View Full Version : Who will win out of South Africa V Australia?
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
22 Feb 2009, 14:19
Who will win?
Personally, i would love to smash South Africa in this series. I just feel they are starting to get a bit to big for their boots. Some of the media articles i have read have been cringeworthy.
Here is a small selection of quotes.
But the glory days are over. That’s right, buggers, Australians are no longer capable of swearing decently. How else might we explain the clumsily inappropriate flinging of the K-word at Morné Morkel, possibly the whitest man in the world, by some Tasmanian troglodyte?
Just because the Aussies hunted to virtual extinction most of the indigenous black people from whom they stole a country is no excuse.
One would think they’d have enough expat Sefricans around to be educated on the finer points of issuing racial epithets.
Quite how Benaud distinguishes beige jacket No 27 from beige jacket No 412 is among the most enduring mysteries of sport.
Perhaps he likes to think of some of them as cream, others as off-white, and still others as pearl.
But we know beige when we see it. Just like we know when a dynasty has crumbled.
http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Lifestyle/Article.aspx?id=941493
Who can forget Neil Manthorpe on radio saying with a straight face when Warner was run out off a deflection from a straight drive that bowlers often try and deflect back onto the stumps. I mean, what crap.
I think the series will continue to go back and forth between the two, but i'd love to see South Africa smash Australia and cleansweep the series. Australia have well and truly had their time out in the sun, it's time for a new world order in cricket and South Africa are the team to take over Australia's questionable place as #1 test team.
The Reaper
22 Feb 2009, 14:25
Don't see how comments made by some South Africans will make us win
South Africa are the better side at the moment and will be in this series despite how much you would love to smash South Africa
Our bowling attack just seems to lack the potency
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
22 Feb 2009, 14:36
Don't see how comments made by some South Africans will make us win
South Africa are the better side at the moment and will be in this series despite how much you would love to smash South Africa
Our bowling attack just seems to lack the potency
I never said that the comments they made would "make us win". I just said it was evidence of a supporter base that may be getting a bit big for their boots.
Dagless
22 Feb 2009, 15:35
I never said that the comments they made would "make us win". I just said it was evidence of a supporter base that may be getting a bit big for their boots.
As opposed to Australians for the last 15 year? :p
Going for SA, and they should win...
Coin_Toss
22 Feb 2009, 15:52
South Africa will win. They are a strong team full of confidence.
Stuart Clark is a huge loss from a bowling perspective because he did so good on our last tour of South Africa. Mitchell Johnson needs to step up again in his absence.
I reckon the surprise though could be Ben Hilfenhaus. If he gets a baggy green and he may do some damage on their pitches.
South Africa, comfortably.
McGain will have to take a bag for us to be any chance.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
22 Feb 2009, 18:19
At least we all know where we stand.
I go for Australia but I think the Saffers will win.
I reckon 2-0.
I would LOVE to win this series but our bowlers just dont have it in them.
Saying that though in every test here in Australia we were in winning positions so it'll be interesting to see if we can make the most if we get in a possie again.
Would LOVE to win the first test to really put massive pressure on South Africa :thumbsu:
OzBomber
22 Feb 2009, 19:16
Saffers will be far too strong. They're far too strong for us. Both with batting and bowling.
potatomasher
22 Feb 2009, 20:49
I want Australia to win, but I'd bet on South Africa. They're a better side, and having a go at them for arrogance is purely tall poppy syndrome. I thought everyone was jumping on Australia's back too much for their supposed arrogance, but at least in those cases there were little things that could be percieved that way. In my opinion, England in 2005 were arrogant, India generally are arrogant, whereas South Africa have been nothing but humble in their victories, and while I'd love to see them lose, they're playing cricket in the right spirit and deserve all of the rewards they get.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
22 Feb 2009, 21:16
I'm not having a go at the South African side personally, i have nothing against any of the players. Dale Steyn annoys me a bit when he stands in the middle of the pitch screaming when he takes a wicket, so that the veins in his neck are bulging out, but other then that they all seem like decent guys.
