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dan warna
10 Mar 2009, 19:30
does he drop a catch every innings?
he's a more than handy batsman, but we were spoiled with heals and Gilchrist for the bulk of the last two decades.
For those who watch NSW more closely is he underperforming behind the stumps to his FC standard? or is it that he is a good batsman who's keeping is adequate?
Deadly Outbreak
10 Mar 2009, 19:51
He seems to have made a habit of dropping catches off Siddle.
There has to be some sort of conspiracy in that.
blues_gibbzy
10 Mar 2009, 20:09
He seems to have made a habit of dropping catches off Siddle.
There has to be some sort of conspiracy in that.
Obviously no one likes the Vics:p
does he drop a catch every innings?
he's a more than handy batsman, but we were spoiled with heals and Gilchrist for the bulk of the last two decades.
For those who watch NSW more closely is he underperforming behind the stumps to his FC standard? or is it that he is a good batsman who's keeping is adequate?
Well, Haddin is a markedly better batsman than Healy, but obviously an inferior keeper. There are times when he looks good and takes difficult catches, but at other times he looks pretty poor. I do feel that he has improved a bit in this regard since scoring his ton down in Adelaide.
He also lets through more byes than his predecessors.
I've had my say on Haddin's keeping but get screamed down every time he makes a score.
He's perhaps the worst gloveman we've had in the side for the last 50 years.
He's perhaps the worst gloveman we've had in the side for the last 50 years.
Spot on.
Wonder how long his batting will keep him in the side, particularly with Wade now scoring regular FC centuries.
Santos L Helper
10 Mar 2009, 20:36
Not often I agree with Zeke, but he's correct.
Plus... Haddin's a cheat.
blue boy jatz
10 Mar 2009, 20:38
I've had my say on Haddin's keeping but get screamed down every time he makes a score.
He's perhaps the worst gloveman we've had in the side for the last 50 years.
yeah i totally agree
blue boy jatz
10 Mar 2009, 20:39
Not often I agree with Zeke, but he's correct.
Plus... Haddin's a cheat.
how do u figure?:confused:
how do u figure?:confused:
He has a thing where he grabs the ball infront of the stumps and knocks the bails off with his hands and pretends its a legitimate dismissal.
Santos L Helper
10 Mar 2009, 20:44
He has a thing where he grabs the ball infront of the stumps and knocks the bails off with his hands and pretends its a legitimate dismissal.
Plus he claims that he has no idea that he's dropped the ball even though he was looking straight at it as it hit the ground.
blue boy jatz
10 Mar 2009, 20:44
He has a thing where he grabs the ball infront of the stumps and knocks the bails off with his hands and pretends its a legitimate dismissal.
oh yep
sorry my bad i forgot about that:o
He's perhaps the worst gloveman we've had in the side for the last 50 years.
There is no "perhaps" about it. I've seen every wicketkeeper Australia's had since 1954, when Len Maddocks wore the gloves. This bloke is the worst backstop I've ever seen play for Australia.
Now, this is not his fault, but he's just hopeless and out of his depth. However, can somebody explain to me why he manages to avoid critical scrutiny. Nobody among the commentators mentions that he's just dropped yet another catch, or how useless he is. There are no feature articles in newspapers pointing out that the emperor is exposing his equipment.
It's not as if he's going to become better at it either. His footwork is virtually non-existent, and his hands are like those of a six year-old girl clutching at the ball like a clam, rather than having his fingers pointing to the ground, in the time-honoured manner. Apologies to six year-old girls.
How many Tests will he lose for Australia, before they wake up?
Team Mo'
10 Mar 2009, 21:24
Pretty shit effort there again.
dan warna
10 Mar 2009, 21:51
wicket keepers now seem to be judged on there batting prowess.
while it was clear gilly faded badly with the bat in his last 2 seasons, he was still a fine keeper.
haddin, well, his batting is adequate, but his keeping is ordinary.
