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Heres the Aussie A side to beat England this week in Tassie
Maher [Captain] -QLD
Blewett [V.C]-SA
S.Clark-NSW
M.Clarke-NSW
Elliott-VIC
Haddin-NSW
Hauritz-QLD
Love-QLD
Noffke-QLD
M.North-WA
Williams-WA
Damn. I was hoping Blewett would miss out. Oh well at least NSW got three picked, they'll be more weakened than SA for this weekends shield match, I thought they might pick Lee as well, I guess they still consider him to be part of the Test squad.
Does anyone else think it stupid that this match clashes with a round of Sheffield Shield. If you were a player would you rather be playing Shield cricket or a pointless warm-up match?
Arch#11
11 Nov 2002, 10:50
Have to agree with Dave there.
Pretty pointless having it at the same time as a round of sheild games but it's still a good chance for selectors to have a look at a batsmen facing an international attack and see who may take over when S.Waugh's career comes to an end (hopefully sooner rather that later)
1. shouldn't be on during a round of shield games.
2. a lot of players in there who sohuldn't be there. Shoulda had Hussey there instead of Elliot. I dont think Marcus North shouldn't be there just yet. Hodge should be in his spot.
3. Clingeleffer for Haddin.
4. Rofe for one of Clark, Williams or Noffke. Those 3 are all of pretty similar standards so i'm not sure which one shouldn't be there, but Rofe is the best of those 4 so he should be there.
But overall not a bad team but a few suprise selections.
bunsen burner
11 Nov 2002, 11:01
Originally posted by DaveW
Damn. I was hoping Blewett would miss out. Oh well at least NSW got three picked, they'll be more weakened than SA for this weekends shield match, I thought they might pick Lee as well, I guess they still consider him to be part of the Test squad.
Does anyone else think it stupid that this match clashes with a round of Sheffield Shield. If you were a player would you rather be playing Shield cricket or a pointless warm-up match? I would have thought Sheffield Shield was more pointless. The Sheffield Shield is just a feeder comp for the Australian team. I'm sure these players are more interested to show the selectors what they can do against an alleged international team, rather than playing state cricket which they have all year to show the selectors their wares.
I know the players themselves are quite passionate about the Shield/Cup, but the only interest I have is monitoring the progress of fringe players and up-and-comings rather than the winner.
The Shield is extremely lop-sided. One side may have to play NSW when there is no Test match, so the line up includes the Waughs, McGrath, Lee, and whoever else, while another team might play them when all these players are on internatioonal duty. Not to mention that NSW has the heart ripped out of their team because they have the best players.
One other reason why it is lop sided is rain. A team may play the top team over 4 days of dry weather and lose outright, and then when it plays the bottom team, it could be rained out and they get a no-result.
I like the Pura Cup, but I'm just not so passionate about who wins it.
bunsen burner
11 Nov 2002, 11:16
Originally posted by hourn
1. shouldn't be on during a round of shield games.
I think it is the other way around. The Shield games shouldn't be on during this match. International cricket is the priority. They set the summer Test and ODI fixture first and then must set the Pura Cup matches around it (if need be). It would be unfair to say to the Poms, 'Sorry, we're not going to give you that practice match because our domestic comp is more important'.
2. a lot of players in there who sohuldn't be there. Shoulda had Hussey there instead of Elliot. I dont think Marcus North shouldn't be there just yet. Hodge should be in his spot.I'm not sure why they left Hussey out. Very surprised.
3. Clingeleffer for Haddin.This surprises me as well. I can't see Haddin (due to age and ability) having a long term career for Australia. Clingeleffer is more of a chance and a better prospect.
4. Rofe for one of Clark, Williams or Noffke. Those 3 are all of pretty similar standards so i'm not sure which one shouldn't be there, but Rofe is the best of those 4 so he should be there.Once again I am surprised, but those 3 bowlers look pretty good.
But overall not a bad team but a few suprise selections. They're probably thinking they want to mix youth with experience. I would have prefered Elliott and Haddin out, and Hussey and Clingeleffer in.
This will be an interesting match. If the Poms lose, their confidence will be shot (it is isn't already). I would imagine Hauritz got the nod over MacGill because of his age.
SeinDude
11 Nov 2002, 11:23
JUBJUB,
We could bring back the likes of Terry Jenner, Ross Edwards, Keith Stackpole, Bob Massie and Max Walker and we'd still beat England. :D
SeinDude
bluechampion
11 Nov 2002, 11:29
Where the heck is Shane Watson?
Is he an up and coming Australian player or not?
I know he isn't in great form, but surely some extra exposure to an international side would be vital for Australia's up-and-coming project all-rounder. Especially with the World Cup to consider.
And speaking of Victorian openers, Arnberger deserved the spot ahead of Elliott. He wasn't dismissed against Tassie (back to back tons), and made a fighting 42 in the Victorian second innings agianst Qld to help the Vics to outright points.
