What a difference four years makes.

[AndyLesPaul]

I came across a bomber magazine from 2004 which showed the playing list
It shows that of the 44 players in that list 15 remain

Is that normal? its just too much of a difference

[OzBomber]

Well Sheedy did draft a lot of dud recycled players.

[AndyLesPaul]

Yeah
in the 2004 players list it included
Matthew Allan Mark Alvey Justin Murphy
but still
So strange

[Kong]

i remember around the time of the finals in '04 (either shortly before or after) sheedy said in an interview that even though we'd reached the semis, the list we had wouldn't get us to a premiership, and that it would require a thorough clean-out.
funny that this didn't actually eventuate until sheeds was gone, 3 years later.

[AndyLesPaul]

i remember around the time of the finals in '04 (either shortly before or after) sheedy said in an interview that even though we'd reached the semis, the list we had wouldn't get us to a premiership, and that it would require a thorough clean-out.
funny that this didn't actually eventuate until sheeds was gone, 3 years later.
Yeah.

does anyone no what happened to damien cupido? i dont remember.

[OzBomber]

Yeah.
D
does anyone no what happened to damien cupido? i dont remember.2004 he had a knee injury. 2005 - Decided to gain some weight and became a dud. He got dropped to the Bendigo Reserves team. How good was he in 2003! I'll always remember his performance on Anzac day.

[Spikey]

Anyone have the list from 2006?

[AndyLesPaul]

2004 he had a knee injury. 2005 - Decided to gain some weight and became a dud. He got dropped to the Bendigo Reserves team. How good was he in 2003! I'll always remember his performance on Anzac day.
reserves?
HOly.

Yeah boy was he good. the anzac day was the first match i went to.. boy was it epic lol

[AndyLesPaul]

Anyone have the list from 2006?
As of 2006:
1 Mark Johnson
2 Ricky Dyson
3 Aaron Henneman
4 Jobe Watson
5 James Hird
6 Angus Monfries
7 Dean Solomon
8 Jason Winderlich
9 Adam Ramanauskas
10 Mark McVeigh
11 Damien Peverill
12 Andrew Welsh
13 Andrew Lovett
14 Jason Johnson
15 Courtenay Dempsey
16 Kepler Bradley
17 Scott Camporeale
18 Matthew Lloyd (captain)
19 David Hille
20 Henry Slattery
21 Courtney Johns
22 Tristan Cartledge
23 Mark Bolton
24 Brent Stanton
25 Scott Lucas
26 Chris Heffernan
27 Jason Laycock
28 Richard Cole
29 Joel Reynolds
30 Patrick Ryder
31 Dustin Fletcher
32 Andrew Lee
33 Adam McPhee
34 Jay Neagle
35 Ben Jolley
36 Sam Lonergan
37 Austin Lucy
38 Jay Nash
42 Nathan Lovett-Murray
43 Dean Rioli
Rookies:
39 Heath Hocking
40 Matthew Firman
41 Tim O'Keefe
44 Lachlan McKinnon

bold = still here.
thank you wikipedia..

[warney7]

Yeah
in the 2004 players list it included
Matthew Allan Mark Alvey Robert Murphy


lol, sadly it was only Justin ;)

[bipolarbeaR]

5 James Hird



Thank god that dud doesn't play anymore.:rolleyes:

[AndyLesPaul]

lol, sadly it was only Justin ;)
lol my mistake.

[Phat Toni]

[quote=AndyLesPaul;12374805]As of 2006:

2 Ricky Dyson
4 Jobe Watson
6 Angus Monfries
8 Jason Winderlich
10 Mark McVeigh
12 Andrew Welsh
13 Andrew Lovett
15 Courtenay Dempsey
18 Matthew Lloyd (captain)
19 David Hille
20 Henry Slattery
24 Brent Stanton
25 Scott Lucas
27 Jason Laycock
30 Patrick Ryder
31 Dustin Fletcher
33 Adam McPhee
34 Jay Neagle
36 Sam Lonergan
38 Jay Nash
42 Nathan Lovett-Murray
39 Heath Hocking
quote]

It's amazing that by the start of '09 there will be only 20 to 22 players left from that train wreck of a season we called '06....