Santana
10 Mar 2009, 22:17
You all take it back. :p
Black JuJu
11 Mar 2009, 00:22
I think in modern cricket if there is a trade off to be made between the better batsman or the better keeper, the batsman will win every time.
Will be interesting if a young keeper starts to put pressure on though, Haddin is no spring chicken either way.
lions_den
11 Mar 2009, 00:36
He has a thing where he grabs the ball infront of the stumps and knocks the bails off with his hands and pretends its a legitimate dismissal.
Meh, appealing for things that you know are not out is the same thing. Same as nicking and not walking.
Juddy88
11 Mar 2009, 02:06
Same as nicking and not walking.
What a dumb thing to say. That one is completely different to the others. The umpires are there for a reason.
hes a dud keeper !! hes a old fashioned backstop you have in school cricket !!!
carnt catch ( tell me the last time an aussie keeper caught someone btween his legs ?? ) drops at least 1 catch an innings and gets in the way of slip as well, he carnt judgr when the ball is going down leg so stands there and watches it go to fine leg !!
then there are his ethics , appeals for anything even stupid thigs that make him look like an idiot, and he has claimed catches that clearly are dropped !
just becauce this dud sloggs the very occasional score does not make him worth keeping, get rid of him he is going to cost us a test very soon, put in paine or whoever as long as they are the best we have, just not this dud !!
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Needs to practice more, otherwise you may as well have Healy or Gilchrist back in the side.... both would outkeep him even if they had one hand tied behind their backs.
lionbear
11 Mar 2009, 07:47
He's perhaps the worst gloveman we've had in the side for the last 50 years.
Sadly all countries seem to go for a batsmen that can keep instead of a keeper that can bat.
Remember Jack Russell for England, he was a number 10 or 11 but he was in to keep.
Haddin is great with the bat, but his keeping is not of international standard at the moment. Do you continue with him because of his runs, or do you pick a keeper and sacrifice that 20 or 30 an innings?
frankrizzo
11 Mar 2009, 08:53
he's costing us more runs with his keeping than he's making with the bat.
I really shudder to think how badly he's going to go in England.
Genesis67
11 Mar 2009, 09:14
If we're banking on runs to win us the test match, they may as well pick Phil Hughes as the keeper at 1 (he kept wickets all thru junior grades), then use Haddin's spot for another specialist batsman or bowler.
Haddin seems to be the good bet for the ODI side, but I'm still not convinced about his test keeping.
lionbear
11 Mar 2009, 12:10
Haddin seems to be the good bet for the ODI side, but I'm still not convinced about his test keeping.
I agree with that, If we take a reserve keeper to England it will be interesting to see if he is under any pressure if the byes and dropped catches don't reduce.
UpForGrabs
11 Mar 2009, 12:13
While I wouldn't say he's the worst keeper in the past 50 year (how quick people are to forget the illustrious Wayne Phillips days), he really does put down far too many chances.
It's not just the catches too, he drops his fair share of balls which simply are let through...
spanna050
11 Mar 2009, 12:37
So obviously no one remembers how ordinary Ian Healy was at the beginning of his career? He went on to become one of our finest. Haddin's getting better. He dropped one catch last night and it was very difficult. And when he gets going with the bat, he's one of the best going around - he's averaging 48 in his last 7 tests.
Pros far outwiegh the cons. Talk of him costing us a test match are rubbish.
So obviously no one remembers how ordinary Ian Healy was at the beginning of his career? He went on to become one of our finest. Haddin's getting better. He dropped one catch last night and it was very difficult. And when he gets going with the bat, he's one of the best going around - he's averaging 48 in his last 7 tests.
Pros far outwiegh the cons. Talk of him costing us a test match are rubbish.
The same applies to Rod Marsh, too. Only problem is, Haddin is much older than those two were.
