View Full Version : The "Get Warner OUT of the 50 side" thread
Mr. Blonde
2 Feb 2009, 19:26
Seriously.....has the novelty not worn off yet? He's turned out to be a one-trick-pony and everyone seems to have worked out his one trick.
It's time to get someone into the Australian side who is actually deserving of a game.:mad:
Cooldude
2 Feb 2009, 19:39
Seriously, has anyone being as hyped up as this dude after only one T20 innings?
He's failed everytime apart from one innings. Contributed nothing to a failing batting lineup and has shown that he's nothing more than a slogger with a pretty limited cricket stroke range.
Duminy is one of the most exciting prospects the cricket world has seen for ages and he doesn't get a tenth of what Warner's getting in the media. It's just pretty ridiculous
Bananayard
2 Feb 2009, 19:43
Warner sucks. Theres a reason he hasnt been selected for a first class match for NSW
Mr. Blonde
2 Feb 2009, 19:48
worst thread ever
why?
His nothing more than a dirty slapper, get him and get someone in who values their wicket.
lol so what happened to him being the wonder boy that he is. I thought Australia had discovered the next Tendulkar the way some people on these boards and in the media were talking.
ROO BOY IN W.A
2 Feb 2009, 20:35
Give the kid some time.I think he is doing ok he is hitting the ball well just needs some luck.I would keep him in the side.
why?
what do you mean why? he has played what 5 games? has looked good in all but one. I can't see why the youngest player cops the shit for something that the whole team is suffering from?
His nothing more than a dirty slapper, get him and get someone in who values their wicket.
thats bullshit, the 1st game in Perth he was the ONLY player to value his innings it was a very unlucky dismissal.
once again he has played bugger all games, give him to the end of this series.
Sylvia Saint
2 Feb 2009, 20:57
Lets have a look at each innings he has played thus far.
1st match: Beaten by a beauty from the best fast bowler in the world. Can afford to cut him some slack?
2nd match: Top scored with a blistering 69 off 60 balls.
3rd match: Soft dismissal.
4th match: Looked like he had a lot more strings to his bow than the critics suggested with a crafty 22 before being dismissed in the most unlucky way possible.
5th match: Soft dismissal on a slow wicket and in a low scoring game.
He averages 52 at ODD level at a strike rate of 117. He is just 22 years of age and will be 24 and in his prime when the next World Cup comes around.
He needs to be persisted with, in my opinion. Sure if he fails in his next 4 innings of the current series than his position would be reviewed, but I can't see too many domestic players knocking loudly on the door. And we have seen with David Hussey that domestic stars don't always become international success stories overnight.
Also, I agree that the hype surrounding his Twenty20 debut is getting to be way OTT. It is not helping his cause.
He averages 52 at ODD level at a strike rate of 117. He is just 22 years of age and will be 24 and in his prime when the next World Cup comes around.
Isn't 24 a bit early to have reached his prime, as a batsman?
Sylvia Saint
2 Feb 2009, 21:17
Isn't 24 a bit early to have reached his prime, as a batsman?
Possibly but that could be due to the fact that you rarely, if ever, see any Aussie batsman debut under the age of 25. :eek:
Duminy and de Villiers are both 24 and arguably two of the best batsmen in the world at present.
Punchy Bassett
2 Feb 2009, 21:40
Possibly but that could be due to the fact that you rarely, if ever, see any Aussie batsman debut under the age of 25. :eek:
Duminy and de Villiers are both 24 and arguably two of the best batsmen in the world at present.
And cause they got picked at a young age and were persisted with S Africa get two players who could easily be ten year players not like the older brigade we seem to be stuck picking. Funny how people say get the young guys in we do and he becomes target number one. Why isn't there a D Hussey thread?
delirious1
2 Feb 2009, 21:43
Leave him in, Ild rather the commentators talk about players in the match, rather then out.
