View Full Version : VFL GF @ Telstra Dome a joke!!!
walhawk
25 Aug 2008, 00:25
With Casey (no fans other that a few Saints), Port (maybe 1000 or so diehards) and North Ballarat (not even popular in Ballarat), the most likely to be there on the 'big night', they will be lucky to draw 5000.
Bad, bad idea.
My North
26 Aug 2008, 15:38
I will probably go.
Paddy_Mac
26 Aug 2008, 19:48
I'm going.
I reckon a few neutrals will go.
bush_tucker77
27 Aug 2008, 11:58
ill be going, i reckon thats right a few neutrals will come along, it should be heavily promoted to get a good crowd in
WeHateTheDrummer
27 Aug 2008, 16:20
With Casey (no fans other that a few Saints), Port (maybe 1000 or so diehards) and North Ballarat (not even popular in Ballarat), the most likely to be there on the 'big night', they will be lucky to draw 5000.
Bad, bad idea.
If North do get in, i'd be going but cannot see more than 1000 people from Ballarat making the trip.
Agree bad idea.
Anthony43
27 Aug 2008, 17:37
It's a great idea. Think of the experience and occasion for those involved. And to what down side? Please don't say money either cos that's not one.
I don't think you people have any idea what you're talking about. They play Under 18 regional cricket grand finals at the MCG and those game are lucky to get 200 people there.
Regardless of how many get there (i reckon they'll get more than expected) it's a great way to kick off Grand Final weekend and should be done every year.
Should play it at Port Melbourne, I think they will get 1000-2000 at the dome
jonesy86
27 Aug 2008, 20:55
It's a good idea and will be even better when interstate teams make the AFL GF as there will be thousands of football fans in town with not much better to do and would probably jump at the idea of watching some AFL listed players play at the Telstra Dome where they will be able to wonder around and sit where they like.
I personally can't wait. And I agree with those posters who think that nuetral supporters will attend. I attended the under 18's mid way through the year and roughly 5,000 people there and I reckon half of them were passers-by. The same will happen with the GF.
Great Idea!!
Bradles1
27 Aug 2008, 21:35
With Casey (no fans other that a few Saints), Port (maybe 1000 or so diehards) and North Ballarat (not even popular in Ballarat), the most likely to be there on the 'big night', they will be lucky to draw 5000.
Bad, bad idea.
hey nungbat I dont care whos playing , Im going So will lots of other people night before afl grand final lots of travelers in to (corprate, interstate ppl) will be in town they hav been pulling 15-20 k on a sunday to optus oval for the last 5 years so get ur knowledge up first... They will get 30-40 k in easy
Bradles1
27 Aug 2008, 21:36
Should play it at Port Melbourne, I think they will get 1000-2000 at the dome
good to see you know a lot about the vfl ya Numnut
Cotchin 9
27 Aug 2008, 23:31
Went to the VFL grand final last year, will be going again.
onslaught
27 Aug 2008, 23:36
Well I'll be going for one (whether or not the Borough make it through to the big one).
Ideally Port v Willy could draw a decent crowd. Especially if the AFL get behind it and promote its as a drawcard game for the 150 year celebrations.
Had Cousins played for Port and qualified for finals it would have been a tremendous media boost. I'm a little concerned that the game will get lost amongst the build-up to the AFL Grand Final... Hope I'm wrong on that!
eddiesmith
28 Aug 2008, 01:11
Friday night before the grand final, it should draw one of its biggest crowds, there will be surely plenty of people interested in seeing some footy as for most it will be their last chance for the year having missed out on GF tickets
Surely it could outdraw the legends match?
Mitchell Madness
28 Aug 2008, 14:37
why. TAC Grand Final is pre-luding, sorry i mean curtain rasing it. so you will get all the school kids going along to support their mates running around in TAC cup. They will hang around for the VFL, which will help promote the comp which is on a very mediorcre path as of late.
i went last year and it was fantastic i'll definatly head down again this year and i hope it draws a good crowd and i hope the roof is shut.
FrangaRoo
2 Sep 2008, 20:07
I cant wait. I'll be going whether Dolphins,Nth Ballarat, Werribee are in it or not.
I reckon its a great idea, Optus Oval is impossible to get to.
:thumbsu:
Lol at those who think 1-2k will rock up....no idea at all.
I cant wait. I'll be going whether Dolphins,Nth Ballarat, Werribee are in it or not.
I reckon its a great idea, Optus Oval is impossible to get to.
