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England all out for 221 against WA, at one stage 8/126. Amusingly their top scorer was Andy Caddick with 62* (only fifty of the innngs), not a good sign.
Worse still, the main destroyer was Callum Thorp, 4/58, a 27 year old who is yet to play first class cricket.
Brett Li
24 Oct 2002, 20:11
Originally posted by DaveW
England all out for 221 against WA, at one stage 8/126. Amusingly their top scorer was Andy Caddick with 62* (only fifty of the innngs), not a good sign.
Worse still, the main destroyer was Callum Thorp, 4/58, a 27 year old who is yet to play first class cricket.
Yeah, half the team injured, and playing on your own backyard in a warm-up match.......:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Brett Li
Yeah, half the team injured, and playing on your own backyard in a warm-up match.......:rolleyes:
Please tell us, who will be playing the Tests, and where will they be played?
Brett Li
24 Oct 2002, 21:19
Originally posted by scmods
Please tell us, who will be playing the Tests, and where will they be played?
I think England will play Australia, and unless I'm very much mistaken, the Tests will be held, at the following venues:
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide
Melbourne
Sydney
Cheers
dr nick
24 Oct 2002, 21:47
Originally posted by scmods
Please tell us, who will be playing the Tests, and where will they be played?
good point... i hope they come up with better excuses than that next time :rolleyes:
bunsen burner
24 Oct 2002, 21:56
Originally posted by Brett Li
I think England will play Australia, and unless I'm very much mistaken, the Tests will be held, at the following venues:
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide
Melbourne
Sydney
Cheers Warning, low flying aircraft.
Originally posted by Brett Li
I think England will play Australia, and unless I'm very much mistaken, the Tests will be held, at the following venues:
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide
Melbourne
Sydney
Cheers
Ah, I see. Much the same people as the curent match, in similar locations.
bunsen burner
24 Oct 2002, 22:11
Body language from England is not good. Nothing has gone right for them, but Hussein has made the mistake of letting everyone know that it is getting to him. These warm up matches count for nothing, but I bet England's confidence is deflating already.
I think England were probably thinking that they could surprise us providing everything ran smooth. Problem is, they have sustained a few injuries and now they are probably already dwelling on what could have been.
5-0 is my guess.
dr nick
24 Oct 2002, 22:23
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Body language from England is not good. Nothing has gone right for them, but Hussein has made the mistake of letting everyone know that it is getting to him. These warm up matches count for nothing, but I bet England's confidence is deflating already.
I think England were probably thinking that they could surprise us providing everything ran smooth. Problem is, they have sustained a few injuries and now they are probably already dwelling on what could have been.
5-0 is my guess.
spot on, esp with the 5-0 bit, disregarding rain.
Brett Li
24 Oct 2002, 22:24
Originally posted by scmods
Ah, I see. Much the same people as the curent match, in similar locations.
Yeah, just a few games later, with hopefully our first team out. Thank you for your concern....
Originally posted by Brett Li
Yeah, just a few games later, with hopefully our first team out. Thank you for your concern....
We might get our first team together as well. You may not have seen any of them yet, they're not playing in Perth.
dr nick
24 Oct 2002, 22:35
Originally posted by scmods
We might get our first team together as well. You may not have seen any of them yet, they're not playing in Perth.
LOL my thoughts exactly.
Brett Li
24 Oct 2002, 22:41
Originally posted by scmods
We might get our first team together as well. You may not have seen any of them yet, they're not playing in Perth.
We're just practising for our bottom of the world hit-up with Bangladesh. I hear they are doing very well in South Africa:rolleyes:
I've got to agree, maybe you can hide behind injuries if it's the first Test but not when some 27 year old who's never played 1st class cricket rips through you.
Mind you on the 97 tour to England I seem to remember a very young James Ormond ripping the Aussies apart in warm up game v Leicester.
Jokes aside (just for a moment :D ), it is only a practice game. But still, you'd rather win it than lose it.
