of upside in Nash. Apart from the top notch young AFL players (Cotchin, Gibbs and Selwood), most young players need time to develop there decision making.

In saying that, he's SA boy who could be a good straight swap for either Reilly or Knights (Vic boys). Win/win situation for both clubs.

[ant555]

[quote=dirtywhitepacker;11786574]Retired:

Trade Bait:

J. Nash (Good skills, but unaccountable, if no one wants him, we keep him)

I don't get the bagging of this kid. He has tremendous skill for a kid his age and there is an amazing amount of upside in Nash. Apart from the top notch young AFL players (Cotchin, Gibbs and Selwood), most young players need time to develop there decision making.

In saying that, he's SA boy who could be a good straight swap for either Reilly or Knights (Vic boys). Win/win situation for both clubs.

If you think that the Crows would be happy to swap Knights for Nash then you had better realign your thinking cap ;)

[ant555]

OK PEOPLE: END OF YEAR:

DELISTED:
Courtney Johns: Finished, no more patience with the big fella

RETIREES
Mal Michel: Finished, playing out the season
Jason Johnson: Injury riddled and looks slow, not apart of the future vision.


2009 RETIREES:
Dustin Fletcher: Time will come

A few statements for a few 'iffy' players.

Jason Laycock: Will not leave hille with one untried backup ruckmen, and has steadily improved, is still only 24.

Andrew Lee: Still only 22, knight has not really seen him play, with Fletcher and Michael retiements pending soon, i think they will not let go a tall position prospect go.

Damian Peverill: Has shown enough in his return to the senior side of late, to suggest he may stay on for another yearly contract.

Adam Ramanauskas: Am not sure where rama is at with his footy, seems to be found wanting lately, and with the new breed of bombers having more to offer the team, he may be found wanting a place in the seniors next year.

These are just what I feel may happen, Dyson is contracted until 2009, so unfortunatley is not going anywhere.

Pev is finished as well. If McVeigh,Hislop,Houli or Hocking where all fully fit he would not be in the side.
Just on Lee you are forgeting that Knights had been coaching Bendigo for the whole time that Lee has actually played in the VFL. Pretty sure he has seen him play ;)

[Knight Ryders]

[quote=Knight Ryders;11833755]

If you think that the Crows would be happy to swap Knights for Nash then you had better realign your thinking cap ;)

Yep, you are right. Coming from Adelaide I've seen a lot of Knights and he can potentially be a top-line midfielder. Wishful thinking may be!!! Reilly would be a good swap though, the Crows don't have seemed to have got the best out of Reilly. He would add some speed and silk to our midfield. A good partner for Stanton (not at Stanton's standard atm, but could be as good if he stayed fit for a whole season).

Knights can find the ball 30 times a match no problem, but he is still burning a lot of ball.

[ant555]

1/ David Hille still has at least 5 years of football left in him.
2/ Can we forget about Jeff White, he isn't even an option. Can't even get a game in the 16th ranked team. He's finished.

The White idea is not as bad as it sounds if we can get him cheap. He is not getting a game at Melbourne at the moment because the Demons are not all that interested in winning games. Their focus is developing the ruckman they have who are in the 22 to 24 year old bracket.
We have to draft another ruckman this year at some stage of the draft but that will still put our next level of ruckman 3 ot 40 years away.
We will have to decide if we continue down the Laycock road or we go after an experienced ruckman to play second string to Hille for a couple of seasons. White could be that cheap option.
I have pretty much discounted Ryder as a ruck option becasue i think he fills our defensive roles better and will be better as a defender than he will ever be as a round the ground ruckman.

[dirtywhitepacker]

[quote=dirtywhitepacker;11786574]

Trade Bait:

J. Nash (Good skills, but unaccountable, if no one wants him, we keep him)

I don't get the bagging of this kid. He has tremendous skill for a kid his age and there is an amazing amount of upside in Nash. Apart from the top notch young AFL players (Cotchin, Gibbs and Selwood), most young players need time to develop there decision making.

In saying that, he's SA boy who could be a good straight swap for either Reilly or Knights (Vic boys). Win/win situation for both clubs.

