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How do people rate this guy and how do they see his potential panning out?
Last time the Africans toured that Crazy Q guy warned us about him and Steyn and they've both shown something in Australia.
Some are comparing him to Lara. Others are saying he was always incredibly special and one ex-SA player said he is the most special young talent he's ever seen coming through their system. He's a very good fieldsman as well as being promising with the bat and he can spin the ball, more than the other SA spinners, which probably isn't saying much.
Will he live up to expectations?
Have also been impressed with Amla. Some of the commentators think he's the best off-side player who's come to this country in years.
delirious1
15 Jan 2009, 11:48
South Africa's future is bright with De Villiers/Duminy/Amla who still have at least 10 years in them
signhimup
15 Jan 2009, 13:33
He is the most promising young player I can remember seeing. He has just looked to me like another little master they don’t look like getting him out at any stage. It will be interesting in a couple of years to see where he is at and if he has a weakness because at this stage it doesn’t appear so he has come out under pressure and piled on the runs he has batted for a long periods of time when needed and so far in the 2 twenty20 games he has come out and shown he can play just about every shot in the book and a few that aren’t whilst scoring at a good rate.
lion4life
15 Jan 2009, 13:35
He is a gun. Hes only 24 and will keep improving. Hes shown excellent experience under pressure with the ability to score runs quickly or the ability to bat with the tail. Calm and collected.
eth-dog
15 Jan 2009, 13:45
Amla
McKenzie/Smith*
De Villiers
Kallis
Prince
Duminy
Boucher
Batters for next tour
*Pending Injury
Tyberious Funk
15 Jan 2009, 14:54
The way he struts, he reminds me a little bit of Keith Arthurton. Easy to forget that Arthurton was also a prodigiously talent youngster, who could also bowl pretty handy offspinners and was a lightning fieldsman.
I suspect Duminy will ultimately prove he deserve to strut a bit, unlike Arthurton who crashed and burned.
Carl Spackler
15 Jan 2009, 19:03
We will be well and truly sick of bowling at him by the end of his career.
Simple technique. Outstanding combination of concentration, toughness and flair. Sound against pace and spin.
We will be well and truly sick of bowling at him by the end of his career.
Simple technique. Outstanding combination of concentration, toughness and flair. Sound against pace and spin.
Add composure to that list of attributes... which he's displayed in buckets all summer in all forms of the game.
Be interesting to see where he ends up in the order.
didak04
15 Jan 2009, 20:15
Amla
McKenzie/Smith*
De Villiers
Kallis
Prince
Duminy
Boucher
Batters for next tour
*Pending Injury
The reason de Villiers now bats in the middle order is because he shown in his time at the top of the order that he is weak against the new ball. Can't see them moving him to 3. Duminy on the other hand looks to have a fantastic technique and temperament and in my view would be ideally suited to the role should Amla replace McKenzie as an opener.
Smith
Amla
Duminy
Kallis
Prince
de Villiers
Boucher.
Marklar_33
15 Jan 2009, 20:24
Kallis to open :thumbsu:
didak04
15 Jan 2009, 20:28
Kallis to open :thumbsu:
Not a hope considering his bowling workload.
Duminy needs to stay down the order in tests for a while. 5/6 will do for a while. Then see how he is going and whether he'll adapt well to a 3 or 4 position.
DoubleO7
15 Jan 2009, 21:38
Natural middle order batsman, why move him?
happy_eagle
15 Jan 2009, 21:59
He definantly shows Promise
No doubt that Australia is a tough place for other teams to play aswell, so he has done well.
Give him some home matches, then tours of India, West Indies, Pakistan etc.... and if he goes about his business there, then he is worth the hype IMO
Cotchin 9
15 Jan 2009, 22:12
Was reading the Herald Sun today and in the article it said that he was living the good life and had gone a bit off track much like his hero Herschelle Gibbs. And Kirsten gave him a dressing down and said something like "You have more talent in your little finger than I have in my whole body." I found it interesting because he comes across as a little shy, but it seems to have worked wonders.
wirra44
15 Jan 2009, 22:16
i rate duminy very highly i think he is a fantastic young player he can bat very well but also he is a great fielder like we saw in the twenty20 match he also is a good part time bowler. i really hope duminy's form continues because he is very exciting to watch, he just looks so confident even in the pressure situations(perth test,in the 90's before his century)
Abba Lonie
16 Jan 2009, 08:14
Sounds crazy but he's just about the form batsman in world cricket at the moment.
