View Full Version : Should he stay or should he go??
Aussie_Roo
19 Feb 2001, 14:53
Firstly, I must say that I am a Greg Miller fan, and I recognise that he is an important part of our club. In his previous roles at the club, he has recruited Carey, Longmire etc... at bargain prices - however that was his job (to recruit players) and what he was paid to do.
Yes, he is very innovative and an excellent administrator as has been proven over the past decade or so.
Is he responsible for our loss? Of course he is, he is the CEO and the buck stops at him.
If he was in the corporate world would he be sacked?? Highly likely he would.
Does he deserve the bagging he is getting from some supporters?? Personally, I think he has enough browning points left before he starts to get bagged..
Greg Miller is a North Melbourne person through and through, I'm seen him sell memberships in a tent, we've sat behind him at the footy in the outer. He has even called me at work to sort out membership problems last year. Only time will tell, whether he has put in the appropriate plans to get us out of this financial mess, but right at this minute he deserves the support of all Kangaroo supporters - and if he wants to leave - we should respect his decision and thank him for his efforts. Surely, after 17 years with the same organisation he is entitled to be burnt out..
Greg Miller has put in 17 years at the club.I have nothing but admiration for him. He is a straight talker, he is loyal, hardworking and he has football clout. The board along with Greg Miller should be taking responsibility for last years loss, not just Greg Miller. I hope Greg takes care of his health. If he needs to leave for health reasons I will respect his decision.
Carey_is_King
19 Feb 2001, 15:16
I agree with most of what you have said, and he rang me once about membership and I ended up having a 15 minute chat with him about the 1998 GF. A very nice guy, and nobody could doubt where his heart is.
My problem with the current situation is this,viz;
1. He says he was surprised by the result. If I used that excuse in my job, I would be collecting my final pay. He is paid to know how we are travelling, else how can he say he is managing it ?
2. He says that he still believes that Sydney is the answer. Does anyone still agree with that ? Surely Sydney is one of the reasons we are in this mess.
3. Our solution to our crisis is to try selling 100 @ $8,500 "memberships" to corporates and others. Why would they suddenly start buying them ? What do they gain ? Why have we not done this already ? We don't seem to be able to manage our other memberships properly (I still don't have my membership and round 2 of the Ansett Cup looms on the horizon - same as last year and the year before.), so how would we manage these ?
4. The club is far too coy about the time/date/location of the AGM for my liking. Looks to me like they want to avoid any questioning.
In summary, too many questions and not enough answers. I can tell you for a fact, that this type of result in the corporate world is a career buster.
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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.
choppyhard
19 Feb 2001, 15:51
Until the AGM is held, the financial report made available it is only speculation as to what caused this years loss. Given that the Sydney games were supposedly underwritten, the loss appears to have come from normal day to day operations. My guess and its only a guess as no one has seen the report that gate receipts were significantly below expectations.
As for him being sacked if he was in the corporate world I doubht it, he would most likely get a bonus. Seriously we need to see the financial report before any conclusions can be drawn.
Carey_is_King
19 Feb 2001, 16:09
Originally posted by choppyhard:
Until the AGM is held, the financial report made available it is only speculation as to what caused this years loss. Given that the Sydney games were supposedly underwritten, the loss appears to have come from normal day to day operations. My guess and its only a guess as no one has seen the report that gate receipts were significantly below expectations.
As for him being sacked if he was in the corporate world I doubht it, he would most likely get a bonus. Seriously we need to see the financial report before any conclusions can be drawn.
You have never worked in the corporate world have you. If you had, you would know better than to make statements like that.
It doesn't wash blaming our loss on gate receipts, by the way. We knew before the season started what our draw was, and we therefore knew from which games we would pocket the gate recipts.
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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.
I'm not too sentimental about Miller staying or going but I dare say he'll hope to be wading through his fair share of job offers after alluding to to the press of his imminent departure from NMFC.
What was that he said over & over again late last year about Bell chasing the highest bidder? I'm prepared to eat my words if Miller stays on.
He can stay till Wayne takes over, do you think he could handle it along with the coaching.
choppyhard
20 Feb 2001, 13:22
CIK,
So you are saying that accountants or economists can predict the future. The only thing they can predict is the past and then it based upon simplified hypothesis and formuli made to fit what the past was.
Schimma had to go when the team did not perform.
Miller has to take the blame for this latest debacle!!!
Carey_is_King
20 Feb 2001, 14:33
Originally posted by choppyhard:
CIK,
So you are saying that accountants or economists can predict the future. The only thing they can predict is the past and then it based upon simplified hypothesis and formuli made to fit what the past was.
Very good Choppy. I will suggest to one of my colleagues that they might use that excuse the next time they miss budget. I will then lead the collection for their departure gift. You are really in for a painful lesson if you ever venture into corporate management.
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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.
Originally posted by choppyhard:
CIK,
So you are saying that accountants or economists can predict the future. The only thing they can predict is the past and then it based upon simplified hypothesis and formuli made to fit what the past was.
