View Full Version : Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy planned to get Chris Judd
Pevers-Legend
22 Oct 2008, 05:32
Daryl Timms
October 21, 2008 11:30pm
ESSENDON would have had Chris Judd and Irishman Martin Clarke at Windy Hill if Kevin Sheedy had had his way.
Sheedy said James Hird, who retired at the end of last season, would have played on if the Bombers had got Judd.
The Hird-Clarke deals are one of many controversial topics discussed in Sheedy's autobiography, Stand Your Ground, Life and Football.
Sheedy suggested Essendon could have offered captain Matthew Lloyd to West Coast as part of a deal to make Judd a Bomber.
Sheedy also reveals the tension between him and Bombers chief executive Peter Jackson, who led the push to end the coach's 27-season reign.
When Sheedy had a shoulder operation in 2006, Jackson told the media, without telling Sheedy, that Gary O'Donnell would fill in.
Sheedy wanted to lay the groundwork to recruit Clarke, who later joined Collingwood, to Essendon. But Jackson said the $20,000 Sheedy needed as part of a deal to bring Clarke over and get him settled was not available.
Sheedy also reveals director and former player Alec Epis and premiership players Tim Watson and Mark Thompson were among a group of people who decided in 1998 that his time was up as coach.
He said Epis had put a motion at a board meeting to replace him, but it did not get a seconder.
Sheedy said it was during the 2006 finals that he sensed he wouldn't be at Essendon beyond 2007. An opposition coach told him Essendon chairman Ray Horsburgh had said his contract would not be renewed.
Stand Your Ground, published by Pan Macmillan, rrp $49.99.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24532999-5016212,00.html
He really hates being on the outer doesn't he.
If he had have given up Lloyd - our Captain for Judd - well ....... he wouldn't have. It is very easy to say anything once the opportunity has passed.
I guess Lloyd and Sheedy might not have gotten along so well after all.
The Donners
22 Oct 2008, 06:46
He's only making himself look like a bigger tool to me than I thought he already was. What an arrogant and pompous old fart, he was unable to bring any big name to the club via a trade in 28 years and here he says he would've had Judd to the club. Someone should remind Mr. Sheedy he had a very poor reputation dealing with other clubs, WCE wouldn't have had a bar of him or that deal.
howiehowie
22 Oct 2008, 07:59
For the first time i will say it. I am glad Sheedy is gone.
I wouldn't trade Lloyd for anyone. It would tear the fabric of the club.
I'd straight swap a 30 year old Lloyd for a 24 year old Judd everyday of the week. Supporters may be pissed about losing a player of Lloyds status after all he'd done for us however within 12 months of Judd in red and black feelings would of soon changed.
I'd straight swap a 30 year old Lloyd for a 24 year old Judd everyday of the week. Supporters may be pissed about losing a player of Lloyds status after all he'd done for us however within 12 months of Judd in red and black feelings would of soon changed.
No, no they wouldn't.
Sheeds just sounds bitter. Time to let it go Kevin.
I'd straight swap a 30 year old Lloyd for a 24 year old Judd everyday of the week. Supporters may be pissed about losing a player of Lloyds status after all he'd done for us however within 12 months of Judd in red and black feelings would of soon changed.
You may have been happy to do it but i doubt the Eagles would have been ...
The_Gunny_Bomber
22 Oct 2008, 08:21
Although from a list point of view it would have been a good trade due to Lloyd's age, it would have severely damaged the culture to just trade the captain like that.
Would have loved Marty Clarke if it was in fact just a matter of $20k to set him up. You win some, you lose some....
DapperDon
22 Oct 2008, 09:13
Please Sheeds, I love ya but let it go dude. You're starting to sound very, very bitter.
DapperDon
22 Oct 2008, 09:17
"Sheedy said it was during the 2006 finals that he sensed he wouldn't be at Essendon beyond 2007. An opposition coach told him Essendon chairman Ray Horsburgh had said his contract would not be renewed."
Mark Thompson possibly?
Surely Ray wouldn't have been going around gloating that Sheeds was on his way?
You may have been happy to do it but i doubt the Eagles would have been ...
