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i'm toying with the idea of producing an English soccer style fanzine a few times next season, for the Eagles.
If anyone else is interested, post back to me, or reach me at thegur_os@yahoo.com.au
If you are not quite familiar with the format, the idea of a fanzine is to write articles that are topical and interesting representing your point of view, something which I think the AFL severely lacks. I'm sick to death of reading cr*p that a 10 year old could write, stuff that pushes no boundaries or challenges the reader.
If this interests you, then drop me a line.
over and out
thegur
Interesting idea.
If it's done it needs to be done professionally though, not on geocities.com/daveygzEaglesFANSITE/
how were you thinking of presenting it?
Mr Eagle
30 Oct 2002, 20:54
Originally posted by Mead
sounds interestink.... I reckon several of us should pool together (esp. scmods and Buzz) and start up our own independent WCE website...imagine Dockerland with class! ;)
I'm trying to get a gig at the METIOR (Murdoch Uni free newspaper) next year doing sports write ups. Only problem is the deadline for articles is like one week before it comes out, so the stuff you talk about is always out of date.
Would be a good thing to do though, considering I'm planning on doing a grad dip in Journalism once I finish my degree.
Originally posted by Mr Eagle
I reckon several of us should pool together (esp. scmods and Buzz) and start up our own independent WCE website...imagine Dockerland with class! ;)
Thats like imagining war without any fighting.
Actually, a similar thought occured to me a couple of weeks ago. I mean, there is a fair amount of regular stuff which goes on during the season, and Jod's BFWCPOTY award n stuff, and it would be sorta cool to have a site to source it all from.
daddy_4_eyes
30 Oct 2002, 22:03
Originally posted by Mead
sounds interestink....
I'm hoping that was just a slip up ;)
Sounds like a great idea. I'd certainly love an alternative to the crap written by apparently unbiased journalists. Don't quite have the writing talent to contribute though :eek:
well, there are two options, in my mind that is!!
1. An actual written fanzine, which would take a lot of work, but would be highly rewarding. Sold on game days (which could be difficult considering my location), but as an alternative to the footy record. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about sales, I'm more interested in providing a good read. It may not be sugar and spice and all that's nice, but it will be quality. And not always about the eagles, but also about matters affecting the eagles. Stuff like the salary cap and zoning etc .....
however, it is a lot of work to produce something like that (if anyone out there actually does produce one, I'd be glad to hear from you, regardless of team).
which leads to the other alternative ...
2. The internet. I'd be more than happy to contribute to an internet site instead, easy way out for me I suppose, but remember, I'm out there to write some serious stuff, fairly often too. Read my earlier post, I'm just sick of the lack of a quality read. Just look at AFL.com, or for that matter any football site, the stuff is just so lame, nothing that challenges the football brain. I guess that's the whole point, I just assume that the people who write that dribble just assume that the readers know very little about the inside workings of football, and I admit I don't, but I'm not naive.
rant over
thegur
i think the type of site we are after would be similiar to www.rleague.com
The articles on that site are actually written by readers.
i'd seriously wanna do this on the internet, i was going to think about doing a west coast fansite for next season but i'm not sure if i have the time to do it all myself.
I already had a bit of a template set up, which i haven't put onto the internet yet. may sign up at a site and do it later.
but i reckon i could do it pretty well - i run my cricket club's web-site at www.eastscricket.com.au which looks pretty cool.
Mr Eagle
30 Oct 2002, 22:15
Originally posted by ozzult
I'm trying to get a gig at the METIOR (Murdoch Uni free newspaper) next year doing sports write ups.YES! Anything to stop Tammy ****ing Unkovich hogging the sports pages with her Freo prattlings!!! :)
www.fromtheouter.com is another example of what we should be looking at. thats a really good web-site despite my copmlete hatred towards the pies.
carneagles
30 Oct 2002, 22:17
Originally posted by Mead
Actually, a similar thought occured to me a couple of weeks ago. I mean, there is a fair amount of regular stuff which goes on during the season, and Jod's BFWCPOTY award n stuff, and it would be sorta cool to have a site to source it all from. Y'know guys, there is a site (http://members.iinet.net.au/~busby/) that I know from experience accepts reader contributions. I think I managed three rants for Buzz before work suddenly exploded/I got lazy.