Mate, I completely understand that there is a lot of upside with this kid. But admittedly, there is a down side to him as well. First of all, where is his position in the best 22? He is a streaming HBF really, you'd assume Courtney Dempsey and David Myers would be the two HBF's in the best 22. Now having said this, he'd be a great depth player definitely. The slight criticism I had for Nash was that he is fairly unaccountable. You don't generally seeing him chasing, or manning up in defense when the ball goes the other way. How many times, when the opposition or on the counter, a mark is taken on the 50, then you more often than not see a spare opposition player all on his own providing an uncontested target for an easy shot on goal. I'd just like to see him have more of a presence when the ball comes back down his end. That's the only criticism I have for him, because I think his skills are just fantastic, and his game today against the Pies was one of the best I've seen all year, and in his career.

[Windas_Magic]

Elevate Atkinson and give him a one year deal.

Retire:
Mal
Pev
JJ
Rama

De-list:
Johns
Lee
Dick (rookie)
Chartres (rookie)

Traid Bait
Lovett

Not a huge cleanout and i don't think we'll be overly active during trade week. Nash and Monfries were talked up as potential trade bait but i think they've been great (especially Angus) in recent weeks

[Daytripper]

Elevate Atkinson and give him a one year deal.

Retire:
Mal
Pev
JJ
Rama

De-list:
Johns
Lee
Dick (rookie)
Chartres (rookie)

Traid Bait
Lovett

Not a huge cleanout and i don't think we'll be overly active during trade week. Nash and Monfries were talked up as potential trade bait but i think they've been great (especially Angus) in recent weeks

That is 6 changes - seems like a pretty big clean out to me. :confused:

I reckon Pev has been great lately and may have earned himself one more season.

Our good form is making the end of year changes very difficult. We most probably have to make 4 but could get away with 3 if needed. Only two definites would be JJ and Johns.

Retire :
JJ
Mal ?

Delist
Johns
Williams ?

The doubtful list would include Pev, Mal, Rama and Williams.

Lee will be safe I think.

[dirtywhitepacker]

I think I read somewhere that we have to cut our list to 35 for the first list lodgement excluding rookie listed players. Did I completely mis-read this? Can someone please clarify?

[RyderFahey]

peverill is terrible he goes to ground quicker than hail

[HFF_07]

Pev is finished as well. If McVeigh,Hislop,Houli or Hocking where all fully fit he would not be in the side.
Just on Lee you are forgeting that Knights had been coaching Bendigo for the whole time that Lee has actually played in the VFL. Pretty sure he has seen him play ;)

I was unaware of this, sorry:o. I just feel with the clean out of talls in the next couple of years, that we may stick with him, and let him string together a few games, and see where he comes along, ok, it may be this year, but give the kid (22y.o) a go.

As for Peverill, I feel he will be a good depth player for us, until the likes of Hisop, Hocking, Houli and all the young kids are all ready to play alongside each other. He still is only 29.

I am also having some suspicionas over Rama, after yesterdays game, he seems to get lost in space a few times. And really isnt 'owning' a position to make his own. FP - No good really, searching for kicks on the wing. BP - Too slow for the genuine 'small forwards'.

[bomberwelsh]

Any chane we should trade Lovett?:confused:

[timbo3195]

Any chane we should trade Lovett?:confused:

If it was up to me we would, haha.
But I guess SOMETIMES he is a valuable asset to our team.

There isn't enough room for him, Winderlich, Dempsey, Davey, Jetta and so on.. in our team.

I think either Lovett or Winderlich should be offered as traid bait as they both have some trade value.
I'd prefer to trade Lovett though as he is older and probably has more value than Winders.

Thoughts? ;)

[ant555]

We dont want to be hanging onto depth players coming into this draft. It is one draft where you will want to take 5 picks.
Yes Pev has been ok in recent weeks but he does not break the game open or really run the lines hard. A lot of his possessions and little give and go handballs or rushed kicks. He does not send any real fear into the opposition despite the fact he has been reasonably good since he has come back into the side.
This whole hang onto him as a depth player is garbage. Hocking, Lonergan,Houli, Myers, Magin, Winderlich and Hislop have to provide the depth in this area behind McVeigh,Watson and Welsh (on recent form). The depth players need to be young blokes on the rise followed up by your draftee's and not older blokes at the end of the road.

[dirtywhitepacker]

I think I read somewhere that we have to cut our list to 35 for the first list lodgement excluding rookie listed players. Did I completely mis-read this? Can someone please clarify?

I see no one knows how this all works? If we do have to cut the list down, then I sadly think Pev has to go. If we don't, I think Pev has done enough for another contract...

[Merv]

I see no one knows how this all works? If we do have to cut the list down, then I sadly think Pev has to go. If we don't, I think Pev has done enough for another contract...

You can cut your list by as many as you like.

It used to be compulsory that you had to cut at least 4 players but now you don't have to if you don't want to participate.