No doubt, we were never truly in the hunt as there was no way we were giving up Ryder or Gumby and no way the Eagles were dealing without one or both.
Was just posting in reply to the ones saying they wouldn't trade Lloyd for Judd if it was an option.
thebigboy
22 Oct 2008, 09:51
Although from a list point of view it would have been a good trade due to Lloyd's age, it would have severely damaged the culture to just trade the captain like that.
Would have loved Marty Clarke if it was in fact just a matter of $20k to set him up. You win some, you lose some....
It would have made a mockery of the club had he traded Lloyd. You don't trade your captain period.
With Marty Clarke, im not convinced were actually that much worse off for not having him.
howiehowie
22 Oct 2008, 10:03
I'd straight swap a 30 year old Lloyd for a 24 year old Judd everyday of the week. Supporters may be pissed about losing a player of Lloyds status after all he'd done for us however within 12 months of Judd in red and black feelings would of soon changed.
You don't just trade your captain and not have any repercussions. Show loyalty to your players and they will show loyalty to you. Would honestly rather have a team of loyal players that bleed red and black and want nothing more then to play for Essendon than have a team of money grabbing mercenaries that play 4TLO$.
strategy
22 Oct 2008, 10:46
Anything to sell books , Kevin.Essendon committee and players and supporters would not have allowed that to happen .The sponsors would have hung and quartered the club if it had happened.
The idea of trading any player is to improve your squad regardless of their status. Lloyd was the one who came out at the time and mentioned how we would be a chance at Judd given the young West Aussies on our list. Getting Judd would of certainly improved our list but the loss of Ryder and or Gumby ould of depleted our list. If your captains willing to trade your latest top 2 draft picks to get a guy like Judd he must of been willing to sacrifice his own spot to benifit the team.
Ludwig van Bertstare
22 Oct 2008, 11:37
Judd didn't want to come here and West Coast wouldn't have taken a 30 year old Lloyd so this makes no sense.
i am sick of sheedy. the club owes him nothing. he is a old bitter man.
For the first time i will say it. I am glad Sheedy is gone.
I wouldn't trade Lloyd for anyone. It would tear the fabric of the club.
I wrote almost the same thing on the main board. Trading Lloyd would have so many massive consequences to the Essendon Footy Club, it wouldn't even bear thinking about.
:eek:
I would not call him bitter. He has written a book and needs to sell it so there was always going to be a bit of dirty laundry aired.
windyhill
22 Oct 2008, 19:00
Trade Lloyd ? I would have lit the first match. Stupid old man sheedy, you just keep opening your mouth and keep confirming it. You do not do that to club icons.
Hird would have played on if we drafted Judd? :confused:
I somehow doubt that Judd would have had any inpact on his decision.
Slattery_20
22 Oct 2008, 22:47
Especially if we'd just traded Lloyd to get him. Sheedy made enough ****-ups without having to invent new ones.
"Sure you would have Kev. We believe you"
Trade Lloyd ? I would have lit the first match. Stupid old man sheedy, you just keep opening your mouth and keep confirming it. You do not do that to club icons.
I think Sheeds is somewhat of a CLUB ICON in his own right. He actually mentioned in a herald sun article at the time that Lloyd wants to watch what he says or he might find himself traded after the captain offered West Coast Gumby and Ryder in the Herald Sun the previous day. Perhaps they did end up in a rift and thats the real reason Sheedy wasn't re-signed.
Beerfish
23 Oct 2008, 08:51
i am sick of sheedy. the club owes him nothing. he is a old bitter man.
What a sad, sad comment. :thumbsd:
I would not call him bitter. He has written a book and needs to sell it so there was always going to be a bit of dirty laundry aired.
Exactly. :thumbsu:
Slattery_20
23 Oct 2008, 08:57
Does anyone really believe he would have tried to trade Lloyd?