Maybe we could contribute to his site?
my apologies Buzz for the lack of acknowledgment about the quality of your site, i think it is top notch if that means anything to you.
who knows, I'm just thinking out loud. Would be nice though to try something new whatever the medium.
thegur
Mr Eagle
30 Oct 2002, 22:41
Originally posted by thegur
my apologies Buzz for the lack of acknowledgment about the quality of your site, i think it is top notch if that means anything to you.Now imagine Buzz's site taken another step further: domain name, multiple regular contributors, a colour scheme devoid of BROWN, etc etc :)
I think the potential of a combined effort could far exceed both the likes of Buzz's site and Jeff's old EFH.com site. Hell, imagine a functional and useful version of the official site. THAT is the potential goal.
daddy_4_eyes
30 Oct 2002, 22:49
I'd like to see a website with a few new articles every week, and not just re-capping the news from CH10. I wanna see opinions, 'expert' analysis, predictions, etc.
GoEagles
30 Oct 2002, 22:59
Sounds excellent - for the fans, by the fans. And it would have more substance and credibility than Dockerland.
Count me in!
What would be the different sections that you could help with on the site?
Design & maintenance
Articles
Player profiles
Stats
...
? Anything else?
Getting the site up would be the first major thing to do. Who are the Web design gurus here, Mr Eagle, Buzz, anyone else?
Anyway, I'd help with articles or other non-computer related stuff. All the technical **** aint my area.
Mr Eagle
30 Oct 2002, 23:27
Mind-numbing Flash games involving Freo players running into each other? :)
Originally posted by Visro
Getting the site up would be the first major thing to do. Who are the Web design gurus here, Mr Eagle, Buzz, anyone else?
yea, pretty much anything with HTML i know, scripting i'm not so good with but i know a few.
Quick thoughts of the top of my head of what sections would be on the site - homepage, news, ladder, fixture, player of the year (bigfooty's??), photos, stats, legends/history, forum (bigfooty's), fun (wallpaper etc,.) and links.
any else??
i'm not very good with graphics either. anyone good with them??
i did a quick little banner for the eagles tonight, which i put here - http://pe-stallions.tripod.com/image-header-template.gif
it actually came out worse than what it was on my hard drive but it still wasn't that great anyway.
I've had a bit of experience with graphics, and of course I'm happy to write/waffle/edit to my hearts content, if that would help :)
How are we off for web designers though?
Mr Eagle
31 Oct 2002, 00:30
I can web design, although I am a firm believer in function over form and have no love for YuppieCode (TM) whatsoever.
larrikin
31 Oct 2002, 01:04
The site's a great idea guys, as long as it doesn't become an inbred rumour generating sourco of info. There's nothing worse than people quoting an "undisclosed source" who had something to say about his team mates.
I'll be a keen contributor in any sense - I am currently learning HTML code (without using the cheats of Front Page) and although my technical knowledge is limited, I'd be happy to help on a site for the fans.
here we go, after working we through this over the past couple of hours, here is another banner (which i reckon looks much better than the other piece of crap i did :p)
the adress for this one is http://pe-stallions.tripod.com/image-header-template1.gif (copy and paste that address into the address bar - for some reason a link wasn't working :mad: )
still got writing (such as West Coast Eagles, Fanzine, etc,.) to be added to it, but what do you's think of that so far.
Just for your information, the guys from left to right are:
Richard Taylor (and yes i know he left us), John Worsfold, David Haynes, Callum Chambers, Troy Wilson, Kasey Green, Josh Wooden, ??? (anyone??), Daniel Kerr, Chris Judd, ??? (anyone), Ben Cousins, ??? (anyone again), Pete Matera, Ben COusins again, Michael Collica, Chris Judd again, Glen Jakovich, Phil Matera, David Wirrpunda, Michael Gardiner, Andrew Embley, Andrew Donnelly (and i know he's LOOOOONG retired as well).
:)
Mr Eagle
31 Oct 2002, 01:33
That link won't work as a link because Tripod have a setup that tries to stop you using them just as a data dump...
Richard Taylor, John Worsfold, David Haynes, Callum Chambers, Troy Wilson, Kasey Green, Josh Wooden, ???(Sierakowski, pic is from the official site so that's a definite) , Daniel Kerr, Chris Judd, ??? (Williams?), Ben Cousins, ??? (Judd?), Pete Matera, Ben COusins again, Michael Collica, Chris Judd again, Glen Jakovich, Phil Matera, David Wirrpunda, Michael Gardiner, Andrew Embley, Andrew Donnelly (and i know he's LOOOOONG retired as well).