[dirtywhitepacker]

Ok, cheers for that ^

[warney7]

Elevate Atkinson and give him a one year deal.

Retire:
Mal
Pev
JJ
Rama

De-list:
Johns
Lee
Dick (rookie)
Chartres (rookie)

Traid Bait
Lovett



Looks spot on to me!

Might see Rama for another year though. You don't want to have too many kids and go backwards next year.

[Hislop200]

What are peoples thoughts on trading for example Lovett to WC for say Staker and their 2nd rounder.
He is tall and quick and could help us out in defence, still young 23 24, could turn out to be a bargain or at least depth.

[Kaiser Powser]

What are peoples thoughts on trading for example Lovett to WC for say Staker and their 2nd rounder.
He is tall and quick and could help us out in defence, still young 23 24, could turn out to be a bargain or at least depth.

Hell, i'd take West Coasts 2nd rounder for Lovett. will be about pick 18, so that should be a handy one and would give us 3-4 decent picks before Gold Coast raid the draft.

[bombersno1]

I don't want to give him up but if we could get Lovett for Hawthorn's pick 14 or WC's PP (pick 18) I'd give him up!

[HFF_07]

IMO, that only Hawthorn would be interested in a deal with Lovett, if anyone, they need that explosive outside midfielder cum forward, that Lovett is, but with the explosion of Rioli (And Stoke to a lesser extent) onto the scene, they are really building towards something, so they may not want Lovett,

[Bombers36]

Should go/retire:

JJ
Mal
Peverill
Rama

Delist:

A. Lee - andrew who??
C. Johns - been given a few goes but injury/form havent helped him
J. Laycock - please please please go. may even get a trade for him if if a team wants to pick someone up on supposed potential rather than actual performance....
Bellchamberss - Not up to it
D. Dick - who??
Williams - hasnt made an impact
Charters - hasnt made an impact

Trade Potential

J. Nash
Dyson
Lovett
Winderlich

[Merv]

Should go/retire:

JJ
Mal
Peverill
Rama

Delist:

A. Lee - andrew who??
C. Johns - been given a few goes but injury/form havent helped him
J. Laycock - please please please go. may even get a trade for him if if a team wants to pick someone up on supposed potential rather than actual performance....
Bellchamberss - Not up to it
D. Dick - who??
Williams - hasnt made an impact
Charters - hasnt made an impact

Trade Potential

J. Nash
Dyson
Lovett
Winderlich

:cool:

[ant555]

Should go/retire:

Bellchamberss - Not up to it




Are you trying to get into the nominations for "The Essendon board tool of the year" ?

18 year old ruckman and after half a season you are going to delist him :rolleyes:

[7zark7]

Bellchamberss - Not up to it
Williams - hasnt made an impact



Good job you weren't in charge when Lonergan was heading into his third season.

FFS these blokes have not even had a season to prove themselves!!!!!

[longytap]

I think we need to do everything in our power to lure another quility ruckman to the club. look at most of the great sides over the years and they all have 2 quality ruckman. laycock won't make it and bellchambers is a while off yet. Is there any coming out of contract???
Hate to think what would happen if hille went down. its the only area we have no depth.:thumbsu:

[The Dustbin]

Should go/retire:

JJ
Mal
Peverill
Rama

Delist:

A. Lee - andrew who??
C. Johns - been given a few goes but injury/form havent helped him
J. Laycock - please please please go. may even get a trade for him if if a team wants to pick someone up on supposed potential rather than actual performance....
Bellchamberss - Not up to it
D. Dick - who??
Williams - hasnt made an impact
Charters - hasnt made an impact

Trade Potential

J. Nash
Dyson
Lovett
Winderlich

Have you seen Bellchambers play for Bendigo this year?

[HFF_07]

Are you trying to get into the nominations for "The Essendon board tool of the year" ?

18 year old ruckman and after half a season you are going to delist him :rolleyes:

Aswell as John Williams, came to the club with an injury and is only really starting to get an extended run in the magoos, so leavethe kids alone.

[HFF_07]

Are you trying to get into the nominations for "The Essendon board tool of the year" ?

18 year old ruckman and after half a season you are going to delist him :rolleyes:

Williams aswell, came to the club with an injury and they wanna get rid of him, Ant, he wants tool of the year i think,

[Thrust]

Kerr + Cousins is top 4 methinks

So if our first rounder is unable to pick up Hurley, Hartlett or Ziebell I wouldn't be against a trade of Lovett + 1st rounder for Kerr if that would work and Cousins as 2nd/3rd rounder or PSD

don't know if they'd go for that or if it's that beneficial to Essendon but there you go.