:thumbsu:
Lol at those who think 1-2k will rock up....no idea at all.
agreed. i nearly got stabbed twice trying to get home last year.
ourmangibbo38
3 Sep 2008, 11:14
and if north ballarat play werribee, i encourage all North melbourne fans to get there, as we will be part of the winning and losing team
patto_man
6 Sep 2008, 15:25
im probably going to go will be good but there isnt really much point it been at the dome they are going to loss heaps of money for a max of about 15000 probably wont even get that but imstill going to try and go
Magpies696
7 Sep 2008, 18:43
Im going
Looking like North Ballarat V Port or Willi.
Crowd will be under 10K.
Silly.
rdhopkins2
10 Sep 2008, 18:10
Tickets I believe are $25 but a curtain raiser scheduled beforehand.
Randall
10 Sep 2008, 19:23
Looking like North Ballarat V Port or Willi.
Crowd will be under 10K.
Silly.
Unfortunately, walhawk I think u are spot-on here. North Ballarat have a very small supporter base, and with the game being in Melbourne at night, most of those are unlikely to travel.
There will be extremely minimal North Melbourne fans there.
With the VFL "hoping" for 20-30,000, I cannot see any way on this Earth that the crowd will be anywhere near that.
With a crowd of around 8,000, in my opinion, you'd think the VFL will lose a mountain of money on this supposed showpiece event.
There's no other way to view this, other than a nail in the VFL's coffin, I think.
With Essendon now likely to join Geelong and Collingwood as a stand-alone VFL club next year, with the advantages now in place for AFL teams to field stand-alone sides, and the benefits regarding the ability to play players wherever they want them, etc., sadly I believe the AFL reserves will be reborn in the next 10 years or so.
The remaining VFL teams, such as Port Melbourne and Frankston, will probably simply go into the local leagues, such as the MPNFL, etc., and this will spell the end of over 130 years of history.
I simply cannot see any way for the VFL to survive. If the VFL could hang on for another 50 years, somehow, then I believe it could be reborn a bit, with seemingly less teams in Melbourne by then, the AFL could try and actually look after the VFL and stop all Sunday games in Melbourne, and give Sunday back to its rightful owner.
Having said this, I simply cannot see the VFL surviving long enough to see this happen. Maybe down the track, such a scenario would allow the VFL to be reborn, but I believe the VFL, in the meantime, will depart us. Sadly, in my eyes.
CHBench
10 Sep 2008, 23:16
Anyone know roughly how many turned out last year?
walhawk
11 Sep 2008, 00:18
Randall, I had not heard that Essendon were going alone. That would be the end of Bendigo then. Shame as QE Oval is a great venue.
It is a miracal Nth Ballarat has survived with minimal community support. They have $$$ but it may have been better to have had a more representative regional team.
I agree the VFL will not survive. It is virtually an under 22 comp nowadays anyway.
But I'm not sure that it would be a bad thing for the old VFA clubs to go back to suburban comps. The EFL gets bigger crowds than the VFL anyway.
The VFL has some horrible allignments at present. Why isn't Coburb with Carlton or Essendon who have similat colours and location?
I loved the VFL when the alignments first kicked off. There used to be a real buzz at Box Hill.
The competition is so half baked - a bit like this post (I'm very tired).
onslaught
11 Sep 2008, 01:01
Anyone know roughly how many turned out last year?
About 9000 I think.
finders
11 Sep 2008, 05:59
Unfortunately, walhawk I think u are spot-on here. North Ballarat have a very small supporter base, and with the game being in Melbourne at night, most of those are unlikely to travel.
There will be extremely minimal North Melbourne fans there.
With the VFL "hoping" for 20-30,000, I cannot see any way on this Earth that the crowd will be anywhere near that.
With a crowd of around 8,000, in my opinion, you'd think the VFL will lose a mountain of money on this supposed showpiece event.
There's no other way to view this, other than a nail in the VFL's coffin, I think.
With Essendon now likely to join Geelong and Collingwood as a stand-alone VFL club next year, with the advantages now in place for AFL teams to field stand-alone sides, and the benefits regarding the ability to play players wherever they want them, etc., sadly I believe the AFL reserves will be reborn in the next 10 years or so.
The remaining VFL teams, such as Port Melbourne and Frankston, will probably simply go into the local leagues, such as the MPNFL, etc., and this will spell the end of over 130 years of history.
I simply cannot see any way for the VFL to survive. If the VFL could hang on for another 50 years, somehow, then I believe it could be reborn a bit, with seemingly less teams in Melbourne by then, the AFL could try and actually look after the VFL and stop all Sunday games in Melbourne, and give Sunday back to its rightful owner.
