View Full Version : Time for some controversy - overrated bands
GOALden Hawk
4 Nov 2002, 10:27
This board has been a bit too tame for my liking - time for a bit of controversy.
What bands do you think are grossly overrated? Don't be afraid to step on some toes!
I'll kick things off:
The Eagles - why not start with the biggest selling album of all time? I reckon they are one hit wonders. Their "folk rock" sound is widely agreed to have set live music back 10 years with their sleep-inspiring country jaunts. Apart from Hotel California just how many good songs did they actually have?
Dire Straights - Don't get me wrong, I think Mark Knopfler (sp?) is an amazing guitarist. It's just I think most of their songs are not really any good. "Twisting by the pool"??? Please! :rolleyes:
Dire Straits, maaaaaybe, Eagles, never IMO.
Eagles are a great band, but i do think that Hotel California is overrated, but New Kid In Town is the most underrated song of all-time. Its a great tune.
As for the Straits, yea, a bit overrated but great none-the-less. Knoppfler is a freak, and mone for nothing is sensational as is Romeo and Juliet, but alot of their songs are pretty boring if you get what i mean.
mongrelpunt
4 Nov 2002, 11:04
The Strokes.
I think it was Richard Kingsmill that called them that. I'd tend to agree.
Ooh, I'll have a go.
Overrated band of the decade, century, millenium and aeon: Nirvana.
McAlmanac
4 Nov 2002, 11:39
Oasis. Not a bad band, but just no better than a plethora of others.
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 12:10
Originally posted by Mocca
Ooh, I'll have a go.
Overrated band of the decade, century, millenium and aeon: Nirvana.
Don't go there... but, since you have, please explain?
Rusty Brookes
4 Nov 2002, 12:16
Originally posted by mongrelpunt
The Strokes.
I think it was Richard Kingsmill that called them that. I'd tend to agree.
Little rich kids who got Daddy to get them a record deal because he has connections in the industry. A total rip-off off the early New York Punk scene (Television, Blondie, The Voidoids) except those bands had to work hard for their success. The Strokes are crap musos and their songs are unimaginative. I wish they'd all p*ss off back to their boarding school in the Swiss Alps.
You might have gathered I don't like the Strokes much.
The_Flying_Egg
4 Nov 2002, 12:16
Originally posted by Mocca
Ooh, I'll have a go.
Overrated band of the decade, century, millenium and aeon: Nirvana.
Spot on
My reasoning for agreeing with Mocca is a complex one: their songs are crap
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 12:26
Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
Spot on
My reasoning for agreeing with Mocca is a complex one: their songs are crap
why? such as?
Silverchair pre-Diorama.
Black Crowes.
Live.
manutd/dogs
4 Nov 2002, 12:44
Blink 182 were grossly overrated. Thank god that situation no longer exists.
The Vines are a good band, bit nobody should get this much hype.
Shinboners
4 Nov 2002, 12:45
The Doors. Jimbo dying was the best thing he did for the world of music, although whilst we were spared any more of his crappy lyrics, it also meant that the cult of personality that death puts on an artist (using the term "artist" in the loosest possibly sense when referring to Jimbo) means that his music is undeservedly remembered for far longer that it really should have been.
Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
4 Nov 2002, 12:49
GRHHH how did i kno Nirvana were gonna get a mention :mad:
i reckon Silverchair r over rated now, they were once one of my fave bands :( now i hate them same with Foo Fighters
PrideofSA
4 Nov 2002, 13:05
The Vines are amazingly overrated, haven't heard as much usless noise in my life!
Originally posted by manutd/dogs
The Vines are a good band, bit nobody should get this much hype.
The Vines are a reasonable band, provided you don't have to ever see them live.
The reason I love Pitchforkmedia.com, is that they usually see through the hype and tell it how it is: Vines Review (http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/v/vines/highly-evolved.shtml)
Doors, yes definitely. Oasis, yes. Eagles, yes. Dire Straights, a bit.
Still like all the aforementioned bands though!
Originally posted by Mocca
Ooh, I'll have a go.
Overrated band of the decade, century, millenium and aeon: Nirvana.
Would they be as popular if Kurt didn't bite the bullet ? possibly not.
Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
4 Nov 2002, 13:45
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Would they be as popular if Kurt didn't bite the bullet ? possibly not.
am glad he did kill himself now if he hadda stuck around who knos wot woulda happened to Nirvana's sound. It probably woulda taken a turn for the worst like Metallica, Silverchair. Foo Fighters etc and turned into a teeeny bopper band!