Jokes back on.... N. Hussain c Ronchi b Thorp 1
Esperito
26 Oct 2002, 00:07
Can I just add too that it's basically a WA 2nd XI thats thrashing the pants off the poms.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 17:19
Originally posted by Esperito
Can I just add too that it's basically a WA 2nd XI thats thrashing the pants off the poms.
Really? where are the regular first team?
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 17:55
Originally posted by Brett Li
Really? where are the regular first team?
the same could be asked of the english team.....
but are you failing to realise that their guns are playing in the test side??:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Langer, Gilchrist and Martyn.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 18:11
Originally posted by nicko18
the same could be asked of the english team.....
but are you failing to realise that their guns are playing in the test side??:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Langer, Gilchrist and Martyn.
Hang on a minute, isn't Langer playing in the current match?. I've also had a look at the Baggy Green website and, unless I'm very much mistaken, Hussey and Williams are also in the aussie "squad". Haven't Angel and Nicholson also played test cricket, as has Joe Angel?. Hardly what I'd call a 2nd XI, and certainly not mugs. Now, our best bowler (Gough) is out through injury, our best allrounder is injured (Flintoff) and our two "in-form" batters are also out through injury(Tresco and Vaughan). It doesn't take much to work out why the morale is low......I wonder is the aussies would be just as punchy on tour if their best bowler (McGrath) their best allrounder (Gilchrist) and their two in-form batters( Hayden and Martyn) were all out through injury, or is this just a pommy afliction?
Originally posted by Brett Li
Hang on a minute, isn't Langer playing in the current match?
Yes, but remember this thread was started during the previous match, so it doesn't really apply any more.
AS it happened, I don't think it was a particularly accurate assessment of that team. The bowling attack in particular was pretty much our best.
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 18:33
Originally posted by scmods
Yes, but remember this thread was started during the previous match, so it doesn't really apply any more.
AS it happened, I don't think it was a particularly accurate assessment of that team. The bowling attack in particular was pretty much our best.
was just about to spell out for him that same thing.
whats even more laughable though, is that he thinks damien martyn is one of the "in-form" batsmen.
and by the way brett, if you are suggesting angel and nicholson are anywhere near OUR test standard, well then you are way off the mark.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 18:41
Originally posted by nicko18
was just about to spell out for him that same thing.
whats even more laughable though, is that he thinks damien martyn is one of the "in-form" batsmen.
and by the way brett, if you are suggesting angel and nicholson are anywhere near OUR test standard, well then you are way off the mark.
Quick question losing 4 of your most influential players affect team morale on tour. Yes/No/maybe?
Btw. first "proper" tour match, England take a 114 run first innings lead.
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 18:44
thats right brett, we do have a gun bowler missing (quite a bit better than gough) in gillespie.
and you may have overlooked the fact (since you want to start talking about the match being played now) that trescothick is playing
and if you think you have your 4 most influential players missing, and have them ahead of hussain, butcher and stewart, then you need to have a good lie down.
Brett
Results
Match Summary Result
October 2002
v ACB Chairman's XI
22 Oct 2002, Perth ACB 301/7 [50]
Eng 243 [48.5] ACB Chairman's XI won by 58 runs
v Western Australia
24-25 Oct 2002, Perth Eng 221
WA 313/6 Match drawn
I grabbed this from Baggy Green.
The match in progress at them moment is against a pretty much full strength side.
But these two results are from the Lilac Hill festival game & the game against WA's 2nd 11 & you'd have to say that they are very poor results. It's still very early in the tour but, who would be to blame for England being half fit? If they're carrying injuries then they shouldn't be on the tour anyway. It's up to the England coching to ensure their team are physically & mentally up to it surely?
Should still be a facinating tour, England are probably better than the last time they toured here, but then again so are Australia.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 18:53
Originally posted by nicko18
thats right brett, we do have a gun bowler missing (quite a bit better than gough) in gillespie.
and you may have overlooked the fact (since you want to start talking about the match being played now) that trescothick is playing
He is playing injured as we have no more batters in the Cupboard.