Let alone WCE taking it
Consider the effect of trying to trade a champion, the current captain, and being LOLed at on the trade table
I think he's making it up, as ant said: books need promotion
yep - sheedy must be desperate for attention with garbage like this.
for starters lloyd was on a backended contract coming on to the veterans list with only 50% of his salary contributing to TPP.
no ****ing way would have west coast agreed to pay 100% of his contract at that point. could not happen realistically.
as for trading lloyd at his age for judd i'd do it in a heartbeat but it just would not have worked. the eagles would have laughed at sheedy - perhaps he should get his clown gear back on?
windyhill
23 Oct 2008, 19:55
Perhaps they did end up in a rift and thats the real reason Sheedy wasn't re-signed.
Just another reason to love Lloyd then
Special Guest
23 Oct 2008, 20:33
I've heard the Clark story before from a very good source within the club. Also heard that Hird wanted to play one more.
What's wrong with Sheeds having a crack at Peter Jackson? The guy has been a great financial manager but he's as arrogant as anything and seems to put his two cents in about footy matters he probably should stay away from.
Jackson will be gone next year and Sheeds will be a legend of the club forever.
stander
24 Oct 2008, 12:49
I would not call him bitter. He has written a book and needs to sell it so there was always going to be a bit of dirty laundry aired.
He's not exactly destitute Ant robus so putting dollars ahead of the Dons is unconscionable.
He's not exactly destitute Ant robus so putting dollars ahead of the Dons is unconscionable.
Costs a lot of moey to water the roses out here in the Eastern Burbs :D
windyhill
24 Oct 2008, 21:36
Jackson will be gone next year
Of his own choice. There is the trick, knowing when to exit graciously
The Great Barry Besanko
24 Oct 2008, 23:20
Don't think he was serious. Would not have risked having the Eagles laugh in his face.
Maybe just a dig at Lloyd as he may have felt a few senior blokes were asked their opinions on Sheeds and they may not have replied favourably.
Can't be angry at the guy though, just a bit hurt maybe which is fair enough after 27 years.
I hope he doesn't take up the Richmond "PR" role either. The role is a bit below him tbh. Either coach, President or GM of Football Operations, nothing less.
stander
25 Oct 2008, 09:44
Costs a lot of moey to water the roses out here in the Eastern Burbs :D
At $49.99 I'm thinking he's watering his own botanical gardens out at Park Orchards.
Special Guest
25 Oct 2008, 12:43
Of his own choice. There is the trick, knowing when to exit graciously
Not sure why you would select such a small portion of my quote to make a point like that.
I think Sheeds did exit graciously... he would have seen it coming eventually and just saw out his contract. Drafting and list management is a tough gig but the list trimmings were heading in the right direction in Sheeds' final years.
Sheeds' has stirred the pot for his entire time in football. What makes anyone think he would change just because he's no longer coaching? I think it's great.
At $49.99 I'm thinking he's watering his own botanical gardens out at Park Orchards.
Its the cost of the manure ;)
ManWithNoName
26 Oct 2008, 09:56
He's turning into a bitter old man who sits on the sidelines sniping at his former club. WTF does a comment like this achieve? It hurts Essendon. It hurts Lloyd. And it makes Sheedy look immensely bad.
Also Sheeds, Judd wasn't available till September. You were told in July you'd be leaving the club. How exactly were you planning on trading for Judd?
Bomber57
26 Oct 2008, 13:25
I've heard the Clark story before from a very good source within the club. Also heard that Hird wanted to play one more.
What's wrong with Sheeds having a crack at Peter Jackson? The guy has been a great financial manager but he's as arrogant as anything and seems to put his two cents in about footy matters he probably should stay away from.
Jackson will be gone next year and Sheeds will be a legend of the club forever.
Well said :thumbsu:
Now look at all the very bitter, weak, spineless supporters having a crack at the man who helped make this club Essendon great, remember we were s##t when Sheedy came to us, he and others turned this club around and gave us many fantastic years, day and night flags, sorry I forgot that does not matter now does it, weak as piss :thumbsd:
Ludwig van Bertstare
26 Oct 2008, 13:38
So for all he did for us in the 80's, 90's means we can't criticize him for making us a rabble on field for the past 4 years?