Bartram_Class
2 Feb 2009, 21:47
I think his last two innings have been more promising than any of his first 4/5, starting to lower his eyes and play proper shots, littered with aggression (the pull of Morne a good example). He was all set for a big innings in the 5th ODI against SA and was a bit unfortunate against the Kiwi's when he didn't look like getting out.
Definitely persist.
flight23
2 Feb 2009, 21:47
He averages 52 at ODD level at a strike rate of 117. He is just 22 years of age and will be 24 and in his prime when the next World Cup comes around.
He needs to be persisted with, in my opinion. Sure if he fails in his next 4 innings of the current series than his position would be reviewed, .
Duminy and de Villiers are both 24 and arguably two of the best batsmen in the world at present.
And cause they got picked at a young age and were persisted with S Africa get two players who could easily be ten year players not like the older brigade we seem to be stuck picking. Funny how people say get the young guys in we do and he becomes target number one.
what they said, nice work boys
Adelaide Hawk
3 Feb 2009, 04:13
I don't give a stuff how old he is, he's not up to it. A classic one hit wonder.
hes just not up to it ! got limited shots basicaly a plain over the top slogger, it takes other sides 1 game to work him out, good try australia, but if he carnt get a game for nsw then he cannot or should not get a game for his country
Mr_Smooth
3 Feb 2009, 07:55
warner >>> bigfooty >>> oasis
He averages 52 at ODD level
The point is though he is no longer playing domestic level & is averaging 20.8 in Big Boys cricket.
Experiment Failed.
davey_magik
3 Feb 2009, 08:39
I am prepared to give him some time but I still laugh at those who even considered him as a future Test player.
IMO we shouldn't try and turn him into a guy who values his wicket. Let him go out and slog, sometimes it will come off and we'll be 0/80 after 10 overs, other times it won't and we'll be 1/0 in the first over.
I'm not comparing his ability to Gilly, but a lot of people forget Gilly was a very hit or miss player in ODI.
If you take any his 165* in listA games he only averages 30 which is just not good enough for this level.
@ Reference to Gilly, Gilly could go out there have a slog and get out cheaply because there was solid batting lower in the order. Now there is not with many player out of form, if they all regain their touch then Warner can play the "hit out of get out" role. Warner staying in the team isn't really going to be by what he scores, more whether if the middle order can get it together so Warners role can become viable.
We ought to be asking ourselves what exactly Warner is supposed to be. If he needs to develop, then give him the proper environment in which to do so. He has a great eye, and can really smite a ball, but there are a few areas of his batting that can be easily exploited by a bowler of international standard.
We seem to have treated him as a secret weapon at the top of the order. That works for exactly as long as it takes the opposition to do their homework on him. Which looks to be about now. So leaving him at the top of the order is just putting undue pressure on him to succeed with limited tools.
He'd find it a lot easier in the middle order, where he can cut loose a bit with the older ball. Or back at state level where he can round out his game a bit.
No doubt he's a quality player. He's just not ready for the responsibility he's being given.
Ok Gary!!
3 Feb 2009, 09:41
This thread is so gay, what are all you princesses jealous coz you didnt get selected!!
anyone who says he is a slapper or a slogger doesnt know shit about cricket. He has a very good eye and his timing is the same and if not better than Gillies. I can recall quite a few games that Gilly got out cheaply or threw his wicket away. Warner hasn't thrown his wicket away once, two or three were mis-timed but he hasn't hulled out in the deep or skye rocketed a ball like White and Hopes to almost every game.
Hes a talented opener who will get our side off to a flyer in most games, who gives a shit if fails, thats the job of the other 5 batsmen.
Get a life girls, and get the sand out of your vaginas, coz at 22 he will be here for a while. Plus i just want to add that he is a great fielder and quite a good bowler, as he was earmarked as a future spinner for Australia.
chaddles
3 Feb 2009, 09:58
There are a lot of people posting who obviously have absolutely no idea about cricket, especially those who say he is a 'one trick pony'.