Same with the England team.
My issue is with the South African media, have a look at the article above. People harping on about things not even related to cricket. Neil Manthorpe isn't my favourite journo or broadcaster. When Warner got runout in that unlucky fashion at the WACA in the ODI over there, this guy tried to say that some credit should be given to the bowler because sometimes bowlers intentionally though their hand out in such a way to deflect straight drives back onto the stumps. I mean, that to me is just speaking crap.
wotdoiput
22 Feb 2009, 21:44
I hope that Australia win the series but sadly I dont think that we will.
South Africa just look too strong in most departments. Especially with our bowling lineup look so weak. Johnson will have to keep up the form he has shown over the last couple of series. Siddle hopefully well be a greta sidekick for him and hopefully have a break out series like Clark had in South Africa last time. With luck McGain can show he belongs and one of Bollinger/Hilfenhaus have a really good series. Basixcally most of our bowlin lineup will have to drastically imporve on what they have shown at both domestic and international level for us to be a chance. Oh and a series ending injury to a guy like Smith couldnt hurt.
On a postive not I think our batting is in better shape than what it was here. Ponting looks in ok form again, Kaitch is churning out the runs, Huss seems to have found some form in the one dayers, fingers crossed that Pup will be good to go and Hughes could make no runs and still be more valuable to the team than what Hayden was in the series here. Plus I think Hughes will be hungry to try and grasp his chance. YThen either McDonald or North (hopefully North though McDonald has not done anything wrong) can make some runs at 6, and Haddin has been in fine form to. All in all a better showing should be made from the batsman than it was here. Especially if they actually put their heads down.
As for the deflecting the ball onto the stumps. I cant remember the Warner one so I cant comment on that. But I have seen bowlers angle their hand and palms in a way that it is very obvious that they are trying to deflect it onto the stumps. Does it happen all the time? No... but I have seen it happen. But a lot of commentators like to believe the bowler is being crafty even when they are not.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
22 Feb 2009, 21:48
Hussey smoked a straight drive past Morkel i think, it wasnt a misshit, it was a shell. Morkel (i think he was the bowler) stuck out a hand primarily to stop the ball going for 4 and the ball clipped his fingertip and hit the stumps.
In was total fluke.
davey_magik
23 Feb 2009, 07:38
Hussey smoked a straight drive past Morkel i think, it wasnt a misshit, it was a shell. Morkel (i think he was the bowler) stuck out a hand primarily to stop the ball going for 4 and the ball clipped his fingertip and hit the stumps.
In was total fluke.
Dude, you need to get out more if you are fretting about such a minor matter.
We're going to get crushed. Their bowling attack accounted for us easily enough on our roads, on their bowling-friendly pitches we'll get rolled.
South Africa 2-0
Costanza_
23 Feb 2009, 09:12
South Africa comfortably. I'm not expecting us to get thrashed, but with an inexperienced lineup playing in unfamiliar conditions - we just won't have the potency.
SA to win 2-0.
Belnakor
23 Feb 2009, 10:22
We're going to get crushed. Their bowling attack accounted for us easily enough on our roads, on their bowling-friendly pitches we'll get rolled.
Them preparing bowler friendly pitches actually helps us. Our batting was under control, by reading your post you'd think we got skittled in the tests over here. Our bowling was the problem time and time again, just like in India.
I reckon it will go 2-1.
If punter fires we'll take it out.
Belnakor
23 Feb 2009, 10:24
this guy tried to say that some credit should be given to the bowler because sometimes bowlers intentionally though their hand out in such a way to deflect straight drives back onto the stumps. I mean, that to me is just speaking crap.
maybe not in that particular instance, but Mcgrath used to be trying to do that all the time.
davey_magik
23 Feb 2009, 11:23
Them preparing bowler friendly pitches actually helps us. Our batting was under control, by reading your post you'd think we got skittled in the tests over here. Our bowling was the problem time and time again, just like in India.
