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wagstaff

25 Oct 2002, 02:17

England have barely started their tour of Australia and the excuses are already coming in at a rapid rate of knots.

No surprise that leading the whining is the player with the biggest chip on his shoulder in international cricket.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/2357219.stm

While the pitch at the WACA is undoubtedly different to the ones they usually play on, this is something the English team would've known about before the match started. Soft excuse.

Even worse is Matthew Hoggard's claim that the pitches they are playing on in WA are too fast when compared to their first Test venue at the Gabba!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/2354245.stm

I guess it would be easy to point out that most of the Australian side playing in the first Test won't have played at the Gabba for ages and will have played the vast majority of their cricket in far more foreign surfaces like Sri Lanka and Sharjah, but that would be showing up the English for the whingers they are.

DaveW

25 Oct 2002, 02:27

Yeah that ghost writer of Hoggard's sure knows how to whinge.

wagstaff

25 Oct 2002, 02:36

Originally posted by DaveW
Yeah that ghost writer of Hoggard's sure knows how to whinge.

The funniest thing I've ever read about ghost-written cricket articles was during England's tour of the West Indies in 1986 when an English player was overheard complaining, "My ghost is writing rubbish."

Brett Li

25 Oct 2002, 04:27

Originally posted by wagstaff
England have barely started their tour of Australia and the excuses are already coming in at a rapid rate of knots.

No surprise that leading the whining is the player with the biggest chip on his shoulder in international cricket.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/2357219.stm

While the pitch at the WACA is undoubtedly different to the ones they usually play on, this is something the English team would've known about before the match started. Soft excuse.

Even worse is Matthew Hoggard's claim that the pitches they are playing on in WA are too fast when compared to their first Test venue at the Gabba!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/2354245.stm

I guess it would be easy to point out that most of the Australian side playing in the first Test won't have played at the Gabba for ages and will have played the vast majority of their cricket in far more foreign surfaces like Sri Lanka and Sharjah, but that would be showing up the English for the whingers they are.

glad to see that even though we are supposedly crap, we are still the country most aussies love to beat/hate. I wonder why that is?

bunsen burner

25 Oct 2002, 11:06

Originally posted by Brett Li

glad to see that even though we are supposedly crap, we are still the country most aussies love to beat/hate. I wonder why that is? We've been kicking you while you've been down for over ten years now, and it's still enjoyable!

scmods

25 Oct 2002, 15:04

Originally posted by Brett Li

glad to see that even though we are supposedly crap, we are still the country most aussies love to beat/hate. I wonder why that is?
I can think of two good reasons: Ian Botham and Tony Greig.

SeinDude

25 Oct 2002, 22:10

Originally posted by Brett Li
glad to see that even though we are supposedly crap, we are still the country most aussies love to beat/hate. I wonder why that is?

Brett Li,

Maybe it's because every time we are about to play you guys, the English media beats up your team's prospects of finally beating Australia and regaining the ashes only for it to be completely shot after a couple of tests.

Just wait... come the Melbourne test, the talk will be about preparing the young England players for the next Australian tour to England in 2005 by giving them a taste of ashes cricket in a series all but lost. :D

SeinDude

dr nick

25 Oct 2002, 22:13

i liked steve waugh's reply whilst being interviewed after the 3rd test.

Rameez Raja: England have said that they will give you guys a run for your money, and are a chance of winning back the ashes.

Steve Waugh: yeah, they said that last time.

:D:D:D

SeinDude

25 Oct 2002, 22:41

dr nick

25 Oct 2002, 22:47

i was a bit dissappointed on ricky ponting's reply to a similar question on sports today.

he said that england have some good players and will be competitive. we need to take them very seriously and play well to beat them.

apart from the fact that this reeks of typical media training dribble, i was expecting punter to have a good lashing about those comments

dr nick

25 Oct 2002, 22:50

Originally posted by Brett Li

glad to see that even though we are supposedly crap, we are still the country most aussies love to beat/hate. I wonder why that is?

coz its funny hearing the pommies have a good ol whinge when they lose... which happens far more often than not.. i dont care what sport we are talking about

Dipper

25 Oct 2002, 23:26

Originally posted by nicko18
i liked steve waugh's reply whilst being interviewed after the 3rd test.

Rameez Raja: England have said that they will give you guys a run for your money, and are a chance of winning back the ashes.

Steve Waugh: yeah, they said that last time.

:D:D:D

Whilst this is undoubtably funny & I have to confess to having a little snigger at it myslef, the truth is we can't win (either the series or the media foreplay) if you remember rightly before the last series Hussain said something along the lines of 'we want to compete strongly' rather than we can/will win.
A number of the Aussie players jumped on this & used it as an example of English defeatism saying how they'd never come out with stuff like that, in fact McGrath brought it up the other day.

So what are we meant to do to satisfy the Australian media/supporters, it's clear we've got a much weaker team, if we talk about competing we're accused of being negative if we talk up our chances of winning we're mocked.
Damned if we do damned if we don't.

I don't know why you lot can't be happy with just humiliating us on the field without having to do it off the field as well.

The thing is the English media hasn't talked us up for this series at all, they did it a bit for the last series but not this time.They've basically said that to have any chance the estabilished batsmen have got to bat better than ever before & the new pacemen have got to come from nowhere & show form they've never shown before.
The English cricket media is actually very respectful of the current Australain side & very rarely loses an opportunity to talk them up & try to decide their place amongst the greatest Test sides ever.
They think Warne is amazing, they think Mcgrath is amazing they think Steve Waugh is a cross between Clint Eastwood & mother Theresa.

So give us a f*cking break we're gonna lose, you know it & we know it so why try to humiliate us as well it's just not cricket.:(

PS On the original subject of Hoggard & Caddick, this sort of talk doesn't help anyone, Caddick is a first class whinger who likes an excuse to hide behind but his comments aren't too bad but Hoggard's are shocking they just reek of that seige mentality everyone's against us vibes that England cricket sides on tour often get into.

dr nick

26 Oct 2002, 09:17

i like vaughan's comments:

"if im not mcgrath's target this series... i'll be dissappointed"

this arrogance seems a little out of place in this english side. :D