Now, will you answer my question?. Do you not think that having 4 of your top 5 most influential out through injury affects your on-field performance?
And to compare Gillespie (26.36) and Gough (27.57). "Quite an bit better"? An average of 1 run less and spared having to bowl against those aussie batters and given the luxury of that soft underbelly pommy sham-batsmen. Hardly a country mile ahead I would have thought?. Certainly not on current form......
Originally posted by Brett Li
He is playing injured as we have no more batters in the Cupboard.
But why is he playing injured Brett?
Why are there so many injuries?
England must take responsibilty & stop looking for excuses.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 19:00
Originally posted by nicko18
thats right brett, we do have a gun bowler missing (quite a bit better than gough) in gillespie.
and you may have overlooked the fact (since you want to start talking about the match being played now) that trescothick is playing
and if you think you have your 4 most influential players missing, and have them ahead of hussain, butcher and stewart, then you need to have a good lie down.
Butcher and Stewart the most influential? Are you tripping?. Stewie hasn't scored a run in yonks and Butch is certainly not the player either Tresco or Vaughan are. Have you been following the English summer last year, or do you base everything on Butch's 190-odd against you guys?
Now, it sounds like you need the good lie down....
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 19:02
Originally posted by BT
But why is he playing injured Brett?
Why are there so many injuries?
England must take responsibilty & stop looking for excuses.
Australia are the best team in the world any team that doesn't play their best team are going to be thrashed. There are a finite number of poms that can cut the mustard against Australia. FACT.
They had to gamble...it doesn't look like it's paid off.
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 20:48
to call flintoff a star allrounder is just laughable.
v Sri Lanka, he averaged 14 with the bat, and 52 with the ball
v India, he averaged 19.80 with the bat, and 71.40 with the ball
i think labelling him as one of the most influential players is a far cry, and a very very poor, desperate excuse :D:D:p:p:p:p
gough has been missing for yonks, so to say his absence is morale defeating is another lame call. they have now surely had time to structure a side without him.
vaughan had a good series against india, but was poor against sri lanka (worse than butcher OMG!) harldy the consistent world beater though.
oh and trescothick?? he is playing isnt he??
do you remember steve waugh, playing last ashes in the 5th test on one leg looking for excuses??
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 21:00
Originally posted by nicko18
to call flintoff a star allrounder is just laughable.
v Sri Lanka, he averaged 14 with the bat, and 52 with the ball
v India, he averaged 19.80 with the bat, and 71.40 with the ball
i think labelling him as one of the most influential players is a far cry, and a very very poor, desperate excuse :D:D:p:p:p:p
gough has been missing for yonks, so to say his absence is morale defeating is another lame call. they have now surely had time to structure a side without him.
vaughan had a good series against india, but was poor against sri lanka (worse than butcher OMG!) harldy the consistent world beater though.
oh and trescothick?? he is playing isnt he??
do you remember steve waugh, playing last ashes in the 5th test on one leg looking for excuses??
Nicko. You really are gutless. You post a load of tosh about averages..only from the Sri Lanka series, then swipe the post.
For your own personal record, as it seems you were a little too near the Bong and missed the whole series. Here are the stats for the England v India summer.
http://www-uk.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002/IND_IN_ENG/STATS/IND_IN_ENG_JUN-SEP2002_TEST_AVS.html
I think it underlines my point precisely. But don't take my word for it. A certain Mr Harbajan said that M.P. Vaughan was a exceptional talent. You may remember him from your last series in India?
:mad:
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 21:04
Originally posted by nicko18
to call flintoff a star allrounder is just laughable.
v Sri Lanka, he averaged 14 with the bat, and 52 with the ball
v India, he averaged 19.80 with the bat, and 71.40 with the ball
i think labelling him as one of the most influential players is a far cry, and a very very poor, desperate excuse :D:D:p:p:p:p
gough has been missing for yonks, so to say his absence is morale defeating is another lame call. they have now surely had time to structure a side without him.
vaughan had a good series against india, but was poor against sri lanka (worse than butcher OMG!) harldy the consistent world beater though.
oh and trescothick?? he is playing isnt he??
do you remember steve waugh, playing last ashes in the 5th test on one leg looking for excuses??