Agree on Aus A for the most part... but Paul Rofe should be in the side, instead of Stuart Clark. Brad Haddin should certainly not be keeping, and Matthew Elliot is gone, why pick him?
roostersgal4eva
11 Nov 2002, 12:48
Originally posted by Guey_34
Agree on Aus A for the most part... but Paul Rofe should be in the side, instead of Stuart Clark. Brad Haddin should certainly not be keeping, and Matthew Elliot is gone, why pick him?
rofe, klingleffer (sp?) & watson should be there
The Ewok
11 Nov 2002, 12:59
Only 3 NSW players, what are the selectors thinking?
Michael Clarke the latest NSW lovechild with his impressive first class average of 37 must be a monty for a test cap very soon :rolleyes:
Originally posted by bluechampion
Where the heck is Shane Watson?
Is he an up and coming Australian player or not?
I know he isn't in great form, but surely some extra exposure to an international side would be vital for Australia's up-and-coming project all-rounder. Especially with the World Cup to consider.
My sentiments exactly. If they're branding him as the best up-and-coming all rounder then the least they can do is give him a bloody run.
Word has it that Tasmania will provide the 12th man. No prizes for guessing who that will be.
I'm suprised they didn't pick Katich & give him the captaincy.I thought he'd be a certainty now he plays for NSW.
cjwalkley
11 Nov 2002, 15:00
I thought Cameron White was pretty stiff, bowled a lot better than Hauritz in the Shield game. Hauritz is more a one day option, and White will take over from Warne in the test matches. The side I would have picked....
Maher (C)
Hussey
North
Love
Clarke
Watson
White (VC)
Clingleffer
Noffke
Williams
S.Clark
(Inness would have replaced S.Clark if available.)
roostersgal4eva
11 Nov 2002, 15:03
Originally posted by cjwalkley
Maher (C)
Hussey
North
Love
Clarke
Watson
White (VC)
Clingleffer
Noffke
Williams
S.Clark
kinda agree athough rofe would be there
my team is as follows
Maher (C)
Hussey
North
Love
Clarke
Watson
White (VC)
Clingleffer
Noffke
Williams
Rofe
bunsen burner
11 Nov 2002, 16:09
I would go a similar team, but White as vice-captain? I never heard of him so I just looked him up and he has played 45 state games for a bowling average of 39.47.
Hauritz has played 44 matches for an average of 28.00.
I'm not sold on White yet, so I would replace White with Hauritz:
Maher (C)
Hussey (VC)
North
Love
Clarke
Watson
Hauritz
Clingleffer
Noffke
Williams
Rofe
Originally posted by cjwalkley
I thought Cameron White was pretty stiff, bowled a lot better than Hauritz in the Shield game. Hauritz is more a one day option, and White will take over from Warne in the test matches.
You know the answer to that. White's from Victoria.
End of story.
We should be thankful we got Matty Elliott in the side.
How did that pie thrower Stuart Clark from NSW get in? Oops, just realised I answered my own question. :rolleyes:
rfctigerarmy
11 Nov 2002, 16:54
Originally posted by roostersgal4eva
kinda agree athough rofe would be there
my team is as follows
Maher (C)
Hussey
North
Love
Clarke
Watson
White (VC)
Clingleffer
Noffke
Williams
Rofe
Thats a much better side. I dont think the Aus A team is much.. look who we are playing against though :D
GoEagles
11 Nov 2002, 17:22
I'm glad Marcus North got a call-up for the A side. Probably dont hear much about him over East, but he's come on leaps and bounds over the last 12 months and has started the season off well for WA.
The Ewok
11 Nov 2002, 17:44
Originally posted by bunsen burner
I would go a similar team, but White as vice-captain? I never heard of him so I just looked him up and he has played 45 state games for a bowling average of 39.47.