I reckon it will go 2-1.
If punter fires we'll take it out.
My point is their bowling will be twice as good in SA which will hurt our batting. I fear we may rely on Punter and to a lesser extent Kato too much.
On the bowling, McGain HAS to fire and I'm not sure about how much better MJ will be over there considering he doesn't really rely so much on swing or seam to get his wickets.
Selective Retention
23 Feb 2009, 13:09
I went against the grain and selected Australia.
Ponting and Hussey will both have better tours than they had Australian summers, Hayden has been put down and Haddin will feel a lot more entrenched in the side after his efforts against NZ and in the one dayers.
North should be more productive with the bat than Symonds and McDonald.
Then it is up to the bowlers, Johnson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus and Bollinger would be a reasonable enough attack and if Hilfenhaus or Bollinger can step up then we are a chance.
Our batting is adequate imo, our bowling is another matter. Only time we took 20 wickets against SA over here was on an SCG wicket that had as many cracks as the Grand Canyon. And even then, we barely scraped through.
Minotaur
23 Feb 2009, 13:34
For much the same reasons as posted above by SR, I went for a draw.
I think Australia will have a far stronger side than the one here. Quite a sad indictment on the selectors.
Hughes will be an improvement on Hayden
Huss seems to have found form
Anyone (hopefully North) will offer more than an out of form and unstable Symonds
Siddle offers more than Lee
McGain offers more than Haurwitz.
Considering we were in winning positions in every game but lost two it should be closer than people think.
TassieSaint
23 Feb 2009, 13:47
^ I agree on those improvements mate (except maybe 4), but I reckon SA's home ground advantage will outweigh any possible gain we get from those changes.
SA 2-0 unfortunately
royboy2
23 Feb 2009, 13:55
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT
23 Feb 2009, 14:50
Dude, you need to get out more if you are fretting about such a minor matter.
We're going to get crushed. Their bowling attack accounted for us easily enough on our roads, on their bowling-friendly pitches we'll get rolled.
South Africa 2-0
Im not fretting at all. Just saying that when Morkel ran Warner out it was total fluke, there was no skill in it at all. Trying to say there was is just idiotic.
I pointed that out.
Jimthegreat
23 Feb 2009, 15:30
I tossed up between a drawn series or a 2-1 to SA. I went the conservative way, the latter, due to the home pitch advantage.
OzBomber
23 Feb 2009, 15:32
Im not fretting at all. Just saying that when Morkel ran Warner out it was total fluke, there was no skill in it at all. Trying to say there was is just idiotic.
I pointed that out.There was skill in every other aspect of the summer.
How many times would have have happened over our period of domination. Probably a lot. Just face it that South Africa are better than us.
If things go our way we can win. Hughes is so much better than arch liability Hayden, while the attack looks stronger without Lee, Hussey is in more confident mood and Symonds was in poor form and a distraction. SA usually lose their first test on home soil and they might be due for some injuries.
Their players have been resting up for a month, we'd be more likely to pick up injuries than SA.
scotty88
24 Feb 2009, 09:53
South Africa will win
MinerBoy
24 Feb 2009, 14:07
We will win because our batsmen will set big first innings scores this time around. Book Ponting in for at least 2 centuries in the series and Hussey is going to make plenty aswell.
Bowling is a worry but will have more runs to play with this time. 2-1 Australia.
If things go our way we can win. Hughes is so much better than arch liability Hayden, while the attack looks stronger without Lee, Hussey is in more confident mood and Symonds was in poor form and a distraction. SA usually lose their first test on home soil and they might be due for some injuries.
This is true, this decade they have lost to India, Pakistan, Ingerland and :eek: West Indies in their first tests at home. And of Cause Australia.
That West Indies victory in 2007 was their first victory away from home since 2000.
Who will win?
Personally, i would love to smash South Africa in this series. I just feel they are starting to get a bit to big for their boots. Some of the media articles i have read have been cringeworthy.