Vaughan? poor against Sri Lanka? He averaged over 71?
lol:p
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 21:04
Originally posted by Brett Li
Nicko. You really are gutless. You post a load of tosh about averages..only from the Sri Lanka series, then swipe the post.
For your own personal record, as it seems you were a little too near the Bong and missed the whole series. Here are the stats for the England v India summer.
http://www-uk.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002/IND_IN_ENG/STATS/IND_IN_ENG_JUN-SEP2002_TEST_AVS.html
I think it underlines my point precisely. But don't take my word for it. A certain Mr Harbajan said that M.P. Vaughan was a exceptional talent. You may remember him from your last series in India?
:mad:
brett, dont inhale so hard mate!!! the reason i wiped my sri lanka series posts was because i was using the statistics to swing the argument in my favour.... hardly fair. so i went back and retyped one giving vaughan fair credit for his efforts against india.
seems like you missed the whole post though :rolleyes:
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 21:05
Originally posted by nicko18
whats the matter brett li?? fled this ashes debate already?? :rolleyes:
poor form
i'm here big man. Please don't delete your posting after you realise you've made mistakes.
poor form.
:D
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 21:06
Originally posted by nicko18
brett, dont inhale so hard mate!!! the reason i wiped my sri lanka series posts was because i was using the statistics to swing the argument in my favour.... hardly fair. so i went back and retyped one giving vaughan fair credit for his efforts against india.
seems like you missed the whole post though :rolleyes:
How noble of you:rolleyes: :D
Originally posted by Brett Li
Nicko. You really are gutless. You post a load of tosh about averages..only from the Sri Lanka series, then swipe the post.
For your own personal record, as it seems you were a little too near the Bong and missed the whole series. Here are the stats for the England v India summer.
http://www-uk.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002/IND_IN_ENG/STATS/IND_IN_ENG_JUN-SEP2002_TEST_AVS.html
I think it underlines my point precisely. But don't take my word for it. A certain Mr Harbajan said that M.P. Vaughan was a exceptional talent. You may remember him from your last series in India?
:mad:
who could ever forget the turbinator :p
absolute gun talent, debatable as to whether he chucks it or not.
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 21:12
it appears that your hero flintoff (who would be lucky to make a sydney first grade side) is making a speedy recovery, and is likely to play the first test, as is trescothick.
vaughan is also likely to play (i understand) the match against Qld
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 21:14
Originally posted by hourn
who could ever forget the turbinator :p
absolute gun talent, debatable as to whether he chucks it or not.
he also has the honour of bowling a hatrick, with only 1 legitimate dismissal :p
that umpiring was very suspect that series, ive got in on DVD, very exciting though
bunsen burner
29 Oct 2002, 21:19
Originally posted by Brett Li
I wonder if the aussies would be just as punchy on tour if their best bowler (McGrath) their best allrounder (Gilchrist) and their two in-form batters( Hayden and Martyn [Ponting]) were all out through injury, or is this just a pommy afliction?
Yes. it's just a Pommy afliction. Take our 4 best players out and the Ausssies still would be pretty confident. Actually, I would be pretty confident that our 2nd XI would be able to beat the Poms.
Originally posted by Brett Li
Australia are the best team in the world. Any team that doesn't play their best team are going to be thrashed. There are a finite number of poms that can cut the mustard against Australia. FACT.
I guess you came to your senses.;)
bunsen burner
29 Oct 2002, 21:23
Originally posted by nicko18
he also has the honour of bowling a hatrick, with only 1 legitimate dismissal :p
that umpiring was very suspect that series, ive got in on DVD, very exciting though
I thought they beat us fair and square. That was the best test series that I have ever seen/watched. Harbijan's delivery seems okay, but I can't believe that anyone could think that Murilitheran isn't a chucker.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 21:23
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Yes. it's just a Pommy afliction. Take our 4 best players out and the Ausssies still would be pretty confident. Actually, I would be pretty confident that our 2nd XI would be able to beat the Poms.
