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rupert pupkin 87
2 Nov 2008, 18:26
Just announced. Over 619 wickets will go down as a great. Will be missed
Indeed we have been blessed to see 3 great spinners of our time. I doubt there will be another 3 legends like them in the same era. Kumble a champion to the end and finished on his terms. Congrats Anil on a wonderful career and all the best for the future. :thumbsu::(
Good timing. Great cricketer.
Retired :confused: Don't you mean dumped ?
He was more than likely going to be boned for the next Test,but luckily he got a dickie finger that'll keep him out.
Ian Chappell:" He has got his timing just about right. He also has the satisfaction that another legspinner [Mishra] coming through. I would never forget how he took the last catch in the first innings and how he flung the ball at the stumps. Always defiant and always fighting till the end."
SriLankanCat
2 Nov 2008, 19:01
Magnificent career for a magnificent cricketer and bloke
a real fighter.
For those who wanna put forward the argument that he retired because he was gonna get dropped are silly, get over it and focus on the 600 odd wickets he took
600+ wickets.
Well played Anil.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
2 Nov 2008, 19:05
Well done on a magnificent career.
His lower order batting frustated me no-end.
Anil Kumble.
DT_fanatic
2 Nov 2008, 19:09
still in a bit of a shock, thought he'd end it after the next test. oh well, done a great service to indian cricket and will deserve all the accolades he gets.
well done jumbo.
amazing cricketer...10/74 against pakistan in 98
wish him well in his post cricket career...
agree about Mishra he would be happy to see him coming through
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
2 Nov 2008, 19:19
It's all over now.
Great career.
Cricketers of the past like to degrade achievements in this area by saying that the bowling was weak but when you have 3 of the greatest ever wrist spinners in the last 10 years playing the game you realise that it is incorrect.
Farewell Anil Kumble.
OzBomber
2 Nov 2008, 19:20
Congrats Anil. A real champion.
But could the players actually put him up higher?
There we go, on the shoulders.
That last wicket he took showed how much pride he had in playing for his nation.
Always fights until the end. Good on him.
Hope he stays in the game.
chickawah
2 Nov 2008, 20:43
2 down, 1 to go, the "Golden era" of wristspinning is almost over. Congratulations on a magnificent career Anil, I still remember that 10-fer, was incredible.
Terrible news. Great guy and champion bowler. Will be missed.
whats_at_stake
2 Nov 2008, 21:31
Absolute legend of the game. Always will be remembered as the bloke who had the mental toughness to bowl long spells and get the breakthroughs. A fine role model on how hard you have to work to be a successful international cricketer.
Made4September
2 Nov 2008, 21:52
2 down 1 to go.
I'm sure hes going to be missed!
Massive Changes coming for Indian Cricket, in 18 months time, we will undoubtedly have another 2-4 new names (one as of after the Nagpur test) and we're going to see a new brand of Indian Cricket. Possibly rather Destructive, in time!
davey_magik
2 Nov 2008, 21:55
:( .
My favourite Indian cricketer. Sure, he was a bit of a sook after Sydney, but who wasn't?
A fantastic career and one of the best role-models in cricket.
Absolute legend of the game. Always will be remembered as the bloke who had the mental toughness to bowl long spells and get the breakthroughs. A fine role model on how hard you have to work to be a successful international cricketer.
Spot on. If you looked at the guy bowl, you'd always wonder 'How the hell has he taken over 600 wickets'? When he started his career as a youngster, he was a medium pacer who could bat a little. Over time, he developed into a spinner who could tweak the ball a little.
What made him such a fantastic player was the copious amount of time he spent analyzing his opposition, in addition to the hours upon hours he spent in the nets fine tuning his game.
As you said, he's a brilliant example to all youngsters out there. If you bust your gut hard enough, you can make it as an international cricketer as well.