ManWithNoName
26 Oct 2008, 14:52
Well said :thumbsu:
Now look at all the very bitter, weak, spineless supporters having a crack at the man who helped make this club Essendon great, remember we were s##t when Sheedy came to us, he and others turned this club around and gave us many fantastic years, day and night flags, sorry I forgot that does not matter now does it, weak as piss :thumbsd:
I support Essendon. Not Kevin Sheedy. Since 2002 having Sheedy at the club was a bad thing. Sentiment was the only reason he was still there in 2007. Now he's turning against the club and making ridiculous comments that do nothing but hurt the EFC and help K Sheedy. My respect for him is dropping.
windyhill
26 Oct 2008, 15:22
Well said :thumbsu:
Now look at all the very bitter, weak, spineless supporters having a crack at the man who helped make this club Essendon great, remember we were s##t when Sheedy came to us, he and others turned this club around and gave us many fantastic years, day and night flags, sorry I forgot that does not matter now does it, weak as piss :thumbsd:
12 flags pre-sheedy, not bad.
Sheedy wanting to trade Lloyd as part of the Judd deal is not that far fetched.
After all, Hardwick would have traded Lucas.
Shane Hird
26 Oct 2008, 16:03
When we moved over here 5 years ago one of the first things i noticed about most WCE fans was their mild hatred of Lloydy. The crowd gives him hell when we play at Subi.
There's no way they would've accepted him while losing Judd...no way in hell
Trade Lloyd...:rolleyes:It really does sound like it was the right time for Sheeds to go...
ManWithNoName
26 Oct 2008, 16:09
Sheedy wanting to trade Lloyd as part of the Judd deal is not that far fetched.
After all, Hardwick would have traded Lucas.
That's why he got the job. Hang on...
Longy413
27 Oct 2008, 08:59
Of his own choice. There is the trick, knowing when to exit graciously
He overstayed his welcome five years ago.
They probably both did.
Jackson saying Sheedy had fun run of the football department is utter crap.
Jackson tied the purse strings time and time again.
Jackson refused additional resourses in the fitness department, in the recruiting deparment, he made appointments without consulting Sheedy.
Great businessman, should stay away from the footy department though.
Minglis
28 Oct 2008, 10:23
Clubs cant trade captains? Tell that to Geelong and one Steven King.
Captains are footballers, and all footballers have used by dates. Attaching too much sentiment to one impedes effective list management. Essendon will go into 2008 arguably top heavy with Lloyd, Lucas, McPhee and Gumbleton likely to play forward with Neagle waiting in the wings. Lloyd and Lucas have been awesome for the club... but at what point do they switch from awesome to impeding the development of the next bomber premiership 22? I would argue they already have. Simply ask yourself, which pair is more likely to play in the next Essendon flag - Gumbleton/Neagle or Lloyd/Lucas?
Anyone who thinks Lloyd could not be traded "because he is the captain" or "because the sponsors wouldnt like it" is a clueless flog. Every player has their price.
ManWithNoName
28 Oct 2008, 10:49
Clubs cant trade captains? Tell that to Geelong and one Steven King.
Captains are footballers, and all footballers have used by dates. Attaching too much sentiment to one impedes effective list management. Essendon will go into 2008 arguably top heavy with Lloyd, Lucas, McPhee and Gumbleton likely to play forward with Neagle waiting in the wings. Lloyd and Lucas have been awesome for the club... but at what point do they switch from awesome to impeding the development of the next bomber premiership 22? I would argue they already have. Simply ask yourself, which pair is more likely to play in the next Essendon flag - Gumbleton/Neagle or Lloyd/Lucas?
Anyone who thinks Lloyd could not be traded "because he is the captain" or "because the sponsors wouldnt like it" is a clueless flog. Every player has their price.
We're not St Kilda. We're not Carlton. Anyone at Essendon Football Club who suggests we should trade our captain should be sacked immediately.
Besides, Sheedy was sacked in July. Judd became available in September. He was never going to be able to trade for Judd. This is just a petty swipe by a bitter old man who's trying to take down all those responsible for sacking him.
retroparty
28 Oct 2008, 10:52
Clubs cant trade captains? Tell that to Geelong and one Steven King.