Coin_Toss
16 Jan 2009, 09:15
Great player with a big future. It's crazy to think he can dominate with the bat in his first tour of Australia.
bigpapagman
16 Jan 2009, 09:23
I personally think he is Mike hussey-ing it a bit @ the moment. Off to a flyer, but i think he will be brought back the group eventually.
Gun player, will be the best player in all of cricket in a few years :thumbsu:
bigpapagman
16 Jan 2009, 11:20
these are huge wraps on what i believe is just someone who is in form.
He will not be able to sustain this form forever.
I doubt he'll sustain that form but let's not forget he went into test cricket with a first class batting average above fifty and huge wraps. None of his teammates wanted to forfeit their place because they suspected that once he was in the team he'd be impossible to remove. He won't always be this prolific but he clearly has talent and temperament.
My new favourite player. Just a gun. Watched the Perth test and thought he was destined for a big innings soon. Then Melbourne came. Looks to be the goods.
Best batsman i've seen since Greg Chappell.
Santana
16 Jan 2009, 18:28
Ready better than Richards.
The Reaper
16 Jan 2009, 18:33
de villiers is better
Paddy_Mac
16 Jan 2009, 18:46
de villiers is better
Not at the moment he is.
Ready better than Richards.
Barry or Viv?
Funny that the OP mentioned Lara... that's who I liken him too... who was my fav batter btw.
GO the stewarts
17 Jan 2009, 10:10
Is it impossible for Duminy not to get 50 everytime he bats.
He has one in every type of cricket.
This guy is incredible, he used to open for SA due to his lack of weaknesses against quality bowling but it didn't work out. But his new position in the middle order worked out fine. 73 runs without a boundary whilst maintaining a run rate that enabled SA to cruise to victory at one point is quite amazing. One of the most atheletic cricketers in the world, probably just behind Johnson.
He's more athletic than Johnson, quite comfortably.
DoubleO7
17 Jan 2009, 14:46
He's more athletic than Johnson, quite comfortably.
de Villiers > JP, Johnson
de Villiers > JP, Johnson
de Villiers > *
rocker_oz33
17 Jan 2009, 18:20
jp dumimy has been great no just for SA cricket but has been just great to watch.l haven't seen a young batsman from another team have a great tour of Australia since a young jayawardene
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:24
Defintely looks like a star.
In saying that i really do think he is vulnerable to the ball jagging back at him in much the way Gilchrist was.
His backlift does go off gully a bit which means he better get it right in coming down otherwise he is going to be rapped on the pads right in front. Obviously being a left hander it means his going to be vulnerable to the left armers. The right armers coming around to try and get the ball to jag back in is going to be going to far down leg to worry him.
The left armers on the other hand can get closer to the stumps so they are the ones his going to have to worry about.
In saying that he will still be a gun, but i can sense a bowler like Mitchell Johnson being all over this guy. Id like to see our bowlers come around the wicket next time and really target the top of off and trying to bring it back of the seam rather then swing it. Off the seam is a lot harder to play IMO.
Willow_2000
17 Jan 2009, 18:24
Duminy will be the next big thing in cricket.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:25
Also, im still not convinced about his ability to play the short ball. That dismissal in perth was a "**** me, get away from me" shot. His a little guy so maybe a nice little bouncer barrage will be in store for him next time in SA.
Pull shot is probably one of his strengths.
Also, im still not convinced about his ability to play the short ball. That dismissal in perth was a "**** me, get away from me" shot.
I think it was more a '**** it's my first test and I'm coming in at the end of the day with a bowler on fire' shot.
And let's remember he didn't hit it ;)
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:31
Well it didnt look like it in Perth.
Look the guy is a gun, but his only just started his career.
Michael Clarke didnt look like getting out in India in 2004 and then look what happened.
Before everyone starts proclaiming him the next messiah why dont we keep it in perspective.
I think his vulnerable to the ball coming back in to him off the seam, swinging it back in late may do the trick but i have always felt the ball jagging off the seam is harder to play. I really think he could be a LBW candidate but every batsmen has a weakness but this guy looks like a really good player. Luckily for him, there arent too many left arm bowlers in world cricket so he will be here to stay.