Cooldude
2 Nov 2008, 22:46
Fantastic, fantastic bowler. One of the best of his type. Very Tiger O'Reilly like with the way he operates, although there are critics that say he's only superb in the right conditions, he really proved some doubters wrong when he owned Australia in Australia all those years back
One of the best at bowling relentlessly accurate long spells and just wear the batsmen down with determination or subtley in bowling. Has the mental toughness to go with the skill. Just a superb cricketer that India will sorely miss for years to come. It's hard to replace a Kumble
I think it's disappointing for him the way it ended, but no matter what (current form especially), greats will always be respected. He would have loved to have finished off this series, but who knows whats really going on behind closed doors. I think mishra would have been left out for kumble's last test.
Regardless, congratulations on a great cricketing career. Seems like a decent character.
carntheroos4eva
3 Nov 2008, 07:29
Retired :confused: Don't you mean dumped ?
He was more than likely going to be boned for the next Test,but luckily he got a dickie finger that'll keep him out.
Nope. He's retired. Good to see that the old fart has finally announced that the 3rd test against Australia was his last.
JUBJUB,
Just because Anil made his decision, it doesn't mean that he got dumped.
carntheroos4eva
3 Nov 2008, 08:58
Oh and here is the link to an interview and article you might want to have a read of and a listen to.
http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/11/criticism-not-b.html?site=cricket
King Elvis
3 Nov 2008, 10:39
Will go down as one of the greats, but he disgraced himself here last Summer. Prior to that, I had a lot of respect for him.
I liked him better than Murali - despite him taking a lot fewer wickets.
Belnakor
3 Nov 2008, 12:17
Will go down as one of the greats, but he disgraced himself here last Summer. Prior to that, I had a lot of respect for him.
ditto.
Kumble was fine until he decided to have a sook after the Sydney test. His hyperbolic, ill-informed and inflamatory comments during that period have tainted what was an otherwise distinguished career.
Although I half agree, I have a feeling it wasnt in his character to sook. I reckon the BCCI forced him to sook on camera.
Hap Hapablap
3 Nov 2008, 12:47
one of the greats of our era. honestly ill never forget the 2002-2003 tests where he just kept grinding his bowling over after over and wickets came like a hailstorm. an awesome player with an excellent record and just was great to watch. never quitted at any responsibility he was given and fought to the end. the incident at the beginning of the year may be a bad mark on him but as mentioned earlier both sides were whinging and kumble never whinged before. i reckon the indian board were involved somehow.
A brilliant record, congratulations on a fine career. His comments after the Sydney Test left a sour taste in the mouth and I would hope that he regrets making them now. Perhaps we will find out, in cricket book format, soon.
It was pretty funny seeing the mob of 200 surrounding him as he walked his final lap yesterday, it would have been pretty hard to spot him amongst the ruckus.
the biggest problem in the history of indian cricket has been that there has never been an indian bowler who has taken wickets at a cost below high 20s which is why india have a win loss ratio of 96, 136 in history
for if u look at the best indian spinners, u wud know that they are/were only dust bowl specialists.
The Sim Dog
3 Nov 2008, 21:18
Might be the most underrated bowler of all time.
Bomber Bears
3 Nov 2008, 21:35
Great bowler, well done on a top career
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
3 Nov 2008, 23:40
ditto.
Kumble was fine until he decided to have a sook after the Sydney test. His hyperbolic, ill-informed and inflamatory comments during that period have tainted what was an otherwise distinguished career.
What a load of crap.
Both teams behaved like children but Kumble hasnt tainted his career by saying one sentence.
Shane Warne had an array of off-field and on-field incidents that haven't tarnished his superb career.
Both teams behaved like children but at the time my love of the Australian cricket team might have clouded my judgement of the whole incident. All types of variables and incidents came together in that match to produce an ugly spectacle that seriously jeopardised the relationship between these 2 fine teams.
Watching this series in India and seeing the disappointing crowds in such a heartland of cricket is worrying. Test cricket needs this final match to be a titanic battle, it needs to have both teams fighting for the trophy. It needs to have an Australian bowling attack firing. This game has to be a classic, i dont really care who wins, sure i want Australia to win, but whatever happens i want Australia to fight like tigers.
Cricket needs it, unless you want to be overrun by 20/20 games.