[Midnight Vultures]

Add Rhys Magin and Jarrod Atkinson to above post, but it's still a hell of a clean out.

[EssendonPride]

Add Rhys Magin and Jarrod Atkinson to above post, but it's still a hell of a clean out.

Except neither was on the list in 2006??

[AndyLesPaul]

[quote=AndyLesPaul;12374805]As of 2006:

2 Ricky Dyson
4 Jobe Watson
6 Angus Monfries
8 Jason Winderlich
10 Mark McVeigh
12 Andrew Welsh
13 Andrew Lovett
15 Courtenay Dempsey
18 Matthew Lloyd (captain)
19 David Hille
20 Henry Slattery
24 Brent Stanton
25 Scott Lucas
27 Jason Laycock
30 Patrick Ryder
31 Dustin Fletcher
33 Adam McPhee
34 Jay Neagle
36 Sam Lonergan
38 Jay Nash
42 Nathan Lovett-Murray
39 Heath Hocking
quote]

It's amazing that by the start of '09 there will be only 20 to 22 players left from that train wreck of a season we called '06....
theirs even less from 2004 ;)

[The Donners]

Well there's only 1 person left from 1993 and there's no one left from 1985, what's your point?

[EssendonPride]

Well there's only 1 person left from 1993 and there's no one left from 1985, what's your point?

Perhaps the fact that almost half of our list has been turned over in 2 years??

Was well-needed though.

[Essendonfc_4_lyfe]

2006 List: Ha Cole what a hack

[The Donners]

Perhaps the fact that almost half of our list has been turned over in 2 years??

Was well-needed though.

That's what happens when you fail to make the finals 4 years running... and for those retirees... all good things come to an end.

[daveyboy3]

That's what happens when you fail to make the finals 4 years running... and for those retirees... all good things come to an end.

98-04 is seven years running.

[AndyLesPaul]

98-04 is seven years running.
he sed "fail" ie 2004 +
jjust read wrong. dw

[howiehowie]

Andrew Lee was around a fair while. Only just being shown the door now.

[The_Trav]

Yeah.

does anyone no what happened to damien cupido? i dont remember.

Damien Cupido was with West Adelaide in the SANFL this season (bottom of the ladder, two wins for the year i think)

Was at South Adelaide a for a few seasons before that (similar situation to Westies)

[spike mcveigh]

2004 for the bombers was actually a good season for us. Although, we did have a lot of older players playing back then. Since then we have been extremely dissapointing as a team. Maybe, last year mid-way through the year when we were about 6th or 7th after round 11 I thought we were a chance of finals. Besides that we have been shocking since 2004.:mad:

[spike mcveigh]

Andrew Lee was around a fair while. Only just being shown the door now.
I think that is a bit harsh dumping a rookie player so quickly. I'd never seen much of Andrew Lee but you shouldn't just dump a rookie that quick before he hasn't even played many senior games.:confused:

[SeeTheBombersFlyUp]

I think that is a bit harsh dumping a rookie player so quickly. I'd never seen much of Andrew Lee but you shouldn't just dump a rookie that quick before he hasn't even played many senior games.:confused:
but he had been on the list for a while and never achieved anything so it was time to move him on.....

[AndyLesPaul]

I think that is a bit harsh dumping a rookie player so quickly. I'd never seen much of Andrew Lee but you shouldn't just dump a rookie that quick before he hasn't even played many senior games.:confused:
1. he wasnt a rookie.
2. He's been around for 3 years and played like 5 games
3. If knights wasnt coaching, he'd still be around.

[Kong]

1. he wasnt a rookie.
2. He's been around for 3 years and played like 5 games
3. If knights wasnt coaching, he'd still be around.

this was his fourth year.

[Tippaz]

I came across a bomber magazine from 2004 which showed the playing list
It shows that of the 44 players in that list 15 remain

Is that normal? its just too much of a difference

quite normal.

the average AFL player only spends 4 years in the system.