White is only 18/19 and Australian U/19 captain, no way he would of played 45 state games, doubt he would of played a dozen games total
And going on 2002/03 stats he has 10 wickets in the season @27.40 so far which is 2nd only behind McGill who has 11
bunsen burner
11 Nov 2002, 18:09
Quote from http://www-aus.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/AUS/H/HAURITZ_NM_02010122/
An emerging player with huge potential, Cameron White is an exciting young all-rounder from country Victoria. He shows great skill as a leg break bowler for one so young; he is not an especially big turner of the ball but is accurate, bowls at an effectively brisk pace for a spinner, and attains a good degree of bounce from most pitches. From a short run-up - which immediately evokes a number of comparisons with Shane Warne's distinctive approach to the crease - he also flights the ball well and shows signs of developing a well-disguised top-spinner and googly. He is additionally a clean-hitting batsman who is particularly strong off his pads and who times the ball well when driving down the ground. White was raised in Bairnsdale but didn't let the handicap of a near-300 kilometre separation from the headquarters of Victorian cricket diminish his progress; he reached first grade level as a 16-year-old and has continued to make impressive strides ever since. He has also been a member of state and national underage teams for a number of years and, courtesy of a series of accomplished performances, was a key contributor to the fortunes of the side which reached the Final of the Australian Under-19 Championships in Hobart in 2000-01. The then 17-year-old created an even more favourable impression with his poise and maturity upon being elevated into Victoria's senior squad for the closing matches of its Pura Cup campaign later the same season, numbering the prized scalp of Michael Bevan among four first innings wickets on his debut against New South Wales. Further plaudits arrived a year later when he was Australia's captain through an undefeated campaign at the Under-19 World Cup in New Zealand. (John Polack, June 2002)
Ok, he has been elevated in my opinion, but still not sure whether he deserves a spot ahead of Hauritz (would be happy either way), and to be quite frank, to suggest he should be VC is laughable. At 19, he should be learning from the other guys - not the other way around.
White shouldn't be compared to Hauritz. From what I've heard he's a batting all-rounder, certainly his batting/bowling form in the under 19 world cup suggested his batting is his stronger asset. He's yet to really show that for Victoria however, one ninety, one fifty and a lot of low scores so far. On that basis his form (batting and bowling) isn't good enough to warrant Australia A selection. And its a nonsense to suggest he should be the vice captain.
Unwritten_Law
11 Nov 2002, 19:57
Originally posted by Badger
Word has it that Tasmania will provide the 12th man. No prizes for guessing who that will be.
The 12th man is some Williams bloke.
Never heard of him but the news report said he had made back to back tons in developement games :p
Why pick Blewett & Elliott again ? Pick someone who hasn't had many chances inthe A side.Maybe chuck in someone out of the blue like Brendan Nash or Lee Carseldine from QLD or Rummans [vic].
Whats happened to Mark Higgs . I thought he was the new whiz kid for the Aussies.Could it be that his move from NSW has ended his career in the baggy green ?
wagstaff
11 Nov 2002, 21:51
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Heres the Aussie A side to beat England this week in Tassie
Haddin-NSW
Shouldn't the 12th man be an expert long stop?
wagstaff
11 Nov 2002, 21:58
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Why pick Blewett & Elliott again ? Pick someone who hasn't had many chances inthe A side.Maybe chuck in someone out of the blue like Brendan Nash or Lee Carseldine from QLD or Rummans [vic].
Whats happened to Mark Higgs . I thought he was the new whiz kid for the Aussies.Could it be that his move from NSW has ended his career in the baggy green ?
Couldn't agree more on Elliott and Blewett, they're yesterday's men and especially in Blewett's case, have had more then enough chances to prove themselves at Test level.
As for Mark Higgs, it's always good to trot out the NSW conspiracy but I don't think he's been setting the world on fire for the Redbacks this season.
cjwalkley
12 Nov 2002, 08:26
Originally posted by DaveW
White shouldn't be compared to Hauritz. From what I've heard he's a batting all-rounder, certainly his batting/bowling form in the under 19 world cup suggested his batting is his stronger asset. He's yet to really show that for Victoria however, one ninety, one fifty and a lot of low scores so far. On that basis his form (batting and bowling) isn't good enough to warrant Australia A selection. And its a nonsense to suggest he should be the vice captain.
The reasoning behing placing White as VC is to continue nurturing his leadership side. Another possibility would have been Watson. I believe these games should be comprised of 5 or 6 players who are next in line and 5 or 6 who are 2/3 years away.
Keep the production line moving. White is definitely a class leggie, who can also bat extremely well. His 32n.o. on that MCG wicket was probably a ton at the Adelaide Oval or Border Field, but his bowling has come on in leaps and bounds. Hauritz is a handy offie who struggles with the bat, more suited to one dayers.
Originally posted by wagstaff
Couldn't agree more on Elliott and Blewett, they're yesterday's men and especially in Blewett's case, have had more then enough chances to prove themselves at Test level.
David Hookes has come out suggesting Elliott,Maher & Blewett shouldn't have been selected & young players should've been.
As i posted in another therad, this woulda been my team:
Maher (c)
Hussey
Love
Hodge
Clarke
Watson
Clingeleffer
Hauritz
Noffke
Williams
Rofe
I dont think Marcus North should be there yet. I've seen him bat abit and he looks pretty good and will most likely get a test chance at some stage within the next half a decade.
White is no were near Aus A yet IMO, although apart from him Harutiz and McGill (whos test career is over) there isn't anything else really. Maybe Shannon Tubb?? never seen him bowl but i've heard he's pretty good.
