View Full Version : UFC 90 - Could Cote beat Silva?
Bodicifer
30 Sep 2008, 15:06
I've checked the odds and it is Silva $1.12, Cote $6 but I just have this funny feeling that Cote might be able to knock him out. I know it all points to Silva but he has already said he is retiring in 09 and may just have one foot out the door?
I cannot see it happening. $1000 on Silva to get $120 profit back is probably a good bet. Stranger things have happened, but I just cannot see Cote lasting 3 rounds let alone 5.
The reason the odds are so skewed has as much to do about how ordinary Cote is as it does how good Silva is.
GeneralDisarray
30 Sep 2008, 18:22
No one can see this happening. Silva is just too good. The only man I can see getting close to beating Silva is Bisping but he is definitely not ready yet. Bisping's conditioning has improved immensely in the past year but he still drops his hands when he kicks and Silva would absolutely nail him like he did Irvin. Silva has the best footwork in mma. He works the angles so well and looks effortless when he just steps to the side to avoid an opponent's attack.
TheTrav
30 Sep 2008, 23:53
No way, Silva in 1.
Bodicifer
1 Oct 2008, 10:25
Fair enough, it's a feeling rather than logic. Silva is another echelon above but I just think Cote might get a lucky one in...that is the only way he could win.
Bisping is getting close. I think he fights Leben soon which will be an interesting fight.
GeneralDisarray
1 Oct 2008, 10:41
If Bisping annihilates Leben you'd have to think Silva would be his next opponent.
I was supprised it wasn't Bispings shot this time.
GeneralDisarray
1 Oct 2008, 13:07
I think Bisping needed another fight at 185 just to get comfortable. He looked very impressive last time and destroying Leben will give us a good idea of how far Bisping's come.
Only way Cote could win would be if Silva beat himself up.....
RobbyRoy
2 Oct 2008, 14:19
If Cote won it'd be a bigger upset than Serra/GSP, IMO. I like Cote, and wouldn't mind seeing him win, but it's verrryyyy unlikely.
daicos21
5 Oct 2008, 03:33
Just what is impresive about Bisping and in which fight was that ? Am i missing something here? Bisping is light years behind Franklin-let alone Silva.
Crosby87
5 Oct 2008, 03:46
As much as I like Cote, zero chance. Silva is a machine.
Good odds, though.
GeneralDisarray
5 Oct 2008, 18:10
Just what is impresive about Bisping and in which fight was that ? Am i missing something here? Bisping is light years behind Franklin-let alone Silva.
Who do you suggest Silva fight before Bisping? We're not saying that Bisping will beat Silva but he looks the most impressive of all the contenders and is improving with every fight. You do know that Franklin's gone up to 205 right? He got his arse kicked by Silva (like everyone else at 185) and doesn't see himself having a future as a middleweight. Some may see his move to 205 as being a more natural weight for Franklin while to others it looks like he's running away from Silva.
Just what is impresive about Bisping and in which fight was that ? Am i missing something here? Bisping is light years behind Franklin-let alone Silva.
Yeah what GD was saying. He not the best contender at 185, but you just can't have Silva vs Franklin every match. Would have liked to see Bisping fight Hendo to see who goes next but the 185 title is due.
Bodicifer
6 Oct 2008, 13:01
Petruzelli beat Slice in 14 seconds with a KO...this is what Cote needs to do, surprise the living shite out of Silva!:thumbsu:
Petruzelli beat Slice in 14 seconds with a KO...this is what Cote needs to do, surprise the living shite out of Silva!:thumbsu:
All the commentator hype aside, Slice is an MMA sideshow at best. Unlikely to happen.
UltraMagnus
6 Oct 2008, 14:29
All the commentator hype aside, Slice is an MMA sideshow at best. Unlikely to happen.
the point is i doubt anyone expected kimbo to be KO'd in 20 seconds, anything can happen in a fight and personally i think cote is very underrated so i give him a chance.
the point is i doubt anyone expected kimbo to be KO'd in 20 seconds, anything can happen in a fight and personally i think cote is very underrated so i give him a chance.
No doubt, Rampage v Iceman also proved that. It's possible, but so is winning the lottery.
The list is pretty short who have a reasonable chance (up to 40%) of beating Silva - they are:
Meia, Parhales, Hendo (who's got a smaller and smaller window as he's getting old) and perhaps Paulo Fihlo.