DeadlyAkkuret
11 Mar 2009, 13:41
Lol, talk about a massive overreaction. It's cute to see you all sharing your hate for Haddin, I'll leave before you start giving each other hand jobs.
SwampCreature
11 Mar 2009, 13:41
Brad Haddin?
More like Bad Haddin.
hbk_aus
11 Mar 2009, 13:49
Brad Haddin?
More like Bad Haddin.
We have been spoilt with Healy and Gilchrist. Haddin is an adequate keeper, (not outstanding like they were) and a good batsman. Until somebody else performs consistently, he is our best choice so I will support him instead of bagging him just for the sake of finding sombody to bag. Dont start with the Wade talk, he has only come good the last few matches.
Lol, talk about a massive overreaction. It's cute to see you all sharing your hate for Haddin, I'll leave before you start giving each other hand jobs.
Ok. :)
DoubleO7
11 Mar 2009, 17:19
...Shabby to say the least. He is to old to make any improvements in that area.
Rohan25
11 Mar 2009, 18:12
Sadly all countries seem to go for a batsmen that can keep instead of a keeper that can bat.
Remember Jack Russell for England, he was a number 10 or 11 but he was in to keep.
He was definitely a gun of a keeper, but you underrate his batting. His test and first class average were on a par with Ian Healy's.
lionbear
12 Mar 2009, 07:36
He was definitely a gun of a keeper, but you underrate his batting. His test and first class average were on a par with Ian Healy's.
I am not underrating his batting. I can remember him batting for a whole day to save a test match.
The point I am making is as brilliant with the gloves as he was, he would struggle to get a game for England these days, which I find bad as the importance of a good keeper is currently getting underrated massively.
Rohan25
12 Mar 2009, 08:54
I am not underrating his batting. I can remember him batting for a whole day to save a test match.
The point I am making is as brilliant with the gloves as he was, he would struggle to get a game for England these days, which I find bad as the importance of a good keeper is currently getting underrated massively.
You're right, even at his peak he struggled to get a game because England were obsessed with having Alec Stewart behind the stumps so they could pick an extra batsman. Meanwhile, Russell was still the best keeper in the country up into his late 30's.
You're right, even at his peak he struggled to get a game because England were obsessed with having Alec Stewart behind the stumps so they could pick an extra batsman. Meanwhile, Russell was still the best keeper in the country up into his late 30's.
and now they persist with a bloke who couldnt catch a cold, Matt Prior. Did they not learn anything from Geraint Jones?
TorresIsGod
12 Mar 2009, 10:46
Speaking of keepers, and byes and extras and such, while I don't rate Chris Hartley with the bat, his keeping is very good.
He didn't a concede a single bye in Victoria's mammoth total of 8 dec. 806 last week :thumbsu:
That's a fair effort.
Considering Matt Prior conceding 712* byes in the most recent Test against the West Indies.
*Give or take a few.
Tim Paine is the wave of the future.
The keeper who can bat has ruined cricket.
Remember when India were playing Rahul Dravid as a keeper? Sure, he was 'okay' with the gloves, but they wanted that extra spot for a speciailist batsman.
We need to bring in the youth, let him learn the game at the top level. (Paine, Wade, Sangakkara... he's Australian, isn't he?)
courtjester
12 Mar 2009, 10:53
I'd say that his experience is an important factor in his retention right now (very inexperienced side), but if a young keeper is doing really well in 12 months (when all these new guys have 10-15 tests under their belts) he will be out.
He is a good batsman, but doesn't seem to value his wicket much.
hbk_aus
12 Mar 2009, 13:22
Tim Paine is the wave of the future.
We need to bring in the youth, let him learn the game at the top level. (Paine, Wade, Sangakkara... he's Australian, isn't he?)
While i agree with youth, they should be made to actually deserve their spot in the side, and to date, nobody else does. Nobody else is performing consistently enough in Shield cricket to desevre taking Haddins spot.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
12 Mar 2009, 13:34
To be fair to Haddin that catch he dropped of Dumminy was hard by anyones standards.
