View Full Version : Cameron White picked as what?
The Fonz
9 Jan 2009, 16:17
Cameron White has been picked for both the 50 over and 20 over teams. Is this solely as a batsman because he hasn't been bowling much for Victoria as of late...
ManWithNoName
9 Jan 2009, 16:22
Presumably a batsman who can bowl if needed. Similar to Clarke.
How this bloke gets a game I have no idea.
Birchustar
9 Jan 2009, 16:32
a batter who bowls right arm slow not very well
ManWithNoName
9 Jan 2009, 16:34
How this bloke gets a game I have no idea.
Because he's an exceptionally good ODI batsman?
courtjester
9 Jan 2009, 16:47
Suspect he's there to provide the middle/late order batting firepower we'll be missing with Symonds out. Thought Pomersbach might have got a run before him.
White is a very good slip fielder though, perhaps with Hayden (and Clarke??) out that is a consideration as well.
White is a very good slip fielder though, perhaps with Hayden (and Clarke??) out that is a consideration as well.
plus he can give Ponting some captaincy tips.
fraser25
9 Jan 2009, 17:20
Of course the Melbourne media are so keen to draw attention to Hodge's supposed poor treatment but not White's somewhat lucky selection. I think he's just a bit of a slogger, maybe even a 20/20 specialist at international level. Someone like Callum Ferguson is equally attacking with a nicer range of shots.
Howard Littlejohn
9 Jan 2009, 17:27
How this bloke gets a game I have no idea.
Too much pressure from the Herald-Sun for the selectors to ignore? There sure as hell isn't any cricketing reason to pick him. But at least its only for 50 over and clown cricket, and not for the real thing.
Of course the Melbourne media are so keen to draw attention to Hodge's supposed poor treatment but not White's somewhat lucky selection. I think he's just a bit of a slogger, maybe even a 20/20 specialist at international level. Someone like Callum Ferguson is equally attacking with a nicer range of shots.
If you can get your hands on a physical copy of the Herald Sun, Michael Horan has declared Victoria reignining one day domestic champions on the back page..... Thats what the Herald Sun journo's know about cricket.
its been removed from their Internet version.
Of course the Melbourne media are so keen to draw attention to Hodge's supposed poor treatment but not White's somewhat lucky selection. I think he's just a bit of a slogger, maybe even a 20/20 specialist at international level. Someone like Callum Ferguson is equally attacking with a nicer range of shots.
Well he is in the team to slog the ball, he is not there to open the innings.
Seems a bit harsh on blokes like Hodge, North, Voges, Bailey, Ferguson, Klinger, Hughes, Pomersbach (I could go on ...) to select White ahead of them.
Presumably the selectors see him as a Symonds replacement in that he's a heavy hitter who can bowl average spin but fields well?
Because he's an exceptionally good ODI batsman?
But is he?
I've always thought he was a bit hit or miss. It seems odd to me they bring in White and drop McDonald who actually is quite a good batsman and also brings something to the table as a bowler. White certainly doesn't do that.
Seems a bit harsh on blokes like Hodge, North, Voges, Bailey, Ferguson, Klinger, Hughes, Pomersbach (I could go on ...) to select White ahead of them.
Presumably the selectors see him as a Symonds replacement in that he's a heavy hitter who can bowl average spin but fields well?
Pomersbach is the only hitter in that list and he is not even in the WA side.
It is bad enough that we pick bowlers who can't make their State side, please not batsmen too.
fraser25
9 Jan 2009, 17:49
If you can get your hands on a physical copy of the Herald Sun, Michael Horan has declared Victoria reignining one day domestic champions on the back page..... Thats what the Herald Sun journo's know about cricket.
its been removed from their Internet version.
Yes I read the whole thing it was embarrassing as a Vic, I know it's just like a stir thing with the papers trying to hook into emotions but some of the writing is quite pathetic and the discussion with Hogg and Anderson where Hogg criticises the 20/20 selection of Warner because he hasn't played a first class game:rolleyes:
Nevertheless it's pleasing that the ridiculousness wasn't replicated here the most populated cricket forum in Australia with a large number of Victorians. Nobody has bought into the crap in today's paper, it's nice to see.
But is he?
I've always thought he was a bit hit or miss. It seems odd to me they bring in White and drop McDonald who actually is quite a good batsman and also brings something to the table as a bowler. White certainly doesn't do that.
This was another thing mentioned in todays hoopla, McDonald. He's never played for the One day team how can he be considered dropped.
