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rednugget
28 Oct 2002, 11:09
Mark Waugh has officially retired from internation cricket at a press conference this arvo. Well done on a great career!!!
Arch#11
28 Oct 2002, 12:16
Very sad to see, however it was inevitable.
It would be good to see M. Waugh give a full season of service to the State team and then end his great career then.
Would have to think that S. Waugh will probably give it up at the end of the Ashes series unless he can somehow force his way into the 1day team.
Bugger:(
Mark Waugh was my favourite cricketer.
Glenn McGrath is my favourite now.
roostersgal4eva
28 Oct 2002, 13:43
Originally posted by stumpy
Bugger:(
Mark Waugh was my favourite cricketer.
he was mine too :(
he has been a joy to watch - im glad he will see the year out as i would like to be able to see him play once
THANK FOR THE MEMORIES JUNIOR :(
Originally posted by stumpy
Bugger:(
Mark Waugh was my favourite cricketer.
Glenn McGrath is my favourite now.
Let me guess,you're related to them. :o
Dogwatcher
28 Oct 2002, 14:00
It's a pity that Mark had to be a little bitter in his retirement speech and blame the media for his form in the past few tests.
What does he expect, to continue playing under no scrutiny at all?
His form was shocking, people had been debating whether he should be in the side for the past two years and it was, unfortunately, time to go.
Thanks for the memories Mark and I hope that when you look back on your career later on, you aren't as bitter about this past year as you are now.
Originally posted by rednugget
Mark Waugh has officially retired from internation cricket at a press conference this arvo. Well done on a great career!!!
Well done on a long and successful career, but also well done on the retirement. Always best to go on your own terms, while dignity is still intact.
Such a pity....great carreer waughry.:(
wagstaff
28 Oct 2002, 14:19
Originally posted by Dogwatcher
It's a pity that Mark had to be a little bitter in his retirement speech and blame the media for his form in the past few tests.
While I can understand to an extent that Mark Waugh would be somewhat bitter at the media treatment dished out to him over the last few years, there's no real need for him to have any negative feelings now his career is over.
He's had an excellent run in the most successful side in the world and would have had a international career few players could only dream of.
To sum up, as Dean Jones once said about players who get dropped and retire, "You don't feel sorry for millionaires."
Dogwatcher
28 Oct 2002, 16:25
Originally posted by wagstaff
While I can understand to an extent that Mark Waugh would be somewhat bitter at the media treatment dished out to him over the last few years, there's no real need for him to have any negative feelings now his career is over.
There's no real reason for him to be bitter... but in the bites that I heard on the news this afternoon, the thoughts he expressed were certainly very bitter.
knuckles
28 Oct 2002, 16:56
Certainly appears bitter. Not sure why. 17 years of top level sport, and the $ that goes with it, should be very happy. Obviously dissapointed, but be happy on a good career! Jones, Lehman and Slater, now they HAVE had reasons to be bitter.
roostersgal4eva
28 Oct 2002, 17:05
Originally posted by Dogwatcher
There's no real reason for him to be bitter... but in the bites that I heard on the news this afternoon, the thoughts he expressed were certainly very bitter.
The media treated him like cr@p & had no respect for him what so ever - he has EVERY RIGHT to hate the media
knuckles
28 Oct 2002, 17:11
And exposure in the media made him a very wealthy person. These holier-than-thou celebs peeve me off.
BTW, his penchant for $ in biscuit tins and paper bags also were of his own doing - I still think both he and Warne got away very lightly on this.
i_luv_westcoast
28 Oct 2002, 17:12
Should have been kicked out years ago. The guy is a disgrace. He took money from a bookmaker for who knows what exactly. Weather and pitch conditons my ass.
Dogwatcher
28 Oct 2002, 17:59
Originally posted by roostersgal4eva
The media treated him like cr@p & had no respect for him what so ever - he has EVERY RIGHT to hate the media
Not even counting the crap he was involved with ie; the bookmaker. Mark had no reason to be bitter. When you play professional sport you are under scrutiny all the time - if you start performing poorly you have to face hte music.
The comments Mark made suggested that he was only willing to take the plaudits.
Pretty easy to decide to retire once you've been dropped.
He had a good career not great. A batting average between 40-44 is the sign of a good player not a champion. He best asset was his hands in the slips.
Goodbye and good ridence.
dr nick
28 Oct 2002, 21:43
Originally posted by Slax
Pretty easy to decide to retire once you've been dropped.
He had a good career not great. A batting average between 40-44 is the sign of a good player not a champion. He best asset was his hands in the slips.