Originally posted by hourn
here we go, after working we through this over the past couple of hours, here is another banner (which i reckon looks much better than the other piece of crap i did :p)
the adress for this one is http://pe-stallions.tripod.com/image-header-template1.gif (copy and paste that address into the address bar - for some reason a link wasn't working :mad: )
still got writing (such as West Coast Eagles, Fanzine, etc,.) to be added to it, but what do you's think of that so far.
:)
Very nice. Tis.. Clean looking, which is how banners should be.
So should we put together an official list of people who want to be involved, then? Oh, and what the heck would we call it? Needs a catchy title.
To get this really off the ground, we need a proper design, with top notch graphics, a dedicated team of select writers, a domain name, and a proper hosting company.
Sites with poor graphics and poor designs, may still get a select few users even if it has top content, but good, catchy, yet simple and effective designs, will keep users returning.
I've got my own domain which I bought a couple weeks ago, for my own site, so I've done a fair bit of web design and graphics before.
http://www.****bet.com/mainsb.html is something I've put together, not a final version by any means.
But even if I was planning to do an Eagles fan site it would look nothing like that, the site would be much more professional.
www.fromtheouter.com is definitely the sort of feel I would be looking to get. (I'm not talking about the actual design, I just mean something which is clean and simple [although when I look at it, there is A LOT of text on the one page, maybe too much])
yep we need a domain name and and a good name for the site.
anyone help with either.
i know tesltra have domain names and they are good, but they are very expensive. i think 195 dollars over 2 years.
anyone got help with a name??
Voice of Reason
31 Oct 2002, 10:59
Originally posted by GoEagles
And it would have more substance and credibility than Dockerland.
That comment definitely needed a smilie.
My cat's view's on football have more credibility than..........
here we go, just set a page as a bit of a starting point.
i set it up at http://wcefanzine.tripod.com/
so go have a look and tell us what you think and we can go from there.
obviousbly we're not going to want to have it run by tripod, but we're not getting a domain now until its definetaly going to happen
also, just for those "less" computer illetrate :p the banner at the top wont be there when the real site comes out and none of the links on the page work.
one thing to be aware of all you graphic designers is that the AFL own all the club logos and AFL pics.
i made an eagles site a few years ago and the big boys from West Coast paid me a visit and asked me to take the site down. :(
they may have soften their stance on fan sites over the last few years but you may still need to get permission first.
I'd certainly be interested in being involved. Seeing as I am in IT support I'm sure I can offer something :).
Originally posted by noodle
one thing to be aware of all you graphic designers is that the AFL own all the club logos and AFL pics.
i made an eagles site a few years ago and the big boys from West Coast paid me a visit and asked me to take the site down. :(
they may have soften their stance on fan sites over the last few years but you may still need to get permission first.
yea i know thats a real pain in the ass - but i did do that eagles logo in the main banner to a certain degree by myself. Although i used the eagles logo as a template i did the outside edges and stuff by myself.
are there any loop holes around that type of thing such as claiming that you did the logo's yourself from scratch.
TheRealBuzz
31 Oct 2002, 12:28
Sorry for jumping in late again.
Thanks for the praise of my site, but let's face facts - currently it isn't fit to wipe the arse of Dockerland or FromTheOuter. :)
Juggling work, tafe and a website isn't easy. I really underestimated just how hard it is. That's why I have such respect for Dockerland - not only is Shane's stuff all quality, but he turns it out on a very consistent basis.
But I have been thinking about taking it more seriously lately. I've finished with tafe (thank god), so I should have a bit more spare time to spend on it next year.
I'll definitely be buying a domain name soon. The only thing holding me back is actually deciding on what to call the site (Footy Buzz is a shocker). So any suggestions from you guys would be greatly appreciated. The two I'm toying with at the moment are 'Soaring.com' or something like 'EaglesNest.com'.
Making it a group effort is a good idea. With a bit more free time I'm fairly certain I could churn out a Match Preview and Match Report each week. But the odd "rant" and someone to organise the players stats each week would be a great help. Mead, you could even do your GBU after each game?
The sites design is something else to think about. I can put a site together fairly easily, but graphic design isn't my strongest point.
Perhaps a few of us can each create a banner, and then have the group vote for the best?