Then there are a few with a 25%
Bisping, Marquart, Rich, Robbie Lawler and Okami (there styles just dont match up well)
And the rest are pretty much screwed...
daicos21
7 Oct 2008, 16:12
Who do you suggest Silva fight before Bisping? We're not saying that Bisping will beat Silva but he looks the most impressive of all the contenders and is improving with every fight. You do know that Franklin's gone up to 205 right? He got his arse kicked by Silva (like everyone else at 185) and doesn't see himself having a future as a middleweight. Some may see his move to 205 as being a more natural weight for Franklin while to others it looks like he's running away from Silva.
I suggest he fights a rematch with Hendo before Bisping. If not he should move to LH so we can watch Franklin come down to MW again :p.But seriously,many great match ups for Silva at LH.
Bodicifer
7 Oct 2008, 16:16
The list is pretty short who have a reasonable chance (up to 40%) of beating Silva - they are:
Meia, Parhales, Hendo (who's got a smaller and smaller window as he's getting old) and perhaps Paulo Fihlo.
Then there are a few with a 25%
Bisping, Marquart, Rich, Robbie Lawler and Okami (there styles just dont match up well)
And the rest are pretty much screwed...
I'd have Bisping a better chance than 25%.
Obvioulsy the brain says that Silva will win easily but I just have a feeling about Cote for some reason...we'll know in three weeks I suppose.
BTW, Couture should beat Brock Lesnar shouldn't he?
GeneralDisarray
7 Oct 2008, 17:38
BTW, Couture should beat Brock Lesnar shouldn't he?
Oh boy, start another thread. I can see this one going all over the place :D
I'd have Bisping a better chance than 25%.
Obvioulsy the brain says that Silva will win easily but I just have a feeling about Cote for some reason...we'll know in three weeks I suppose.
BTW, Couture should beat Brock Lesnar shouldn't he?
Speaking with mag today so I wont claim the idea as my own but I agree with him. It comes down to styles. Bisping's best weapon is his stand up, so he would have to take him KO or TKO after a knockdown. Unlikely given Silva's ability and he has no chance on the ground. Silvas BJJ is good but not great hence why the ground guys at 40%. Cote is reasonable in all areas so probaly doesn't have the weapons IMO. THat's not to say he's no chance, His game plan would be get him on his back asap and hope to GnP a dec.
Leasnar is a real shot. Randy hates wrestling with bigger dudes. Has to keep it standing and gas him in the dirty boxing. I think he should do it but wouldn't be suprised with a lay and pray win to Lesnar.
The J Dog
7 Oct 2008, 19:54
Only way Cote could win would be if Silva beat himself up.....
Silva is at the top of his game. He is unchallenged as a middleweight, and the way he beat Henderson showed he's probably too good against the bigger guys too, even though that match was fought at middleweight.
The only real match for him would be Rampage Jackson, before Rampage lost his mind. I'd pay to watch that contest.
I wouldn't mind seeing Silva vs Dan Severn or Ken Shamrock from 10 years ago.
I'd like to see Franklin vs Bisping. I think Rich would win, but it would be a good contest.
Bodicifer
8 Oct 2008, 10:06
Silva is at the top of his game. He is unchallenged as a middleweight, and the way he beat Henderson showed he's probably too good against the bigger guys too, even though that match was fought at middleweight.
The only real match for him would be Rampage Jackson, before Rampage lost his mind. I'd pay to watch that contest.
I wouldn't mind seeing Silva vs Dan Severn or Ken Shamrock from 10 years ago.
I'd like to see Franklin vs Bisping. I think Rich would win, but it would be a good contest.
That'd be a cracker I reckon.
Forrest Gimp
15 Oct 2008, 00:46
The list is pretty short who have a reasonable chance (up to 40%) of beating Silva - they are:
Meia, Parhales, Hendo (who's got a smaller and smaller window as he's getting old) and perhaps Paulo Fihlo.
Then there are a few with a 25%
Bisping, Marquart, Rich, Robbie Lawler and Okami (there styles just dont match up well)
And the rest are pretty much screwed...
Personally, I think Machida has the best chance against Silva.
Personally, I think Machida has the best chance against Silva.
Yeah at 205 things get more challenging for Anderson, I was talking about the 185 contenders.
Out of 205 I think quite a few guys could concievably beat Silva. Machida, Rampage, Rashad, Hendo and a fit Shogun would all pose significant danger IMO.
Forrest Gimp
15 Oct 2008, 17:20
Yeah, I agree with all of that (I think he would beat Rashad 9 times out of 10 though). Hopefully he stays at 205, there are so many mouth watering matches still waiting to happen, and Silva is one of the most fun guys to watch.