Goodbye and good ridence.
spoken by a man with true sour grapes, never mind that he was the second highest run scorer of the 90's, nor the fact that he was the most elegant batsman to ever grace the game.
OldSchool
28 Oct 2002, 21:53
A player that should have averaged over 60 given his talent.
We had to move him on but Boofa was not the right bloke to replace him
Haggis McHaggis
28 Oct 2002, 22:05
Originally posted by nicko18
spoken by a man with true sour grapes, never mind that he was the second highest run scorer of the 90's, nor the fact that he was the most elegant batsman to ever grace the game.
Steady on there... most elegant?? Hogwash.. he was damned good in his day but he was by no means the most elegant batsman to play cricket.. The names Greg Chappel, Don Bradman, Sunil Gavaskar, Garfield Sobers etc come to mind...
Mark should have been dropped 2 years ago, maybe even a little further back.. no disrespect to him but as at a few years ago we had better batsmen in better form in the country.
Australian selectors are famous for playing players till they're so hopelessly long gone that there's no other option and I feel this happened with Mark towards the end.
Darren Lehmann's real opportunity is coming too late IMO but better late than never.
great career.
great man.
not much else to see in this situation.
davers11
28 Oct 2002, 23:45
Originally posted by nicko18
spoken by a man with true sour grapes, never mind that he was the second highest run scorer of the 90's, nor the fact that he was the most elegant batsman to ever grace the game.
Definently the most elegant player i think i will ever see, he would be hard to top! The best slip fieldsman i have seen too.
The thing that gets me is why replace him with Lehmann(gain nothing with bat or ball and lose a lot in the field), i am not fan personally and i feel it was the right time to blood someone under 30?
I question the brainpower of the current group of selectors, maybe it is time they get overhauled.
Darren Lehmann, why is he is so happy with himself?
Fat and Overrated!
wagstaff
28 Oct 2002, 23:58
Originally posted by knuckles
And exposure in the media made him a very wealthy person. These holier-than-thou celebs peeve me off.
BTW, his penchant for $ in biscuit tins and paper bags also were of his own doing - I still think both he and Warne got away very lightly on this.
There's nothing more I hate then those in the mainstream media who obsess over a sports or entertainment star for years on end, treat their every trivial exploit as if it's earth-shattering news, obsess over the enormous wealth and use their celebrity to sell products and treat them as one of the more significant members of society.
Yet when, not surprisingly, the celebrity lets all this mass adulation get to their head in some shape or form, we have those very same media organisations and hack journos tut-tutting about the celebrity's failure to act like a 'role-model'.
These are some of the issues raised by Mark Waugh's retirement.
GoEagles
29 Oct 2002, 13:44
Sad that Junior has retired, but it was inevitable. Will remember him as being a terrific allrounder in his young days and then as a top batsman who was always reliable.
One of the cleanest pair of hands I remember. Second slip will never be the same.
Originally posted by Haggis McHaggis
Australian selectors are famous for playing players till they're so hopelessly long gone that there's no other option and I feel this happened with Mark towards the end.
Rubbish!
Australian selectors are famous for being ruthless and getting rid of players who've had great careers before those players (and a lot of supporters) want to go.
Examples: Alan Border, David Boon, Ian Healy and now Mark Waugh.
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 17:45
Originally posted by BMD
Rubbish!
Australian selectors are famous for being ruthless and getting rid of players who've had great careers before those players (and a lot of supporters) want to go.
Examples: Alan Border, David Boon, Ian Healy and now Mark Waugh.
dont forget dean jones... what a farce
Richie Benaud
29 Oct 2002, 21:26
Originally posted by BMD
Australian selectors are famous for being ruthless and getting rid of players who've had great careers before those players (and a lot of supporters) want to go.
Examples: Alan Border, David Boon, Ian Healy and now Mark Waugh.
I remember when William Morris Lawry was sacked as Captain and dropped from the side for the seventh test against England in 1907/71. It was a sad end for Bill but it's never easy being a selector let me tell you.
dr nick
29 Oct 2002, 21:38
Originally posted by Richie Benaud
I remember when William Morris Lawry was sacked as Captain and dropped from the side for the seventh test against England in 1907/71. It was a sad end for Bill but it's never easy being a selector let me tell you.
and who can forget the time when max walker was sacked from the commentary team???
very harsh i thought there richie!! is it equally as hard being a commentary team selector :p
Richie Benaud
30 Oct 2002, 11:25
Originally posted by nicko18
and who can forget the time when max walker was sacked from the commentary team???
very harsh i thought there richie!! is it equally as hard being a commentary team selector :p
Strooth! I still have nightmares of bloody Max Walker chasing me around with a cricket bat asking for his job back!