The two I'm toying with at the moment are 'Soaring.com' or something like 'EaglesNest.com'.
i like eaglenest.com
are there any loop holes around that type of thing such as claiming that you did the logo's yourself from scratch.
nope. it would fall into the breach of copyright box. the fact that dockerland and fromtheouter both use their clubs logos says to me that people are able to obtain permission from the clubs or AFL to use the logos. might be worth contacting WCE public relations and see what their policy on this is.
some other points worth thinking about before anyone even attempts a design would be the actual content of the site. hourn has made a great start and i would suggest that everyone who is interested have a look at the areas that he has proposed in his design. http://wcefanzine.tripod.com/
if buzz is happy to jump on board i think that we should use his site for a base. while it might not look the best (sorry buzz) it does have some good content in it. instead of starting fresh why not continue his good work?
content is everything in a fan site. the more the better but on the flip side some poor sap is going to have to keep it updated. that means not only free articles but little things like the ladder and match results. can anyone out there biuld any apps that could help do this?
does anybody know the AFLs policy towards photos at the games. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow it but does anybody know for sure.
Originally posted by noodle
content is everything in a fan site. the more the better but on the flip side some poor sap is going to have to keep it updated. that means not only free articles but little things like the ladder and match results. can anyone out there biuld any apps that could help do this?
I can certainly build apps (For instance I designed a footy tipping website for my brother's workplace and they seemed to like it). Of course finding the time could be a little more difficult, but I'm sure I can come up with something with a few months. Certainly ladder and game results wouldn't be too hard. I can probably also come up with something for the POTY so noone has to sit around administering it.
Would be nice to get *some* use out of my Comp Sci degree :D.
does anybody know the AFLs policy towards photos at the games. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow it but does anybody know for sure.
You're allowed to take as many photos as you want if you're in the stands, but if you're talking about getting the photos that the media has taken and putting them on your site ... that's an iffy one.
If you credit the author, and you're not making ANY revenue from the site (ie, one ad = revenue), then in a lot of cases it will be fine.
Originally posted by Mr Q
Would be nice to get *some* use out of my Comp Sci degree :D.
i could be worse, you could've done an arts degree. :D
oh wait i did that :eek:
Well, seems like the idea of an actual magazine type medium has been cast aside, says something about the modern age doesn't it? ALthough I still think there is a place for it, something has to be better than a footy record on match days.
Well, I can't really offer much in terms of site construction and update, however, as I've said all along, I am willing to provide articles about general topics involving the AFL, that relate to the eagles, and of course, eagle specific topics as well, in addition to Melbourne match reports.
Personally, I don't want it to be a site that rely's on rumours for the bulk of it's content, not saying that rumours don't have their place, but just a certain amount. But it all sounds great, i mean seriously, look at the club's site right now, it's so, well so conservative, is that the word? no juicy stuff there at all.
But this will require a lot of work and co-operation from everyone. We really do need a list of what everyone is prepared to do, but hourn was right, it should be like fromtheouter.com. I want to do this properly, i suppose i kind of imagine it being a real alternative to afl.com or realfooty.com
Names?? I like eaglesnest, can anyone think of something clever though?? My friend suggested fightclub, it made me laugh!!
more to come i suppose
over and out
thegur
Mr Eagle
31 Oct 2002, 15:45
eaglesnest.com is taken, so are several variants.
www.thewestcoastnest.com is not, however...
carneagles
31 Oct 2002, 19:42
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
I'll definitely be buying a domain name soon. The only thing holding me back is actually deciding on what to call the site (Footy Buzz is a shocker). So any suggestions from you guys would be greatly appreciated. The two I'm toying with at the moment are 'Soaring.com' or something like 'EaglesNest.com'.Some available domain names:
www.likeacorkintheocean.com (surprisingly not taken!)
www.dirty-birds.com (a personal favourite)
www.halfbackflank.com (OK, but will become halfbackw*ank in no time flat)
www.backpocket.com (bit scatological)
Something I'd like to see is a service like Violetta does on www.thepowerfromport.com where you get a link to each news item about the Eagles each day - sort of a central clearinghouse for Eagles news. I always meant to do something like that but wondered about the legalities of deep linking.
PS: fightclub - like it.
Or maybe www.prominentnorthbridgeidentity.com?
call me crazy, but I really like "likeacorkintheocean.com". i was thinking something along those lines, kind of random, but kind of not. ahhhh peter wilson.
Fightclub would be sweet, pretty good joke, but I'mnot sure it would be a good permanant name!!