You have to be kidding.
Originally posted by Brett Li
You have to be kidding.
I would be as i said in the other thread.
I reckon it would be a good even contest, but i think we may just get out on top in the end.
Even if England had no injuries.
bunsen burner
29 Oct 2002, 22:03
Originally posted by Brett Li
You have to be kidding. No I'm not.
What would ever make you think that Australia would be hanging their heads if our 4 top players were out? Australia are by far the mentally toughest team. Apart from that we could bring in 4 players who would get a start in your team.
As for our 2nd XI, you guys have had trouble beating WA and a chairman's XI. Although they are warm up games, I don't think you guys would be able to beat our 2nd XI.
Jimmy Mayer
Jamie Cox
Michael Hussey
Simon Katich
Martin Love
Brad Hodge
Sean Klingeleffer
Stuart MacGill
Brad Williams
Nathan Bracken
Paul Rofe
And that group doesn't include Mark Waugh, Michael Slater, Mathew Elliott, Greg Blewett, Damien Fleming, Michael Kasprowicz, or Michael Bevan. These are players who wouldn't be good enough.
I reckon Scott Muller would bowl you guys out.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 22:15
Originally posted by bunsen burner
No I'm not.
What would ever make you think that Australia would be hanging their heads if our 4 top players were out? Australia are by far the mentally toughest team. Apart from that we could bring in 4 players who would get a start in your team.
As for our 2nd XI, you guys have had trouble beating WA and a chairman's XI. Although they are warm up games, I don't think you guys would be able to beat our 2nd XI.
Jimmy Mayer
Jamie Cox
Michael Hussey
Simon Katich
Martin Love
Brad Hodge
Sean Klingeleffer
Stuart MacGill
Brad Williams
Nathan Bracken
Paul Rofe
And that group doesn't include Mark Waugh, Michael Slater, Mathew Elliott, Greg Blewett, Damien Fleming, Michael Kasprowicz, or Michael Bevan. These are players who wouldn't be good enough.
I reckon Scott Muller would bowl you guys out.
aha. Patriotism, the last refuge of the scoundrel
bunsen burner
29 Oct 2002, 22:20
Originally posted by Brett Li
aha. Patriotism, the last refuge of the scoundrel A bit rich from an Englishman? Those same people who still think they rule the British Empire and we are from 'one of your colonies'? When I was in London, I walked into a shop and a lady turned to her friend and said, 'Oh dear, look, it's someone from one of our colonies'.
I bet if you ask a lot of cricket experts, they will say that a test series between Australia's 2nd XI and England's 1st would be very competitive.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 22:25
Originally posted by bunsen burner
A bit rich from an Englishman? Those same people who still think they rule the British Empire and we are from 'one of your colonies'? When I was in London, I walked into a shop and a lady turned to her friend and said, 'Oh dear, look, it's someone from one of our colonies'.
Bunsen, I'd ignore idiots from whatever country you're in. I'd be confident enough in your own qualities, not those of your empire, or dare I say it, your country's cricket team
:D
bunsen burner
29 Oct 2002, 22:32
Originally posted by Brett Li
Bunsen, I'd ignore idiots from whatever country you're in. I'd be confident enough in your own qualities, not those of your empire, or dare I say it, your country's cricket team
:D Don't worry, I'm okay about that. I know that example was an anomalie, but it still sticks out in my mind (that was 10 years ago). I still find it hard to believe that someone would say something so ridiculous.
Anyways, I have found the English are much better at overrating their Country's performance than Aussies.
Brett Li
29 Oct 2002, 22:33
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Don't worry, I'm okay about that. I know that example was an anomalie, but it still sticks out in my mind (that was 10 years ago). I still find it hard to believe that someone would say something so ridiculous.
Anyways, I have found the English are much better at overrating their Country's performance than Aussies.
