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courtjester
20 Jan 2009, 16:51
I haven't been following England, but I'd be interested to know what their bowling attack will look like.
They were awesome in 05, with Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones and Giles, really attacked as a pack. Quite aggressive and intimidating as a bunch.
Where are all those guys at? I guess Panesar has replaced Giles. Flintoff is still around. Have the other 3 retired?
Have heard a bit about Sidebottom, but dont know much about him. What type of bowler is he?
krisholio14
20 Jan 2009, 16:53
Sidebottom is on the fast side of fast medium with the ability to move the ball both ways.
Well cause the Aussies some headaches over there if fit.
The Reaper
20 Jan 2009, 18:44
Pace attack will most likely be Harmison, Sidebottom, Flintoff and one of Anderson, Plunkett or Broad.
Spinners will be Pansear or Swan. Swan is the more reliable choice imo while Pansear is the potential match winner
wotdoiput
20 Jan 2009, 19:21
Sidebottom the real danger for the Aussies if fit as diablo14 said. Is a goodish pace with the ability to swing it both ways. We have seen how the Aussies can struggle against some good swing bowling.
Anderson has shown some ok signs during the English summer, although I think he is a hack, Broad I think will nearly be a lock and id imagine Harmison will be given first crack and then Flintoff is a given.
On the spin side I would normally say Monty is a Monty. But I htink he has been struggling lately. The games I have watched he is bowling far too quickly, so thats something that needs to be addressed.
Positions may depend on injuries and how they all go on their upcoming tour of the West Indies.
Blue Dimension
20 Jan 2009, 19:25
Sidebottom, Flintoff, Harmison should be the first 3 picked.
A tussle between Anderson and Broad for the 4th pace spot.
Then there's a tussle between Panesar, Swann, and now even Adil Rashid for the spinners spot.
I wouldn't worry too much. Sidebottom is class but he's always injured and has barely played lately. Flintoff is definitely world class at his best, but beyond that the depth is quite shallow.
Anderson is a decent bowler but he often looks mediocre. Broad is a ODI specialist a lot like Bracken, only they persist with him, and he's definitely not test standard. Harmison is mentally and physically fraglie, and is a shadow of the bowler that was so great against us in 2005. Has on days, but a lot more off ones,
And don't get me started on their batting lineup!
Nel Mangle
20 Jan 2009, 22:02
They were awesome in 05, with Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones and Giles, really attacked as a pack. Quite aggressive and intimidating as a bunch.
That attack was guided by Troy cooley.
Losing him was a big loss.
damochandler
20 Jan 2009, 22:15
simon jones will be selected if he keeps bowling for his county side. imo he has to be picked. we all saw what he did in the 05 ashes and he is the best exponnent of reverse swing
DoubleO7
20 Jan 2009, 23:58
Sidebottom
Harmison
Flintoff
Broad
Rashid
Broad has 3 half century's in 13 innings.
legitimatic
21 Jan 2009, 00:16
Sidebottom
Harmison
Flintoff
Broad
Rashid
Broad has 3 half century's in 13 innings.
Relevance to bowling attack?
DoubleO7
21 Jan 2009, 00:26
Relevance to bowling attack?
A bowler that can bat.
Use your imagination.
I wouldn't worry too much. Sidebottom is class but he's always injured and has barely played lately. Flintoff is definitely world class at his best, but beyond that the depth is quite shallow.
Anderson is a decent bowler but he often looks mediocre. Broad is a ODI specialist a lot like Bracken, only they persist with him, and he's definitely not test standard. Harmison is mentally and physically fraglie, and is a shadow of the bowler that was so great against us in 2005. Has on days, but a lot more off ones,
And don't get me started on their batting lineup!
So i should lump on 5-0 Australia then?
Sidebottom if fit is good,
Flintoff should cause some problems
Broad is developing as a test player, he's only 22 so he's a project, there is really noone else worth using as a project in the team right now.
The rest of the seam attack is one of a whole number of players, depends on test/FC form. Harmy and Anderson are obvious. But Tremlett, Mark Davies, Liam Plunkett, Amjad Khan and Saj Mahmood could make the the rest of the seamers.
Swann is probably favourite to be the spinner unless Monty can find his form. Give Rashid one more season before giving him a chance i reckon.
courtjester
21 Jan 2009, 08:16
What happened with Simon Jones? I rated him very very highly in 05. He seemed constantly threatening.
Injuries? Form?
Is he a chance to play?
The Reaper
21 Jan 2009, 09:49
What happened with Simon Jones? I rated him very very highly in 05. He seemed constantly threatening.
Injuries? Form?
Is he a chance to play?
injuries
Got cut by Glamorgan a few years back
Doubt he will ever play tests again, and if he does will never regain the same form
injuries
Got cut by Glamorgan a few years back
Doubt he will ever play tests again, and if he does will never regain the same form
He was allegedly seen playing for Worcestershire last season, i reckon it was a mirage caused by seeing Darren Pattinson play for England.
The Reaper
21 Jan 2009, 09:59
He was allegedly seen playing for Worcestershire last season, i reckon it was a mirage caused by seeing Darren Pattinson play for England.
i was in england for a family holiday when Pattinson got selected
needless to say that my father and I spent the next twenty minutes laughing after reading it in the paper
PS What happened to Hoggard?
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Jan 2009, 11:38
I wouldn't worry too much. Sidebottom is class but he's always injured and has barely played lately. Flintoff is definitely world class at his best, but beyond that the depth is quite shallow.
Anderson is a decent bowler but he often looks mediocre. Broad is a ODI specialist a lot like Bracken, only they persist with him, and he's definitely not test standard. Harmison is mentally and physically fraglie, and is a shadow of the bowler that was so great against us in 2005. Has on days, but a lot more off ones,
And don't get me started on their batting lineup!
What the **** is this myth Harmison was great "against us" in 2005.
Apart from the first day of the series, he was ordinary.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Jan 2009, 11:44
Sidebottom has taken a staggering 41 wickets out of his 76 wickets against a glorified club side in NZ.
Against stronger opposition his returns have diminished.
As i said previously, the tale of the Ashes will be told before the series even begins.
Its not a good omen for England that at the start of an Ashes year they lose their captain. I feel our performance in SA and England's performance in the West Indies will give a clearer indication of each teams ability.
thegreenmachine
23 Jan 2009, 16:00
i was in england for a family holiday when Pattinson got selected
needless to say that my father and I spent the next twenty minutes laughing after reading it in the paper
PS What happened to Hoggard?
The last I heard his form waned badly and was dropped, unless someone else can tell me otherwise, because you would have thought 2 years ago when he was in Australia that he would be one of the first, if not, the first picked bowler for the mother country.:confused:
Harmison is far from a certainty to be picked and has been in and out for god knows how long. How long will England persist with him? Is it because of a lack of depth in their bowling department? Or a false hope that he will help skyrocket them to greater pastures in test cricket? Always been prone to homesickness and despite the matchwinning potential has always been inconsistent and even too hyped up by the England media IMO (but that's not new for the English press to hype up their sportsmen is it?):rolleyes:
I predict that the bowling lineup will look something like this for Ashes 2009 for England:
Flintoff
Broad
Sidebottom
Anderson
Panesar/Swann
Any dark horses/up and comers or other recent names like Pattinson, Mahmood or Jones in contention?