Have to admit, I was thinking of the front page of the fanzine (yes i was thinking ahead of time !! ). I was going to do something like;
"Fido Wins; Mundine next".
thegur
i_luv_westcoast
31 Oct 2002, 20:08
Suggestions for the website name from me:
www.13-3.com.au
www.theeagles.com.au
www.wce.com.au
www.winnersaregrinners.com.au
www.freosuck.com.au
www.westcoastfanzine.com.au
www.bigbirds.com.au
Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Suggestions for the website name from me:
www.wce.com.au
that ones taken.
i like "like a cork in the ocean" too but maybe take out the "like a" but and just have www.corkintheocean.com.au
what about
www.flyinghigh.com.au
www.farside.com.au
www.fortresssubi.com.au (www.fortess-subi.com.au)
I can kick in a domain name if you are serious about a long-term project.
Whoever runs it will have to alot several hours each week to it in order to make it successful. You have to basically incorporate the project into your life - the worst thing for regular readers of a magazine-site is to see no updates for days, and finally a "Sorry I've been busy with work and home life" message. It MUST have FRESH content EVERY DAY.
This is harder than you might think, as it is not easy to get reliable regular contributors. Ask Adrian about afltips.com's e-mail newsletter. There were a bunch of people with good intentions but in the end some just couldn't get it together and get their reports in on time.
Make it easier for your contirbuters by using something like Moveable Type for content management. Send out a regular e-mail to your contributors listing suggestions for article topics, breaking news etc.
Links to existing news reports are relatively easy to do and add a good reason for repeat visits. But then again, you can just go here for something like that:
http://news.google.com/news?q=west+coast+eagles+australia&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d
Though it has irrelevant articles scattered in there. Maybe use Google news to get the links and discard those not needed.
Thrawn666
31 Oct 2002, 20:54
Originally posted by hourn
[B]
www.flyinghigh.com.au
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Thats where the money is at
Bluey's post summed it up completely.
We can start off now with all the best intentions in the world, but you gotta dig in and stick with it.
I know when i started my easts cricket web-site it started very well, but it fell away abit as the season progressed (2 seasons ago) and last year i had very little time unfortunately. So far this season though its showing no signs of regressing which is good.
But yea, we can't start off great if were not gonna finish up great.
i'm liking flyinghigh.com.au as well
As for ensuring that it actually gets updated and stuff, I think we need to start a list now of whose prepared to commit what to the site. I'm perfectly happy to write articles or whatever once or twice a week, and if a few other people do likewise, that would mean between us, something new would be churned out almost daily.
To do a really good job of it without knocking anyone out, I'm guessing we'd need 3-4 regulars taking care of the lions share of the writing, editing etc, and probably 2 dividing the actual web admin aspects between then, and then a couple of people handling the graphic design?
yep i'm more than happy to keep the web-site (webdesign side of it) up-to-date and occasionally write articles but i'd need a couple of people to help - buzz?? mr eagle??
eagleskickass
1 Nov 2002, 01:48
i'd love to help but i think next year i will be too busy adjusting to Uni life and living away from home, while also working to make ends meet etc.
Must say i like flyinghigh.com.au also;)
If I start writing an article for the METIOR, I'll be more than happy to have it on both mediums.
Unfortunately I don't have enough time to help with the maintence of the site, but I can definitely manage a weekly article.
i_luv_westcoast
1 Nov 2002, 10:47
ozzult if you write an article for the metior, make sure it is in no way sexist, racist, homophobic or in fact discriminates against any group. Writing footy articles can be a dangerous profession ;)
Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
ozzult if you write an article for the metior, make sure it is in no way sexist, racist, homophobic or in fact discriminates against any group. Writing footy articles can be a dangerous profession ;)
The METIOR is a piece of **** anyway.
Have you seen the last one with the "CENSORED" article in it? And then they've got on the front page a whinge about how Murdoch censored their site.
There are a few rumours going around about that article that got censored.
I'm still prepared to do some of the more techy stuff, and some scripting and the like. Certainly I can probably do scores and ladders and POTY admin and polls (and maybe the occasional article :)). Can probably come up with something to simplify article submission although that might take time.
Of course the extent of what I can do will depend on what arrangements are made for hosting the site.
On the subject of a domain name, an eagles nest is called an eyrie, so maybe some sort of name could come from that?
Originally posted by ozzult
The METIOR is a piece of **** anyway.
Have you seen the last one with the "CENSORED" article in it? And then they've got on the front page a whinge about how Murdoch censored their site.
There are a few rumours going around about that article that got censored.