The Vines
Live
Pearl Jam ;)
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 14:25
Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
am glad he did kill himself now if he hadda stuck around who knos wot woulda happened to Nirvana's sound. It probably woulda taken a turn for the worst like Metallica, Silverchair. Foo Fighters etc and turned into a teeeny bopper band!
You obviously weren't a Nirvana fan at the time... because you don't have a clue about their music and the direction it was heading... don't ever speak about Kurt in those terms, he was our messiah, our spokesperson for Generation X... how old are you?
Stealth bomber
4 Nov 2002, 14:28
The Sex Pistols.
Somebody is really going to kill me for that one.
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 14:29
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Would they be as popular if Kurt didn't bite the bullet ? possibly not.
They already were... You got no idea, how old were you during the early 90s? i bet you were younger than 10...
Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
My reasoning for agreeing with Mocca is a complex one: their songs are crap Sound reasoning.
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 14:35
I'M NOT HAVING ANYONE BAG NIRVANA WITHOUT GIVING A LEGITIMENT REASON, ie crap songs is not valid
McAlmanac
4 Nov 2002, 14:38
Originally posted by the REAL dingo
I'M NOT HAVING ANYONE BAG NIRVANA WITHOUT GIVING A LEGITIMENT REASON, ie crap songs is not valid
Fair enough. But you like Avril Lavigne....
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 14:39
Originally posted by McAlmanac
Fair enough. But you like Avril Lavigne....
I like what Avril Lavigne looks like...
Originally posted by the REAL dingo
I'M NOT HAVING ANYONE BAG NIRVANA WITHOUT GIVING A LEGITIMENT REASON, ie crap songs is not valid
i dont see how its the invalid.
I'm not a huge nirvana fan but i dont mind them.
but if people just don't like their music, then so be it. Not everyone has the same taste.
the REAL dingo
4 Nov 2002, 14:48
Originally posted by hourn
i dont see how its the invalid.
I'm not a huge nirvana fan but i dont mind them.
but if people just don't like their music, then so be it. Not everyone has the same taste.
Fair enough... but crap songs and thats it? what makes them crap?
Leaping Lindner
4 Nov 2002, 15:03
Originally posted by Stealth bomber
The Sex Pistols.
Somebody is really going to kill me for that one.
I'm not going to kill you......yet!
The Sex Pistols as a band were average.Sid Vicious could barely play the bass,Glen Matlock was a competent guitarist,Paul Cook was an OK drummer and Johnny...well you wouldn't call it singing.
What they did do however was grab 'rock' music by its heels and turn it upside down and shake the living sh it out of it at a time that it was DESPERATELY needed. They said to kids all over the world "Hey you don't have to have 10 years of guitar lessons.You don't have to do 20 minute guitar solos.You don't need to kiss the ar$e of a major label.Just get some mates together and DO IT!"
And thank God hundreds followed their lead.The way music was going at the time made elevator music look like hard rock!
McAlmanac
4 Nov 2002, 15:18
Originally posted by Leaping Lindner
The Sex Pistols as a band were average.....
And thank God hundreds followed their lead.The way music was going at the time made elevator music look like hard rock!
What - you haven't got any Boz Scaggs albums???
Leaping Lindner
4 Nov 2002, 15:21
Originally posted by McAlmanac
What - you haven't got any Boz Scaggs albums???
Bit slow today Mac.Don't get your point!
mattyc2422
4 Nov 2002, 15:23
Originally posted by the REAL dingo
I like what Avril Lavigne looks like...
A tryhard scrag?
McAlmanac
4 Nov 2002, 15:24
Just the reference to elevator music.
I'm sure you have an overrated nomination.....
Leaping Lindner
4 Nov 2002, 15:29
Originally posted by McAlmanac
Just the reference to elevator music.
I'm sure you have an overrated nomination.....
Fair call.
I was thinking of bands of the ilk of Kansas,Poco and all that other American west coast "soft rock" cr ap.Hey, you are talking to someone who remembers the "Starland Vocal Band"!!!!!!!
McAlmanac
4 Nov 2002, 15:31
Originally posted by Leaping Lindner
Fair call.
I was thinking of bands of the ilk of Kansas,Poco and all that other American west coast "soft rock" cr ap.Hey, you are talking to someone who remembers the "Starland Vocal Band"!!!!!!!