The kid is a gun just starting out his career, and will be persevered with for very good reason - hope he can smash a few around at the G this Friday, can't wait to see him in action :thumbsu::thumbsu:
Jimthegreat
3 Feb 2009, 10:11
22yo rookie, comes in and smashes the best attack in the world around, shows in some ODIs he has a few strings to his bow. Being young he'll be a little inconsistent but certainly looks to have a future in the game. Those that watch the game can see that.
As usual though you have those too who simply like to bag for the sake of it, write off a young up and coming bloke after a few innings, generally have absolutely no idea and obviously don't watch the game properly. Those posters should be simply ignored as they have no value.
Smokey_22
3 Feb 2009, 10:14
Stupid thread. The kid has a big future.
Im with the other posters who say the baggers in here obviously dont know enough about the game.
Cooldude
3 Feb 2009, 12:02
anyone who says he is a slapper or a slogger doesnt know shit about cricket. He has a very good eye and his timing is the same and if not better than Gillies.
Never watched Gilly much, have ya? And you have the nerve to bag others for their lack of knowledge after posting that
Sylvia Saint
3 Feb 2009, 12:27
If you take any his 165* in listA games he only averages 30 which is just not good enough for this level.
That's fair, isn't it. :rolleyes:
Why don't you "take away" his low scores as well while you're at it?
courtjester
3 Feb 2009, 14:18
He should be given til the end of this series.
And he should be told to play the game exactly as he wants to, that means hit it and hit it hard.
If he fails for the rest of this series, he goes back to state cricket and works on his game. He'll be a feature in Australian cricket for 10 years.
Anyone who can crack Ntini and Steyn over midwicket like he did in that 20/20 deserves to be persisted with. If he makes a massive score shortly (and it's possible, and if he does, it'll be very quick) everyone that has posted negatively in here will jump back on the bandwagon.
If he makes a massive score shortly (and it's possible, and if he does, it'll be very quick) everyone that has posted negatively in here will jump back on the bandwagon.
Not Me
courtjester
3 Feb 2009, 14:29
You'll love it if he does.
Id be happier if his next 4 innings were Ducks
Badesumofu
3 Feb 2009, 22:42
If you take any his 165* in listA games he only averages 30 which is just not good enough for this level.
What an utterly bizzare comment. He's only played 10 ODDs. If you exclude the best 10% of anyone's innings their average won't look nearly as good. It would make far more sense to exclude his early ODDs before he really found his feet.
I think the experiment has to continue. He's shown enough to be persisted with. He's a great partner for Marsh, and with the World Cup in 2011, he's worth the development.
Ok Gary!!
4 Feb 2009, 13:00
Never watched Gilly much, have ya? And you have the nerve to bag others for their lack of knowledge after posting that
Well done Sunshine, Gilly himself said that his timing was up there with the best he has ever seen, so if i were you I wouldn't post replies to a subject you know nothing about.
Ok Gary!!
4 Feb 2009, 13:01
Id be happier if his next 4 innings were Ducks
You truly are a flog!!
Cooldude
5 Feb 2009, 01:27
Well done Sunshine, Gilly himself said that his timing was up there with the best he has ever seen, so if i were you I wouldn't post replies to a subject you know nothing about.
I've heard many good judges said Harmison has some of the greatest tools you'd ever wish for in a fast bowler and he'd become one of the greatest for England
Well done Sunshine indeed. Gilly says a lot of things, commentators say a lot of things out of hype, frankly it's ridiculous. If you're just gonna hang on their every word and believe it, then you might as well just listen to the radio and never watch any cricket live or on tv.
Having watched both played, Warner doesn't hold a candle to the way Gilly used to consistently strike the ball in all areas of the field. Gilly was the single cleanest and most well-rounded hitter of the ball I've ever seen. Warner is basically just a leg side swinger, lots of them around in T20 cricket nowadays. If you wanna keep pulling off comments from NSW people pumping their own men, then you might as well start quoting Michael Slater, I'm sure that's credible as well?
