View Full Version : UFC 91: Couture v Lesnar; Florian v Stevenson; Quarry; Sadollah; Gonzaga
red+black
14 Oct 2008, 23:18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_91
UFC 91 will take place on Saturday November 15 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. With fighters USA unless stated, the Main Card is:
- Heavyweight Championship bout: Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar
- Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs. Joe Stevenson
- Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs. Demian Maia (BRA)
- Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs. Nick Catone
- Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga (BRA) vs. Josh Hendricks
This event is of particular importance to me because I fly out to the US this week and will be in Las Vegas for UFC 91, however I do not have a ticket yet. The only seats that seemed to be worth purchasing were USD $1000. I'm unsure whether I will fork out the cash, maybe I'll go to the MGM, grab some merchandise and head off to a sports bar to watch it. It will be a big week in Vegas because they also finish off the 2008 World Series of Poker main event, with the final table (9 players) starting on November 9.
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Any comments about the fights?
Not worth it in my opinion. Aside from the main event, most of the card is mediocre. If you can get a ticket, I'd only pay up to 200 myself.
RobbyRoy
15 Oct 2008, 14:29
Yeh $1000 is pretty ridiculous. I probably wouldn't bother attending the event, 92 would've been better.
red+black
15 Oct 2008, 22:24
I guess if they weren't already up to UFC 88, each event would have been better. We now have UFC 89, UFC 90 and UFC 91 all on within 4 weeks of each other, that's just ridiculous.
I'll probably watch it from a bar at one of the casinos on the strip.
thebaxters
16 Oct 2008, 07:01
There is nothing better than being there live to hear Bruce weave his intro magic. The views not as good, but there are still big screens above the octagon, and when the crowd gets amped...
The undercards will be good value too - as long as they go some sort of distance and they're active, it doesn't matter who's fighting.
If 1K is all you can find online, go down just before it starts and pick one up from a scalper. There will be cheaper seats than that available. particularly if you're OK with missing the first few fights - they'll be getting rid of them for face value or less.
I thought Nogueira was champ... :confused:
But anyway, I'm massively looking forward to Couture v Lesnar. Should be a cracking stoush. I'm also looking forward to seeing Maia fight again. His Jujitsu is simply awesome. He was most impressive against Jason MacDonald, who's no slouch either.
GoGoGadget
20 Oct 2008, 22:20
I thought Nogueira was champ... :confused:
Interim Champion while Couture has his little 'hiatus'..
The Ultimate Fighter finale is on the 13th December.. UFC 92 is on the 27th December..
To the best of my knowledge it hasn't been announced yet, but with Nogueira and Mir being the coaches in TUF, fair chance it will be Nogueira vs Mir for the Interim title. Regardless of TUF, its deserved after Mir beat Lesnar.
The winner of Lesnar/Couture to face the winner of Nogueira/Mir in about Feb for the undisputed championship..
Sound fair?
Forrest Gimp
20 Oct 2008, 22:59
^It's like a mini-tourney.
The winner of Lesnar/Couture to face the winner of Nogueira/Mir in about Feb for the undisputed championship..
Sound fair?
Yep. Thanks for that.
charcolechaddy
21 Oct 2008, 10:38
full card so far;
Name: Randy Couture
Height: 6' 2" (188 cm)
Weight: 220 (100 kg)
Record: 15-8-0
"The Natural"
Name: Brock Lesnar
Height: 6' 3" (191 cm)
Weight: 265 (120 kg)
Record: 2-1-0
Kenny Florian Vs. Joe Stevenson
Name: Kenny Florian
Height: 5' 10" (178 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 12-3-0
"KenFlo"
Name: Joe Stevenson
Height: 5' 7" (170 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 34-8-0
"Daddy"
Amir Sadollah Vs. Nick Catone
Name: Amir Sadollah
Height: 5' 11" (180 cm)
Weight: 185 (84 kg)
Record: 2-0-0
Name: Nick Catone
Height: 5' 9" (175 cm)
Weight: 185 (84 kg)
Record: 6-0-0
Gabriel Gonzaga Vs. Josh Hendricks
Name: Gabriel Gonzaga
Height: 6' 1" (185 cm)
Weight: 242 (110 kg)
Record: 9-3-0
"Napao"
Name: Josh Hendricks
Height: 6' 2" (188 cm)
Weight: 246 (112 kg)
Record: 15-4-0
Nate Quarry Vs. Demian Maia
Name: Nate Quarry
Height: 6' 0" (183 cm)
Weight: 185 (84 kg)
Record: 16-2-0
"Rock"
Name: Demian Maia
Height: 6' 0" (183 cm)
Weight: 185 (84 kg)
Record: 9-0-0
Dustin Hazelett Vs. Tamdan McCrory
Name: Dustin Hazelett
Height: 6' 1" (185 cm)
Weight: 170 (77 kg)
Record: 13-4-0
Name: Tamdan McCrory
Height: 6' 4" (193 cm)
Weight: 170 (77 kg)
Record: 11-1-0
"The Barn Cat"
May not be broadcast. Click for details.