DoubleO7
4 Nov 2008, 00:19
Gun Player. Captaincy was a bit weak.
One of my favourite bowlers and one of the only decent Indian players left. You will be missed Anil.
Belnakor
4 Nov 2008, 10:26
What a load of crap.
Both teams behaved like children but Kumble hasnt tainted his career by saying one sentence.
It was a comment that simply didn't need to be made. It was hyperbolic to link the Sydney test to Bodyline, simply because a few decisions went against the Indian team. Kumble showed that day that he was gutless. True players take the rub of the green, some decisions go with you, some against. that is life.
Shane Warne had an array of off-field and on-field incidents that haven't tarnished his superb career.
Warne's behaviour on the field towards the umpires was always pretty good - the umpires had alot of respect for him, and he cultivated that because he got alot of LBWs in the latter part of his career. He never came out after a test and had a sook and a cry about some decisions. Warne is the guy was out off a no-ball for 99. He took that with class.
Both teams behaved like children but at the time my love of the Australian cricket team might have clouded my judgement of the whole incident. All types of variables and incidents came together in that match to produce an ugly spectacle that seriously jeopardised the relationship between these 2 fine teams.
What jeopardised the relationship is when the Indians said they would leave the tour if they didn't replace an umpire.
Watching this series in India and seeing the disappointing crowds in such a heartland of cricket is worrying. Test cricket needs this final match to be a titanic battle, it needs to have both teams fighting for the trophy. It needs to have an Australian bowling attack firing. This game has to be a classic, i dont really care who wins, sure i want Australia to win, but whatever happens i want Australia to fight like tigers.
Cricket needs it, unless you want to be overrun by 20/20 games.
The crowds have been very dissappointing - and what is concerning is their modern day greats like Kumble and Tendulkar are slowly going to retire in the next couple of years - and then what? Tendulkar probably puts about 10k bums on seats each and every test he plays.
Having said all that, the last test was pure test cricket. 20/20 is a fad, much like people are beginning to see that almost all 50 over matches play out pretty much the same way, 20/20 is even worse for that.
Wicked Lester
4 Nov 2008, 10:27
Great bowler and, for the most part, a good captain.
Unfortuntely his invoking of "the spirit of circket" following the Sydney test was in my view unforgiveable given his own teams previous and ongoing record of code violations.
To invoke the "spirit of circket" you need to make sure your $hit doesn't stink. Problem is Indian circket's $hit stinks every bit as much as Australia's and perhaps moreso.
It was a very unfortunate remark from a man, who by all accounts, is generally respected and admired. I'd like to think that deep down he'd take it back if he could. I guess we'll never know.
Anyhow, good luck to him.
Cooldude
4 Nov 2008, 10:43
I love how people look at a 3 mins press conference and judge him with that over a career spanning nearly two decades
He was a smart bowler, too, one of the smartest. It's amazing looking at the changes he went through with his bowling. Before the turn of the millenium, he's very much a wide of the crease, angle it in to get lbw type bowler. No real variations. Then since his shoulder operation, he learnt to bowl more stump to stump, mixing it up more with a hell lot more wrong'uns, which got him far more wickets and made him more effective overseas
He should be remembered as a man who has to live with so much unjustified criticism in India because of the different bowling style he has over the great Indian spinners of old. He never had things easy, but always had the determination and perspiration to overcome his difficulties. Two defining moments of his career, for me anyway, was when he bowled 15 overs straight with a broken jaw and got Lara out, and then in his last match, coming out with a dozen stitches in his hand and a general the day before, and bowl well and took a catch with that stuffed hand. He defines courage.
If people still wanna use the Sydney thing to judge him over such a wonderful fearless career, then they have rocks in their heads
Cooldude
4 Nov 2008, 10:46
Warne's behaviour on the field towards the umpires was always pretty good - the umpires had alot of respect for him, and he cultivated that because he got alot of LBWs in the latter part of his career. He never came out after a test and had a sook and a cry about some decisions. Warne is the guy was out off a no-ball for 99. He took that with class. .
