Whats left at SANFL and WAFL level..Can clubs be self sustaining top league clubs .

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Can Clubs be anything more than feeder organizations for AFL Franchises ?

Can SANFL and WAFL clubs become stronger, self sustaining, independant of the AFL..can these leagues create a new environment that thumbs its nose at the AFL..

or are we simply left with clubs that are shells, clubs that wear colours of once traditional, self determining mighty league clubs ?

Are you happy simply to follow say..Subiaco or North Adelaide simply because thats what they are called and are based at places where once defiant strong self determined clubs once played ?...

Are you following..the club ? or the conduit ?
are you happy to know that all your club is good for is training youngsters for Another club to use and make a History from them , that denies the traditions of you club...and once gained..Mocks your club and league ?

Are you happy that another state league that was the anticedent of our National league, using its previous state league credentials at National level and simply denouncies all achievements at WAFL or SANFL level prior to the advent of the AFL ?

PA1870

[McAlmanac]

Maybe PA1870 could run for the Senate as one of those "one issue parties". Sort of like Nick Xenophon. ;)

To answer the first two questions - no and yes. SANFL clubs are always going to be feeder clubs for the AFL from now on. But that doesn't mean that the SANFL competition (and its clubs) can't get stronger. From what I can glean from downtown Fitzroy, the SANFL appears to have become stronger. Marketing the night matches at Adelaide and Norwood Ovals is a great idea. Blokes who are delisted from AFL clubs seem to be immediately turning to the SANFL as a first option.

The game is more important than the clubs. West Adelaide Bearcats were a great club, but who would deny the spectacular success of the Adelaide 36ers? Since the advent of the NBL, basketballers in this country have had a chance to aspire to the American league. A sport needs a premier competition. Running concurrent leagues of approximately the same standard in various cities does not ensure that the sport attains the highest possible standard.

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by McAlmanac
Maybe PA1870 could run for the Senate as one of those "one issue parties". Sort of like Nick Xenophon. ;)




Then you obviously see want you want to see !

Perhaps you havent read any of the other interesting , factual, historical postsa I have made, nor do you understand how fundamentally different this question is to the others I have raised or asked.

Then there is the point of the regional boards and posting that which is in favour of regional or state league issues, not something that denounces the SANFL and WAFL , nor suggests that they are NOW and will be always feeder leagues to the AFL.

How dare you MAN !

The prospect,no matter how miniscule it may be of a Rival to the AFL in either the WAFL or the SANFL or a combination..is in my eyes simply devine, not something to be derided, but something to be strived for..or in the least instance.something that should actively work to bring the AFL down and usurp it with a true National competition.....or in a more proper fashion ensure the recognition of Australian football Australia wide prior to the advent of the AFL on an equal and non tokenistic level.

PA1870:) :mad: :)

[McAlmanac]

I'm actually quite proud to point out to people all the Woodville-West Torrens players in the AFL.

I think my website demonstrates my love of the SANFL and the way it used to be, but evolution happens. When Port wins an AFL premiership, will you be cheering along?

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
Can Clubs be anything more than feeder organizations for AFL Franchises ?

Can SANFL and WAFL clubs become stronger, self sustaining, independant of the AFL..can these leagues create a new environment that thumbs its nose at the AFL..

or are we simply left with clubs that are shells, clubs that wear colours of once traditional, self determining mighty league clubs ?

Are you happy simply to follow say..Subiaco or North Adelaide simply because thats what they are called and are based at places where once defiant strong self determined clubs once played ?...

Are you following..the club ? or the conduit ?
are you happy to know that all your club is good for is training youngsters for Another club to use and make a History from them , that denies the traditions of you club...and once gained..Mocks your club and league ?

Are you happy that another state league that was the anticedent of our National league, using its previous state league credentials at National level and simply denouncies all achievements at WAFL or SANFL level prior to the advent of the AFL ?