DeadlyAkkuret
5 Feb 2009, 05:02
5 games in and the BigFlog verdict is out. Forgive me for having the logic of a normal person and giving the boy more time to really show his worth.
It's pathetic that the people who are critisising those who jumped on his bandwagon after only a few games, are ready to say he's a failure after only a few games.
0/10 for the thought put into this thread:thumbsd:
Drummond
6 Feb 2009, 12:37
Possibly but that could be due to the fact that you rarely, if ever, see any Aussie batsman debut under the age of 25. :eek:
Duminy and de Villiers are both 24 and arguably two of the best batsmen in the world at present.
That's a laugh and a half. :D
I know you're trying to back up your point but seriosuly, I could name 20 better batsmen that de Villiers.
As for this thread I agree, Warner needs to go. When he knows how to hit through the off side get back to me.
Id be happier if his next 4 innings were Ducks
But i'll settle for 2 runs instead
Bombers_Forever
6 Feb 2009, 12:48
And another failure - the one game wonder continues.
Belnakor
6 Feb 2009, 13:00
he needs to just go the heave ho from the first ball.
aussie1st
6 Feb 2009, 13:02
Because of the squad we have Sunday looks to be his last game, I would tell him to just play normal forget what the coaches said to you in the past week.
Mario the Lothario
6 Feb 2009, 13:04
Yep, agree. He can get carried in the 20/20 version but not the 50/50 game.
He is still too immature, back to NSW for a couple of years.
davey_magik
6 Feb 2009, 13:08
This thread is so gay, what are all you princesses jealous coz you didnt get selected!!
anyone who says he is a slapper or a slogger doesnt know shit about cricket. He has a very good eye and his timing is the same and if not better than Gillies. I can recall quite a few games that Gilly got out cheaply or threw his wicket away. Warner hasn't thrown his wicket away once, two or three were mis-timed but he hasn't hulled out in the deep or skye rocketed a ball like White and Hopes to almost every game.
Hes a talented opener who will get our side off to a flyer in most games, who gives a shit if fails, thats the job of the other 5 batsmen.
Get a life girls, and get the sand out of your vaginas, coz at 22 he will be here for a while. Plus i just want to add that he is a great fielder and quite a good bowler, as he was earmarked as a future spinner for Australia.
Man you are stupid.
'He's not a slogger or a slapper'.
ROFLMAO.
'He hasn't thrown his wicket away'.
ROFLMAO.
'Who give a shit if he fails its the job of the other 5 batsmen'.
ROFLMAO
That's a laugh and a half. :D
I know you're trying to back up your point but seriosuly, I could name 20 better batsmen that de Villiers.
As for this thread I agree, Warner needs to go. When he knows how to hit through the off side get back to me.
Alright, name 20 better than AB.
In 6 innings he's made it to double figures twice. The experiment has fail, as it was always going to.
damochandler
6 Feb 2009, 13:23
its time to put him back to the blues now. i have beeny saying it for a week now and its time. he is hit and misss i know. but he isnt working period. he ihas been over hyped at the moment
Thewlis Dish
6 Feb 2009, 13:25
He is out of his depth.
Cousin Jed
6 Feb 2009, 13:28
Overmatched.
his earlier season form definitely warranted his selection initally. but now is the time to send him back for some nsw runs before his confidence is completely destroyed.
Drummond
6 Feb 2009, 13:56
Alright, name 20 better than AB.
In no particular order:
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Katich
Smith
Duminy
Gayle
Tendulkar
Sehwag
Ghambir
Kallis
Sangakkara
Pietersen
Chanderpaul
Khan
Cook
That's 17, maybe squeeze behind this lot.
