View Full Version : Shane Warne's in trouble!
Fit N Turn...
15 Dec 2002, 18:46
OMG! He has F***ked his shoulder!
mattyc2422
15 Dec 2002, 18:48
Struth.
For ****s sake.
Macca19
15 Dec 2002, 18:51
Originally posted by Fit N Turn...
OMG! He has F***ked his shoulder!
popped it. hes out for a long time now. could almost ruin the rest of his career. ****.
NICK THE PIE MAN
15 Dec 2002, 18:52
F*CK! :(
The Ewok
15 Dec 2002, 18:55
Originally posted by Guey_34
Hello Stuart MacGill.
Screw that thought
Hello Cameron White!
Fit N Turn...
15 Dec 2002, 18:55
Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN
F*CK! :( This is terrible! :(
I love watching this guy bowl. I'm glad I saw his last over live!
Jim Boy
15 Dec 2002, 19:08
He'll be back, but not for a while. He'll miss the World Cup (where he'll be missed), and the tour of the Windies, and then he might as well rest during the Bangladesh and Zimbabwe matches. He'll be back for next summers Indian tour.
Bad Luck for Warne, good luck for MacGill though, should allow him to show the world how good he is at the World Cup.
The Ewok
15 Dec 2002, 19:14
Originally posted by Jim Boy
He'll be back, but not for a while. He'll miss the World Cup (where he'll be missed), and the tour of the Windies, and then he might as well rest during the Bangladesh and Zimbabwe matches. He'll be back for next summers Indian tour.
If he doesn't need any surgery he'll be back within a month, Boris Bewick popped his shoulder so many times and was back playing within a fortnight
A full shoulder reconstruction is a 10-12 week job
I was wondering why MacGill was eyeing out all these vodoo type dolls at Paddington markets yesterday aftermoon. ;)
Bad injury..could be the end as its the shoulder he was operated on.
Fit N Turn...
15 Dec 2002, 19:18
Originally posted by Zombie
Bad Luck for Warne, good luck for MacGill though, should allow him to show the world how good he is at the World Cup. I haven't heard anything about McGill for ages! you sure he still exists? :confused: :p
ThePowerFromPort.com
15 Dec 2002, 19:21
Bugger! Hope he's back soon. My son's a leggie and loves trying to emulate him. It would be a shame if he doesn't play again.
Shoulder popped out..just put it in.
He will be fine...cotton wool until the World Cup.
Desredandwhite
15 Dec 2002, 19:36
stuff the world cup, IMHO! put him away until the next major test tour - where's that again?
Officially dislocated. Best case scenario is 6-8 weeks followed by gently easing him back into it. But this seems optimistic. If he bowls at all in the World Cup, his bowling won't be what it has been.
Worst case scenario - career over. But this is also doubtful. We'll see him next summer.
Back to the toasted sangas and baked beans. He was back to his best form.
:(
OldSchool
15 Dec 2002, 19:50
MacGill would be a good replacement however, a player like Higgs or Hogg might have a chance of being added to the 15man OD squad to give another option
Originally posted by OldSchool
MacGill would be a good replacement however, a player like Higgs or Hogg might have a chance of being added to the 15man OD squad to give another option
Jim Higgs and Rodney Hogg?? :p
mattyc2422
15 Dec 2002, 20:08
MacGill. :mad:
Not a fan.
The Ewok
15 Dec 2002, 20:12
MacGill's current form doesn't warrant a callup
With the Ashes won, time to throw in a White or Hauritz for Boxing Day
I think Hogg will replace Warne in the next one day game in Perth & MacGill may just edge out Hauritz for the test spot.
Originally posted by mattyc2422
MacGill. :mad:
Not a fan.
Yeah MacGill's pretty average, although:
He has a better Test bowling average than Warne
He has a better Test bowling strike rate than Warne
He has a better ODI bowling average than Warne
He has a better ODI bowling strike rate than Warne
He has a better ODI bowling economy rate than Warne
other than that he is average.
Hauritz and White are both poor bowlers, against quality opposition in the world cup they will get smashed around like we are doing to the English bowlers. In fact White has been down right useless, he has only played 12 first class matches and even less List A (first class one dayers).
Neither are ready to be Australia's #1 spin bowler, both would have benefited from the experience of the world cup, but neither will play. MacGill has the skill and the experience to bowl aswell as Warne at ODI level and will be the perfect replacement.
Bring in Hoggy!!
One of the best fielders in the game and handy with the ball and bat.
What about Gilly's strain of his groin?
Desredandwhite
15 Dec 2002, 20:57
Magilla will be picked for the test side I think - not so sure about the ODI side. Sounds like the selectors and the OD captain are placing emphasis on containment, and not wicket-taking. MacGill will take wickets, but most likely be pounded all over the park whilst doing it.
One of the unluckiest bowlers at the moment, IMHO if Shane Warne never existed, he would be a permanent fixture at #1 spinner for the team.
Hauritz or Hogg or someone will be favoured for the one day team.