Ouch. They're not the ones who sang "Afternoon Delight"?
Leaping Lindner
4 Nov 2002, 15:34
Originally posted by McAlmanac
Ouch. They're not the ones who sang "Afternoon Delight"?
..........and provided a great gag for "The Simpsons".Remember Homer's tattoo?
Originally posted by the REAL dingo
don't ever speak about Kurt in those terms, he was our messiah, our spokesperson for Generation X... how old are you?
So if the spokesperson for you and your generation kills himself, why haven't you followed the wise deeds of your master and leader?
He's not the messiah, he was just a drugged up f*ckwit who knew four guitar chords.
Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
4 Nov 2002, 16:09
Originally posted by the REAL dingo
You obviously weren't a Nirvana fan at the time... because you don't have a clue about their music and the direction it was heading... don't ever speak about Kurt in those terms, he was our messiah, our spokesperson for Generation X... how old are you?
Fu@k U!!!!
i was one of their biggest fans ever u d1ck. Own absolutely everything Nirvana ever brought out......tapes, cds, posters, every single picture ever taken of the band i reckon, every single tshirt they brought out, every single book on Kurt/Nirvana the list goes on my room was a bl00dy shrine to them so don't go tellin me i dont have a clue about them or am not a Nirvana fan :mad: :mad: :mad:
if u would have liked to see them go from grunge band to/poppy teeny band like every other band from that era then u r the one whos not a Nirvana fan!!!!!!
Band - Creed
DJ - Paul Oakenfold. They guy is the biggest fraud going around. Average DJ, and he didnt write any of the music on his CD either!
Docker_Brat
4 Nov 2002, 17:26
Dire Straits. Pure crap, can't believe they were so popular. When they tourned in '86, people who went were ranting on about how good it was, I would much rather watch paint dry, they are that boring.
Pearl Jam. Don't know why people go off about them. Another boring band IMO.
Nirvana. They were OK but they have become legendary since Cobain put a gun to his head. Grohl is probably thankful seeing he wouldn't have been half as successful.
KISS!
they were/are popular just because the put make up on, bunch of clowns~
Lockyer24
4 Nov 2002, 19:16
Pearl Jam and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
SonOfScray
4 Nov 2002, 20:18
George - they are pathetic, and everyone in the media raves about them! Utter ****! CRAPOLE!
most underratted are Klinger
happy_in_hell
4 Nov 2002, 20:31
Any American band that is played on MMM
Creed, Nickelback (although the lead snger IS the paddle-pop lion:D )
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Holly Valance yet?
Although she has an excellent management company:
"i'm not going to sing live until i go to Asia (who don't actually care whether English singers can sing, they just like the music)
Live - should have either stopped at Throwing Copper or had a long hard think before releasing "When the Dolphins Cry"
Bon Jovi - Blaze of Glory Soundtrack is a killer album (my opinion, rock music not my forte, but i like it:) )
How could he go wrong with Its My Life?????
U2 - Why hasn't any member of the band had a listen to '1980-1990', hit Bono on the back of the head and screamed at him: Remember 'I Will Follow' or 'The Angels of Harlem'? Excellent songs that are sadly forgotten by the general Fox-following public.
Even Killing Heidi have become crap.
sandeano
4 Nov 2002, 20:50
Far too many people are in posession of Billy Joel albums. Quite possibly the very worst popular singer/songwriter of all time.
Meatloaf. That's as good a reason as any for punk.
Dire Straits. Musical Mogadon.
Any Elton John post-1976. "Shoot the Piano Player"? Yes please.
Pink Floyd. Made millions off the ruined brains of pimply faced, mullet-headed teenage boys who usually kill themselves within five years of purchasing "The Wall". I would too if I listened to that nonsense each day.
Rod Stewart. A fatal planecrash after "Altantic Crossing" would have made him a legend. Otherwise just a pathetic old fool.
The Cure. Yeah, song nice pop songs, but for some reason I was always in the mood for a little of the ol' ultra violence whenever I saw Robert Smith's mug on the tele.
Stealth bomber
4 Nov 2002, 21:02
I like Pink Floyd. Just goes to show you, different strokes for different folks, eh?
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think you need drugs to enjoy it. I will say though that The Wall album is overrated. I prefer Animals and Obscured by Clouds.
sandeano
4 Nov 2002, 21:09
Actually I was a touch over-doing it there. I actually own about 10 Floyd Albums, just like I own all of the Doors' releases. However I have not listened to either band in at leat a decade and for some reason I feel that as the years have progressed they have been exposed as pompous poseurs, exploiting a vulnerable little subculture and preaching to the converted.