You wouldn't think Cote would beat Anderson Silva, but at UFC level it's always a two horse race. Cote has great striking, so he might get in a lucky one.
Kangas_Div
17 Oct 2008, 08:44
Anderson Silva, TKO, Round 1..
Main card
Middleweight Championship: Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote - wouldn't surprise me if Silva submits him after hurting him, Cote can take a shot
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs Thiago Alves - Kos will stubbornly try and stand with him at some stage and he'll get caught
Lightweight bout: Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard - backing experience to win out over size and strength, although Maynard trains at Couture's gym so I'm reluctant to go against him
Heavyweight bout: Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos - don't understand the reasons for this fight, the UFC is usually good at not doing heavily one-sided fights so maybe they've seen something in Junior that nobody else has
Lightweight bout: Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin - their wrestling skills will cancel each other out and this will be a standup battle, I think Griffin's standup is slightly better
Preliminary bouts
Middleweight bout: Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries - Thales by submission
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty
Middleweight bout: Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich
Lightweight bout: Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio - loser of this fight and the one below will probably both be looking for a new home, a shame as I'm a fan of both guys in this fight
Welterweight bout: Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell
Main card
Middleweight Championship: Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote - Anderson by TKO, Rich style. One of the only fights on the card I'd bet on.
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs Thiago Alves - This is a tough one to call. Props to Kos for coming in at late notice, but will this have an affect on his conditioning? this is a 50/50 for me, but I'm going for Alves to outpoint Kos, as he may struggle to get the takedowns on Thiago.
Lightweight bout: Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard - Rich has been on a tear lately, but I think it stops with Gray whos in a fantastic camp and has never lost. Another great fight and again tough to call.
Heavyweight bout: Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos - Werdum, nuff said.
Lightweight bout: Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin - another great match. This card is looking excellent. Agree with ross's analysis here. Sherk usually likes 5 rounders to ground an opponent down over time, but with 3, I think technically Griffin is better standing and equal as a wrestler.
Preliminary bouts
Middleweight bout: Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries - Thales by submission
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty
Middleweight bout: Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich - Pick 'em.
Lightweight bout: Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio - Aurelio's last chance, so I'm going for him. I think Franca probably has one more prelim in him if he loses though.
Welterweight bout: Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell - Don't like burkman, but he'll account for Drago I think
Main card
Middleweight Championship: Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote - I'd bet on it too, but not on the odds he'd be getting. Cote has a limited ground game, at best. The only person who can defeat Silva is someone who can pass guard well. Bring on GSP.
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs Thiago Alves - My mix up pick. Kos to human blanket to victory.
Lightweight bout: Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard - Maynard on the way up, but doesn't really finish. Rich may have the experience, but I think his recent victories have been against good B graders. Could go either way.
Heavyweight bout: Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos - Please, please let there be a face mask in this. Can't stop thinking of Caras jr v Cro Cop.
Lightweight bout: Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin - Tyson with more of a spark atm, can win IF he can keep it on his feet. If he gets taken down though, Sherk will GnP his head into a mat like shape. Could go either way, but I'm not ready to quit on Sherk just yet.... Good card.
Preliminary bouts
Middleweight bout: Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries - Thales should get him down and BJJ him.
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty - NFI
Middleweight bout: Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich - NFI
Lightweight bout: Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio
Welterweight bout: Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell
fevolation87
20 Oct 2008, 14:00
The only way i Can see Cote beat silva is if he catch him on the button but i can't even see that happen.
However, A rumor coming out of the MMA world (i think it is bullshit by the way.) Is if silva wins and GSP beats BJ Penn. Silva VS GSP. I would die to see this fight. GSP natural weight is 180 it is possible.
The big hole in this is, Bisping and if Henderson wins againest Franklin the Ultimate figther season 9 going to be Bisping vs Henderson and it is going to be UK MMA fighters vs USA MMA figthers and the winner between Bisping Vs Henderson will face Silva.
The other big hole in this theory is this will be the second fight that GSP will not have fought someone in his weight division.
So really unlikely but i hope it happens.
RobbyRoy
20 Oct 2008, 18:11
Main card
Middleweight Championship: Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote - I'm thinking maybe an early 2nd round tko. I'm seeing it being really one-sided though, and Cote will be lucky to get any further.
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs Thiago Alves - Big fan of both and it's a toss up. Kos decision.