He did take some good catchs especially that one in the first innings off McKensie, that was flying.
and now they persist with a bloke who couldnt catch a cold, Matt Prior. Did they not learn anything from Geraint Jones?
The sad part is, Geraint Jones, in the twilight of his Test career anyway, was a better keeper than 'dropsy' Prior at the moment. Tim Ambrose is obviously a better keeper too, but is kinda dodgy with the bat.
OzBomber
21 Mar 2009, 00:19
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"The one's here are set out for the game which I've used through all the test matches... They've been pretty handy"
:o
Badesumofu
21 Mar 2009, 12:47
Not often I agree with Zeke, but he's correct.
Plus... Haddin's a cheat.
Isn't there some kind of rule about calling players cheats without any proof, or even evidence? Publishing comments like that opens Big Footy up to defamation suites.
Let alone that people who throw around accusations like that without being able to back up them are shitheads.
Santos L Helper
21 Mar 2009, 13:32
Isn't there some kind of rule about calling players cheats without any proof, or even evidence? Publishing comments like that opens Big Footy up to defamation suites.
Let alone that people who throw around accusations like that without being able to back up them are shitheads.
Ha, too funny. I hope you're not studying law, because if you are, we're all ****ed.
The evidence is there for all to see. I'll say it again....HE CHEATED.
perthbombersfan
21 Mar 2009, 13:46
go for youth.
if anyone is going to be in there making mistakes it may as well be someone that has time to learn from them and improve. if not, then we havent really lost anything.
DeadlyAkkuret
21 Mar 2009, 15:51
Ha, too funny. I hope you're not studying law, because if you are, we're all ****ed.
The evidence is there for all to see. I'll say it again....HE CHEATED.
Wow, do you feel tough now?
Santos L Helper
21 Mar 2009, 16:50
Wow, do you feel tough now?
Ha...typical response. Where did I threaten anyone ace?
That's my opinion...why do opinions scare you? Did mummy treat you bad?
go for youth.
if anyone is going to be in there making mistakes it may as well be someone that has time to learn from them and improve. if not, then we havent really lost anything.
It's not like Haddin is old, he could still easily play for 6-7 years.
mediumsizered
21 Mar 2009, 20:30
He has a thing where he grabs the ball infront of the stumps and knocks the bails off with his hands and pretends its a legitimate dismissal.
This was an error by the umpire standing at the striker's end who should have called no ball. Law 40.3 Position of wicket-keeper states:
"The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler
either (i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end
or (b) the striker attempts a run.
In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the umpire at the striker's end shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible after the delivery of the ball."
robbo75
21 Mar 2009, 20:58
Spot on.
Wonder how long his batting will keep him in the side, particularly with Wade now scoring regular FC centuries.
When on song he is a good, agressive batsman. Problem is he is also very good at getting himself out with dumb shots when set. TBH I'd rather a player with better keeping skills and a lesser batting skills who values his wicket and shows a bit of grit.
Ha, too funny. I hope you're not studying law, because if you are, we're all ****ed.
The evidence is there for all to see. I'll say it again....HE CHEATED.
How about you study the forum rules next time smart guy.
dan warna
22 Mar 2009, 20:49
This was an error by the umpire standing at the striker's end who should have called no ball. Law 40.3 Position of wicket-keeper states:
"The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler
either (i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end
or (b) the striker attempts a run.
In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the umpire at the striker's end shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible after the delivery of the ball."
so when he takes the ball in front of the stumps it should be called a no ball.
he does it consistently sure the umpiring fraternity should intervene...
disgraceful by haddin to do it consistently and the criticism of haddin in repeatedly pulling this trick is certainly a cause for concern.
with referrals i suspect it is now a dead cause, however i wonder how many batsmen have been robbed by his consistent bad faith actions.
as for his longevity, he's a more than adequate batsman, but his keeping to date has been poorly at best.