Bugger it, I'm quitting my uni degree and going into more reliable economic forecasting. So who's got the tarot cards? http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/wink.gif
choppyhard
21 Feb 2001, 16:39
Originally posted by Carey_is_King:
Very good Choppy. I will suggest to one of my colleagues that they might use that excuse the next time they miss budget. I will then lead the collection for their departure gift. You are really in for a painful lesson if you ever venture into corporate management.
I really can't be bothered with this but you asked for it,
I don't know what makes accountants so dumb but it really works.
Accountants don't know the meaning of the word "ethics" - but then again they don't know the meaning of most words.
I don't think accountants are dumb, but what's my opinion compared to that of thousands of others.
blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, etc, etc
Even the thought of entering into corporate managment is a painful lesson
and where would I leave my brain, ethics, and morality when entering this so called proffesion.
PS No more correspondence from Choppy on this topic will be entered.
The only reason North has survived over the last 20 years is because of the clubs administration. This clubs admin over the years has had more foresight than all the others put together. Unfortunately, demographics, and more recently our supporters are the ones that have let the club down. They are happy to watch games on TV, but not to buy memberships. These are the people that you should critisise, NOT Greg Miller! We are lucky that these unfortunate events are happening now, and not 5-6 years ago. We will trade out of this situation... if the supporters do just that.
perhaps as an after thought, those people that support Greg and all his efforts over the years, could show some consideration by posting him a letter of support. I'm sure it would mean the world to him to know that you support and appreciate his efforts. like I said, if it wasn't for people like Greg, there would be no North.
Think about it.
Rooboy 96
22 Feb 2001, 07:43
Great to have someone to stand beside Redd...
I don't really care either way. I have always found him rude though - that's on a personal level.
I'm with Hilton but only because we used to sell memberships for about 3 years wunning for the club in our own time as volunteers.
It was about Round 5 in the home and away season and we had a tent set up outside the Ponsford Stand, we'd been there for about 4 hours selling the memberships and the siwen was blown for the start of the game.
We told Gweg and another North employee that we were leaving to watch the match as there was no one hanging around to buy memberships by this time. Gweg threw a hissy fit telling us we had to stay for at least another 20 minutes and basically didn't give a rats arse if we missed the first quarter or not.
Remember, we were VOLUNTEERING.
We hadn't missed a week helping out the club selling memberships, doing phone awounds getting members to we-join, selling waffle tickets, etc and this is the way he tweated us, needless to say the other North employee let him have it for his outbuwst towards us.
And I didn't appweciate attending a North function that WE PAID FOR and being asked half way thwough to get up and sell waffle tickets for them as they didn't have enough people to go awound to the tables, this wouldn't have bothered me so much if it wasn't duwing our meal!
Having got that off my chest, I think he has done a great deal for the club, but as a person and the way he tweated us on those occassions sucks!
[This message has been edited by Malibu (edited 21 February 2001).]
Seems there is another side to Greg?
There certainly was on these 2 occassions, who knows, maybe he was having an off day or 2.
[This message has been edited by Malibu (edited 21 February 2001).]
When I was in Year 11 or 12 I had to do a media assignment for school, and Greg was very helpful in organising a fairly well-known player (Jose Romero) for me to interview for about half an hour. Greg also gave me half an hour of his own time to answer the million and on equestions I had written out.
Even though the buck has to stop with the boss when the club suffers an "unexpected" huge loss, I still think the club would benefit if Greg stayed on, as the recent bad result has somewhat tended to overshadow the good things he has done for the club.
Carey_is_King
22 Feb 2001, 15:29
Originally posted by choppyhard:
I really can't be bothered with this but you asked for it,
I don't know what makes accountants so dumb but it really works.
Accountants don't know the meaning of the word "ethics" - but then again they don't know the meaning of most words.
I don't think accountants are dumb, but what's my opinion compared to that of thousands of others.
blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, etc, etc
Even the thought of entering into corporate managment is a painful lesson
and where would I leave my brain, ethics, and morality when entering this so called proffesion.
PS No more correspondence from Choppy on this topic will be entered.
Choppy,
I am not an accountant and I never mentioned accountants. Further, I don't see Greg as an accountant, I see him as a business manager - one who has not been managing the business.
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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.
Grendel
22 Feb 2001, 20:32
I see alot of similarities between Miller and Brian Coleman when he was president of the Hawks.
Basically you cant fault Millers endeavour to do everything he thinks it will take to keep North afloat. Coleman was exactly the same. The thing was, both these men seem to be heading in different directions to what the supporter of the side want.
Coleman was adamant that merger was our only option. He was wrong. Miller seems equally set that Sydney is Norths only option (again this is an outsiders viewpoint, sorry if i read it incorrectly) for survial. This too, i think is wrong.
The club is the supporter and the supporter is the club. Neither can survive without the other. Miller great servant that he has been, seems totally at odds with what (from my reading of it through boards like this one) doesnt seem to grasp that the 'in the outer' fan doesnt want to see North playing half its season at all points of the compass, bar the central point, Melbourne.
For the reason that he now seems to have lost contact with the needs of the grass roots fan. I think North as a club might be better served to look to a different leader.