Captains are footballers, and all footballers have used by dates. Attaching too much sentiment to one impedes effective list management. Essendon will go into 2008 arguably top heavy with Lloyd, Lucas, McPhee and Gumbleton likely to play forward with Neagle waiting in the wings. Lloyd and Lucas have been awesome for the club... but at what point do they switch from awesome to impeding the development of the next bomber premiership 22? I would argue they already have. Simply ask yourself, which pair is more likely to play in the next Essendon flag - Gumbleton/Neagle or Lloyd/Lucas?
Anyone who thinks Lloyd could not be traded "because he is the captain" or "because the sponsors wouldnt like it" is a clueless flog. Every player has their price.
Yes but you don't trade away one of the best FF ever who has proved that he can still dominate the game at the highest level and you don't put a forward line combination as your main men who have played a combined total of 15 games.
Sheedy needs to keep his trap shut. The club has done him plenty of favours, he needs to respect the EFC and not have shots at us like he has done.
KingMullet
28 Oct 2008, 15:02
Sheedy is a senile old fool. He did good things for the club previously but in the last few years he has lost the plot and put his ego first.
windyhill
28 Oct 2008, 15:47
Clubs cant trade captains? Tell that to Geelong and one Steven King.
King was not captain when traded.
yodellinhank
28 Oct 2008, 18:46
Get off Sheeds' back fellas. It's hypocritical to take cheap shots at a bloke for taking a cheap shot.
"It can be a hard thing in a footy club if the captain doesn't agree with what the coach believes is best for the team."
I'm pretty sure Lloyd looks up to Alec Epis as a mentor, and Epis had it in for Sheedy since day dot.
SirJimi05
30 Oct 2008, 10:34
A proposed trade involving Lloyd for Judd is just wrong.
People complaining about Sheeds being a bitter old man is an absolute joke!
The guy has written a book ffs.
Would you prefer it if he held everything back and made it into an absolute snoozfest like James Hirds book?
Get over yourselves people.
You know what , who really cares about all of this ?
Sheeds has gone, he was great for about 22 years we won some flags and had some fun. Its now in the past .
I supose the best thing about all of this is it is happening now. In three months time no one will be remembering too much about it and the focus will be back on footy.
SirJimi05
30 Oct 2008, 11:22
You know what , who really cares about all of this ?
Sheeds has gone, he was great for about 22 years we won some flags and had some fun. Its now in the past .
I supose the best thing about all of this is it is happening now. In three months time no one will be remembering too much about it and the focus will be back on footy.
Exactly my thoughts. Too many doo gooders in this day and age.
He has written a book which gives an honest account of his time at Essendon.
He is just being the same guy that he was throughout his entire career at Essendon.
Good luck to him.
ps - i cant wait to read the book! :)
Slattery_20
3 Nov 2008, 13:39
Exactly my thoughts. Too many doo gooders in this day and age.
He has written a book which gives an honest account of his time at Essendon.
He is just being the same guy that he was throughout his entire career at Essendon.
Good luck to him.
ps - i cant wait to read the book! :)
This is just going to annoy people, but I'm going to point out one thing:
"He has written a book which gives his account of his time at Essendon"
Which he has every right to do, and I'm sure it will be a very interesting read. But there are two sides to every story, especially where Kev's around. Your 3rd sentence is spot on though.
BLUE BLEEDING
3 Nov 2008, 19:54
this has made the essendon football club an awkward place to be.
this has done more damage than some of you may think.
bomber69
3 Nov 2008, 21:15
this has made the essendon football club an awkward place to be.
this has done more damage than some of you may think.
How so?:rolleyes: Sheedy is gone, so there is no riff there.
this has made the essendon football club an awkward place to be.
this has done more damage than some of you may think.
How so ?
Care to explain why ?
Sheedy is gone. Jackson will be gone by the end of 2009 and Eppis is that old im not even sure if he is still able to stand for election next time his spot is up.
None of it has any relevence to what is happening with the playing group now. In fact it would not be having any effect on the football department either as 90% are new and never worked under or with Sheedy.
Not the brightest spark around