It was an article criticising the compulsory membership that the guild is planning on introducing next year.
i_luv_westcoast
1 Nov 2002, 12:12
Compulsory membership is a joke. I vote Liberal, why would I want my money going to a group that supports the Labor Party?
Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Compulsory membership is a joke. I vote Liberal, why would I want my money going to a group that supports the Labor Party?
I couldn't agree more. The guild are
a.) Incredibly incompetent financial managers- for example, the idea of a UNIVERSITY tavern making a loss is just incredible. Students drink like fishes, the only place on campus to get a drink is the tavern, so how can you still manage to make a loss from it?
b.)provide pathetic services- anyone whose ever eaten at Walter's can comfirm that.
c.)Politically active. This is the big sticking point. The guild donates money (despite the fact it is close to bankrupt) to a number of political causes including Young Labor, the Refugee Action group, National Union of Students, basically all the regular vanilla lefty groups. The idea of them forcing me to financially support those causes with my hard earned makes me very very angry, indeed, I suspect it actually violates the UN Charter on human rights, which outlaws forced political membership. The fact is, I don't run around trying to force them to donate to the Liberal party, so wtf are they allowed to take my money. I'm not gonna pay next year until they threaten to expel me.
as stated before, I'm more than happy to write, at least once a week, but that's about the extent of my input due to lack of skills.
thegur
I think the web site name should have a more anti-Freo ring to it.
www.bestinthewest.com (http://www.bestinthewest.com)
www.derbykings.com (http://www.derbykings.com)
www.wanchors_away.com (http://www.wanchors_away.com)
wanchors_away is probably taken by a porn site though :D
Mr Eagle
1 Nov 2002, 19:39
Two things on domain names:
- flyinghigh.com, .com.au, and others are already taken. You won't get anything so generic.
- to get a .au address, you must be a registered Australian company, as opposed to an individual who is free to pick up generic .com addresses.
I would happily do the uploading/updating (I spend too much time online as it is...) once the structural coding is in place.
Eagle_Fan
1 Nov 2002, 20:38
I like it, excellent idea :) Another good fansite is SaintSational.com - Powered by Passion (www.saintsational.com) . I agree though that it can't just be an insular padded room where rumours start and hype builds. You know, like fromtheouter or Nicks. Something clever like dockerland is the go imho...
I'm computer illiterate and will be superbusy again next year, but of course would contribute in any way possible. :p
Oh, and I like corkintheocean.com Peter Wilson started the phenomenon, it's time we reclaim it ;)
Originally posted by Mr Eagle
I would happily do the uploading/updating (I spend too much time online as it is...) once the structural coding is in place.
yea, i'd be able to do the actual HTML to get the site up and help with that would also be appreciated, but after that i'd definetaly need help from other areas to update the site etc,.
Kenny_01
1 Nov 2002, 23:03
It is best to keep the site simple, quick to load and neat looking, and worry about the content. I wouldn't have many graphics on it at all.
Originally posted by Kenny_01
It is best to keep the site simple, quick to load and neat looking, and worry about the content. I wouldn't have many graphics on it at all.
They key is to have the right balance between graphics and looks.
You need something which looks good and is also not overkill on the graphics.
larrikin
2 Nov 2002, 03:10
I'm prepared to write an article a week. It would be generaly pretty satirical or at least having a light hearted look at the media coverage of the club. I could even do a media watch style collumn if that was what was wanted by the group.
My technical skills on web site design are pretty limited beyond Front Page so I'm probably not much help there.
Kenny_01
2 Nov 2002, 10:45
Originally posted by ozzult
They key is to have the right balance between graphics and looks.
You need something which looks good and is also not overkill on the graphics.
sites like fromtheouter and afl.com.au, way too much colour and graphics... it doesn't look that good and it takes too long to load.
Larrikin, when you say mediawatch, do you mean just posting what content relates to the Eagles? or do you mean a Ch.2 style pasting?
I'm all for the Kerry O'Brien style "you seriously wrote that cr*p" type of page!
over and out
thegur
Originally posted by thegur
I'm all for the Kerry O'Brien style "you seriously wrote that cr*p" type of page!
over and out
Indeed, that would be very cool Larrikin.. Something which is lacking on the web, and there is a heck of a lot of crap that gets peddled by papers about the eagles.
larrikin
2 Nov 2002, 12:50
Originally posted by thegur
I'm all for the Kerry O'Brien style "you seriously wrote that cr*p" type of page!
over and out
thegur
Yeah, also highlighting idiot commentators to the world
That sort of stuff
i_luv_westcoast
2 Nov 2002, 16:44
Originally posted by larrikin
Yeah, also highlighting idiot commentators to the world
That sort of stuff
What you mean like George Grillisich, Scott Watters, Brad Hardie, Adrian Barich, Neil Kerley, Graham Cornes, Tony Shaw, Robert Walls and Dipper?
larrikin
2 Nov 2002, 17:27
Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
What you mean like George Grillisich, Scott Watters, Brad Hardie, Adrian Barich, Neil Kerley, Graham Cornes, Tony Shaw, Robert Walls and Dipper?