At least we're better than the aussies at something:D
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Anyways, I have found the English are much better at overrating their Country's performance than Aussies.
And the Australians are much better at denigrating the performances of other countries than the English.
bunsen burner
29 Oct 2002, 22:48
Originally posted by DIPPER
And the Australians are much better at denigrating the performances of other countries than the English. With one exception - the Sun and the Mirror probably outdo us when it comes to denigrating England.
dr nick
30 Oct 2002, 05:56
Originally posted by bunsen burner
When I was in London, I walked into a shop and a lady turned to her friend and said, 'Oh dear, look, it's someone from one of our colonies'.
i dont believe that tripe for one minute.
bunsen burner
30 Oct 2002, 06:22
Originally posted by nicko18
i dont believe that tripe for one minute. I still have trouble believing it myself, but that is what the lady said.
I could have just made it up to suit my argument, but if you go back and read the post and the one I was replying to, it doesn't really fit in. It actually happened.
dr nick
30 Oct 2002, 07:46
Originally posted by bunsen burner
I still have trouble believing it myself, but that is what the lady said.
I could have just made it up to suit my argument, but if you go back and read the post and the one I was replying to, it doesn't really fit in. It actually happened.
i hope you gave it to her, that is a disgraceful thing to be saying. reeks of upper class english snobbery.
ive never been to england, so i cant tell whether that sort of attitude is common, but no-one has conveyed to me that attitude out of those that have been.
bunsen burner
30 Oct 2002, 09:25
I can't remember what i said, but it is fair to say that that attitude isn't very common - hence why I was so stunned.
Esperito
30 Oct 2002, 11:10
Forget the Pommies beating the Aus 2nd XI, they couldnt even beat the WA 2nd XI in the first game they played!!
And Brett Li, yes it WAS basically a WA 2nd XI that trotted on to the park.
Callum Thorp
Beau Casson
Luke Ronchi
Michael Clark
Shaun Marsh
Kade Harvey
Chris Rogers
All these players will be struggling to make it into the Warriors 1st XI this year. Heck I'm sure you or me could do relatively well against these guys, theyre no world beaters.
Brett Li
30 Oct 2002, 15:54
Originally posted by Esperito
Forget the Pommies beating the Aus 2nd XI, they couldnt even beat the WA 2nd XI in the first game they played!!.......
All these players will be struggling to make it into the Warriors 1st XI this year. Heck I'm sure you or me could do relatively well against these guys, theyre no world beaters.
You'd probably do O.K. But as an englishman, I'd probably get psyched out, wet myself and start bowling wides when the "hard-yards" were required.
Esperito
30 Oct 2002, 17:07
What refreshing honesty.
Brett Li
30 Oct 2002, 17:44
Originally posted by Esperito
What refreshing honesty.
funny:rolleyes:
Brett Li
30 Oct 2002, 17:58
Originally posted by Esperito
Forget the Pommies beating the Aus 2nd XI, they couldnt even beat the WA 2nd XI in the first game they played!!
And Brett Li, yes it WAS basically a WA 2nd XI that trotted on to the park.
Callum Thorp
Beau Casson
Luke Ronchi
Michael Clark
Shaun Marsh
Kade Harvey
Chris Rogers
All these players will be struggling to make it into the Warriors 1st XI this year. Heck I'm sure you or me could do relatively well against these guys, theyre no world beaters.
Are we playing close to Western Australia's 1st team at the moment?
Great run chase on at the moment. Reckon a draw, but you never know....
84 runs required in 11.5 overs.
Brett Li
30 Oct 2002, 18:53
Originally posted by Brett Li
Are we playing close to Western Australia's 1st team at the moment?
Great run chase on at the moment. Reckon a draw, but you never know....
84 runs required in 11.5 overs.
Draw...pretty tense though, certainly from Cricinfo viewing anyway...
dr nick
30 Oct 2002, 21:28
Originally posted by Brett Li
Draw...pretty tense though, certainly from Cricinfo viewing anyway...
yep, and i'll bet they are all so very proud of themselves, being able to match it this time with a state side :D
cricinfo certainly builds up the tension. although i didnt do it today, you can get instantaneous ball by ball commentary in the chat rooms
Didn't the 2000 referendum prove we were perfectly happy to remain as an English colony?