Here is a small selection of quotes.
http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Lifestyle/Article.aspx?id=941493
Who can forget Neil Manthorpe on radio saying with a straight face when Warner was run out off a deflection from a straight drive that bowlers often try and deflect back onto the stumps. I mean, what crap.
Wow you are getting annoyed with the Saffas for being arrogant? Well welcome to how the rest of the world viewed, and still does, the Aussies. Arrogant pricks who can't keep there mouth shut and are quick to blame someone or something else.
You are getting annoyed now? You have no right to be annoyed. Come back in 5 years of Saffa domination and then you can start to get annoyed.
KiwiRoo
25 Feb 2009, 06:56
Wow you are getting annoyed with the Saffas for being arrogant? Well welcome to how the rest of the world viewed, and still does, the Aussies. Arrogant pricks who can't keep there mouth shut and are quick to blame someone or something else.
You are getting annoyed now? You have no right to be annoyed. Come back in 5 years of Saffa domination and then you can start to get annoyed.
Yeah its not like the Saffas are nominating before the series starts who's going to be their batting bunny aka Warne & McGrath.Now that was arrogant !
I reckon the Saffas play the game in the right spirit..hard but with respect for their opponents..how it should be
as for the result.I certainly dont think the Aussies are out of it.Only need an injury to Steyn and the sides even up big time.The Aussie batting is still strong & if they post big totals then that pressure can do funny things to opposition sides.
The South Africans will also be carry a big weight of public expectation which wont be easy
I can see a 1-1 series result
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
13 Mar 2009, 19:16
Interesting reading back on this thread.
Just goes to show that a majority of BF really know stuff all about cricket.
It is here for all to see.
Interesting reading back on this thread.
Just goes to show that a majority of BF really know stuff all about cricket.
It is here for all to see.
Although, to be honest, no-one expected Australia to bowl as well as they have this series. None of us expected the SA attack (Morkel aside) to lose their consistency, either. Finally, we didn't expect Phil Hughes to fire so spectacularly and announce himself as a batting prodigy (an Australian one, no less). I admit to not expecting us to win this series.
It's great to be proven wrong in this case, though. It's also great to stick it up certain individuals who have celebrated Australian cricket's failures every step of the way (you and I both know who I'm referring too). ;)
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
13 Mar 2009, 19:43
Haven't had a chance to get stuck into them because they haven't been around.
CrazyQ, Linda to name a few.
To me those posters can't be taken seriously if they pop in and out depending on Australia's success?
OzBomber
13 Mar 2009, 20:18
Interesting reading back on this thread.
Just goes to show that a majority of BF really know stuff all about cricket.
It is here for all to see.
I don't know how you can say we know stuff all about cricket. No one could have predicted this unless you were the most one-eyed Aussie supporter.
Even the experts had the Aussies losing.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
13 Mar 2009, 20:36
I don't know how you can say we know stuff all about cricket. No one could have predicted this unless you were the most one-eyed Aussie supporter.
Even the experts had the Aussies losing.
Maybe not stuff all, but minimal.
Several people did predict this, read Peter Roebuck's latest article.
The series in Australia was a lot closer then people think, that was one of the reasons behind my reasoning.
Australia were in a position in the MCG and WACA test to push for victory but for various reasons they were beaten.
At the WACA it was the collapse of the batting in the 2nd innings and carrying 2 bowlers who were having no impact in Lee and Krezja.
At the MCG Lee's injury in my opinion was the main reason we lost as the workload on Siddle and Johnson was then increased. Siddle especially was stiff from the previous day.
I felt that our bowling was good enough to get 20 wickets based on it's performace in Sydney. I also felt our batting had been strengthened.
I though we had a 50:50 chance of victory and with SA favourites i thought that extra pressure would be in our favour.
Those who know the game well gave Australia a 50:50 chance of winning, which is a lot more then most people on this thread.