XFactor1979
22 Mar 2009, 21:14
hes not the most tidiest of keepers...
mediumsizered
22 Mar 2009, 22:41
so when he takes the ball in front of the stumps it should be called a no ball.
he does it consistently sure the umpiring fraternity should intervene...
disgraceful by haddin to do it consistently and the criticism of haddin in repeatedly pulling this trick is certainly a cause for concern.
Most definitely should be called a no ball. The failure to do so if Haddin is doing it consistently tells me that the square leg umpire is not focussing on all aspects of the rules.
I know from personal experience it can be easy to become a little bit complacent when standing at square leg, but at international level you expect 100% concentration.
red+black
23 Mar 2009, 13:34
We have made a hash of some selections lately.
The selectors should pick a #6 who is a solid batsman. If he can bowl a bit, great.
And they should pick a #7 who is a solid keeper. If he can bat a bit, great.
While I wouldn't say he's the worst keeper in the past 50 year (how quick people are to forget the illustrious Wayne Phillips days), he really does put down far too many chances.
It's not just the catches too, he drops his fair share of balls which simply are let through...
Agreed he fumbles so many regulation takes when the batsmen leave the ball its not funny. I can't believe how bad his general keeping is, his batting has hardly set the world alight either!
Paine and Wade are the future, if they both improve again next summer and hadding doesnt sure both his batting and keeping, he may fnid himself on the outer.
Agreed he fumbles so many regulation takes when the batsmen leave the ball its not funny. I can't believe how bad his general keeping is, his batting has hardly set the world alight either!
Paine and Wade are the future, if they both improve again next summer and hadding doesnt sure both his batting and keeping, he may fnid himself on the outer.
When he bats he comes across to me as a dumb cricketer.
Look at how he was dismissed last night as an example of what I mean. That sort of dismissal happens far too often for Haddin. He needs to tighten up his batting considerably.
Look at how he was dismissed last night as an example of what I mean. That sort of dismissal happens far too often for Haddin. He needs to tighten up his batting considerably.
I agree. :thumbsu:
I agree. :thumbsu:
As well as taking his bat out with him when he bats, Haddin needs to learn to take his brain as well.
He plays dumb shots far too often to get out. The side simply cannot afford that, especially given how much he could potentially contribute with the bat.
DeadlyAkkuret
23 Mar 2009, 20:48
He's certainly not the only one guilty of that.
dan warna
23 Mar 2009, 21:52
he is a good batsman.
he is, so far, a very very average keeper.
its not like he's been picked for his youth...
IMO if as a keeper he is a liability only, as good as his batting is, its not worth his dropped catches, foul play in front of stumps and the tonnage of byes he lets through.
its embarrassing.
perthbombersfan
24 Mar 2009, 00:42
i havent seen enough of paine or wade.
how do they rate next to haddin as a keeper, and how are they as batsmen?
my thoughts are that you need to weigh up their negatives as a batsman compared with how much better they are as keepers.
how does that see them?
frankrizzo
24 Mar 2009, 00:57
Haddin's test career could be over or on life support by the end of the ashes.
England is a tough tough place for good keepers to keep, he could actually cost us a test match unless he improves a lot.
Bloods boy from the Bush
24 Mar 2009, 11:48
It could be the battle of Byes in Ashes this year with Matt Prior breaking records as well. Could be that 25+ extra an innings is the norm in the series and thats like having an extra batsmen.
Offsider
24 Mar 2009, 13:01
It could be the battle of Byes in Ashes this year with Matt Prior breaking records as well. Could be that 25+ extra an innings is the norm in the series and thats like having an extra batsmen.
:thumbsu: Although I rate Haddin as a better keeper than Prior, who cannot keep his legs shut to the spinners and he has conceded almost 50 byes in match.
lionbear
24 Mar 2009, 18:07
Hopefully a reserve keeper is selected in the Ashes squad. I think putting Haddin on his toes will do one of two things.