Brett Li
30 Oct 2002, 23:02
Originally posted by nicko18
yep, and i'll bet they are all so very proud of themselves, being able to match it this time with a state side :D
Didn't they all but beat 'em? bowled them out twice on a "dead" wicket for less than 250?
No need to be that proud of the performance, but I'm glad the ashes campaign is moving in the right direction......
wagstaff
30 Oct 2002, 23:57
Originally posted by Brett Li
Didn't they all but beat 'em? bowled them out twice on a "dead" wicket for less than 250?
No need to be that proud of the performance, but I'm glad the ashes campaign is moving in the right direction......
Agree about that. Being petty if you're bagging England after that performance. If it had been a four-day match there was every likelihood that they would have won.
Originally posted by wagstaff
Agree about that. Being petty if you're bagging England after that performance. If it had been a four-day match there was every likelihood that they would have won.
Yes I think they would've got the remaining 5 runs with 5 wickets in hand with a day to play as well. :D
bunsen burner
31 Oct 2002, 11:31
Originally posted by DaveW
Didn't the 2000 referendum prove we were perfectly happy to remain as an English colony? relevance?
Originally posted by bunsen burner
relevance?
Oops 1999. I was just making the point that the perception of Australia being an English colony (what you were complaining about) will exist so long as we have the same head of state.
bunsen burner
31 Oct 2002, 20:39
Originally posted by DaveW
Oops 1999. I was just making the point that the perception of Australia being an English colony (what you were complaining about) will exist so long as we have the same head of state. Uh uh. Wasn't complaining about the fact that we are an English colony. Was complaining that the first thing that popped into this lady's mind upon finding out I was an Aussie, was that I was from an English colony.
Just picture yourself meeting an English person and them saying to you that you are from one of their colonies. It is basically saying that we are inferior to them.
This lady didn't say it with the intention of being rude, she genuinely believed that we were of some sort of sub-class. That is even worse!
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Uh uh. Wasn't complaining about the fact that we are an English colony. Was complaining that the first thing that popped into this lady's mind upon finding out I was an Aussie, was that I was from an English colony.
Just picture yourself meeting an English person and them saying to you that you are from one of their colonies. It is basically saying that we are inferior to them.
This lady didn't say it with the intention of being rude, she genuinely believed that we were of some sort of sub-class. That is even worse!
I wonder what I should have made of the fact that the first thing some bloke said to me on an Australian construction site was 'Hey pommy c***!':confused: :(
Anyway if it makes you feel any better it sounds like this bird was the sort(I'm assuming she's probably failry posh) that would look down her nose at most of her fellow countrymen/women.People like this are as unrepresentative of most of us as the bloody Queen.
bunsen burner
31 Oct 2002, 22:46
Originally posted by DIPPER
I wonder what I should have made of the fact that the first thing some bloke said to me on an Australian construction site was 'Hey pommy c***!':confused: :(
Anyway if it makes you feel any better it sounds like this bird was the sort(I'm assuming she's probably failry posh) that would look down her nose at most of her fellow countrymen/women.People like this are as unrepresentative of most of us as the bloody Queen. How posh can you get in Harlesden? She didn't look like money, but she didn't look poor either. I would say she was a real Monarchist or something.
It really makes me laugh that when something big happens with the royals, all their supporters come out of the woodwork and most of them are working class????? A tad contradictory, but the working class have never be known for their brains.
Brett Li
31 Oct 2002, 23:13
Originally posted by bunsen burner
How posh can you get in Harlesden? She didn't look like money, but she didn't look poor either. I would say she was a real Monarchist or something.
It really makes me laugh that when something big happens with the royals, all their supporters come out of the woodwork and most of them are working class????? A tad contradictory, but the working class have never be known for their brains.
LOL! who is looking down their nose now?
ha ha ha :p