Anyway re: Horan's comparing with he Hopes has done a good job over the past few years and to react like it's surprising McDonald hasn't been selected for a team he's never been considered for is ridiculous. Hopes also has about 9 first class centuries or something (I stand to be corrected) and maybe a few in ODD as well compared to McDonald's 2 in FC and none in OD.
Ill Chicken
9 Jan 2009, 17:52
Mate the guy isn't test quality but he is fringe ODI/T20. He hits a long ball, fields well and can send down a few overs. While he'd have to hit a few big scores in the side to nail the position, he is a handy stop gap player.
Marklar_33
9 Jan 2009, 18:03
This was another thing mentioned in todays hoopla, McDonald. He's never played for the One day team how can he be considered dropped.
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The other thing I liked was when he said Shaun Marsh came in to replace Matthew Hayden... Shaun Marsh played in our last ODI series, and averages 47 at a rate of 76 over his first 8 matches. WHAT A TOOL!!!
Pomersbach is the only hitter in that list and he is not even in the WA side.
It is bad enough that we pick bowlers who can't make their State side, please not batsmen too.
Interesting considering White's List A career strike rate is 80.
Ferguson's is 84
Voges is 78
Hodge's (ODI) is 84
Bailey's is 81.
So all these blokes have the same ball park strike rate's as White and your suggestion than neither Ferguson nor Voges can hit is insane. Would prefer better all round batsmen then a token hitter to be honest.
And while blokes like the Hussey's, Haddin, Ponting and Marsh are in the side how many pure hitters do we need at the expense of a decent batsman?
Well he's a Victorian. He has to be good.
crowsarethebest
9 Jan 2009, 22:27
Mate the guy isn't test quality but he is fringe ODI/T20. He hits a long ball, fields well and can send down a few overs. While he'd have to hit a few big scores in the side to nail the position, he is a handy stop gap player.
He has potential to be a lethal player. Only 25 years of age and was a bowling all-rounder then changed to concentrate on his batting. The amount of improvement in his batting since he has swapped roles has been really really big. That's why he is picked. I've got a feeling he'll take another few years before he shows us what he can do. He's a very talented player and people forget he's still only 25.
placebo
10 Jan 2009, 00:26
Because he's an exceptionally good ODI batsman?
God I hope you''re joking.
People like Ponting or Gilchrist are exceptionally good ODI batsmen. Don't waste that term on someone like Cameron White.
Bradesmaen
10 Jan 2009, 00:35
Pomersbach is the only hitter in that list and he is not even in the WA side.
It is bad enough that we pick bowlers who can't make their State side, please not batsmen too.
You realise Voges did have the fastest ODD century not long ago. (I think - maybe it was 50)
lewigie
10 Jan 2009, 00:41
You realise Voges did have the fastest ODD century not long ago. (I think - maybe it was 50)
Wasn't it 100 runs in 56 balls? Then Ronchi beat it in either the same match, or one after with 51?
Cameron White picked as what?
A haevy hitting lower order bat who bowls a great straight ball.
Much like in the Tests in India.
Cmon people its obvious...
hes a great bowler did you see his effort in the 20/20 last night.
Bradesmaen
10 Jan 2009, 01:05
hes a great bowler did you see his effort in the 20/20 last night.
Is that sarcastic? Didn't he get 2 wickets off of longhop balls that should have been smacked for 6?
He can't spin it anyway, just bowls medium pace.
dan warna
10 Jan 2009, 06:54
Is that sarcastic? Didn't he get 2 wickets off of longhop balls that should have been smacked for 6?
He can't spin it anyway, just bowls medium pace.
that already puts him ahead of beau Casson and Hauritz.
Is that sarcastic? Didn't he get 2 wickets off of longhop balls that should have been smacked for 6?
He can't spin it anyway, just bowls medium pace.
yes, it was.
You realise Voges did have the fastest ODD century not long ago. (I think - maybe it was 50)
Having said that wasn't it scored at North Sydney Oval?
Bit of a handicap in his favour;)
The 747
10 Jan 2009, 11:41
Interesting considering White's List A career strike rate is 80.
Ferguson's is 84
Voges is 78
Hodge's (ODI) is 84
Bailey's is 81.
So all these blokes have the same ball park strike rate's as White and your suggestion than neither Ferguson nor Voges can hit is insane. Would prefer better all round batsmen then a token hitter to be honest.
And while blokes like the Hussey's, Haddin, Ponting and Marsh are in the side how many pure hitters do we need at the expense of a decent batsman?