You left out Daicos, but that's the sort of thing.
What's wrong with Dipper?
larrikin
2 Nov 2002, 17:36
Originally posted by ozzult
What's wrong with Dipper?
Apart from the fact he is unintelligent and ill-informed?
i_luv_westcoast
2 Nov 2002, 17:42
Well the fact he's called Dipper in the first place speaks volumes for the man :D
He's a boundary rider, he is meant to have a bit of a laugh, and not meant to be the expert commentator.
He does a good job.
larrikin
2 Nov 2002, 17:58
Originally posted by ozzult
He's a boundary rider, he is meant to have a bit of a laugh, and not meant to be the expert commentator.
He does a good job.
I have no problem with him as a boundary rider - in fact he is perfect for thatrole.
His problem is when he tries to seriously debate footy issues about any club other than Hawthorn on Rex's footy panel.
Ahh, I don't catch much of that show ... usually still in bed at that time on a Sunday morning, trying to recover from the Saturday night.
GoEagles
2 Nov 2002, 19:50
I'd be happy to contribute an article a week (like Cometti's column in the West Australian :D)
The name must easily relate to the Eagles - people must be able to associate the name with us straight away, without too much thinking.
I originally wanted FlyingHigh.com for my Rivals site, but it was gone so I went for EaglesFlyingHigh.com instead. That name should be available if you want to resurrect it.
I don't have time to run the site, but if you need a volunteer to maintain stats, results, etc I'll be in. I have all my old Rivals stuff still, so it's pretty much ready to go.
GoEagles
4 Nov 2002, 18:22
Another good idea would be to allign the fanzine and BigFooty together.
For example, If someone writes an article of a "Game from the Past", at the bottom of the article we could put.. "Discuss this game from the past here" and have a link to the thread on the WCE BigFooty forum.
What does everyone think?
Originally posted by GoEagles
What does everyone think?
I was about to bring up something like this.. and I think it is very important that this site DOES NOT have it's own seperate forum.
We've got a great forum here, and we don't need to wreck it by having two different ones with half as much discussion on each.
Originally posted by GoEagles
Another good idea would be to allign the fanzine and BigFooty together.
For example, If someone writes an article of a "Game from the Past", at the bottom of the article we could put.. "Discuss this game from the past here" and have a link to the thread on the WCE BigFooty forum.
What does everyone think?
yep i just updated my prototype for it, have a look people and see what you think. None of the links are working yet, probably have a few pages up by the end of the week. The only link that works is the forum link which links straight back to this forum here.
the address again for the prototype is http://wcefanzine.tripod.com
just something to note though is the bit down the left with some of the posters avatars are just examples of what that section would be. What would really be would be pictures of the most common ranters on the web-site. And because at the moment i have no pictures and i dont know who is going to be looking to write the most stuff for the web-site, i just chose 6 avatars at random of big footy.
just another question, i have one link there for photos, because of the problem with copyright we probably won't be able to use photos that are used on afl.com.au (not that they're any good but still) so what do you guys think we can do about that??
also, who would i e-mail to seek permissino to use the eagles logo in that banenr?
Mr Eagle
4 Nov 2002, 18:35
I think the best option is "don't seek permission until you have to"...
Design looks good, though obviously gfx need tidying up. Oh, and we need content :)
Voice of Reason
4 Nov 2002, 18:35
Originally posted by ozzult
I was about to bring up something like this.. and I think it is very important that this site DOES NOT have it's own seperate forum.
We've got a great forum here, and we don't need to wreck it by having two different ones with half as much discussion on each.
Agreed - very important we do not dissipate our effort. I vote for keeping the fanzine aligned with Bigfooty.
If I get a chance this week I'll try and do some prototypes for POTY stuff and other functions. Can't do full working versions until I know what sort of server the site would be hosted on and what sort of functions are available. Hourn would you mind if I took the graphics off your tripod site to help me get a feel for the design?