Sylvia Saint
6 Feb 2009, 13:59
I've been defending him in this thread... and still reckon he'll be around for a long time... but maybe a stint back at state level would be the way to go for Warner. Looks like the self-doubt has crept in and he doesn't know whether to attack, defend or do something in-between.
psychobrown
6 Feb 2009, 14:13
He is the false Messiah. Keeping him in the side will doom Australian cricket. Moreso.
Mario the Lothario
6 Feb 2009, 14:16
I've been defending him in this thread... and still reckon he'll be around for a long time... but maybe a stint back at state level would be the way to go for Warner. Looks like the self-doubt has crept in and he doesn't know whether to attack, defend or do something in-between.
There's nothing to be worried about, the kid hits the ball too well to completely disappear. He is just too raw for this type of the game and he needs a lot more experience at state level before being promoted. He'll be back.
NTRabbit
6 Feb 2009, 14:36
He never should have been selected for the ODI squad in the first place; justified for the T20, but that's all. A slogger who only makes an innings every 3 matches just isn't good enough.
Hopefully they send him back to NSW now to learn his craft.
unstable punt
6 Feb 2009, 14:47
Seriously.....has the novelty not worn off yet? He's turned out to be a one-trick-pony and everyone seems to have worked out his one trick.
It's time to get someone into the Australian side who is actually deserving of a game.:mad:
its a bloody joke he's in the side anyway, l hate to say l told you so but "l told you so". He had about 30 pages written about him in the murdoch rags all from one fluke of an innings. Its pathetic and he should earn his spot like anyone from a non NSW State. Yes its NSW bias again folks:mad:
XFactor1979
6 Feb 2009, 16:35
because he batted for 11 balls today, his innings was long enough for channel 9 to manage to show snippets of what he did in that mickey mouse 2020 against south africa a while back - on the same ground
mad_eagle
6 Feb 2009, 20:09
*sigh* where is M. Hayden when you need him?!?! ;)
richskee
6 Feb 2009, 20:14
yeahhhhh nahhhhh we suck either way. Warner is the least of our problems.
They won't have the balls to drop him, given the next match is at the SCG. The crowd might riot!
Dixie Flatline
6 Feb 2009, 20:51
I have the suspicion that Marsh's injury in the last ODI saved Warner's spot at the top of the innings. He'll play the three remaining games and then the selectors will reconsider.
dan warna
7 Feb 2009, 07:12
yeahhhhh nahhhhh we suck either way. Warner is the least of our problems.
he's not the 'least' of our problems, you have 6 to 7 batsmen and when a couple of them are rubbish, like Warner and haddin, its a significant problem.
Out of form, will be dropped after Sydney hopefully, but WILL be back
[QUOTE=Ok Gary!!;13590517]This thread is so gay, what are all you princesses jealous coz you didnt get selected!!
anyone who says he is a slapper or a slogger doesnt know shit about cricket.
Genuine LOL.
scottywiper
7 Feb 2009, 09:28
S Marsh and D Warner are the answer to a question no one is asking.
yeahhhhh nahhhhh we suck either way. Warner is the least of our problems.
An opener getting out for 2 every match is the least of our problems? Geez...we are royally ****ed arent we!
red+black
7 Feb 2009, 12:53
End the experiment. It was fun while it lasted, but send Warner back to NSW.
Keeping him in is stupidity of the highest order.
damochandler
7 Feb 2009, 17:11
the idiots that pick the team these days will keep him in the side and they will keep white in the side and they will probably drop hopes for some stupid reason as well. thank god ponting is back. im still stuffed if i know why they rested him
red+black
7 Feb 2009, 17:31
thank god ponting is back. im still stuffed if i know why they rested him
He needed a rest assuming that we would have won Game 2 without him.
Selectors have NFI.
Seriously.....has the novelty not worn off yet? He's turned out to be a one-trick-pony and everyone seems to have worked out his one trick.
It's time to get someone into the Australian side who is actually deserving of a game.:mad:
Seriously, has anyone being as hyped up as this dude after only one T20 innings?