Another Sydney test match for MacGill. Warne will be back, I hope. I'm a big MacGill fan, but Warne is simply the best leggie of all time, period.
The Hippie
15 Dec 2002, 21:09
Dammit, and I was really looking forward to see him maybe get his 500th Test wicket at the Boxing Day game. Or at least have a good crack at it. :(
The Ewok
15 Dec 2002, 21:12
4-6 weeks so says the Aussie team doc
LionsForever
15 Dec 2002, 21:19
Originally posted by The Ewok
4-6 weeks so says the Aussie team doc
That seems like forever :(
Originally posted by Desredandwhite
Sounds like the selectors and the OD captain are placing emphasis on containment, and not wicket-taking. MacGill will take wickets, but most likely be pounded all over the park whilst doing it.
Hauritz or Hogg or someone will be favoured for the one day team.
Another Sydney test match for MacGill. Warne will be back, I hope. I'm a big MacGill fan, but Warne is simply the best leggie of all time, period.
ODI Economy rates:
MacGill 3.50
Warne 4.25
Hauritz 4.74
larrikin
15 Dec 2002, 23:27
I hope they play Brad Hogg in the ODIs. His one day bowling is exceptional, he's a brilliant fielder (up there with Ponting) and is very handy with the bat (much better than Warne - he was in the Warriors side as a batsman).
Could even be a smokey for the Boxing Day test - he has played one test before (v India)!!!
Wicked Lester
16 Dec 2002, 08:04
Will be interesting to see how we go without him. We are now only a Glen McGrath injury away from being back with the pack.
It should remind us of how lucky (good management?) we've been with injuries over the past couple of years.
kretchy
16 Dec 2002, 09:39
Hopefully it will be Hauritz who comes into the one-day side.
MacGill is likely to play in the tests.
I bowl pretty handy leggies....
I hardly get a bowl in A grade tho...
mugsyman
16 Dec 2002, 09:47
i was also at the game and the respect shown bynthe fans was excellent.
What can be done to replace him though?
Two Words:
Andrew
Symonds
I reckon the selectors should replace Warne with Hogg, and also bring Blewett in for Watson. We are really struggling in that all rounder position, and we know that Blewett will make more runs than Watson, and he could be just as handy with the ball. I really hope that Symonds realises his full potential soon. He could be anything. So, Warne out for Hogg, Watson out for Blewett/Symonds. I'm not a fan of MacGill at all.
Unwritten_Law
16 Dec 2002, 10:45
Originally posted by vergs
I reckon the selectors should replace Warne with Hogg, and also bring Blewett in for Watson. We are really struggling in that all rounder position, and we know that Blewett will make more runs than Watson, and he could be just as handy with the ball. I really hope that Symonds realises his full potential soon. He could be anything. So, Warne out for Hogg, Watson out for Blewett/Symonds. I'm not a fan of MacGill at all.
Blewett will not score any more runs than Watson from # 7. Don't kid yourself over that. Symonds is a better option a) because he can belt it around b) he can bowl spin and medium pace and c) he is the best fielder.
I'd prefer them to either play 5 bowlers or an extra batsmen. I'm sure we could find 10 overs between Lehmann, Martyn, Ponting and possibly Bevan *shudder*. The all-rounder we select is always a batting all-rounder who can bowl a bit and ends up conceeding 4+ an over with the ball. If we select Bichel as the fifth bowler we make up runs with the ball and the tail is not all that long. Warne (not anymore :( ) , Lee, Bichel can all chase the quick runs at the end of an innings. IMO anyway....
The ODI spot will be taken by Hauritz for the WACA game and the test spot by MacGill.
For those who want to compare stats - get a life. It is impossible due to the large descrepancy in the number of games played.
Hauritz will get his test debut in Sydney.
The biggest disappointment is not being able to see Warney take his 500 test wicket in Australia that will now happen in the Caribean.
goal_umpire
16 Dec 2002, 11:06
Originally posted by vergs
I reckon the selectors should replace Warne with Hogg, and also bring Blewett in for Watson. We are really struggling in that all rounder position, and we know that Blewett will make more runs than Watson, and he could be just as handy with the ball. I really hope that Symonds realises his full potential soon. He could be anything. So, Warne out for Hogg, Watson out for Blewett/Symonds. I'm not a fan of MacGill at all.
I agree. However, I think that Symonds should be in more than Blewett. Symonds can bowl off spin as well as medium pace.
Unwritten_Law
16 Dec 2002, 11:32
Originally posted by Slax
The ODI spot will be taken by Hauritz for the WACA game and the test spot by MacGill.
I doubt MacGill will get called up. He seems to be well and truly out of the selectors eyes. Maybe the injury to Warne will change things but I will not be surprised when he isn't picked. Shame really.
Hauritz will get his test debut in Sydney.
Bah!!
Our next generation of spinners (Hauritz, White, Doherty*) are fine for one day matches and keeping it tight but test spinners?
* Doherty ****s all over White but being Tasmanian has no chance :rolleyes:
TheMase
16 Dec 2002, 13:36
Welcome Back MacGill :D
TheRealBuzz
16 Dec 2002, 14:52
What's MacGill actually done for the last couple of years? It wasn't that long ago that he was dropped by NSW.