Alow him to move aside for a younger keeper.
Or the pressure on his heals gets him to a level that doesn't conceade byes and catches willi nilli.
hbk_aus
24 Mar 2009, 20:47
Hopefully a reserve keeper is selected in the Ashes squad. I think putting Haddin on his toes will do one of two things.
Alow him to move aside for a younger keeper.
Or the pressure on his heals gets him to a level that doesn't conceade byes and catches willi nilli.
Thats the thing though - who? The person has to actually earn their spot, and at the moment there is nobody else putting their hand up with consistent runs to go with good wicketkeeping. So until that happens, we have Haddin.
robbo75
25 Mar 2009, 23:13
Thats the thing though - who? The person has to actually earn their spot, and at the moment there is nobody else putting their hand up with consistent runs to go with good wicketkeeping. So until that happens, we have Haddin.
At the moment Haddin is not really doing the job at test level. You only have too look back to when Ian Healy was selected for a tour to Pakistan....he was a young unknown in a similar situation to someone like Paine or Wade (actually played only 6 first class games). Having said that Manou would have to be in the selectors mind as well given has had a pretty good season.
hbk_aus
26 Mar 2009, 07:33
At the moment Haddin is not really doing the job at test level. You only have too look back to when Ian Healy was selected for a tour to Pakistan....he was a young unknown in a similar situation to someone like Paine or Wade (actually played only 6 first class games). Having said that Manou would have to be in the selectors mind as well given has had a pretty good season.
Times have changed since then - back then keepers were picked on glovework first, then batting. Nowadays its all about batting first, and no other keeper is making consistent runs at state level.
Thought i would give this thread a bump.
I believe's haddins keeping was world class this summer, didn't drop any chances although i think ne or two may have between him a north. Didn't let through many byes, only a couple from Johnson spraying a wide delivery.
He also took a couple of screamers noteably in the sydney test. He didn;t just drop or fumble as many takes as he had done previously. His batting is a little bit hit and miss, but he is doing enough to hold his spot in the side.
King Elvis
22 Jan 2010, 08:12
Was very good this Summer, surprisingly so!
Yeah Haddin was great this summer, although I think that the next best keeper is Manou (biased I know), Paine and Matty Wade. I have seen alot of Wade recently, but Paine is probably the best batter out of the 3, especially at opening in 20/20's.
Hellgood
22 Jan 2010, 09:24
He's sewn the test spot up now.
However it is an interesting battle for the second choice keeper with Paine, Ronchi, Wade and Manou all have done good things this year. Manou kept well in the Ashes test, but he's not as good a batsman as the others. Wade's been pretty good this year decent form with bat and gloves. Paine did a good job whilst in the ODI team with bat and gloves and has shown he can hit a ball in the big bash. Ronchi is an interesting one, a couple of years back he was right up there with Haddin and almost made his test debut in the Windies, then had a horrible 2008/09 yet still got picked to play for Australia in the T20's. This year he has been much better with some reasonably solid form with the bat, also his keeping is very solid.
So if Haddin got injured it would be an interesting call. I think they'd go for Paine however, he didn't do anything wrong when he got his opportunity.
IMO next inline in either form of the game.
Paine
Ronchi
Manou
Wade
The Falcon Strike
22 Jan 2010, 09:37
Thought i would give this thread a bump.
I believe's haddins keeping was world class this summer, didn't drop any chances although i think ne or two may have between him a north. Didn't let through many byes, only a couple from Johnson spraying a wide delivery.
He also took a couple of screamers noteably in the sydney test. He didn;t just drop or fumble as many takes as he had done previously. His batting is a little bit hit and miss, but he is doing enough to hold his spot in the side.
Have to disagree completely.
yes the screamer down legside was worldclass.