Brett Li
4 Nov 2002, 21:12
REM
Sinkers_9
4 Nov 2002, 21:18
George - Lets give the she male some air time, just trash
Nirvana - How many albums did they release? Maybe 2 or 3 good songs thats it
Limp Bizkit - ****house, a fad that went very quickly
Hoobastank - Try hard Incubus
Blink 182 - Trash, so whiny, I'd love to smash em
Matchbox20 - I didn't know they had more than 4 songs
The Vines - One good song, and they are next big thing? I think not
And the grandaddy of them all - KISS, look at what happened to them when the makeup came off
sandeano
4 Nov 2002, 21:24
Originally posted by Brett Li
REM
Yes! perpetually in love with their own smug self-satisfaction.
CowboyFromHell
4 Nov 2002, 21:28
POD
Creed
Nickelback
All they gay boy bands etc...
Basically, the usual suspects.
Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
4 Nov 2002, 21:32
Originally posted by Sinkers_9
And the grandaddy of them all - KISS, look at what happened to them when the makeup came off
I dont see a problem with Kiss taking their make up off now. If anything it was the smartest thing do to so that they wouldnt get recognised and stalked in public.
Originally posted by happy_in_hell
Live - should have either stopped at Throwing Copper or had a long hard think before releasing "When the Dolphins Cry"
perhaps they should've held onto some of the songs on THrowing Copper for a little while longer to get abit of longevity into the band.
It seriously is a good album and Secret Samadhi was never going to be able to get close to it, although there are a couple of good tracks on SS and Distance to Here. V is crap, although i dont mind Overcome (at the right time).
Woulda been a wiser move to hold back probably "I Alone" and "All Over You" till SS, maybe even hold one of them back till The Distance to Here.
They produced their 3 best songs (those two along with Lightning Crashes - their best) on the one album (which was their second album), which were absolute killer tracks and therefore were never going to be able to follow it up.
AlfAndrews
4 Nov 2002, 21:54
Originally posted by Stealth bomber
The Sex Pistols.
Somebody is really going to kill me for that one.
Yeah ... me.
Sinkers_9
4 Nov 2002, 22:00
Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
I dont see a problem with Kiss taking their make up off now. If anything it was the smartest thing do to so that they wouldnt get recognised and stalked in public.
I was referring to the unmasked album in the 80's that did very poorly, they are a gimmick not a band. You obviously misunderstood
mogwai
bush
hole
the vines
coldplay
live
limp bizkit
...not bands, but u know what i mean:
ben lee
alex lloyd
robbie williams
lenny kravitz
mattyc2422
4 Nov 2002, 22:19
The Vines are way over rated, and I personally love Live.
2pac
ok, i'm not bagging the following two groups... but, i've downloaded alot of shyte from them, but struggle to find anything worthwhile to hang on to! most of it, straight to the trash can !
manic street preachers
dave matthews band
Incubus - one good song (Drive) does not make a good band. They could do us all a favour and go away.
The Hitman
5 Nov 2002, 07:01
Look out, I'm about to go off tap...
Let's start off with Nirvana. Anyone who thinks Kurt Cobain represents 'Generation X' is just a slave to the media hype that the band hated so much. The music started something new in the mainstream, but his songs were a representation of his inner disturbances, not a representation of an entire generation.
It is the media that overrated their role to society, not the actual music that was overrated. Four studio albums before Kurt's death beats 90% of what bands release these days. Oasis has only produced four albums in 10 years, while it only took five for Nirvana to do the same.
As for Kurt's death making Nirvana what they are. I'll agree to an extent that it glorifies his role to some extent, but to say his death made Nirvana popular is just wrong. Again, the media treats Kurt like a martyr. So do some Nirvana fans. But I think you have the wrong idea if you say Kurt's death made the band. It made the 'legend' of Kurt Cobain - not the legendary music of Nirvana. There's a difference.
Now onto The Vines. Once again, it's the media. NME hails them "the new Nirvana". Well f*ck me, but they hadn't released an album by that stage, and they are just another Strokes/White Stripes'Hives type. However, they are still a good sounding rock band. Overhyped by the British media (notice not much attention is being payed to them in their own country?) who are just looking for another band to build up and proclaim the "next big thing". I like their music. Not ground-breaking, and not the new Nirvana. But they have a good rocky sound.