Jorge Gurgel Vs. Aaron Riley
Name: Jorge Gurgel
Height: 5' 9" (175 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 15-4-0
Name: Aaron Riley
Height: 5' 11" (180 cm)
Weight: 170 (77 kg)
Record: 11-5-0
May not be broadcast. Click for details.
Jeremy Stephens Vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Name: Jeremy Stephens
Height: 5' 9" (175 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 15-3-0
"Lil' Heathen"
Name: Rafael dos Anjos
Height: 5' 7" (170 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 11-2-0
May not be broadcast. Click for details.
Alvin Robinson Vs. Mark Bocek
Name: Alvin Robinson
Height: 5' 8" (173 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 10-3-0
"Kid"
Name: Mark Bocek
Height: 5' 8" (173 cm)
Weight: 155 (70 kg)
Record: 5-2-0
May not be broadcast. Click for details.
Matt Riddle Vs. Ryan Thomas
Name: Matt Riddle
Height: 6' 1" (185 cm)
Weight: 185 (84 kg)
Record: 1-0-0
Name: Ryan Thomas
Height: 6' 0" (183 cm)
Weight: 170 (77 kg)
Record: 13-2-0
Remember you wont see undercard fights, and any ufc is worth it when Randy is fighting!
I'd be buying a ticket no matter what the price 1000 who cares whens the next time you're going to watch randy fight let alone a ufc event.
You can get some of the cheaper tickets via scalpers if need be, I'm told they are at the event beforehand but if you ask around you might find some as well. I was offered PRIDE US tickets after a conversation with a Black Jack dealer, which I would have taken if it wasn't on 3 days after I left for home.
Hope nobody had made plans to watch this live on Main Event. It's being delayed for repeat airings of an Andre Rieu concert at Telstra Dome from the night before :mad:
hawks realist
24 Oct 2008, 13:23
man i will be pissed if i cant see this live on main event,there is also hype that rampage is fighting wanderlei silva as long as rampage isnt in the clink.Should be a good card
Hope nobody had made plans to watch this live on Main Event. It's being delayed for repeat airings of an Andre Rieu concert at Telstra Dome from the night before :mad:
I can't believe there was another reason out there to hate Andre Rieu.
Bodicifer
24 Oct 2008, 16:51
Does Lesnar have 20Kg on Couture? That's a fair bit of extra meat to contend with.
Amir Sadollah will be interesting to watch...I like him as a fighter.
Sportman1987
24 Oct 2008, 20:30
I really hope Couture beats Lesnar. I don't want to see brute strength prevail
GeneralDisarray
24 Oct 2008, 23:29
Amir Sadollah will be interesting to watch...I like him as a fighter.
Agreed. Amir seems like a really cool guy and you can see why Forrest took a liking to him on TUF. He's got excellent muay thai skills yet was able to utilize submissions on the show and he's also got one of the best chins I've seen.
And I'm so pissed off tha Foxtel is showing this delayed. Why can't they just get another Main Event channel? It's absurd.
