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What does everyone think of the new rules for the preseason competition?
Go to the AFL board. There's a thread there started by Goalden Hawk. The general consensus is that they're crap. The only ones pleased seem to be Pies fans. Pretty obvious why when they have long-kicking players like Buckley, Rocca and Lonie. Anyone see Eddie's hand in this?
footballphantom
15 Dec 2002, 11:36
Well Malthouse was at the launch.
I think that the AFL are treating the supporters like dummies.
If they change footy much more I am out.
Macca19
15 Dec 2002, 12:34
Originally posted by gbear
What does everyone think of the new rules for the preseason competition?
50m 9 point goal rule - crap. Even tho we've got some big kickers in the side i just think the level of play will deteriorate and everyone will just be having pot shots from outside 50. Thankfully its only in the pre season.
Bigger Square - couldnt care less really
3 point rushed behind - i think its a good move.
Umpires clothing - they will look like Jaffas.
Defenders kicking out - not too sure about that one. Waiting for the flags gives everyone a chance to settle. What happens if there is a turnover and the umpire is still waving the flags?
Play on when kicking backwards - *shrugs* pointless rule in my opinion.
Expanded Interchange benches - this happens each pre season anyway.
Ford Fairlane
15 Dec 2002, 14:23
At the hottest time of the year, when the players are going through their hardest physical work on the track, the AFL intro's trial rules that speed the game up!!! Do they actually have any consideration for the players or is it just up the AFLPA to demonstrate that initative?
The Back to the Future lunacy of the AFL also never ceases to amaze me. They always seem to want to introduce some new crackpot rule(s) every pre season that seem to more and more mirror the international rules game. What next? A round ball?
It's like the ruck rule. Only a couple of years ago they took away the centreline because 105kg ruckmen were charging at each other injuring themselves or each other. So they changed the rule to allow some variation of checkside to prevent the collisions. Then they didn't like Matty Primus fending off with one arm and changed that rule (and enforced it for maybe a month). Then they go back to the "charging each other at the bounce" rule. What gives with these guys?
Who remembers that idiot rule a couple of years back when you weren't allowed to take possession of the ball in a pack if you weren't on your feet ... you had to tap it out? Poor Josh Francou was pinged time and again for holding the ball because he has an uncanny ability to go into a pack on his knees, grab the ball, bounce to his feet and zip out of the pack. Thank goodness they ditched that rule at the end of the pre season comp.
Originally posted by Macca19
50m 9 point goal rule - crap. Even tho we've got some big kickers in the side i just think the level of play will deteriorate and everyone will just be having pot shots from outside 50. Thankfully its only in the pre season.
How is a goal deserving of 50% more score because you kicked it from 51 instead of 49m? Most players can kick 50m anyway, certainly on the run. Might back up this rule for 60m set shots only.
Bigger Square - couldnt care less really
Same here.
3 point rushed behind - i think its a good move.
Have to disagree with this one. What is a rushed behind? If a defender puts their hand on a goalbound kick or if they walk it through from 5 metres? Leave this alone.
Umpires clothing - they will look like Jaffas.
So what?
Defenders kicking out - not too sure about that one. Waiting for the flags gives everyone a chance to settle. What happens if there is a turnover and the umpire is still waving the flags?
I agree - leave it out.
Play on when kicking backwards - *shrugs* pointless rule in my opinion.
Put a post on the AFL site about this. Could cause quite a bit of confusion. Here is the post :
Here's a likely scenario for these rules. Port have the ball in their forward lines and are looking for Dew so that he can have a ping from outside 50. Stevens sees him and squares it up so he can have the shot. Dew marks and walks back to shoot at goal. He is tackled and the umpire gives holding the ball because the kick was across ground.
Another game, exactly the same thing happens with another big leg from another team. This time the umpire forgets the across ground rule and allows the mark. Or maybe decides not to call across ground because they weren't in position.
This is just going to mean more games are decided on umpiring decisions than already are. We need less rules, not more; and certainly not rules agreed to by coaches who can see how they can advantage their teams.
Expanded Interchange benches - this happens each pre season anyway.
Always useful in the pre-season anyway as (1) you want to try out as many players as possible and (2) it's bloody hot.
Macca19
15 Dec 2002, 16:18
Originally posted by mic59
3 point rushed behind - i think its a good move.
Have to disagree with this one. What is a rushed behind? If a defender puts their hand on a goalbound kick or if they walk it through from 5 metres? Leave this alone
In my opinion it would be if a player walked the ball over the line, kicked or handballed the ball over the line. That would pretty much be it.
Originally posted by Macca19
In my opinion it would be if a player walked the ball over the line, kicked or handballed the ball over the line. That would pretty much be it.
I'm sure that's what it's intended to stop but I can see it getting out of hand like the out of bounds intentionally rule. That started out as a handball out of bounds and now an extra half step towards the boundary line is being called deliberate.
The deliberate out of bounds rule was brought in because in those days the clock kept running when the ball was over the boundary.
These days I think its a bit dated, and pointless. Every player that wants to get the ball out of bounds does anyway.
DOn't mind seeing the odd "whacky" rule change in the preseason but hopefully they don't tamper with the rules in the season proper.