DoubleO7
17 Jan 2009, 18:33
I agree with Ltd, he does have a few problems with the short ball.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:34
I think it was more a '**** it's my first test and I'm coming in at the end of the day with a bowler on fire' shot.
And let's remember he didn't hit it ;)
Maybe so, but where there is smoke there is fire. I still think he would be vulnerable to the bouncer followed by the full off cutter combo. Johnson showed this at the SCG, working him back with a series of bouncers and then rapping him in front.
Ball jagging back off the seam does everyone, not just JP.
You cant stop that.
DoubleO7
17 Jan 2009, 18:35
Michael Clarke didnt look like getting out in India in 2004 and then look what happened.
Averaging 50 in test and 40 + in ODI's.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:36
Yeah but i went immediately after that against NZ at home and then NZ away where he really struggled.
Maybe so, but where there is smoke there is fire. I still think he would be vulnerable to the bouncer followed by the full off cutter combo. Johnson showed this at the SCG, working him back with a series of bouncers and then rapping him in front.
...Ponting got bowled once. Does that mean he can't defend his stumps? That bouncer Johnson bowled in Perth was absolutely brilliant that would had had most batsman in trouble.
And he got out LB both times in Sydney from balls that hit the crack so.....
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:44
...Ponting got bowled once. Does that mean he can't defend his stumps? That bouncer Johnson bowled in Perth was absolutely brilliant that would had had most batsman in trouble.
And he got out LB both times in Sydney from balls that hit the crack so.....
FFS. You dont have to throw a tantrum.
The guy is going to be a gun, but i pointed out 2 weaknesses that i really think he has. The short ball and the full ball on off peg coming back in. Yes most batsmen struggle with that one but this guys backlift goes out to gully so therefore he is going to struggle with it more so then others. Obviously his in cracking form so it doesnt really matter, but when the form slump occurs that backlife is going to get him in a bit of trouble and ill be interested to see if bowlers pickup on it and really work him over with the bouncer and then fire it full.
It happened at the SCG in both innings. The second innings he was doing high jump to a normal length delivery and was rapped plumb in front, which tells me he was a little bit jumpy and waiting for the short ball which never came.
Just a few little observations.
Hahaha LtD, you have serious problems dude.
Spike wasnt throwing a tantrum.
FFS. You dont have to throw a tantrum.
Sounds like you're throwing a tantrum tbh.
And you can't really use anything from the Sydney test as a example due to the uniqueness of the pitch (though I do hope we see more of it)
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:48
Hahaha LtD, you have serious problems dude.
Spike wasnt throwing a tantrum.
I dont have problems at all.
I made a valid observation backed up by pretty conclusive evidence.
The guy was doing high jump to a good length delivery which is a sure sign that his a little nervous about an impending bouncer. He was dismissed twice in the same fashion in that match.
Combine that with his shot in the first test at Perth and i think it is reasonable to assume his not the best with the short ball.
That is all, im not saying his a hack im just curtailing this circle jerk over him to just point out that he does have a pretty glaring weakness here.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
17 Jan 2009, 18:50
Sounds like you're throwing a tantrum tbh.
And you can't really use anything from the Sydney test as a example due to the uniqueness of the pitch (though I do hope we see more of it)
Your not serious are you?
First innings he was rapped straight in front in exactly the way i said. Full on off and coming in off Johnson.
In the second innings he was waiting for a short ball but got a good length straight ball that beat him for pace. It didnt help that he did a high jump while playing the shot which is a sure sign the batsmen was waiting for the short ball.
Pretty conclusive evidence here that this guy may struggle with the short ball followed by a full length ball.
But hey, some knowledge of cricket is required here.
He's been South Africa's version of Mike Hussey this summer.
Can rebuild an innings and then go on the attack, really is something special for South Africa.
Your not serious are you?
First innings he was rapped straight in front in exactly the way i said. Full on off and coming in off Johnson.
In the second innings he was waiting for a short ball but got a good length straight ball that beat him for pace. It didnt help that he did a high jump while playing the shot which is a sure sign the batsmen was waiting for the short ball.
Pretty conclusive evidence here that this guy may struggle with the short ball followed by a full length ball.
But hey, some knowledge of cricket is required here.
Sounds like he has more of a problem with left handed bowling than the short bowl really. (Which I know you raised before)