I really hope Couture beats Lesnar. I don't want to see brute strength prevail
I'm pretty confident Couture will have Lesnar's measure. Couture gave up about 40 pounds to Tim Sylvia when he beat him back in UFC 68. We're talking about a UFC legend, a highly experienced, crafty veteran going up against a Johnny-come-lately.
hawks realist
25 Oct 2008, 11:29
justa read on a ufc site that rampage v silva is now scheduled for ufc 92
hawks realist
26 Oct 2008, 22:59
just checked the guide for main event and ufc 91 IS delayed till monday morning at 6.00 because of that violin playing tossa and to make it worse his concert is being REPLAYED when ufc should be on live.time for some emails to main event:mad::thumbsd:Why couldnt they replay his concert on monday instead of hijacking a live event?
charcolechaddy
27 Oct 2008, 09:18
someone needs to find out who is resposable for this **** up.
I can't believe there was another reason out there to hate Andre Rieu.
your hate has made him powerful!
UFC 91 will be torrented and watched by me before it's even shown on Main Event, crazy. Silly move by Foxtel.
Ditto, and I'll save some money too. Would have paid for it if it was live though.
Edit: About getting live tickets, I'll probably be in Vegas with a couple of mates when UFC 92 is on. Was going to get tickets this weekend but all the cheap tickets are gone. Buying a more expensive ticket isn't an issue for me but I don't think my mates would want to pay anything over $200. Does anyone know if they release more tickets once everything is set up or will I have to hunt around on eBay and StubHub to get something cheap? Worst case will be buying one ticket on the day of the event and just go alone - no chance that I miss Wanderlei vs Rampage.
Prediction time, the event is less than a week away. I'd be more excited if ****ing Andre Rieu didn't force me to go into hibernation on Sunday and possibly Monday at work if the torrent isn't available in time.
Main card
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - I'd feel wrong betting against Randy but I'm really not sure how he'll win, can he hold Lesnar against the cage and box in the clinch when he's giving up close to 25kg? If Lesnar is able to control where the fight takes place he should win
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - a battle to determine the best lightweight in the UFC who isn't BJ or Sherk, Florian takes it by decision
Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone - Amir by TKO, can't see why this fight is on PPV and not on a Fight Night event
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - Gonzaga by head kick
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - hopefully Maia by awesome choke, although I give Nate a fair chance to knock him out before the fight can get to the ground
Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs Tamdan McCrory - McLovin by submission, hopefully a flying armbar
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs Aaron Riley - how does Jorge still have a job with the UFC?
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs Rafael dos Anjos
Lightweight bout: Alvin Robinson vs Mark Bocek
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs Ryan Thomas
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - Randy to find a way. He's too crafty, too experienced for Lesnar.
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - Florian was awesome in his last fight. He's just getting better and better. It'll probably go the three rounds, but I agree with Ross. Florian takes it by decision.
Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone - Sadollah. I don't even know who Catone is. Obviously a stepping stone for Amir.
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - Gonzaga to get back on track. He's a better fighter than what he's been showing.
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - note to Nate Quarry. Stay on your feet! If this one goes to the floor, you're a goner. If Maia can submit Jason MacDonald he can certainly submit you.
Main card
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - Randy to TKO Lesnar after he gasses out after his 10th TD is stuffed
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - Stevenson is smarter than people give him credit for. I think he has the athletic advantage to beat Florian's game plan
Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone - I'm not really a fan of Sadollah, as a matter of fact I think that season of TUF was crap. But he's been given an ROC fighter I've never heard of who has stopped all his 5 fights in the 1st bar one. Fight probably deserves to be on the undercard, and will reflect that, Sadollah probably by majority.
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - Another fight that should be on the undercard. Josh who?
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - Shaping up to be the fight of the night. I'm a massive Quarry fan since TUF 1 and while I love Maia his awesome BJJ, Nate has one of the biggest hearts in MMA. (not much of a chin though). I think Quarry with the Split dec.
Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs Tamdan McCrory - Seems stright forward. McCrory with a shot though
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs Aaron Riley - Stright forward
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs Rafael dos Anjos - Tought to call. I like dos Anjos
Lightweight bout: Alvin Robinson vs Mark Bocek - Tought to call again.