But i can remember 2 or 3 catches that went directly between 1st slip and keeper that haddin should have taken on his hip. He was caught flat footed and didn't even make an attempt. No glove on it - but definitely a chance. Also let a number of byes through again.
You have to remember that keeping on aussie pitches is about as easy as it gets - the bounce is generally true. he should be looking better back home
however the comments in this thread from early last year are still valid - his keeping is sub-par
King Elvis
22 Jan 2010, 09:51
I know he's only made his T20 debut this Summer, and has a long way to go, but what about Dunk from QLD?
Looks to have a fair bit of potential.
davey_magik
22 Jan 2010, 10:42
Can't believe he still has his hands in front of the stumps sometimes, that is basic keeping skills FFS.
He's lucky he can bat I tell you, because Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper (His keeping was very good but not in Healys class) but he is still miles ahead of Haddin.
Can't believe he still has his hands in front of the stumps sometimes, that is basic keeping skills FFS.
He's lucky he can bat I tell you, because Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper (His keeping was very good but not in Healys class) but he is still miles ahead of Haddin.
Steve Rixon reckoned that Haddin's keeping has surpassing Gilchrist's in the media several weeks ago.
Johnson#26
22 Jan 2010, 12:02
haddin is still completely overrated with the bat. cannot be relied upon to play the crunch innings, and his two tons have come on roads, iirc. i dunno. just feel he is quite overrated.
The Falcon Strike
22 Jan 2010, 12:31
Can't believe he still has his hands in front of the stumps sometimes, that is basic keeping skills FFS.
He's lucky he can bat I tell you, because Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper (His keeping was very good but not in Healys class) but he is still miles ahead of Haddin.
When Gilly started - he had a bit of trouble with warne early (1st few matches) - after that he became a terrific keeper. Whilst i agree that Healy was a better gloveman - he wasn't a different class, but a shade or two better.
Gilly's last year with the gloves started to show a decline.
Haddin isn't even close IMO
TheColeTrain
22 Jan 2010, 12:38
haddin is still completely overrated with the bat. cannot be relied upon to play the crunch innings, and his two tons have come on roads, iirc. i dunno. just feel he is quite overrated.
Agreed, I have absolutely no faith in Haddin if he comes in to bat in a tough situation, he will just throw his wicket away
Have to disagree completely.
yes the screamer down legside was worldclass.
But i can remember 2 or 3 catches that went directly between 1st slip and keeper that haddin should have taken on his hip. He was caught flat footed and didn't even make an attempt. No glove on it - but definitely a chance. Also let a number of byes through again.
You have to remember that keeping on aussie pitches is about as easy as it gets - the bounce is generally true. he should be looking better back home
however the comments in this thread from early last year are still valid - his keeping is sub-par
Well i can't say i watched every days play of the summer, i can only remember one that went between North and Haddin but there could of been more. He let threw less byes, and rarely fumbled the ball on regulation takes as he did a lot upto and including the ashes.
Ist test - 1 bye 115 overs
2nd test - 13 byes 225 overs
3rd test - 9 byes 175 overs
4th test - 17 byes 170 overs
5th test - 2 byes 135 overs
6th test - 12 byes in in 190 overs (and for memory 2 lost of 4 byes were almost un reachable from hitting the footmarks).
He did let threw a lot more than i remembered, but i didnt see a hell of a lot of cricket becuase of work. Not as good as i thought but he has at least improved, and it wouldn;t be much fun to keep to mitchell Johnson he can spray a wide one or two.
He's sewn the test spot up now.
However it is an interesting battle for the second choice keeper with Paine, Ronchi, Wade and Manou all have done good things this year. Manou kept well in the Ashes test, but he's not as good a batsman as the others. Wade's been pretty good this year decent form with bat and gloves. Paine did a good job whilst in the ODI team with bat and gloves and has shown he can hit a ball in the big bash. Ronchi is an interesting one, a couple of years back he was right up there with Haddin and almost made his test debut in the Windies, then had a horrible 2008/09 yet still got picked to play for Australia in the T20's. This year he has been much better with some reasonably solid form with the bat, also his keeping is very solid.
