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SeinDude
2 Oct 2002, 08:59
Cats, Burns set to part company
By Rohan Connolly, Chloe Saltau
October 02 2002
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/01/1033283488509.html

Geelong seems certain to dump star forward Ronnie Burns after having finally lost patience with the gifted but often wayward goalsneak.

The Cats are determined to cut their losses and trade the injury-prone and, at times, undisciplined 29-year-old. The final straw was an alleged physical confrontation between Burns and Geelong vice-captain Brenton Sanderson as the team celebrated the end of the season recently.

Club sources claim Sanderson had taken Burns to task about his lack of responsibility as a senior player, including his repeated failure to attend club functions and to act as a leader to the Cats' many younger players. Burns is alleged to have reacted heatedly.

When Geelong met recently to assess its list for 2003, the name of Burns, who has one year left on his contract, fell firmly on the potential trade category and a key factor cited in that decision was his falling-out with the senior playing group.

The Cats' football hierarchy is just as disenchanted with the enigmatic forward, who had to be pushed by officials into even the most fundamental of player responsibilities, such as attending rehabilitation sessions.


While there remains some anxiety about what Burns' axing would do to Geelong's already slim reserves of match-hardened experience, the Cats believe Gary Ablett junior is capable of stepping into the breach as a ground-level goalkicker, to ease what might prove an unpopular decision, with Burns a favourite of the Geelong fans.

While the five-day pre-draft trading period does not begin until October 24, Geelong will be keen to move quickly to secure an appropriate deal for Burns, who has recently had chronic hamstring trouble.

Geelong coach Mark Thompson, now on leave, is reportedly the keenest of the Cats' hierarchy to make the tough call. Thompson, having publicly backed Burns and refused to drop him earlier in the season, is believed to have felt duty-bound to continue to play him despite continuing ordinary form. Burns averaged only 10 possessions in his 18 games in 2002 and kicked just 17 goals. Burns would seem most likely to appeal to a top-eight side able to take a calculated gamble on his erratic ways and injury record, a team in need of ground-level goalkicking, which could potentially include Adelaide, Essendon or Melbourne.

Burns arrived at Geelong from Northern Territory club St Mary's by West Perth in 1996 but consistent form has remained elusive.

Geelong is battling interest from several Melbourne clubs to retain emerging ruckman Peter Street.

Chief executive Brian Cook said yesterday the Cats had made the 208-centimetre Street a new contract offer and were waiting for a response from his management.

Street has been approached by at least two other clubs, but Geelong would hate to see the exceptionally tall ruckman, its first selection in the 1998 national draft, blossom elsewhere.

"He's tall and gangly, nearly seven foot (213 centimetres) and it will just take him time (to mature). With the five years we've invested in Peter, we don't want to let that go, we'd prefer to see if he can make it over the next year or two," Cook said.

The Cats are optimistic about re-signing leading goalkicker Kent Kingsley soon after he returns from overseas this week.

Pornstar
2 Oct 2002, 11:22
I think Street will take up an offer from another club, he'd be mad not to. He will never take the #1 ruck position from King. If he stays at Geelong he will spend the rest of his career in the 2s or sitting on the pine in the ones.

you_idiot
2 Oct 2002, 11:38
Looks like Priority #1 (ditching Ronnie Burns) has been accomplished, or at least it's intended to being that way. :)

So the question begs asking... what can we expect to get for Ronnie, in the way of a half-decent swap?

Sounds like a good topic for debate...

Cheers,
William

JUBJUB
2 Oct 2002, 12:48
Originally posted by you_idiot
Looks like Priority #1 (ditching Ronnie Burns) has been accomplished, or at least it's intended to being that way. :)



He's probably not worth that much.He's like Daniel Chick,both CAN be gamebreakers,but more often they go AWOL.

Would he go back to WA ?

nolsey77
2 Oct 2002, 12:55
Originally posted by SeinDude
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The Cats are optimistic about re-signing leading goalkicker Kent Kingsley soon after he returns from overseas this week.