You gotta be joking, deadset
I'm Warnie's biggest fan but he was known to have the odd episode with Aleem Dar. Overappealing and behaving like a spoilt brat when a decision doesn't go his way (right on the spot), and also not very happy with Billy Bowdon.
He got lbws because he's good enough to get them and they're out, while he's a smart dude and knows how to maximise decisions his way, it never meant that he was always respectful to the umpires, because he wasn't
Wicked Lester
4 Nov 2008, 10:48
What a load of crap.
Both teams behaved like children but Kumble hasnt tainted his career by saying one sentence.
I think he did a little. There is probably no bigger statement in cricketing history than to suggest your opponents are "not playing within the sprit of the game". Yet that is what Kumble did.
Now look at your own statement. "BOTH teams behaved like children". Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. But by your own admission, BOTH teams were involved. Yet one team charged the other with breaking a time honoured code and, as you know, it made international headlines. And because Kumble did the accusing, the mud stuck, at least in part.
As I've said on countless occassions on this forum, if you're going to invoke the "spirit of cricket" you'd better be squeeky clean.
Unfortuantely India is anything but.
Wicked Lester
4 Nov 2008, 10:54
I love how people look at a 3 mins press conference and judge him with that over a career spanning nearly two decades
To be honest I'd have more sympathy if he'd done a stupid thing on the field in the heat of the moment.
His Sydney press conference was a premeditated comment. He'd had time to consider what he was going to say, yet still said it.
He knew very well the furore it would cause.
Belnakor
4 Nov 2008, 12:02
To be honest I'd have more sympathy if he'd done a stupid thing on the field in the heat of the moment.
His Sydney press conference was a premeditated comment. He'd had time to consider what he was going to say, yet still said it.
He knew very well the furore it would cause.
If he had come out and said "look, you know, tempers are flaring, and we were incredibly upset about the result - sometimes things go with you, sometimes things go against you" type thing, which would have the measured, considered way to go about things, then he would have gone down in my mind, as one of the most cultured and gentlemanly cricketers of the last decade.
He could have gone against the grain, calmed things down and just got on with it - But instead he comes out with that comment about the "spirit of cricket" - and when it comes from a team that played an unofficial test match after their players were banned, and a team with more infractions than any other - very rich.
Belnakor
4 Nov 2008, 12:06
You gotta be joking, deadset
I'm Warnie's biggest fan but he was known to have the odd episode with Aleem Dar. Overappealing and behaving like a spoilt brat when a decision doesn't go his way (right on the spot), and also not very happy with Billy Bowdon.
He got lbws because he's good enough to get them and they're out, while he's a smart dude and knows how to maximise decisions his way, it never meant that he was always respectful to the umpires, because he wasn't
Warnie was all showmanship - only very early in his career was he ever disciplined by the ICC... as he got older he got even more cunning... but he never came out and criticised other players behaviour, or umpires after the match. Kumble did that in a premeditated and cowardly way, and his legacy is tainted for it. When India stop running world cricket, people will look back and see that he ruined his reputation with those kind of comments.
Cooldude
4 Nov 2008, 12:13
Actually I'm' pretty sure Warnie had a go at some umpires in his autobiography. Isn't that even more cowardly?
You can spin it all you want, but what Kumble said could've just been one of those heat of the moment things where he just lost a match. Even Steve Waugh called the press a bunch of ****ing **********s at the end of the VB series when the Aussies didn't qualify and he was sacked. It happens. To judge someone's career on one very isolated incident is just petty, bitter and just generally stupid
Wicked Lester
4 Nov 2008, 12:33
I think everyone's acknowledged what a wonderful bowler he's been.
Problem is he did something rather stupid and in the same way as the great Greg Chappell is rarely mentioned without a comment about the underarm (something he'd dearly love to take back), I suspect Kumble's deliberate and inflammotory comments at Sydney will haunt him for many a year, at least on these shores anyway. From the Sydney test on, whenever an Indian player transgresses, and let's face it they have plenty of form, the rank hypocrisy of Kumble's statement is amplified.