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs Ryan Thomas - Go you crazy immortal
red+black
10 Nov 2008, 15:29
Currently in Arizona, off to Monday Night Football tomorrow (49ers @ Cardinals) then fly out to Vegas on Tuesday morning, will be there for 8 days.
Good luck getting tickets dude.
RobbyRoy
10 Nov 2008, 23:12
Main card
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - Sorry guys, I just can't see Randy winning it.
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - bit of a toss-up for me this one. I'll say Joe by decision
Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone - Amir by TKO
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - Haven't heard much of Hendricks, but Gonzaga should be able to beat most
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - we're all hoping for a slick submission, so let's hope he delivers
Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs Tamdan McCrory
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs Aaron Riley
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs Rafael dos Anjos
Lightweight bout: Alvin Robinson vs Mark Bocek
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs Ryan Thomas
Main card
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - Randy. I can't go against him. I'll just be pissed as hell if he loses. Randy by dirty boxing, by getting in and grinding. By avoiding damage and getting up and not letting Lesnar lay on him. Make distance, leg kick feint to uppercut or flying knee. Go Randy! I wanna see Randy v Nog!!!
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - tough to call. Joe Daddy is worthy, this will be a great fight. Personally I think Kenny will not want to engage Joe and will move away and score a decision victory with strikes. I really hope it goes to the ground though, I'd love to see these guys hit the mat and see who's better. I'd actually think Joe has the edge on the ground.
Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone - Amir, but for some reason I think he could be upset by this newcomer.
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - Gonzaga by sub
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - Maia by choke or armbar
Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs Tamdan McCrory
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs Aaron Riley - VERY last chance for Jorge, this is it, last, last chance. That being said, time for a win.
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs Rafael dos Anjos
Lightweight bout: Alvin Robinson vs Mark Bocek
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs Ryan Thomas
Presti_is_god
11 Nov 2008, 12:40
Main card
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - I think we are gonna see a bit of a back and forth kind of fight. Randy will have success standing but i dont think he can finish it. I think Brock will be able to take 3 rounds by taking him down and pounding him, I cant see Randy getting out from under Brock.
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - Kenny had the better strikes and Is good enough to keep it standing and avoid any submission should he hit the ground.
Middleweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone - I'll go with Amir, Hes got quality training, UFC experience and has shown a natural kind of talent for MMA, you dont win tuf as an 0-0 fighter without talent.
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - Gabe must win this, Hes almost fighting for his UFC career here. Never seen Hendricks fight but hes on a big streak be it against total no name guys, His losses have come to Trav Wiuff, Tom Murphy, Valeir Pliev and Sam Hoger, granted the last loss was in 05. Its not exactly a stellar list of guys to have lost to if your about to fight Gabe Gonzaga. Wiuff and Hoger dont even fight hw anymore.
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - Quarry is tough but Maia is a legit prospect. Rob Drysdale just said in an interview Maia is the best bjj guy in the UFC. He should be able to get him down and once he does it will be pretty quick.
Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs Tamdan McCrory
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs Aaron Riley
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs Rafael dos Anjos
Lightweight bout: Alvin Robinson vs Mark Bocek
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs Ryan Thomas
Will Gurgel just please lose this fight so we dont have to see him ever again.
Sodallah's out of the card, leg infection or something. No replacement as yet.... Also I think I'll change my tip to Joe Daddy over Kenny. Just got a feeling he might win this one...
UFC site says they couldn't find a replacement for Sadollah so Hazelett's fight has been moved to the main card :thumbsu:
GeneralDisarray
12 Nov 2008, 17:34
That really sucks about Sadollah. I was looking forward to seeing him fight.
Strange. I seem to be the only person not impressed with Sadollah's ability. That TUF was scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think he's going to go anywhere.
Strange. I seem to be the only person not impressed with Sadollah's ability. That TUF was scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think he's going to go anywhere.
Some truth in that. He's young though, and can get better. Sadollah could win his share of fights, but he'll never be world champion, I wouldn't think.
GeneralDisarray
13 Nov 2008, 11:18
Strange. I seem to be the only person not impressed with Sadollah's ability. That TUF was scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think he's going to go anywhere.