Hole, Live, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, all those same-ish Triple M 'rock' bands (and I use that term very loosely) like Creed, Lifehouse, and Incubus are all overrated IMHO.
The Hitman
Originally posted by sandeano
(R.E.M). Yes! perpetually in love with their own smug self-satisfaction.
I'd suggest they'd be one of the more humble and down-to-earth of the "super-bands" of the world. Definitely the most interesting "stars" of the music world.
If I was going to have a pint with anyone regarded as a "star" from the music industry, I'd have to say that Mike Mills would be my first choice. In fact, they all seem like top blokes. Not to mention, they've put out an entire back-catalogue of classic records.
A lot of people seem to like Machine Gun Fellatio . . . I'm not really sure why.
The Hitman
5 Nov 2002, 08:05
Originally posted by Stocka
A lot of people seem to like Machine Gun Fellatio . . . I'm not really sure why.
Hehe. You said "fellatio". You're funny. :)
The Hitman
the REAL dingo
5 Nov 2002, 08:16
Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
if u would have liked to see them go from grunge band to/poppy teeny band like every other band from that era then u r the one whos not a Nirvana fan!!!!!!
Are you serious? Tell me the bands that went teeny poppy? Mudhoney? Screaming Trees? Soundgarden?
POD and Blur are hugely overated
the REAL dingo
5 Nov 2002, 08:43
Originally posted by mattyc2422
A tryhard scrag?
So What? She's still cute as, can still look hot and not have to wear next to nothing... real beauty...
Originally posted by CowboyFromHell
POD
they are rated?? :confused:
GOALden Hawk
5 Nov 2002, 10:16
Originally posted by Stocka
A lot of people seem to like Machine Gun Fellatio . . . I'm not really sure why.
HEAR HEAR! Absolute garbage. And can someone tell them it's not cool to mention how you do drugs in every interview.
Dire Straights. Musical Mogadon - I like it.
The mythology of the death of Kurt Cobain and the fantatical following they have means the band is always going to be blown out of proportion. The music however isn't.
Someone made the point on the Sex Pistols not been great musicians, but their music been important because music was in such a dire state at the time. One of the reasons for that was the rubbish the Eagles were pumping out at the time.
INXS
Pearl Jam
Killing Heidi
Pink Floyd
U2
Any ARIA winner
SydneyBomber
5 Nov 2002, 11:25
Nirvana & Pearl Jam - overrated beyond belief.
Nothing that hadn't been done a million times before.
Would've preferred to see Vedder eat a bullet - at least Cobain seemed to have some sort of a sense of humour.
Shyte music.
Shyte attitude (FAKE!)
Just shyte IMO.
The cult of Kurt makes me sick, and has since he blew his head off.
yeah, lets all look to a man with soo much money/fame he became a heroin spastic and deprived his daughter of a father.
what a joke.
:o
Nirvana is the big one for me, in part because their music was nothing new, but mainly because the Media and their fan's continual gross over-estimation of their importance to a Generation. Music wise Nirvana weren't doing anything that Sonic Youth other New York underground bands hadn't been doing for a decade. Sonic Youth also had a greater understanding of their craft and I personally think it shows in their albums. Daydream Nation, Goo and Dirty sound 100 times better Nevermind.
I find it rather distressing that a person can be held in such high regard (a martyr of sorts), after he took his own life. Surely the opposite should be true.
PrideofSA
5 Nov 2002, 11:59
Originally posted by jod23
Incubus - one good song (Drive) does not make a good band. They could do us all a favour and go away.
no 1 good radio song u mean!
Drive is like none of their other stuff at all!
Thier older stuff is really a lot heavier, funkier and definitely is alternative. They have their own style going there. If u only jugde them of what u hear on the radio, then u cannot say that they have 1 good song!
PrideofSA
5 Nov 2002, 12:00
Originally posted by Porthos
INXS
Pearl Jam
Killing Heidi
Pink Floyd
U2
Any ARIA winner
The Any ARIA winner is a pretty sad statement, meaning that no matter how good they are but if they win an ARIA, they are crap?
what the?
PrideofSA
5 Nov 2002, 12:02
Originally posted by Stocka
A lot of people seem to like Machine Gun Fellatio . . . I'm not really sure why.