So if Haddin got injured it would be an interesting call. I think they'd go for Paine however, he didn't do anything wrong when he got his opportunity.
IMO next inline in either form of the game.
Paine
Ronchi
Manou
Wade
There is absolutely no way that Luke Ronchi is the next choice keeper behind Tim Paine.
He's lucky to still have a spot in the WA lineup.
Paine - Definitely next in line unless Wade goes Bradman on every bowling lineup in Australia over the next few years.
Wade/Manou - I'd say Wade because he's a better bat than Manou.
Yeah, biased me says Manou first, but if you really think about it Tim Paine is an ass kicking batter and keeper, and at 25, he has a future. Manou is past his prime, and I don't love Matty Wade.
The Falcon Strike
25 Jan 2010, 08:44
There is absolutely no way that Luke Ronchi is the next choice keeper behind Tim Paine.
2 years ago he was - then he imploded.
Paine probably the next in line for odi and t20
Fight between paine and manou for the test guernsey
Paine is head and shoulders above the rest for next choice test, ODI and T20.
Personally I'd have him in the team now.
The Reaper
25 Jan 2010, 12:21
Paine is head and shoulders above the rest for next choice test, ODI and T20.
Personally I'd have him in the team now.
It amazing that if Haddin got injured it could be possible for Australia to have three Tasmanians in the test team
The Falcon Strike
25 Jan 2010, 12:49
It amazing that if Haddin got injured it could be possible for Australia to have three Tasmanians in the test team
If you included a players origins - could be as high as 4
Hilf
Paine
Watson
Punter
peternorth
25 Jan 2010, 12:54
paine should be next in.
has there been any groundswell for smith from nsw?
Bomber Bears
25 Jan 2010, 13:29
If you included a players origins - could be as high as 4
Hilf
Paine
Watson
PunterWatson originated in Qld didnt he?
The Falcon Strike
25 Jan 2010, 13:38
Watson originated in Qld didnt he?
He may have been born there - but debuted in 1st class cricket for Tassie.
TheColeTrain
25 Jan 2010, 13:42
He was born and raised in Queensland, Tasmania just poached him when he was 20 because he couldn't get a game with Queensland
potatomasher
25 Jan 2010, 13:56
It amazing that if Haddin got injured it could be possible for Australia to have three Tasmanians in the test team
Geeves was 12th man for the Test team for one of the West Indies Tests, if I recall correctly. Would take a fair few injuries to get that again though.
The Falcon Strike
25 Jan 2010, 14:04
He was born and raised in Queensland, Tasmania just poached him when he was 20 because he couldn't get a game with Queensland
it's a strange one
I consider Macgill a NSWelshman
I consider Gilly a western australian
I consider rogers/katich a west australian
D Hussey a Victorian
M Johnson a QLDer
etc etc
For me it comes down to where they make their mark.
Wacky Tiger
25 Jan 2010, 15:03
Hilf should be in now, all forms. Fair enough Bollinger has come along and cemented his spot but McKay seriously. Is Hilf still injured???
Is Hilf still injured???
Yes. Knee tendonitis. Rest is the only real cure.
Hilf should be in now, all forms. Fair enough Bollinger has come along and cemented his spot but McKay seriously. Is Hilf still injured???
Yeah, but I'd keep him out of ODI cricket.
Radical Roo
25 Jan 2010, 22:40
i dunno wots the fuss, haddin to has done pretty well, in fact he has done brilliantly since the series vs SA in 2008, his average has pushed into the 40s.
DeadlyAkkuret
25 Jan 2010, 23:23
People seem to want change just because, there's no real logic. His keeping has improved a lot and he's doing fine for a number 7. He could probably convert more of his starts but there's been a few occasions where's he's lost his wicket when Australia is chasing a quick declaration.