He's failed everytime apart from one innings. Contributed nothing to a failing batting lineup and has shown that he's nothing more than a slogger with a pretty limited cricket stroke range.
Duminy is one of the most exciting prospects the cricket world has seen for ages and he doesn't get a tenth of what Warner's getting in the media. It's just pretty ridiculous
Warner sucks. Theres a reason he hasnt been selected for a first class match for NSW
His nothing more than a dirty slapper, get him and get someone in who values their wicket.Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!
Finally people see the big picture. I'm calling it now, it's time to bring in Maxy Klinger! Warner is a brainless thug who whacks the ball around regardless of the situation. I'd rather Katich's 50 off 150 balls to Warner's 2 off 1.
Let him play the last ODI but don't take him to South Africa for the one day series FFS.
EDIT: I just realised there are 3 left. Let him fail in front of his home crowd then drop him for someone good.
red+black
7 Feb 2009, 17:56
Let him play the last ODI but don't take him to South Africa for the one day series FFS.
EDIT: I just realised there are 3 left. Let him fail in front of his home crowd then drop him for someone good.
I disagree. He should be out of the side NOW, not after another failure.
I'm actually hoping we'll lose this series so England get cocky before the Ashes. Frankly I couldn't care less about a 5 match ODI series against New Zealand. We missed Marsh, Ponting, Lee, Symonds, Watson, Siddle, Tait from that last game.
damochandler
7 Feb 2009, 18:04
lee is who we really miss imo. he is the no.1 bloke to throw the ball to with 6 overs to go and you know he will be bowling yorkers nearly straight away. i like warner. but he needs ago for the blues before he gets another start for australia
Yeah as much as I think Lee's test career should be over, he is still a fantastic one day bowler. He and Bracken at the death is what we need.
I disagree. He should be out of the side NOW, not after another failure.
By your command...
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Jimthegreat
8 Feb 2009, 15:11
he's not the 'least' of our problems, you have 6 to 7 batsmen and when a couple of them are rubbish, like Warner and haddin, its a significant problem.
Remind me again how rubbish Haddin is.
It is to laugh.
Warner will ok in time too as he develops. Only 22yo.
The BigFooty experts. hehehe.
Warner will ok in time too as he develops. Only 22yo.
As long as he develops in grade and potentially state cricket.
Not an international cricketer's asshole at the moment. May be able to slog when conditions suit, but he is currently a very limited batsmen.
Warner boned (http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/5308327)
'One Game Wonder' has been boned.Siddle has been added to the OD team.
Mario the Lothario
9 Feb 2009, 07:20
No "boned" about it. He just isn't good enough.
The biggest problem with Australian cricket at the moment is the selectors.
davey_magik
9 Feb 2009, 08:38
In no particular order:
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Katich
Smith
Duminy
Gayle
Tendulkar
Sehwag
Ghambir
Kallis
Sangakkara
Pietersen
Chanderpaul
Khan
Cook
That's 17, maybe squeeze behind this lot.
Ones I have bolded are not better than AB.
Huss has a great record but his Test form over the past 12 months has been awful. Gayle is an inconsistent slogger who has loads of talent but will never fully realise his ability. Cook? The guy hasn't made a ton in a long time.
You do realise along with AB's ton at the WACA he also made a 170 odd in the deciding Test in England and a 200 to set up SA to beat India in India?
No "boned" about it. He just isn't good enough.
The biggest problem with Australian cricket at the moment is the selectors.
Damn straight.
Just hope they haven't destroyed a young cricketers career with a mindless and hasty selection.
Let him break into the NSW side and make some real runs and we'll have a look at him in a few years time.
Still, he can't be too disappointed, what with his IPL and CA contracts.
TheColeTrain
9 Feb 2009, 09:41
Glad they called up Siddle, but I think he may be just what the bowling attack needs ATM