The career strike rate is irrelevant, White plays as a genuine batsman for Victoria and bats accordingly. He is being picked in the ODI side for his ability to clear the boundary and hit at the end of the innings.
The selectors obviously prefer someone like White coming in with 5 or 10 overs to go in the innings than the blokes you suggest. He is not in the Aus team to make 100 (120) he is there to make 30(15) at the end and bowl 3 or 4 overs if needed.
Bradesmaen
10 Jan 2009, 16:39
The career strike rate is irrelevant, White plays as a genuine batsman for Victoria and bats accordingly. He is being picked in the ODI side for his ability to clear the boundary and hit at the end of the innings.
The selectors obviously prefer someone like White coming in with 5 or 10 overs to go in the innings than the blokes you suggest. He is not in the Aus team to make 100 (120) he is there to make 30(15) at the end and bowl 3 or 4 overs if needed.
Which is dangerous if we get to 5/90 or something, White comes in and he's not the best "get out of a situation" batter. I admit, I don't see him very often living in SA, but when I have seen him, he's not the greatest batter, but plays the slog well. We should get someone who can do both, like Voges.
The Reaper
10 Jan 2009, 16:52
Which is dangerous if we get to 5/90 or something, White comes in and he's not the best "get out of a situation" batter. I admit, I don't see him very often living in SA, but when I have seen him, he's not the greatest batter, but plays the slog well. We should get someone who can do both, like Voges.
Voges has a very limited stroke range
Not any where near international standard
For the role I assume White was selected for (replacing Symonds) he is the best suited in teh country.
Chops_a_must
10 Jan 2009, 16:56
Voges has a very limited stroke range
Not any where near international standard
For the role I assume White was selected for (replacing Symonds) he is the best suited in teh country.
I disagree.
He is a very classy batsmen with all the shots. It's what is between his ears that is the problem.
Bradesmaen
10 Jan 2009, 20:01
Voges has a very limited stroke range
Not any where near international standard
For the role I assume White was selected for (replacing Symonds) he is the best suited in teh country.
Clearly he wasn't selected as a replacement for Symonds, as Symonds can bowl decently. If White was selected as a lower order slogger, he's still not the best in the country. He's selected cause he has a contract and the selectors like him. Its the same way Johnson got selected a lot early in his career (now he's bowling semi-decent)
The Reaper
10 Jan 2009, 20:10
Clearly he wasn't selected as a replacement for Symonds, as Symonds can bowl decently. If White was selected as a lower order slogger, he's still not the best in the country. He's selected cause he has a contract and the selectors like him. Its the same way Johnson got selected a lot early in his career (now he's bowling semi-decent)
Clearly White was selected to replace symonds.
Symonds is the late order big hitter and part time bowler. His injury removes him from the side.
Cameron White is a late order big hitter and part time bowler. He was selected to replace Symonds.
Bradesmaen
10 Jan 2009, 20:12
Clearly White was selected to replace symonds.
Symonds is the late order big hitter and part time bowler. His injury removes him from the side.
Cameron White is a late order big hitter and part time bowler. He was selected to replace Symonds.
How do you figure that one out? He can't bowl and he cant bat that well.
The Reaper
10 Jan 2009, 20:18
How do you figure that one out? He can't bowl and he cant bat that well.
However that is what the selectors picked him to do. To fulfil Symonds role.
dan warna
10 Jan 2009, 20:29
How do you figure that one out? He can't bowl and he cant bat that well.
averaged around 50 for the last couple of seasons with the bat and bowls as well as hauritz, kreja and casson.
also given the fragility of the Vic batting line up, has done rescue jobs in the middle order plenty of times.
dont bowl there
10 Jan 2009, 22:43
White wouldn't get a bowl in our local league, its amazing that people think he might be able to bowl 3-4 overs in an international. In my opinion he shouldn't get a go as a batsman and his bowling is worse than anyone playing state cricket so I can't understand why he is playing.
ManWithNoName
10 Jan 2009, 22:50
White wouldn't get a bowl in our local league, its amazing that people think he might be able to bowl 3-4 overs in an international. In my opinion he shouldn't get a go as a batsman and his bowling is worse than anyone playing state cricket so I can't understand why he is playing.
And how many times have you dismissed Sachin Tendulkar in India?
dont bowl there
10 Jan 2009, 22:56
And how many times have you dismissed Sachin Tendulkar in India?
What a shit response.
ManWithNoName
10 Jan 2009, 23:04
What a shit response.