He's just starting out but he has some talent and a very likeable personality which makes him enjoyable to watch.
I got nothing against the guy, I just don't think he's any good. I don't think any of TUF 7 guys are that good. Seriously, I have better BJJ than a lot of those guys, and the ones who did have sweet subs had no stand up at all. The submissions Sadollha was getting wouldn't catch a white belt at my club. The only one who was at all impressive was Jessy Taylor and that was due to his athletic ability (His pea like brain making that moot).
I just think Amir is going to get killed when asked to fight a guy like Cote or Bisping and I don't care how young he is, he's a class or two below the stock UFC fighter.
Sodallah would probably have blue belt BJJ skills, at least from the bottom, but I think his calmness under fire gives him an advantage disguising his overall level of skill. Agreed that he'd be in big trouble fighting anyone top 50 MW, but he'll start with easy guys and work his way up... Putting him in the cage at this stage at anyone near Bisping, etc would be nothing short of NSAC-sponsored murder.
The UFC Countdown show is on in 10min
I got nothing against the guy, I just don't think he's any good. I don't think any of TUF 7 guys are that good. Seriously, I have better BJJ than a lot of those guys, and the ones who did have sweet subs had no stand up at all. The submissions Sadollha was getting wouldn't catch a white belt at my club. The only one who was at all impressive was Jessy Taylor and that was due to his athletic ability (His pea like brain making that moot).
I just think Amir is going to get killed when asked to fight a guy like Cote or Bisping and I don't care how young he is, he's a class or two below the stock UFC fighter.
Taylor is a boring wrestler nothing more who got smashed by CB, Sadollah and CB were clearly the 2 best guys and Sadollah beat him twice via subs
he has a muay thai background and can take a punch so if he keeps improving he will win a fair few fights imo, your kidding yourself if you think a 0-0 guy will get put up against Bisping or anyone top 10 until he has atleast a few fights, the worst tuf winner is Danzig he beat no one
my picks - Brock, Kenny, Maia,
RobbyRoy
15 Nov 2008, 15:18
Enjoyable UFC Countdown last night. I'm not as big a fan of Randy as some here, and most Americans, but he's had a hell of a career. It would be awesome to see him win, but Lesnar made him look like a little boy at the weigh ins. This violinist guy is sure pissin me off too. First he delays the UFC broadcast now I'm seeing ads for him every 5 minutes.
UFC 91 will be torrented and watched by me before it's even shown on Main Event, crazy. Silly move by Foxtel.
Agreed. Delayed UFC?! That dog won't hunt, Monsignor. I think it's $5 cheaper than it normally is, still not good enough though for the card on offer.
Hope Randy wins, and I think he will. Now we just have to sit back and enjoy the absolute belting Nog will put on Mir and we can finally get Randy vs Nog.
TheTrav
16 Nov 2008, 00:44
Enjoyable UFC Countdown last night. I'm not as big a fan of Randy as some here, and most Americans, but he's had a hell of a career. It would be awesome to see him win, but Lesnar made him look like a little boy at the weigh ins. This violinist guy is sure pissin me off too. First he delays the UFC broadcast now I'm seeing ads for him every 5 minutes.
Yeh far out that is pissing me off, not going to bother with the delayed telecast.
:mad::mad::mad:
I think Lesnar will win, if he takes couture down he will dominate the fight, it may end up a bit boring due to the fact Lesnar couldn't submit a kitten, but he will GNP Couture.
Wow what a ****ing joke. Get ****ed Foxtel.
I hate that ****ing poofter already and this just increases my hate for him.
TheTrav
16 Nov 2008, 12:34
Well guys if you have Sopcast on your computer
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/24267
Quick fights so far, Gonzaga beasted that guy lol
Dagless
16 Nov 2008, 14:09
Crowd is loving Couture....
EDIT: Spoiler
lleeessnarrrr!!!
Strike to the back of the head, knocks Couture down and Lesnar just jumps all over him, raining blows... Ref calls if off...
TKO... UFC has a new champion...
http://chatbites.com/iB_htmla/non-cgi/emoticons/bowing.gif
All hail the winner:
LESNAR!