Yeah, I liked 1 or 2 of their songs but apart from that they are a bit boring
PrideofSA
5 Nov 2002, 12:03
Kid Rock is overrated. he's got a damn mullet for Christ's sake.
PrideofSA
5 Nov 2002, 12:09
Also for all ppl that say that Pearl Jam is overrated.
What about bands such as Creed, Lifehouse, etc, etc, that tried to sound exactly like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam. He was had that voice first, so u must think that those bands are also overrated!
Stealth bomber
5 Nov 2002, 12:31
Someone made the point on the Sex Pistols not been great musicians, but their music been important because music was in such a dire state at the time. One of the reasons for that was the rubbish the Eagles were pumping out at the time.
I was hesitant to get into this debate, because I knew it would draw a very hostile reaction. But that is one of the reasons why I dislike them - nobody seems allowed to say anything bad about them without having your throat jumped in. They are one of the sacred cows of the rock critic world.
I have listened to the music. I wouldn't be qualified to judge it otherwise. I don't think it is terrible, but it isn't great either. But I am also listening to it 25 years on; I can't appreciate what it did at the time it came out; I imagine it was quite a shock. I suppose that because I've grown up in this generation of gangster cop-killa rap and arrogant thrash-metal rap that I am desensitized to it.
People always say "They can't play the instruments, or write very good songs, but who cares?". Well, again, just my opinion, but I LIKE well crafted songs and people who are proficient on their instruments, when they aren't overly pretentious, of course. I will say though that there are a few 20 minute songs I like and I'm not afraid to admit that.
To some extent, I feel the Sex Pistols are responsible for taking some of the substance out of the music, and putting more emphasis on attitude and presentation, to the point where showing ANY substance became a detriment, not an asset.
I like the Police - good band. Won't listen to anything Sting does now, but I have all the Police records. Love Stewart Copeland's playing; tried to copy it myself. When they were starting out, they intentionally played BADLY. They didn't want to audiences to see how good their chops were, for fear of rejection. That really bugs me that musicians felt like they had to do that just to fit in with the trend.
It is this influence that the Sex Pistols had, that I don't care for. But I suppose somebody will tell me that without the Sex Pistols, the Police wouldn't have made it. We'll never know that.
I also happen to disagree with the popular sentiment that music was in a terrible state at that time. Countless rock critics hail them for "fixing the music business". I was barely born so I don't understand fully that, but I have a lot of albums recorded during 1975 and 1976 and I think they are terrific. So I guess I'm not sure why the music business needed "fixing".
There was a lot of crap before 1977, and there was a lot of crap after 1977. In fact, disco and dance music arguably got more popular after that, at least for a brief period of time. There was still a lot of Donna Summer and Bee Gees and Styx and Journey around and would be for a few more years.
I don't mean to take anything away from the Sex Pistols - the original "alternative" band you could say - it is obvious to anyone that they have had an enormous effect on the industry from day one. I respect that, even if I'll never like them or their music.
Just my admittedly unpopular opinion.
Leaping Lindner
5 Nov 2002, 12:45
Originally posted by Stealth bomber
I also happen to disagree with the popular sentiment that music was in a terrible state at that time. Countless rock critics hail them for "fixing the music business". I was barely born so I don't understand fully that, but I have a lot of albums recorded during 1975 and 1976 and I think they are terrific. So I guess I'm not sure why the music business needed "fixing".
There was a lot of crap before 1977, and there was a lot of crap after 1977. In fact, disco and dance music arguably got more popular after that, at least for a brief period of time. There was still a lot of Donna Summer and Bee Gees and Styx and Journey around and would be for a few more years.
.
Yes there was a lot of crap after 1977 but thanks to the Sex Pistols people like myself had an "alternative" to what was being rammed down our throats on commercial television and radio.At the time I was listening to bands such as The Clash,The Buzzcoks,The Ramones,The Stranglers,The Saints and The Damned (to name but a few) and IMHO they shat (from a very great height)on anything that what was coming out of dance clubs or recording studios on the west coast of America.
I was a teenager then and I thought then as I still think today
THE SEVENTIES SUCKED
Bands such as those I've mentioned above made it slightly more tolerable for me.
I'd be curious to know what albums you've got from 1975-1976 that are that good ;)
mattyc2422
5 Nov 2002, 12:47
Originally posted by PrideofSA
Also for all ppl that say that Pearl Jam is overrated.
What about bands such as Creed, Lifehouse, etc, etc, that tried to sound exactly like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam. He was had that voice first, so u must think that those bands are also overrated!