How come no one has mentioned anything about Brad Hodge getting in the team?? i thought he woulda been one of the first picked in the middle order. IMO if you picked up the next 3 best middle order batsmen behind the Australia four, Hodge, Clarke and Love stick out like dogs balls. Katich has dropped of abit IMO and North is still abit behind.
bluechampion
12 Nov 2002, 13:16
Hodge hasn't had a great start to the season... but then neither has Elliott!
This is not a side picked on form, it is a side drawn from a hat!
Where's the logic?
Where?
Originally posted by hourn
How come no one has mentioned anything about Brad Hodge getting in the team?? i thought he woulda been one of the first picked in the middle order.
Because he is from Victoria and quite simply, our players never get a look in. (Elliott is the exception, and a rare one at that) I wonder why Graeme Rummans came down here, surely that is just throwing your chance of a spot in the Australian side away, by going from NSW to Victoria.
Originally posted by bluechampion
Where's the logic?
Where?
Since when has an Australian side ever been logically picked?
bunsen burner
12 Nov 2002, 15:43
Originally posted by Catman
Since when has an Australian side ever been logically picked?
The selectors have done a pretty good job over the last 10-15 years IMO. I can only recall 2 decisions that I haven't agreed with:
1) Recalling Warne back from injury on a WIs tour a few years ago. I was sure at the time that they should have left MacGill in for a couple more tests.
2) Not dropping Mark Waugh about 2 years ago. Can't remember exactly when it was, but he was under major pressure, then had a good series. I thought he should have been dropped then.
Originally posted by bunsen burner
The selectors have done a pretty good job over the last 10-15 years IMO. I can only recall 2 decisions that I haven't agreed with:
1) Recalling Warne back from injury on a WIs tour a few years ago. I was sure at the time that they should have left MacGill in for a couple more tests.
2) Not dropping Mark Waugh about 2 years ago. Can't remember exactly when it was, but he was under major pressure, then had a good series. I thought he should have been dropped then.
Just off the top of my head I'd add a couple more:
Selecting Bevan as a spin bowler against South Africa in 1997/98 when there were much better spinners to choose from (MacGill for instance)
Selecting Gavin Robertson for the 1998 tour of India, again there were better spinners, the guy had hardly played much for NSW at the time
wagstaff
12 Nov 2002, 16:09
Originally posted by DaveW
Just off the top of my head I'd add a couple more:
Selecting Bevan as a spin bowler against South Africa in 1997/98 when there were much better spinners to choose from (MacGill for instance)
Selecting Gavin Robertson for the 1998 tour of India, again there were better spinners, the guy had hardly played much for NSW at the time
The Bevan one was arguably an error, although thanks to the dominance of Warne and the timidity of the South Africans it didn't matter much in the end.
I would agree that picking Robertson for the 1998 tour of India and playing him ahead of MacGill in every Test match was a mistake. It was unfortunate in a way that he just did well enough to get picked for the 1998 tour of Pakistan as he again tried hard but wasn't out of his depth.
However, it is true that the selectors have done a pretty good job over the last 10-15 years. At Test level, I think their most recent error was not picking Damien Fleming for the final Test of the Ashes series in 2001 over Brett Lee. It would've done both players a deal of good in the long run.
NICK THE PIE MAN
12 Nov 2002, 17:33
Originally posted by SeinDude
JUBJUB,
We could bring back the likes of Terry Jenner, Ross Edwards, Keith Stackpole, Bob Massie and Max Walker and we'd still beat England. :D
SeinDude
What about good old Dirk? :D
The 'A' side should be picked on the best 2nd XI in Australia, not specifically young players.
My 'A' side would be:
M.Elliott
M.Hussey
J.Maher
S.Katich
M.Bevan
G.Blewett
W.Seccombe
S.MacGill
B.Lee/A.Bichel
N.Bracken
B.Williams
M.Love (12th Man)
Tony_Clifton
12 Nov 2002, 23:18
Zombie have you ever seen michael clarke bat. I am from WA and have only seen this kid play on TV once but just from that one viewing I could tell this kid is a jet. a gun. cavalier. brash arrogant upstart. get him in the australian team as soon as possible. It is like with some kids in school get progressed a level because they are extra smart well Clarke is the goods. Pakistan has seen some 16 year olds do amazing things.
Lehmann should give up his darth vader impersonation w/ or without the helmut and resign to his role as the eternal grandfather of austalian domestic cricket. Damien Martyn and Langer shoud consider themselves lucky to be in the teram considering people like Blewett, Elliot and Cox keep scoring runs.
Damien Martyn used to be my favourite player when he started his career with WA. He played cameo innings. Smashed runs. Remember AUstralia A when hew smashed a 50 off 30 something balls and then was given out to a dodgy lbw decision vfrom shan warne.
wagstaff
12 Nov 2002, 23:55
Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN
What about good old Dirk? :D
Now you're just being silly.