PA1870

depends on your point of view here PA1870.
Will they ever be of a size and standard to rival AFL clubs, then NO. But if you ask the few thousand people who turn up to any SANFL match why they are there, most would NOT say we're here to see the young talent trying to impress AFL scouts. They go to watch a reasonable standard footy game in an environment/atmosphere that is very different to an AFL game. This is where the SANFL and it's clubs are starting to twig that they can, in one sense, compete with AFL. As you are no doubt aware, watching a game of footy at Footy Park is a LOT different to watching one at any suburban ground. This is where the new found strength of the league(s) will come from, accepting that they are different to the AFL and marketing it accordingly, not trying to emulate it.

And quite frankly I am a fan of the SANFL in it's current form. I would hate to see it change. The glory days are over but how this denegrates it's heritage I do not understand!

I have not studied the events leading up to the apparently parlous state of affairs that is the WAFL/Westar Rules/WAFL/AFLWA so I cannot comment on their imminent demise or otherwise.

[raboyle]

I place Central District first and Adelaide second.

Long live the SANFL.

[Uncle Steve]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
...
Are you happy that another state league that was the anticedent of our National league, using its previous state league credentials at National level and simply denouncies all achievements at WAFL or SANFL level prior to the advent of the AFL ?


A true SANFL (or other state league fan) simply does not care what the A/VFL thinks. The A/VFL does not matter.

That is what sets us apart from you Port Power drongos - for the last 12 years your mob has seen the AFL as something desirable. T

You have claimed that Port Power is your #1 club. You have claimed to have played some role in the insertion of Port into the national league. Forgive me, but in this light I find your anti-AFL rhetoric a little bit hard to swallow.

Plenty of us are perfectly happy following only a SANFL club - or at least, following a SANFL club before an AFL team. I don't see my club as a "shell" of its former self. The fact that you don't see this suggests that you, to some extent, believe the crud promoted by the AFL, its clubs and the popular media.

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Uncle Steve


A true SANFL (or other state league fan) simply does not care what the A/VFL thinks. The A/VFL does not matter.

That is what sets us apart from you Port Power drongos - for the last 12 years your mob has seen the AFL as something desirable. T

You have claimed that Port Power is your #1 club. You have claimed to have played some role in the insertion of Port into the national league. Forgive me, but in this light I find your anti-AFL rhetoric a little bit hard to swallow.

Plenty of us are perfectly happy following only a SANFL club - or at least, following a SANFL club before an AFL team. I don't see my club as a "shell" of its former self. The fact that you don't see this suggests that you, to some extent, believe the crud promoted by the AFL, its clubs and the popular media.


What the F......???? Wow have I made a error in trying to convey my thought here , to receive these types of replies..You guys have totally misunderstood what I was thinking...I've got to rewrite this post so my words arent perceived in the manner that you guys are replying with.

PA1870

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by McAlmanac
I'm actually quite proud to point out to people all the Woodville-West Torrens players in the AFL.

I think my website demonstrates my love of the SANFL and the way it used to be, but evolution happens. When Port wins an AFL premiership, will you be cheering along?


To answer this reply..... it is really interesting..I certainly didnt try and convey a perception that you didnt love the SANFL...you website is recommended by my self to people all over the world..

However..there seems to be a compliant perception, by many followers here of "Evolution", " or "Thats the way it is " or "Accept it"..you cant change it...it is really an interesting social insight into the compliant nature of a cross section of Australians and their Go with the Flow, dont buck the system, lets all just accept things the way they are attitude...

If we dont like it...change it..if it cant be done by normal negotiation and means, try other methods...

If the behemoth is perceived as too large..dont just accept the resultant offerings..i.e. the current SANFL..it is this compliant nature that creates a mediocrity...

Start a protest group or join one, write to the SANFL or the AFL do something ! thats all...


PA1870

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by raboyle
I place Central District first and Adelaide second.

Long live the SANFL.

I understand your passion Raboyle !

PA1870