Lifehouse and The Calling are 2 of the most over hyped bands I've ever heard. They are downright woeful. I can't believe how much airtime MMM gives them, as they sound the same in every damn song anyway.
SydneyBomber
5 Nov 2002, 13:27
Originally posted by PrideofSA
Also for all ppl that say that Pearl Jam is overrated.
What about bands such as Creed, Lifehouse, etc, etc, that tried to sound exactly like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam.
Don't worry - they suck too.
However they don't seem to be hailed as the saviours of music like clowns like Vedder and co.
He was had that voice first....
hahaha - truly ignorant.
Don't believe the hype!
:o
Docker_Brat
5 Nov 2002, 14:02
Originally posted by PrideofSA
Also for all ppl that say that Pearl Jam is overrated.
What about bands such as Creed, Lifehouse, etc, etc, that tried to sound exactly like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam. He was had that voice first, so u must think that those bands are also overrated!
Overrated? Creed and their clones aren't even rated IMO.
Dogwatcher
5 Nov 2002, 14:25
The Wiggles - damn them!
Originally posted by PrideofSA
The Any ARIA winner is a pretty sad statement, meaning that no matter how good they are but if they win an ARIA, they are crap?
what the? Its more that by the time a band has gotten into a position to win an ARIA, they've pimped their arse to so many media organizations and had so much airplay for their one OK song (Killing Heidi, this means you) that they've become wildly overrated, and thus eligible to win the ARIAs.
Sinkers_9
5 Nov 2002, 16:02
Originally posted by jod23
Incubus - one good song (Drive) does not make a good band. They could do us all a favour and go away.
Please, Oh Please get a clue
They will not go away, they are getting better and better with each album. One Song?? Are You In?, Nice To Know You and I Wish You Were Here all did pretty well around the world.
Learn more about something before you make anymore crazy comments about it (ie Soccer and Incubus)
Originally posted by Leaping Lindner
THE SEVENTIES SUCKED
Smashing Pumpkins - my favourite 70's band.
You can't knock incubus. Thye've made such a seamless transition from alternative to pop, some poeple haven't even noticed.
Sinkers_9
5 Nov 2002, 16:41
Originally posted by Squeak
You can't knock incubus. Thye've made such a seamless transition from alternative to pop, some poeple haven't even noticed.
Yeah they are real pop :rolleyes:
Docker_Brat
5 Nov 2002, 16:49
Killing Heidi are crap but I think that went without saying.
Originally posted by Sinkers_9
Yeah they are real pop :rolleyes:
Maybe not but a lot closer than on S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
Suprised only a few people have mentioned Oasis.
Here's mine. These aren't necessarily **** bands btw.
Nirvana - Were good. But hardly 'revolutionary'. If kurt hadn't popped himself he would have spent years in rehab anyway.
The Vines - Not only over rated. They are just plain shyte.
Queen - I ****en hate all of their stuff. It's all ****.
Abba - Another crap lot of Karaokee shyte.
Dire Straights - Truley terible. Valium on vinyl. That moving refrigorators song, so ****ing mundane. That guitarist is meant to be good though.
Blink 182 - Possibly 1 decent song.
Any 'Nu - Metal' band.
Beach Boys - How many songs about surfing can you do? For ****sake.
Cold Chisel - Does anybody rate them? Glorified pub rock bogan group. Khe Sanh would have to be the worst song ever in oz music history.
Avril Lavagne - Wow, complicated 3 chords. Nice minge though.
Alanis Morrisette - Reverse of Avril, her songs contain more than 3 chords, but most is made up of man hating lyrics regardless. All shyte.
I believe some people over-rate The Beatles, to an extent.
Docker_Brat
6 Nov 2002, 03:57
Originally posted by M29
Cold Chisel - Does anybody rate them? Glorified pub rock bogan group. Khe Sanh would have to be the worst song ever in oz music history.
*applaudes*
Why people worship Cold Chisel is beyond me. The most overrated band in Aus music history.
Originally posted by PrideofSA
no 1 good radio song u mean!
Drive is like none of their other stuff at all!
Thier older stuff is really a lot heavier, funkier and definitely is alternative. They have their own style going there. If u only jugde them of what u hear on the radio, then u cannot say that they have 1 good song!
Ive heard more of there stuff and they still only have 1 good song.