Ahh shit. Fair enough Lesnar won fair and square.
Very disappointing but as a Randy fan, the guy really is past it. I know I was tipping with the heart not the head, but you could see the year off and age/reflexes have really taken its toll. Lesnar is legit though. His size and LnP/grind wrestlers style is built for the UFC and its rules. I do think though his 'undisputed HW champion of the world' title is a little underserving. I hope (most likely) Nog and his technical skill overcome Lesnar's brute power and size though, otherwise I cant say I'm enthused about the current state of HW fighting.
Florian was awesome. Definately a title shot now. I think Joe Daddy underestimated Kenny's ability. Fantastic performance and a title fight with BJ Penn would be a brilliant match up.
Maia continues to impress with his ground wizardry. Gabe also brought back a great performance. Lots to like there.
Hope to see Lesnar vs Carwin sometime.
Sounds like Lesnar destroyed him. Easy way to make 400k if you can get it
Barryoldmate
16 Nov 2008, 20:35
I was un-impressed with lesnar performance. he out weighed randy by about 60 pounds and couldn't even keep randy on his back.
hopefully nog beats mir at ufc 92 and then gets brock,nog would tool lesnar.
RobbyRoy
16 Nov 2008, 21:04
I was very impressed with Lesnar's performance. That was one of the all time greats he was fighting, and he knew it. He didn't underestimate Randy and charge in and rush things, he found the pace and went from there. I don't think he's unbeatable, as people are saying now, but he showed some solid striking (especially knees) and a good chin, to go with his wrestling, size and athletic ability. I think Nog will sub him, but once he gets some solid BJJ training he'll be real good.
Maia's fight was great, Gonzaga looked good aswell and impressive stuff from KenFlo, BJ will wreck him after he's done with GSP though.
Good win by Lesnar, didn't think he'd do it, but he's a huge fast powerful dude and he caught Randy and finished him. With a few more years of real solid training he'll be absolutely awesome. Needs to fight Nog asap so we can settle the interim championship crap and crown the UFC HW champ.
The Night Shift
17 Nov 2008, 07:09
Great win by Dustin Hazelett. Great technician. Maia was excellent.
Well done Lesnar on HW Championship. Wasn't sure he could beat Couture but he did.
Lesnar at right age for peak and will only get better.
I love Randy but Lesnar winning was worth it for all the meltdowns on the Sherdog forums and the like. Some fans are so butthurt by Lesnar winning the title that they're accusing Randy of taking a dive.
I'd have Nog as the favourite against Brock. The main hurdle is if the beatings he's taken have slowed his reflexes down enough that he can't tie Brock up on the ground. I thought Randy looked pretty good though, the shot he got tagged by was the same type of shot that Serra buckled GSP with, it really messes with your balance and senses.
Florian was dominant. A fight with Penn would perhaps be too tough but if BJ defeats GSP and vacates the title a rematch with Sherk would be a great test to see where he much he's improved.
Maia and Hazelett are beasts on the ground. Both are still a bit limited on the feet to dominate the division but if either guy learns to strike they'll be champion material. Hazelett's Tanner beard was even better than Rogan's too. Hopefully Gonzaga makes a step back up in competition now, he hasn't been tested at all in his last two fights.
From the prelims, Stephens' wind-up uppercut KO was almost straight from a Popeye cartoon. Matt Brown has been pretty solid but like most of the TUF 7 cast I don't know if he'll rise much further up the card. Jorge Gurgel is still stupid.
GeneralDisarray
17 Nov 2008, 11:36
Was very impressed with the card. On paper it didn't look that great but all the fights were good.
Maia did what he does best and put on a BJJ clinic. I think his call to fight Bisping would be an interesting match up and both fighters would be tested.
I enjoyed seeing Matt Brown win. He's not a star but the guy works hard and has a heart. I was really surprised to see he's been working on his BJJ.
Gonzaga's KO was good
Stephens' KO was brilliant. The uppercut was straight out of Mortal Kombat. My neighbours would've heard me shout "OOOOOOHHHH!!!!!!!!!"