[mark1881]

In my opinion the following will 100% happen.
Retire:
Mal
Pev
JJ

De-list:
Johns (Possibly a trade with Adelaide since they are desperate for a forward and I think Johns is from SA, although I highly doubt they'll cough up any sort've pick for an unproven older player with an injury list like his.)

Possibilities:
De-List:
Dick (rookie)
Chartres (rookie)

Possible Trades
Lovett (I'd rather see picks for him than another player. Unless it involves Daniel Kerr)


I seriously can't see anyone else being traded away. Not from the way Knights talks about them and I reckon he is 100% on the ball. Some players need more time than others. Winder and Dyson get mentioned a bit but if they can both get close to 100% fit they will show how good they can be. Especially Winder, I rate him quite highly.

With other players playing well it enables guys like them to play better as well.

[daffo]

I think Charters will be given one more year. Knights is a fan of him. I also think there will be one more player de-listed. We will make room for 5 new players in the draft + go for one player via a trade. Eg : Kerr or Brismall.

[bipolarbeaR]

I think we should try and get hold of Sylvia I think he is a great player but gets stuck in two minds and doesn't have faith in his skill. I believe that Knights could bring that skill out in him.

[bipolarbeaR]

You are right :)
What do you guys reckon of Courtney Johns for Colin Sylvia?

[Merv]

You are right :)
What do you guys reckon of Courtney Johns for Colin Sylvia?

Nobody would take Johns in a trade and even if we delist him i doubt anyone would pick him up

[bipolarbeaR]

Does Courtney Johns actually have any ability that stands out compared to an average AFL player? lol

[Empire_Persian]

There is some speculation here that Reimers is thinking about coming home. There is only 2 clubs he can go to (Dockers or Eagles), though supposedly he was an Eagles fan when younger.

What do you Bomber fans think about a straight swap (remembering that both of us want to keep our draft picks).

McKinley for Reimers

For those who dont know who McKinley is, this is basically his first season of AFL and he has become our leading goal-kicker. Has a mature head but needs to work on his defensive game.

PS. he was a Bomber fan whilst growing up


Your opinions ?

[Windas_Magic]

LOL if you think Reimers will go :o

[bomberstomake8]

There is some speculation here that Reimers is thinking about coming home. There is only 2 clubs he can go to (Dockers or Eagles), though supposedly he was an Eagles fan when younger.

What do you Bomber fans think about a straight swap (remembering that both of us want to keep our draft picks).

McKinley for Reimers

For those who dont know who McKinley is, this is basically his first season of AFL and he has become our leading goal-kicker. Has a mature head but needs to work on his defensive game.

PS. he was a Bomber fan whilst growing up


Your opinions ?

pft my opinion is the post is not worthy of being read

[Go Gully]

We'll take Kerr

[OzBomber]

Hopefully not. Let's hope he isn't home sick and can become a gun for the Bombers.

[bomberlegend2007]

He will not leave, he is just finding his feet at Essendon

Looks like wishful thinking

[dave_27]

There is some speculation here that Reimers is thinking about coming home.

Please. What garbage.

[Empire_Persian]

The key word is speculation. So dont get your knickers in a knot.

Nobody answered my question (maybe to busy getting carried away with hypotheticals). Remeirs for McKinley, do you consider that fair ?

Personally, I think McKinley will do you well (not to say that your team doesnt need Reimers). Lucas & Lloyd are coming towards the end of their careers, so you need some full-forwards ...

[Spikey]

Gumby and Neagle.

[NewBabyBombaz]

Personally i think Reimers is superior to Mckinely, he is a game winner, cool under pressure and a rising star nominee, not to mention his pure character, Mckinely has done quite well but in a depleted forward line, would have to do a little better, maybe Masten of Ebert, maybe that is a bit much but i cant think of others in the categry! but no to Mckinely

[Johnny619]

If Reimers left I would be so devostated.

[The Dustbin]

http://www.latestbuy.com.au/img/product-Images/bull-350b.jpg

[Bombers1234]

Throw in your priority pick and we've got a deal. I rate Mckinley very highly indeed.

[Enki]

Personally, I think McKinley will do you well (not to say that your team doesnt need Reimers). Lucas & Lloyd are coming towards the end of their careers, so you need some full-forwards ...