Originally posted by Sinkers_9
Please, Oh Please get a clue
They will not go away, they are getting better and better with each album. One Song?? Are You In?, Nice To Know You and I Wish You Were Here all did pretty well around the world.
Learn more about something before you make anymore crazy comments about it (ie Soccer and Incubus)
Your an idiot. Just because a few of there songs did well doesnt mean there actually a good band. Bardot sold tonnes of records. They were shyte.
Originally posted by Stocka
I believe some people over-rate The Beatles, to an extent.
:eek: :confused:
Santos L Helper
6 Nov 2002, 06:03
Originally posted by Shinboners
The Doors. Jimbo dying was the best thing he did for the world of music, although whilst we were spared any more of his crappy lyrics, it also meant that the cult of personality that death puts on an artist (using the term "artist" in the loosest possibly sense when referring to Jimbo) means that his music is undeservedly remembered for far longer that it really should have been.
Spot on old chap. I haven't read the whole thread (surprise ;)) so here's some home truths for ya's.
The Vines..................crap!
The Strokes..............boring!
Bad Religion.............took punk to new comercial lows
Incubus....................plain old crap hype
Silverchair................Hopeless crap, and please eat something you little waste of space.
RHCP........................boring as all hell. especially live.
Live...........................pass me the bucket
Pearl Jam..................as that PofSA tosser said, "Eddie had that voice first" and it is as annoying as all hell.
AlfAndrews
6 Nov 2002, 06:50
Originally posted by M29
... Abba - Another crap lot of Karaokee shyte.
Huh?
I can assure you that Abba were genuine musicians.
I loathed them at the time but their music has stood the test of time like few others in the Pop genre. They made brilliant mass consumption music.
I've seen a couple of TV specials on them recently and they were stunning, not just in the way they crafted their songs, but also in the dynamics of their live performances.
I would kill to be able to able to say I'd written some of their songs.
AlfAndrews
6 Nov 2002, 07:26
Originally posted by M29
... Cold Chisel - Does anybody rate them? Glorified pub rock bogan group. Khe Sanh would have to be the worst song ever in oz music history ...
Yes and no.
I wouldn't call Don Walker a bogan. Barnes, yes ... but Walker, no way.
Rather than saying they were a "glorified" pub rock band, I'd say they were the "definitive" pub rock band.
And, all right ... a lot of their fans would come into that social grouping that we call "bogan". Back then we called them "westies".
There's nothing wrong with the song, "Khe Sanh". It's the legions of bad karaoke singers who've done it to death in the 25 years since it was written that have given the song its undeserved reputation.
It is probably the recurring line about the "last plane out of Sydney" that makes the song so popular. I mean ... Sydney? ... Why not L.A. ... or Noo York ... or something? People love it because it mentions a place they live in ... or have at least visited ... and is not just some mythological city that only exists in movies or rock 'n' roll cliches. So, drunk bogans in karaoke bars 25 years later still haven't got over the novelty that it's OK to be Australian.
Walker seemed obsessed with the Vietnam vet figure ... and many of his songs tapped into his psyche. He was certainly a lot more convincing than John Schuman's more overtly politicised veteran in "I Was Only Nineteen".
Cold Chisel was a pub rock band ... sure ... but they were a truly great exponent of the genre. Jim Barnes had a great voice for Don Walker's songs. And Moss was the perfect guitarist for that style.
I wouldn't give you tuppence for anything that Barnes has done since Cold Chisel split up, but he was the right man for the job in that band. It's a pity he rapidly became a parody of himself afterwards. Without Walker's songs, Barnes is nothing.
I only ever saw Cold Chisel once ... at The Arkaba in Adelaide in 1980. Jimmie Barnes chain-smoked and drank straight spirits from a bottle. It was an absolutely wild performance. He was truly a man possessed. I couldn't believe that a person could be that crazy and not sing a bad note or a wrong lyric all night. It was sweaty. It was ugly. And it was THEN.
But those songs still stand up. Don Walker is a genius.
Great post Alf
Anyway on with the bagging!!
Overrated
Taxiride
Vanessa Amarossi
Motorace
New Metal
Boy bands
Michael Jackson
Red Hot Chilli Pepers
Nickelback
Creed
all triple M shyte
The whole rumba tour
PrideofSA
6 Nov 2002, 09:24
It just occured to me that no matter how good something is, there will always be people that don't like and appreciate it.
Also no matter how bad something is there always people that will like it and appreciate it.
And that counts for everything in human existance.