A champion bowler without any doubt at all. By all accounts he's a terrific bloke as well. But, quite fairly, some are pointing to his Sydney meltdown (where the pressure and expectations of a nation clearly got to him) as an unfortunate blemish on an otherwise wonderful career.
As I said in a previous post while to some it may be a trivial affair, for many cricket lovers there is no greater stain you can impart on an opponent than to accuse them of not playing in the spirit of the game. Kumble chose his words carefully and deliberately. There is no taking them back.
Cooldude
4 Nov 2008, 15:36
The underarm was way, way, way, way, way, way, way worse than what Kumble said. What Kumble said were just comments that people might or might not find offensive, what Greg Chappell did was a direct exploitation of the laws of the game and directly undermining the spirit of the game as a whole. Two completely different acts
I'm not gonna talk about Kumble and mention, "Oh, do you remember what he said in Sydney? What a so and so" in the same way that people mention Greg Chappell and the underarm. It would just be completely silly
I don't see Ponting being remembered for pointing at Duncan Fletcher and verbally abusing him while being seen absolutely raging as he walked to the pavilion after he got ran out. I don't see him being remembered for whinging like a sook when he kept complaining about how England's behaving badly and exploiting the fielder substitue rule.
Australians on this board keep hanging it on Kumble purely on bias, lots of them will tarnish Kumble due to what they say about the Australians and making it bigger than it actually was. The rest of the world wouldn't give a damn, and would just acknowledge Kumble as he is. Some of us really need to lighten up on comments made towards us, coz it's just quite precious and silly. It's just one small, isolated incident in an otherwise overdramatic episode totally blown out of proportion that really doesn't even rate a mention in the overall picture
themuddy#3
4 Nov 2008, 17:40
Who now takes over the mantle as most humourous name in cricket?
Wicked Lester
5 Nov 2008, 06:27
The underarm was way, way, way, way, way, way, way worse than what Kumble said. What Kumble said were just comments that people might or might not find offensive
Where on earth was a comparison made between the underarm and Kumble's comments. What I said was that in the same way as Greg Chappell is rarely mentioned without the underarm being raised, so too will Kumble's name be inevtiably tied to his "spirit of circket" outburst (certainly in Australia).
Now you can dismiss his outburst as "just a throwaway line" or such, or you can suggest the Australians are being precious. That's fine. You can believe that if you like.
But there are also a great many cricket lovers who remain incensed that someone can invoke "the spirit of circket", an infamous line used only once before in the history of cricket. It was very poor form and said not in the immediacy of battle, but at a press conference after the match had ended when he'd had time to check his emotions. He went ahead anyway.
To me, that says plenty.
Cooldude
5 Nov 2008, 17:18
Where on earth was a comparison made between the underarm and Kumble's comments. What I said was that in the same way as Greg Chappell is rarely mentioned without the underarm being raised, so too will Kumble's name be inevtiably tied to his "spirit of circket" outburst (certainly in Australia).
Now you can dismiss his outburst as "just a throwaway line" or such, or you can suggest the Australians are being precious. That's fine. You can believe that if you like.
But there are also a great many cricket lovers who remain incensed that someone can invoke "the spirit of circket", an infamous line used only once before in the history of cricket. It was very poor form and said not in the immediacy of battle, but at a press conference after the match had ended when he'd had time to check his emotions. He went ahead anyway.
To me, that says plenty.
That is a comparsion, by comparing how people tell talk about Kumble's in the same way the underarm will be talked about with Greg Chappell, it is a comparsion. Considering one incident ain't anywhere as serious as the other, it's absurd to suggest that people will talk about Kumble the same way as the underarm.
Had time to check his emotions? You do know that after such a massive Test match where they just unexpectedly lost after 5 days and the press conference was wha, a couple of hours or even less after the match just ended? That's not enough time to check one's emotions, really, considering the magnitude of the loss. If it was 3-4 days afterwards, I'd give you that, but I can't agree with you
Leo Barry You Star
6 Nov 2008, 20:49
Who now takes over the mantle as most humourous name in cricket?
Cameron White