Originally posted by Mr Q
If I get a chance this week I'll try and do some prototypes for POTY stuff and other functions. Can't do full working versions until I know what sort of server the site would be hosted on and what sort of functions are available. Hourn would you mind if I took the graphics off your tripod site to help me get a feel for the design?
yea defineatly, knock yourself out with the graphics, i really dont have the patience to work with them :p
when it comes to little fiddly graphics, i'm really no good, i can make reasonably good ones when they're nice and big (like the home banner there) but not when they're small and fiddly if you get what i mean :confused: :p
they just **** me off. Ill stick to the HTML, much easier IMO.
I could make the grfx for the page, and then if someone wants to maintain it.
Maybe if a few of us all make one final design for the website, and then we vote on the designs?
I wouldn't be able to make a design for a couple weeks though, wait till exams are finished.
Whoever maintains it needs to be really fluent in HTML, and if they use a WYSIWYG editor, it needs to be able to be compatible with files from all other editors such as fp, dreamweaver etc.
Originally posted by ozzult
Whoever maintains it needs to be really fluent in HTML, and if they use a WYSIWYG editor, it needs to be able to be compatible with files from all other editors such as fp, dreamweaver etc.
the only way to write a web-site properly is manual writing the HTML through notepad. Nothing will ever convince me differently of that. No HTML do it yourself editor that i've used gives you anywhere near the flexibility that notepad does.
I think the way it will have to be maintained, is that one or two person write the HTML (splitting it evenly, or by whatever way), someone does graphics, and one or two people do all the database work such as stats and POTY points etc,.
The graphics really need to be done by one person and the initial HTML written by one person (perhaps) as that would give the site the set up all the same and then people maintaining it would only have to edit stuff and keep it all the same.
It would look really gay if people set up the site and pages are different to each other because people write the HTML differently.
100% with you on that hourn. Not a bad idea though to get a few different designs from people (your work is great though).
I'm probably best suited to doing stats/coding, but you do need to know what the site is going to look like to do that properly.
Originally posted by Mr Q
100% with you on that hourn. Not a bad idea though to get a few different designs from people (your work is great though).
I'm probably best suited to doing stats/coding, but you do need to know what the site is going to look like to do that properly.
yer true, if i get the chance i'll put a page up tonight on what it would look like for me.
but if you get a chance go to www.eastscricket.com.au/stats_01.html
that is something similar to what it would like, except with different colouring, backgroudns etc,.
stuff like detailed standings, seasons stats, POTY would look that way.
Originally posted by Mr Eagle
I think the best option is "don't seek permission until you have to"...
Problem with that is they will usually give permission to sites before they get up and running, but once the site starts to get a bit of a reputation (if in fact this one days which hopefulyl it will) for being very reputable and start to become popular and then ask for permission to use logos etc,. there is very little chance the afl or whoever would let us because they would see us as a threat, if you get what i mean.
With that local cricket site, just a suggestion here, but wouldn't the yellow menu section look a bit better with a very small black border just defining the yellow against the white?
Originally posted by Visro
With that local cricket site, just a suggestion here, but wouldn't the yellow menu section look a bit better with a very small black border just defining the yellow against the white?
actually thats a pretty good idea. i've been trying to figure something out with that contents area since i done the site and its been ****ing me off to tell the truth. When i get the chance ill do that but it takes ages cause theres like 150 pages i gotta change or something.
You ever tried a program called CuteHTML?
It's basically just a text editor like notepad so you write everything from scratch (like you said you like to do above), but it has some handy features too, like recognising tags and popping up a menu to pick from if you want to.
also can put different bits of code in different colours, making it easy to spot which bit of the file is which - eg I have all img tags in red, links in green, etc.
The other feature which I think you'd find really handy given your comment on 150 pages to change is that you can have all those files open, and do a "find and replace" of the relevant bit of code in all of the files at once.
Originally posted by hourn
actually thats a pretty good idea. i've been trying to figure something out with that contents area since i done the site and its been ****ing me off to tell the truth. When i get the chance ill do that but it takes ages cause theres like 150 pages i gotta change or something.
LOL .. and that my friend is the reason you use WYSIWYG editors where you can create your own templates, and it edits the whole site for you.
Originally posted by ozzult
LOL .. and that my friend is the reason you use WYSIWYG editors where you can create your own templates, and it edits the whole site for you.
I'm with hourn on this one. I hate WYSIWYG editors too, because it seems to be very rare that WYGIWYW.