I like McKinley, I really do, but Reimers is probably worth more to us. Firstly if we traded Reimers we would probably need to find another outside mid to fill his place on the list and what are the chances we would be able to nab such a good player at pick 40 something again?

Secondly, Reimers is having a great year but not having had much game time in the past still probably has plenty of improvement in him, plus he has that certain element about him that some call x-factor, I just call it good reading of the game and creative football.

Thirdly, as someone said we have Gumby and Neagle to come through as forwards and both of them are well rated at the club so we are not really as troubled as you might think for forwards.

Would I do the deal, no. Not unless young Kyle had Judd Syndrome and wanted to leave no matter what.

[essendon2008]

Dad, some guys asking for Reimers and he'll give us McKinley in return.

DARRELL: tell him hes dreamin

but seriously NO

We don't need another forward. Especially if he isn't proven just yet. Reimers hasn't fully proven himself yet but he looks good and we need players of his type

[bomber69]

You got MCKINLEYED!!

Mmm nah sorry, just doesn't have the right ring to it.

But seriously.. What a load of SHIT

[bombersno1]

Give us Mitch Brown..that is the ONLY one I'd want for Reimers. McKinley well he aint worth discussing!

[ManWithNoName]

Johns
Johnson
Lee
Peverill

[B-Bomber]

There is some speculation here that Reimers is thinking about coming home. There is only 2 clubs he can go to (Dockers or Eagles), though supposedly he was an Eagles fan when younger.

What do you Bomber fans think about a straight swap (remembering that both of us want to keep our draft picks).

McKinley for Reimers

For those who dont know who McKinley is, this is basically his first season of AFL and he has become our leading goal-kicker. Has a mature head but needs to work on his defensive game.

PS. he was a Bomber fan whilst growing up


Your opinions ?

I'm not sure Mckinley is the kind of player we're after at the moment -- Reimers is one of the reasons for our increasing form at the moment (an outside mid with real attacking flare, who finishes really well) so we would need either like for like, like an Ebert (I know he plays differently but still more outside then Masten) or a tall who can play down back (Full back, to be precise). McKinley doesn't seem to fit that role either.

We have Neagle, Gumbleton, Hooker, Daniher all as tall forward options for the future. I don't see a spot for McKinley, as promising as he has been for you guys.

Besides, Reimers has one of those qualities that are oh so rare: marketability. Kind of player that puts bums on seats -- people get excited to watch.

[Tambu]

Yes and Gumbleton is depressed at Essendon. Wants to be traded due to home sickness. Oh wait...

[Empire_Persian]

Thanks for your replies: B-Bomber, bombersno1, Enki and bombers1234.

If I was a Bombers fan I wouldnt want to give Reimers up either. He looks very good (so early on) and he is indeed a match-winner.

Nevertheless, if he did want to come home I would give alot to see him in Blue & Gold.

Cheers

[ant555]

There is some speculation here that Reimers is thinking about coming home. There is only 2 clubs he can go to (Dockers or Eagles), though supposedly he was an Eagles fan when younger.

What do you Bomber fans think about a straight swap (remembering that both of us want to keep our draft picks).

McKinley for Reimers

For those who dont know who McKinley is, this is basically his first season of AFL and he has become our leading goal-kicker. Has a mature head but needs to work on his defensive game.

PS. he was a Bomber fan whilst growing up


Your opinions ?

Every year it comes up as specualtion from someone in the west that one of our WA boys want's to go home. So far Kepler Bradley is the only one to leave ;)

[Smyth94]

Every year it comes up as specualtion from someone in the west that one of our WA boys want's to go home. So far Kepler Bradley is the only one to leave ;)

I'd be worried if we only had one or two WA boys...but we've got about 10 and they have all come up together through the juniors so they would know each other pretty well - I'm certain that helps

[bombersno1]

Nevertheless, if he did want to come home I would give alot to see him in Blue & Gold.


Exactly, and probably the reason this won't happen. WC would have to give up a VERY GOOD youngster, and I am talking Mitch Brown sort of quality and frankly WC won't do it and neither will Essendon!

[Big Blow Hard]

The article today.
The poor game today, and poor form for the last month.
I wonder if the end is Nigh for Rama.
We all love him, but I think this will definitely be his last year if his form does not change drastically.

[OzBomber]

What was the article?

[Big Blow Hard]

Bit of an article on how Knights and him discussed his future, and decided he should go on another year. Think it was today.

[essendon2008]

Bit of an article on how Knights and him discussed his future, and decided he should go on another year. Think it was today.

Where was this article?