He does have the ability, but he's going to have to really pull up his socks over the next couple of months and work his arse off if he wants to go to the World Cup.
Hauritz and White are still very raw, and I doubt Hogg is the answer.
Anyway, I just hope that yesterday wasn't the last time we'll see Warne playing for Australia. He's just such an awesome bowler to watch.
What's McGill's recent form like? I haven't heard a lot from him this season (apart from his appearance on The Fat), so perhaps someone could enlighten me. Also, is it true some of the Australian players aren't big fans of his, a la M Elliott?
Test-wise, they're always pretty conservative, so I'd imagine Hauritz and White are too left-field, at least at this stage. I'd expect Hogg to get a run. Although we could see the all-pace attack.
One-dayers and World Cup? Warne would be cutting it very fine trying to make the World Cup squad now. No chance for a run-in, and not available until well after the final 15 are announced, at best. Hauritz and Hogg are the front-runners there, with Hogg slightly favoured at this stage. You'd want a proper spinner, just for team balance - at least in the squad, if not on the pitch. Relying on Lehmann, rather than just having up our sleeves, is a bit risky.
Watson will stay. I don't see why we can't do a straight swap, Campbell for Gilchrist. Campbell can open. With a bit of re-jigging, it may even open the door for Langer.
mattyc2422
16 Dec 2002, 16:14
Originally posted by Zombie
Yeah MacGill's pretty average, although:
He has a better Test bowling average than Warne
He has a better Test bowling strike rate than Warne
He has a better ODI bowling average than Warne
He has a better ODI bowling strike rate than Warne
He has a better ODI bowling economy rate than Warne
other than that he is average.
Hauritz and White are both poor bowlers, against quality opposition in the world cup they will get smashed around like we are doing to the English bowlers. In fact White has been down right useless, he has only played 12 first class matches and even less List A (first class one dayers).
Neither are ready to be Australia's #1 spin bowler, both would have benefited from the experience of the world cup, but neither will play. MacGill has the skill and the experience to bowl aswell as Warne at ODI level and will be the perfect replacement.
I never said he couldn't playm but I'm just not a fan of the guy.
How about Watson for Michael Clarke? :)
GoEagles
16 Dec 2002, 21:04
Brad Hogg has to come in. He is electric in the field, probably a better one day batter than Warne and I'd say he'd have a better bowling record on the WACA pitch.
If Warne rushes back for the World Cup he'll ruin his career. Either he misses the World Cup and aims for the West Indies, or he plays and risks retiring a few years too early through injury.
wagstaff
16 Dec 2002, 21:11
Originally posted by GoEagles
Brad Hogg has to come in. He is electric in the field, probably a better one day batter than Warne and I'd say he'd have a better bowling record on the WACA pitch.
It would be a damned good effort if Hogg were to make it back into the side after all these years. From what I've read about his tour of India in 1996 he wasn't particularly respected by other members of the side.
Apparently Tom Moody didn't particulary rate him either, but he seems to have come good in the last couple of seasons since he's departed.
Fit N Turn...
17 Dec 2002, 16:58
Originally posted by GoEagles
Brad Hogg has to come in. He is electric in the field, probably a better one day batter than Warne and I'd say he'd have a better bowling record on the WACA pitch.
If Warne rushes back for the World Cup he'll ruin his career. Either he misses the World Cup and aims for the West Indies, or he plays and risks retiring a few years too early through injury. I disagree!
All shane did was dis-locate his shoulder. This type of injury would not ruin his career. He might come up a little sore each day, but he's tuff. We have seen Warne come back from injuries before, and he pulls up really good.
Shane will back! and with even more hunger for wickets!
GoEagles
17 Dec 2002, 17:07
Originally posted by Fit N Turn...
I disagree!
We have seen Warne come back from injuries before, and he pulls up really good.
It took him 8 months to recover after his prior shoulder surgery. I'd just hate to see him rush back and potentially ruin his career, while missing the World Cup might have him fresh and ready for the West Indies tour in 2003.
Fit N Turn...
17 Dec 2002, 18:55
Originally posted by GoEagles
It took him 8 months to recover after his prior shoulder surgery. I'd just hate to see him rush back and potentially ruin his career, while missing the World Cup might have him fresh and ready for the West Indies tour in 2003. Bollocks!
A dis-located shoulder is NOT going too ruin his career! It's out of the question. :rolleyes:
dr nick
17 Dec 2002, 19:15
Originally posted by Fit N Turn...
We have seen Warne come back from injuries before
yes, and infact the last shoulder injury, not only did it take him 8 months to get back on the field, but a few more years before he was anywhere near what he was before.
Fit N Turn...
20 Dec 2002, 18:38
Originally posted by nicko18
yes, and infact the last shoulder injury, not only did it take him 8 months to get back on the field, but a few more years before he was anywhere near what he was before. Looks like the ACB Selectors agree with me too :p :cool:
I win!