OPTIMISTIC !!!!!!!! is that all. He'd better sign .

catattack
2 Oct 2002, 13:01
Well done to the Cats on making this move. To Ronnie's standards he hasn't had a good year. IMO he has 2-3 years left in him and we could get a fairly good pick up for him!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack

catattack
2 Oct 2002, 13:24
Originally posted by nolsey77


OPTIMISTIC !!!!!!!! is that all. He'd better sign .

He'd better, and I'm sure he will. At least his name isn't talked about in trades!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack

you_idiot
2 Oct 2002, 13:29
Originally posted by JUBJUB


He's probably not worth that much.He's like Daniel Chick,both CAN be gamebreakers,but more often they go AWOL.

Would he go back to WA ?

Quite possibly. If I were the g.m., I'd be approaching Freo and WCE first about a possible trade for him.

As for Peter Street, re-sign him at all costs. If anything happens to Steven King, such as any kind of an injury, we might be screwed. We need a back-up ruckman, simple as that. The Cats need to build up their depth at every position...

And regarding Kingsley... yes, signing him MUST be a prioroty as well. More than that, it's a given.

Cheers,
William

SeinDude
2 Oct 2002, 14:35
Originally posted by catattack
Well done to the Cats on making this move. To Ronnie's standards he hasn't had a good year. IMO he has 2-3 years left in him and we could get a fairly good pick up for him!


Although it is disappointing to be in the position of trading a senior player like Ronnie Burns who is a crowd favourite, I think the time has come for Ronnie to move on to another club and for Geelong to get something for him in the trade.

Hopefully this would give Danny O'Brien a chance to make it in the seniors next season. :)

Go Cats!!
SeinDude

eagleskickass
2 Oct 2002, 14:44
Sorry, West Coast don't need burnes
Talk to Freo, according to sabre etc they can fit ANYONE into the salary cap. All out of contract/players to be traded are going there apparently.

Catman
2 Oct 2002, 19:11
Kingsley wont go. He'll sign.

O'Brien will be delisted, to not crack it for a senior game in the past two seasons doesn't auger well for him. Personally I think we should delist him. He just can't make it in the seniors. And with Gazz waiting in the wings, well, I know who'd I choose.

SeinDude
2 Oct 2002, 19:47
Originally posted by Catman
O'Brien will be delisted, to not crack it for a senior game in the past two seasons doesn't auger well for him. Personally I think we should delist him. He just can't make it in the seniors. And with Gazz waiting in the wings, well, I know who'd I choose.

Catman,

Why not have both of them in the forward line?? Danny O'Brien showed that he can kick multiple goals in a hurry in the VFL this year and should be given a chance, especially if Ronnie Burns goes which looks likely at this stage.

I don't think we need to make too many changes to our list... retirements, players moving onto the veterans list and the odd trade will free up enough spots for us to fill with our draft picks.

Go Cats!!
SeinDude

catattack
2 Oct 2002, 20:17
I personally think that Obie will be delisted :( But if he is to stay (I know this has been said before) but he needs to bulk up a lot.

And as SeinDude said, he can get multiple goals in quick time, and if Ronnie is to go then Obie could step up!

Go Cats!!:)
catattack

Mattster
3 Oct 2002, 14:33
i'm a fan of Ronnies. and i'll be disappointed if he goes, but i'll support any decision bomber makes.

As for o'brien, he did finish the year off very well, but to perform well in reserves is one thing, but he is an unknown quantity in the seniors. He would be unlucky to get delisted because he didn't get an opportunity in the ones this year. Perhaps the retirements, possibly a few more, may save his spot.

Street has a big decision to make. Geelong has invested a lot of time in him, but he must decide whether he wants to be number one or play second fiddle, and anyone would decide to be number one. I just hope we get the best deal possible if he decides to leave. I wouldn't hold anything against him if he does.

The Mailman
3 Oct 2002, 18:34
Carlton will give Geelong Fevola and a 5th rnd pick for Street.
Win Win deal that one.

SeinDude
3 Oct 2002, 19:07
Originally posted by The Mailman
Carlton will give Geelong Fevola and a 5th rnd pick for Street.
Win Win deal that one.

The only way I can see that happening is if our coaching staff have been drinking twice as much as Fevola usually does!! :D:D

Go Cats!!
SeinDude