Dustin Hazelett's omoplata was a thing of beauty and he clearly has the best BJJ skills out of all the cast members of "Deliverance".
Kenny Florian put on a clinic of MMA:101. He demonstrated everything - punches, kicks, takedown defence, takedowns and submission. I'm a big fan of this guy. It's obvious that he trains harder than most because his cardio is outstanding. He's intelligent too and seems like a good bloke. He's been working so much on getting his strikes to another level that people have forgotten how good his jiu jitsu is. I'm gonna have trouble watching him fight BJ Penn because I won't know who to barrack for (although I'll have the same problem when Penn fights GSP).
Brock Lesnar won a lot of respect tonight but he's still quite green and has obvious flaws. I liked how he was humble in victory and it's obvious that he's worked hard to get where he is. He still needs to work on his ground game because it looks like he doesn't know what to do when he takes an opponent down. Once again, he just laid on top of Randy without throwing strikes or going for a submission.
It'd be interesting to see Brock fight Minotauro but I'm holding my breath for Brock vs Fedor ;). If Brock fights Nog and beats him I think Dana White is gonna make Fedor an offer he can't refuse. Fedor will sign with the UFC, especially if Affliction keep jerking everyone around.
Jorge Gurgel is still stupid.
LOL
hawks realist
17 Nov 2008, 11:52
nog has to beat Mir first before he gets a shot at Brock,even then i think Brock will be too much to handle for Nog or Mir.Brock has shown good improvement since he lost to Mir and i would love to see him avenge that loss by smashing Mir.I think Gonzaga has the best chance of beating Brock out of the current Heavies because he has big power,good striking and black belt bjj.(apart from Fedor)
Southerntakeover
18 Nov 2008, 02:30
Top performance by Lesnar. This guy will carry the UFC heavyweight division for a long time i think.
It really struck me watching this, that it was a perfect 'passing of the torch' moment.
Presti_is_god
18 Nov 2008, 07:57
ooh 8 outta 9 on my picks.
Nog will rape him though.
What does this do to Randy's wish to fight Fedor?
Agree on Gurgel.
From the prelims, Stephens' wind-up uppercut KO was almost straight from a Popeye cartoon.
haha was it ever, absolutely nailed him, i'd rate that one of the best ko's i've ever seen in any of the combat sports. when it happened i was a cross between ohhhhh and wow and laughing hysterically if you can imagine that. And gurgel i agree what the hell is he thinking not wanting to use his bjj to win the fight. rogan reckons gurgel thinks it's not attractive enough, what so you don't use your greatest strength at all then? that's stupid thinking i'm sorry.
lesnar is a beast, and he is improving. randy looks old but i think his best weight has always been 205 anyway. dead set dana should make randy v wand happen after the rampage fight, i think randy could cap off his magnificent career by winning the LHW belt again. lesnar is a freak dude with similar strengths to him i wouldnt say randy's finished just because he lost to lesnar.
I think Randy should fight Coleman. Old school fight!
Randy still has a bit to give, but the LHW would be pretty unforgiving, although I'd really like to see a fight between him and Wand or Rampage. It would be very cool to see Randy fight for the title at LHW, but he would really need to go back and earn it. He can't just be given title shot after title shot. I also would really like to see him fight Nog That would be an epic fight. Even Herring or Werdum (assuming he's still around) would be interesting.
Deej is right though that he's probably better suited at LHW.
I think now Brock has taken out Randy at HW, the Fedor fight looks less probable as Randy has lost his lustre. And really, most people agree Randy would take a real beating. I'd prefer they not fight anyway and preserve the 'what if' factor of the fight.
Randy himself said even after the Brock fight, that Fedor would tear brock apart. So if Brock is not yet ready for Fedor, Randy would likely be destroyed at his age.
Brock is a real beast and with time he is going to get very very good. People also forget (as I did) that Brock isn't a normal fighter who needs to earn money and scrap their way up the ranks. He is already a millionaire and can hire the best of the best trainers and team and have first class facilities and train non stop. This is a massive advantage. He is still green, but he has the potential to be at the top for a LONG time.