Having said this, I simply cannot see the VFL surviving long enough to see this happen. Maybe down the track, such a scenario would allow the VFL to be reborn, but I believe the VFL, in the meantime, will depart us. Sadly, in my eyes.
Well said and spot on IMHO!
Will be lucky to get 8000 to the Dome!
The current VFL? is a nothing bastardised competition with no soul or real basis for existence apart from propping up the worst run AFL clubs in Melbourne.
Most of the original VFA club supporters wont have bar of the current VFL and if you look at the pathetic crowds they now get compared to the VFA days the competiton is already dead in the water and just waiting to die.
finders
11 Sep 2008, 06:00
Anyone know roughly how many turned out last year?
About 8000.
Minka Beaver
11 Sep 2008, 20:15
Last year's crowd was 13,842.
In 2006 (with bad weather) it was about 8,700 (can't remember the precise number).
I think they'll get 12,000-15,000. High ticket prices for a state league event will make it very hard to attract the 15,000-20,000 that they could otherwise have attracted, as will the increasing likelihood that no competing club will have an alignment with an AFL Grand Finalist.
Randall
11 Sep 2008, 21:56
Randall, I had not heard that Essendon were going alone. That would be the end of Bendigo then. Shame as QE Oval is a great venue.
It is a miracal Nth Ballarat has survived with minimal community support. They have $$$ but it may have been better to have had a more representative regional team.
I agree the VFL will not survive. It is virtually an under 22 comp nowadays anyway.
But I'm not sure that it would be a bad thing for the old VFA clubs to go back to suburban comps. The EFL gets bigger crowds than the VFL anyway.
The VFL has some horrible allignments at present. Why isn't Coburb with Carlton or Essendon who have similat colours and location?
I loved the VFL when the alignments first kicked off. There used to be a real buzz at Box Hill.
The competition is so half baked - a bit like this post (I'm very tired).
I think u r again spot-on walhawk in that it'll probably be a pretty good thing for the Port Melbournes and Frankstons to go back into their local leagues. It'll get some real community passion and fire back at their games, like used to be the case back in the 1970s in the VFA.
The old VFA used to be just a bigger suburban competition, where people from neighboring suburbs would go to war with each other. There was genuine passion involved: genuine elation at victory, and genuine sadness at defeat. Now, there's none of that. When a team kicks a goal, most of the time u could hear a pin drop. That emotion has just gone, for the most part. With the AFL alignments, it's mostly AFL supporters simply there to cast an eye over their team's next generation.
Plus, as u rightfully mention walhawk, the crowds, not only at EFL, but all suburban and many country leagues would outstrip those at the VFL. Because it's genuine tribal war, one suburb against its neighbor, just like the old VFA. That's mostly been lost in the VFL now, with so many of the clubs leaving.
Brilliant point, also walhawk, about the Coburg situation. Coburg legend Phil Cleary is very worried about his beloved Coburg being shipped off to Craigieburn, and all semblance of the once-mighty Lions could be lost forever. He feels Coburg would have been much better off aligning with Essendon, which would have suited me perfectly, being an Essendon and Coburg man.
One thing just to watch out for in the next couple of years, I believe North Melbourne may ditch North Ballarat and align fully with Werribee. Not because the Roosters are in any way deficient or anything, just the tyranny of distance and the like. Like the Kangaroos coaching staff and administration basically get to every Werribee game that doesn't clash with Kangas games. I reckon they'd be lucky to get to more than a handful of the North Ballarat games, just the whole distance factor, etc. Besides, North Ballarat want nothing more than a partial alignment anyway, so going alone might not bother the Roosters too much at all. We'll wait and see, anyhow.
walhawk
11 Sep 2008, 22:54
Coburg was still getting a reasonable crowd around 2000 when they were alligned with Fitzroy.
Once they are shipped of to Cragieburn, there will be very little Coburg left.
The only alligmnet that will last is the Box Hill Hawks - same colours, similar demographics, history & location.
None of Casey, Box Hill, Bullants, Bendigo could survive on their own.
I would think within 5 years the 'VFL' will be: -
Collingwood
Essendon
Carlton
Geelong
Box Hill Hawks
Coburb/Craigieburn Tigers
Werribee (North)
Willi (Dogs)
Sandringham (Saints)
Casey (Dees)
Port Melbourne
Frankston
12 teams.
Goodbye Tassie, Bendigo, Nth Ballarat & Northern Bullants
Hopefully the history of Preston is maintained in the NFL and the Roosters will go back to dominating the Ballarat league.