To me the 9 point "goal" will add something, not sure how much though, guess we'll have to wait and see.
Don't mind the centre square being bigger, wouldn't mind that change for the whole season although again not sure how much difference it will actually make.
Don't like the 3 point rushed behind and for that matter don't like the current deliberate out of bounds rule, IMO if a player is good enough (skill-wise) to get the ball out of danger (either out of bounds or for a rushed behind) then good on them, why it needs to come down to how good an actor they are is beyond me.
terrafirma2002
16 Dec 2002, 12:37
Im a big fan of football and i think the best days are already gone. The constant changing of the rules is making our national game a joke. I think the only thing that will ever need to be changed is sometimes the interpretations of certain rules.
I would also like to point out to all afl fans and afl employees that an ad campaign a few years back pointed out the fact that our sport was a great specticle due to all the body contact. These ad campaigns starred many overseas sports stars who all used the slogan id like to see that and all i can reply with is they better hurry up because the good old days are dying.
As for the possible rule changes with the 9 point goal from outside 50 and the 3 point rushed behind i think its going to be too confusing for starters. What will the scoreboard read like?
50m G R P Total
Adelaide 2 11 4 7 103
Port Adelaide 3 10 5 2 104
Just leave things alone... PLEASEEE!!!!!!
They are trying to make things more exciting but most people already agree it is one of the most exciting games in the world to watch.
>50m = 9 points - not bad in theory but shythouse in trying to govern. Another area for the umpire to stuff up and cost teams games in. Also how are they going to communicate to goal umpires it was a 9 pointer??? A similar rule only works in basketball because of the much smaller playing arena.
Larger centre square - wont make a difference except at the SCG where the Half Forwards and Half Backs will have to start inside their respective 50m arcs.
Defenders kicking out - more possibilties for stuff ups.
Rushed behind = 3 points - add further confusion to the scoring.
To me I think the games that work best in the world are the ones which are the most simplest. They should be simplifing the rules and give the umpires less to think about rather then more.
The only rule change I think they should make is if the ball goes between the goalposts it is a goal, or between the goal and point post it is a point, irrespective of if it hits the actual post or not. Likewise if it goes between the goalposts after hitting a defender it is still a goal. If it bounces off the post back into play it is play on.
This will simplify the scoring and make defenders even more desperate to stop the ball going over the goal line at all costs.
Cheers
SKC
Port1978
16 Dec 2002, 17:13
Originally posted by gbear
What does everyone think of the new rules for the preseason competition?
Absolute crap. What's the point just changing the rules for the preseason then going back to the normal rules when the real season starts? Wish they'd just leave the rles alone! :mad:
Paralowiepower
16 Dec 2002, 20:35
New rules are crap.
SACK THE RULES COMMITTEE NOW.........
At least we won the last Ansett cup, last years Wizards cup,
now its just a bloody circus.
Heads must roll:rolleyes:
rubberman
17 Dec 2002, 02:24
How about a basketball hoop in the middle of the goals?
If someone manages to get the footy through the hoop, they would be rewarded with 25 points. How exciting!!!!!
Originally posted by port1978
Absolute crap. What's the point just changing the rules for the preseason then going back to the normal rules when the real season starts? Wish they'd just leave the rles alone! :mad:
It's the best opportunity to try out new stuff at the top level without impacting on the real stuff. Sure you could try it out at SANFL or Regional level, but you'll get more direct results trialling things in the cup.
It's better than just chucking new stuff in at round 1 of the H&A.
jabsy
dreamkillers
17 Dec 2002, 18:52
Originally posted by Eago77
DOn't mind seeing the odd "whacky" rule change in the preseason but hopefully they don't tamper with the rules in the season proper.
Something that has been lost/missing in most articles about the changes being made for the pre-season is that they are not looking at making these changes in the real season.
I gather they are trying to make a more TV friendly version of the game for the pre season in the way one day cricket was developed from the original game.
I also see some of these changes being used as selling points overseas - especially in the US market where sports are heavily influenced by the TV broadcasters - ie the people that fund the game.
As for the changes I think the umpires are going to be under even more pressure with their interpretations and consistency in applying the rules and that is where the biggest problems will occur.
As Jabsy, PAFOLWR and a couple of others will agree.......we have a self interest in wanting Port to win the first pre-season comp game to ensure the club plays up here in Darwin in the second round.
This will further help with the exposure of the club in the NT and would result in numerous new members/supporters becoming actively involved in supporting our great club in the future.
If it's not us it will be the cows that will benefit...........:(
After the disappointment of having our 2002 game cancelled the ground has been completely resurfaced under the guidance of the MCG curator and will be ready to go from the end of January.........
Originally posted by port1978
Absolute crap. What's the point just changing the rules for the preseason then going back to the normal rules when the real season starts? Wish they'd just leave the rles alone! :mad:
That's a good point, why change things only to change them back a few weeks later. I guess these rules need to be trialled somewhere before being perhaps included in the H&A season, hopefully though they will be left in the preseason only. The only one i really think might be introduced in the H&A season is the larger centre square, however how much diffence this will actually make is questionable.