[OB1]

i remember around the time of the finals in '04 (either shortly before or after) sheedy said in an interview that even though we'd reached the semis, the list we had wouldn't get us to a premiership, and that it would require a thorough clean-out.
funny that this didn't actually eventuate until sheeds was gone, 3 years later.

What a load of crap! Have a look at how many delisting/retirements happened every year. Knights didn't delist 25 players last year ya know.
The list turnover has been occuring for a few years now.

[Kenny Roberts]

That's what happens when you fail to make the finals 4 years running... and for those retirees... all good things come to an end.


It's not what HAS to happen. Think of Brisbane. I'm not sure how many years they were in the finals on the trot, but four grand finals in a row for three premierships, and now seem to be heading back up without sinking as low as we have.

Whatever happened to the club "rule" that we MUST make the finals every year and win a premiership every, what was it - 7, 8 years? That was made a big deal of just a few years ago.

I'm not knocking Essendon per se, but when things don't go well, you have to ask questions, and do something about it. That may now be happening, with Sheedy and now John Quinn going, but list management and drafting really has to be looked at, as well.

[Flying_dutchman]

What difference will 2 years will make?

I think they will be closer then most people would think.

Essendon 2000 Vs Essendon 2010

Lloyd Neagle
Lucas Gumby
Hird Myers
Wellman Pears
Fletcher Ryder
Mercuri Houli
Misiti Watson
Barnard Nash
Rama Lonergan
Bewick Jetta
JJ McVeigh
M. Johnson Reimers
Hardwick Slattery
Heffernan Stanton
Blumfield Welsh
Caracella Winderlich
Allessio Hille
Long Dempsey

If most of these guys can stay on the park and we can top up with some decent rookies and trades the future is bright.

[stugots]

What difference will 2 years will make?

I think they will be closer then most people would think.

Essendon 2000 Vs Essendon 2010

Lloyd Neagle
Lucas Gumby
Hird Myers
Wellman Pears
Fletcher Ryder
Mercuri Houli
Misiti Watson
Barnard Nash
Rama Lonergan
Bewick Jetta
JJ McVeigh
M. Johnson Reimers
Hardwick Slattery
Heffernan Stanton
Blumfield Welsh
Caracella Winderlich
Allessio Hille
Long Dempsey

If most of these guys can stay on the park and we can top up with some decent rookies and trades the future is bright.

dont look too bad at all does it:thumbsu:

[Bombs Away]

What difference will 2 years will make?

I think they will be closer then most people would think.

Essendon 2000 Vs Essendon 2010

Lloyd Neagle
Lucas Gumby
Hird Myers
Wellman Pears
Fletcher Ryder
Mercuri Houli
Misiti Watson
Barnard Nash
Rama Lonergan
Bewick Jetta
JJ McVeigh
M. Johnson Reimers
Hardwick Slattery
Heffernan Stanton
Blumfield Welsh
Caracella Winderlich
Allessio Hille
Long Dempsey

If most of these guys can stay on the park and we can top up with some decent rookies and trades the future is bright.


Think that reimers better than MJ but not fair to put Myers against Hird. No one will match up against him for some time me thinks (about 11 years until we get Thomas Hird and he is best chance to be that good). In 2010 Lloyd and Lucas will still be playing. Dont think Fletch will somehow.

Apart from that love the match ups and is a good comparison except no Hurley :D

[Slattery_20]

It's not what HAS to happen. Think of Brisbane. I'm not sure how many years they were in the finals on the trot, but four grand finals in a row for three premierships, and now seem to be heading back up without sinking as low as we have.

Whatever happened to the club "rule" that we MUST make the finals every year and win a premiership every, what was it - 7, 8 years? That was made a big deal of just a few years ago.

I'm not knocking Essendon per se, but when things don't go well, you have to ask questions, and do something about it. That may now be happening, with Sheedy and now John Quinn going, but list management and drafting really has to be looked at, as well.
Have been fairly big changes in the last few years
Dodoro's gone from being the ground-level recruiter to a recruitment management, Merv Keane's taken his old job, few more staff got added as well
+ We don't have a cantankerous opinionated old coach over-riding the recruiters every year, apparently that helps.