Lightweight bout: Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard - As has been mentioned, it'd be good to see him finish, but Clementi is real tough
Heavyweight bout: Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos - pointless fight
Lightweight bout: Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin - I think Sherk will be able to take Griffen down and control him, but Griffin could definitely knock him out
Preliminary bouts
Middleweight bout: Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries - Sub round 1
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty - KO
Middleweight bout: Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich
Lightweight bout: Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio - Hopefully the loser gets another shot
Welterweight bout: Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell - Hopefulyl it's a KO, i'm not a big fan of Burkman
Disappointing main event. Silva seemed bored and spent most of the fight dancing and goofing around before Cote tore his knee out. Cote's chin was holding up though, he never looked fazed. With Anderson talking about retirement next year hopefully they get him back in there by December or January for a big LHW fight.
Alves is a monster, can't believe how good his takedown defense is now. Kos is one of the best wrestlers in the sport and he had no success. If GSP gets by BJ he'll have his hands full with Alves, who I rate as the better striker of the two.
Sherk vs Griffin was a great, even fight. I had it 29-28 for Tyson but I could just as easily see it 30-27 for Sherk. Sherk's boxing is better than I gave him credit for.
I said up the page that the UFC saw something in Junior that we didn't know about and he delivered with a huge uppercut. There was footage of him hitting the pads in one of Dana's videos leading up to the event that got a few MMA sites excited about the chances of an upset.
Maynard was too strong for Rich. Not the best of outings though and you'd be forgiven for thinking he lost by the way he walked out of the cage. Most entertaining moment of the fight was Joe Rogan going crazy because the referee kept telling them to be active when they were working for positions.
Haven't seen all the fights, so haven't read other posts. But I got the impression that Silva held back a fair bit, and I think he did it intentionally. The showmanship seemed to be his focus for much of it. Never looked in danger, Cote really didn't bring much. Sad the fight finished like it did cos I was just waiting for Silva to unload. He was toying with him IMHO.
GeneralDisarray
27 Oct 2008, 00:04
I think Cote and Silva were both very careful and didn't want to go in because both fighters have KO power. To me, it looked like Silva was just waiting for the right time and he was prepared to wait until the 5th round. Even though he's such a great fighter and we all look at him as a superhero, charging in against Cote wouldn't have been smart because all it takes is Cote to land one punch.
Sherk vs Griffin was an excellent fight and Thiago Alves was very impressive. Those leg kicks were painful to watch.
It's amusing to see some idiots jumping off the Spider bandwagon even though he won.
Silva's mostly a counterstriker so he was never going to rush in against someone with heavy hands like Cote. He was adamant he wasn't disrespecting Cote either so I'll assume the running around and dancing was a case of him trying to find his range. If they decide to do a rematch hopefully it's on a free show and not on PPV again.
Disappointing main event. Silva seemed bored and spent most of the fight dancing and goofing around before Cote tore his knee out. Cote's chin was holding up though, he never looked fazed.
Well, no one would have expected it to end the way it did. :D But yeah, it was certainly an interesting fight. Both fighters very respectful of the other and very cautious. There was a lot of dancing around sizing each other up. Credit to Cote though. No one's even got into the third round against Silva before, and he didn't take too much punsihment. I thought Cote lucky to get this title shot, but with that performance, he deserves a rematch.
Alves is a monster, can't believe how good his takedown defense is now. Kos is one of the best wrestlers in the sport and he had no success. If GSP gets by BJ he'll have his hands full with Alves, who I rate as the better striker of the two.
This was an awesome fight. Kos is a very tough fellow, but you're right, Alves is a monster. His leg kicks are some of the best in MMA. He has to be next in line for a title shot.
Sherk vs Griffin was a great, even fight. I had it 29-28 for Tyson but I could just as easily see it 30-27 for Sherk. Sherk's boxing is better than I gave him credit for.
Another terrific, and very close fight. Could have gone either way. Agree with you about Sherk's stand up. He got exposed there against Penn but really matched it with Griffin, who's got pretty awesome stand up himself.
I said up the page that the UFC saw something in Junior that we didn't know about and he delivered with a huge uppercut. There was footage of him hitting the pads in one of Dana's videos leading up to the event that got a few MMA sites excited about the chances of an upset.
Did he get lucky? :D I guess we'll find out as we see more of Junior fight.
Maynard was too strong for Rich. Not the best of outings though and you'd be forgiven for thinking he lost by the way he walked out of the cage. Most entertaining moment of the fight was Joe Rogan going crazy because the referee kept telling them to be active when they were working for positions.
Fully agree. That ref was a moron. Good performance by Maynard though, in another pretty entertaining fight. Maynard just had total domination on the ground, but Clementi just got taken down way too easily.