Well if he couldn't get a game in your local league you're all obviously spinning them sideways. No doubt Sachin is your bitch.
dont bowl there
10 Jan 2009, 23:12
Where did I say he wouldn't get a game? He wouldn't bowl thats for sure the guy can barely hit the pitch and when he does its as short as shit. Pathetic bowler that as captain barely bowls himself and is not in the top 7-8 OD batsman in the country, I dont see how he is getting a game for Australia. Saying that i am not surprised at all that he got picked.
ManWithNoName
10 Jan 2009, 23:51
Where did I say he wouldn't get a game? He wouldn't bowl thats for sure the guy can barely hit the pitch and when he does its as short as shit. Pathetic bowler that as captain barely bowls himself and is not in the top 7-8 OD batsman in the country, I dont see how he is getting a game for Australia. Saying that i am not surprised at all that he got picked.
Hence we return to my original question, how many times have players in your league dismissed Sachin in India? I'm tipping the only way they'd get him would be if Sachin threw his shoulder out from all the boundaries he'd be smashing.
dont bowl there
11 Jan 2009, 00:00
Probably...still an absolutely shit response.
krisholio14
11 Jan 2009, 00:04
plus he can give Ponting some captaincy tips.
My oath he could :D
There's no doubt he's been picked as a late order slugger who can roll the arm over if required (and hopefully for Australia it isn't).
krisholio14
11 Jan 2009, 00:13
Probably...still an absolutely shit response.
A shit response to your shit OP.
I don't rate Cameron White's bowling one iota, but if you seriously think he wouldn't get a bowl in park cricket you know nothing about the game.
I think it's fair to ask how many bowlers in your park league have dismissed one of the finest batsmen ever to play the game in his own backyard. I don't think there'd be too many, so i'd suggest a bowler who has done the above might just be allowed to send down at least a couple of overs at park level.
Bradesmaen
11 Jan 2009, 00:50
Hence we return to my original question, how many times have players in your league dismissed Sachin in India? I'm tipping the only way they'd get him would be if Sachin threw his shoulder out from all the boundaries he'd be smashing.
Exactly how White got Sachin out. Amazing that.
Chops_a_must
11 Jan 2009, 01:51
Hence we return to my original question, how many times have players in your league dismissed Sachin in India? I'm tipping the only way they'd get him would be if Sachin threw his shoulder out from all the boundaries he'd be smashing.
Exactly how White got Sachin out. Amazing that.
Krejza board.
In fairness to White, he clearly has been picked to replace Symonds' role in the team.
Which as far as anyone can tell, is to bat like a crab and to bowl like a bashed crab.
Should suit the role perfectly.
Cousin Jed
11 Jan 2009, 09:05
LOL at people saying Symonds is in the one day side to slog which White can easily replace. He averages 40 in ODI cricket.
White could play his entire one day career against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and not even come close to that number.
Adam Selwood
11 Jan 2009, 09:50
As average a cricketer White is, I can understand why he was picked
He's a good hitter of the ball and as shit as he is as a bowler, he still isn't going to go for heaps. His 'leg breaks' are ideal for ODIs
The 747
12 Jan 2009, 17:30
LOL at people saying Symonds is in the one day side to slog which White can easily replace. He averages 40 in ODI cricket.
White could play his entire one day career against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and not even come close to that number.
And what did everyone say about Symonds in ODI cricket before the WC 2003?
Did okay tonight, albeit with a reprieve. :thumbsu:
happy_eagle
13 Jan 2009, 21:48
Yeh he does okay as a Slogging Twenty20 middle order batsman
Nothing else though
Yeh he does okay as a Slogging Twenty20 middle order batsman
Nothing else though
Yep. Agreed
How this bloke gets a game I have no idea.
Eating my pie :thumbsu:
Bananayard
13 Jan 2009, 22:26
Yeh he does okay as a Slogging Twenty20 middle order batsman
Nothing else though
Will make a very good #5-6 ODI batsman aswell.
With the Injuries, It looks like Cam White will be playing in the first ODI. Hope he does well
NorthBhoy
14 Jan 2009, 08:27
I think White bowls trash, but are there many better options in the country if you want a bloke to open his shoulders and clear the fance in the middle order? He is a machine.
djboonie
14 Jan 2009, 09:28
Doesn't make runs by accident, he's just not much of a bowler.
He has a sensational eye, and can wield the willow.
There as a bat. Wouldn't mind seeing him open in the ODI's