Selective Retention
13 Mar 2009, 22:55
The lack of non performing proud queenslanders has led to a considerable improvement in the side.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
13 Mar 2009, 23:34
Are you forgetting that Mitchell Johnson, a born and breed proud queenslander, led the way for us?
About time some of the other states pulled their weight.
OzBomber
14 Mar 2009, 11:08
Are you forgetting that Mitchell Johnson, a born and breed proud queenslander, led the way for us?
About time some of the other states pulled their weight.
If he was proud he wouldn't have gone to WA would he? ;)
Anyway, he said non-performing QLDers. Johnson is actually performing well.
The Reaper
14 Mar 2009, 12:07
Interesting reading back on this thread.
Just goes to show that a majority of BF really know stuff all about cricket.
It is here for all to see.
and your just as bad:rolleyes:
I can remember prior to the series in Australia you claimed that Steyn was overated and that your would take a red card if South Africa won a single test:rolleyes:
Perhaps we who believed South Africa would win dont know anything about cricket but if that is the truth you dont either
But of course getting a prediction wrong doesn't prove that you don't know anything about cricket.
Do people expecting Gary Ablett to win the brownlow in the past two years know nothing about football?
You sir, seem to believe that you alone have cricket knowledge and if anyone disagrees with you that they don't know anything
The Reaper
14 Mar 2009, 12:09
If he was proud he wouldn't have gone to WA would he? ;)
Anyway, he said non-performing QLDers. Johnson is actually performing well.
Johnson actually only turned good after moving to WA
same with Adam Gilchrist and Steve Magoffin
Brad Williams also made an improvement when playing for WA and Nicholosn played his only test while in WA
Therefore for the benefit of their careers, all the talented young players around the country should move to WA
Without descending into partisan arguments about states, I agree with most of the posters here; just because you make a wrong prediction once in a while, does not mean your knowledge of cricket is minimal. We are human; we make mistakes. As I said earlier, being wrong isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. (So much for South Africa creating a new dynasty, huh, Xtreme?) :)
It is also worth noting that Roebuck did not deliver that anecdote about the journalists and pundits predicting victory for Australia until after Australia actually won. Interesting, to say the least.
Punchy Bassett
14 Mar 2009, 15:19
I don't know how you can say we know stuff all about cricket. No one could have predicted this unless you were the most one-eyed Aussie supporter.
Even the experts had the Aussies losing.
Actually one of my best mates, who does know his cricket extremely well said before the Saffies were here, we would lose at home but then redeem and beat them away. I laughed at him but he is the one laughing now!
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
14 Mar 2009, 20:22
and your just as bad:rolleyes:
I can remember prior to the series in Australia you claimed that Steyn was overated and that your would take a red card if South Africa won a single test:rolleyes:
Perhaps we who believed South Africa would win dont know anything about cricket but if that is the truth you dont either
But of course getting a prediction wrong doesn't prove that you don't know anything about cricket.
Do people expecting Gary Ablett to win the brownlow in the past two years know nothing about football?
You sir, seem to believe that you alone have cricket knowledge and if anyone disagrees with you that they don't know anything
At the time the media was building Steyn up to be some sort of unstoppable messiah, i purely said that while he was a good bowler, one of the best in the world, he wasn't anything our batsmen couldn't handle.
I think that comment is justified in the way we played Steyn in South Africa, he has taken 9 wickets @ 35.77.
He had a great MCG test sure. In that post you refer to i said this.
Morkel reminds me of Steve Harmison and im sure we can handle him as well.
I was right wasn't I.
I didn't say SA wouldn't win any tests, (they probably shouldn't have at all if we had showed some application in Perth) but I said that Steyn wasn't the unplayable messiah he was being said to be.
I tipped Australia, I knew we'd bounce back with a much better squad - no Symonds and Lee made such a difference for the third test, even though Bollinger and McDonald did almost nothing, but now with Hilfy, Hughes and North in we've gotten a decent balance.
That article makes me laugh even more now than it did pre-series.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
14 Mar 2009, 21:16
What article?
What article?
Uh...the one that you cited in the OP?