Well it was a bloody good show. Lesnar took the next step, though I'm still of the opinion he's not there yet, I don't care if he's got the belt, Matt Serra had it too. Poor old Randy is the second great this year to find himself on the wrong side of the hill, and a bit further back down the other side than we'd all like. Still props to Brock, he's showing potential, and has GSP's athleticism while weighing 265lbs. Who needs striking technique when your hands are the size of basketballs and you hit with the force of a train? I wanna see him fight Carwin. Screw the title shots, with Nog/Mir I just wanna see two massive meatheads shake the ground in a different time zone when they fight. Nog can sub his arse later.
I am officially on the Maia and Florian bandwagon. Both these dudes rock hard. How funny was Stephenson bitch talking during the fight only to get mounted and then choked out. My only concern with Florian is his body. He is not a natural specimen at all but makes up with it with a work ethic to be admired and a brain like razor. That sort of makes him Cameron Ling but BJ Penn is Lance Franklin and life's not fair like that. It'll still be a good fight. Maia is simply the best BJJ fighter in MMA atm. Jacare has better BJJ but tends to get knocked out more often. It'll be interesting to see Maia come up against some of the excellent strikers in a stacked 185 div. I hope he has a chin.
Loved the Hazelet sub and that sweet sweet Stephens upercut too. It looked like the dude died on the spot. I must have replayed that 15 times.
Some bloody good fights out of a card that was a bit so-so. God damn I love MMA.
GeneralDisarray
19 Nov 2008, 23:00
Maia reckons he's ready for Anderson Silva. How funny was it seeing Anderson Silva in that pink shirt? I guess when you're that good you can get away with wearing anything. For example:
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I thought UFC 91 was a really enjoyable card, and it was definitely a case of the undercard fights beating the Main card fights for entertainment value! All of the fights on the main card were over with quickly and some of the undercard fights were classics!
Heavyweight Championship: Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar - It's hard to know what to really make of this fight. Is Randy past it now? I have to admit, to me, he didn't quite look his old self. But I did think he shaded Brock in the first round, before Lesnar tagged him in the second. Was it a lucky punch? Maybe time will tell. Full credit to Lesnar though. He did show class in his victory. He's getting better, but I think he'll find it harder against a BJJ specialist like Nogueira or Mir. And as far as I'm concerned, he isn't champion of anything until he beats the winner of that bout.
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson - Stevenson was actually looking very comfortable there in the first round before Florian just turned it on. Great win. He deserves a title shot. Agree that Florian seems like a good guy. I didn't like him until I heard him do commentary. Now I'm a fan. I hope he beats Penn.
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks - As someone wrote before this fight, Josh who? Gonzaga looked awesome to me. He'd stacked on some muscle and lost some puppy fat. He needs to go against a better opponent now, but he's a quality fighter that's for sure.
Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs Demian Maia - In pro-wrestling Brett Hart became known as "the excellence of execution". Well, I reckon they could give that name to Maia in MMA! His BJJ is just awesome! :D You knew that as soon as he'd got Quarry on the ground early in the first round, it was only a matter of time. I'm liking Maia a lot. It's a pleasure to watch him fight.
Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs Tamdan McCrory - This was a terrific fight between two highly talented young fighters. Dustin Hazelett. Remember that name. This young man's going to be a star. Just showed awesome ground skills. And I loved his beard to boot. :thumbsu:
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs Aaron Riley - A few people on here were bagging Gurgel, but he certainly knows how to entertain the crowd. This was fight of the night for mine. Just a terrific contest between two guys who just went for it hammer and tongs. Impressive comeback win by Riley.
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs Rafael dos Anjos - Another entertaining fight capped off by that remarkable uppercut. I think we'll all remember that one for a while. :D
Lightweight bout: Alvin Robinson vs Mark Bocek - Another fantastic display by a BJJ black belt. Great win by Bocek who just dominated Robinson on the ground in another entertaining fight.
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs Ryan Thomas - Gutsy win by Brown. I was very impressed with the all-round ability he showed in this fight. He's never going to win a title, but he's another who entertains.
Jumpin' Jimmy
20 Nov 2008, 06:37
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